History Literature / SecondApocalypse

11th Feb '16 9:28:51 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* UnreliableNarrator: "The Four Revelations of Cinialíjin" is told from the perspective on an insane Erratic who has lost the ability to tell the present from the past. His memories bubble up into his perceptions in a stream-of-consciousness style.
10th Feb '16 9:02:22 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* FunctionalMagic: In general, there are three types of sorcery: The logic-based Gnostic, Anagogis which uses creative metaphors to implement sorcery and the intuitive Psûkhe of the Cishaurim.
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* FunctionalMagic: In general, there are three types of sorcery: The logic-based Gnostic, Gnosis, Anagogis which uses creative metaphors to implement sorcery and the intuitive Psûkhe of the Cishaurim.
10th Feb '16 8:53:46 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** "WHAT DO YOU SEE?"
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** "WHAT DO YOU SEE?""What do you see?" Most notably said by the No-God.

** Cnauir: "I am Cnauir urs Skiötha, breaker of horses and men!"
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** Cnauir: "I am Cnauir urs Skiötha, breaker of horses and men!"breaker-of-horses-and-men!" ** Conphas: "War is intellect."

* ChurchMilitant: The Shrial Knights.
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* ChurchMilitant: The Shrial Knights.Knights are the elite troops of the Inrithi religion, answering directly to the Shriah.

* DarkFantasy
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* DarkFantasyDarkFantasy: This is an extremely dark, brutal and cynical fantasy series.

* FromNobodyToNightmare: Kellhus was just a wandering man of no importance before seizing control of the Holy War and quickly achieving ming-boggling power.
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: Kellhus was just a wandering man of no importance before seizing control of the Holy War and quickly achieving ming-boggling mind-boggling power.

* FromNobodyToNightmare: Kellhus was just ** Conphas, a wandering man of no importance before seizing control of warrior prince, is said to have the Holy War appearance of a god and quickly achieving ming-boggling power. is also a strategic genius who states that "war is intellect."

* HeroicWillpower
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* HeroicWillpowerHeroicWillpower: Dunyain training instills this.

* InformedAttractiveness: We're told that Serwë is flawlessly beautiful. Esmenet is also said to be beautiful, though not as perfect as Serwë.
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* InformedAttractiveness: We're told that Serwë is flawlessly beautiful. Esmenet is also said to be beautiful, though not as perfect as Serwë. On the male side, Conphas is frequently said to have a "godlike" appearance.

* InstantExpert: Yep, Kellhus yet again.
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* InstantExpert: Yep, Kellhus yet again.and any other Dunyain quickly master anything they learn.

* {{Omniglot}}: Dûnyain need only a few days of observing a language to become completely fluent. * OneManArmy: Gnostic sorcerers. Kellhus, Cnaiür, and especially Cleric take this trope UpToEleven.
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* {{Omniglot}}: Dûnyain need only a few days of observing a language to become completely fluent. \n Kellhus will frequently switch to a person's native language to raise the impact of his words, or simply to speak privately in mixed company. * OneManArmy: Gnostic sorcerers. Kellhus, Cnaiür, and especially Cleric take this trope UpToEleven.are all forces to be reckoned with.

** ''The Darkness that Comes Before'': When Kellhus explains the basics of the Logos to Cnaiür: ---> "How could you ''be'' anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before?"
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** ''The Darkness that Comes Before'': When This phrase comes up several times when Kellhus explains describes the basics of Logos. It is all the Logos to Cnaiür: ---> "How could you ''be'' anything other than involuntary forces outside of oneself that drive one's actions. Only a "self-moving soul" can avoid becoming a slave to the darkness that comes before?"before action.
10th Feb '16 8:39:32 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Xerius has a personal torturer who applies his trade with eerie boredom.

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** Skin-spies are largely immune to pain and extremely difficult to torture, but there are small parts of their brain that can be exploited.
10th Feb '16 4:36:01 AM Derkhan
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Changed the spellings of names to those used in the books to make them more uniform, hope I got them all.
* AfterTheEnd: The series takes place nearly two thousand years after a catastrophic conflict that destroyed the entire northern civilization of Earwa and resulted in all new births being born stillborn for eleven years.
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* AfterTheEnd: The series takes place nearly two thousand years after a catastrophic conflict that destroyed the entire northern civilization of Earwa Ešrwa and resulted in all new births being born stillborn for eleven years.

* ArmoredClosetGay: [[spoiler:The source of all of Cnaiur's shame is being seduced by Moenghus into killing his father. He's entirely unable to handle the fact that he loves/loved Moenghus. He is attracted to women as well, however, so he's apparently somewhere toward the middle of the Kinsey scale]].
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* ArmoredClosetGay: [[spoiler:The source of all of Cnaiur's CnaiŁr's shame is being seduced by Moenghus MoŽnghus into killing his father. He's entirely unable to handle the fact that he loves/loved Moenghus.MoŽnghus. He is attracted to women as well, however, so he's apparently somewhere toward the middle of the Kinsey scale]].

* AwesomenessByAnalysis: Kellhus and all the Dunyain are masters at this. * AxCrazy: Cnaiur and the entire Sranc species (who are bred to be murderer-rapists).
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* AwesomenessByAnalysis: Kellhus and all the Dunyain DŻnyain are masters at this. * AxCrazy: Cnaiur CnaiŁr and the entire Sranc species (who are bred to be murderer-rapists).

** Cnaiür, but only when he's in one of his [[{{Unstoppable Rage}} violent moods]]. "I am Cnaiur urs Skiötha, breaker-of-horses-and-men!", "I am Cnaiür urs Skiötha, most violent of all men! I bear your fathers and brothers upon my arms!", or more straightforward, "''Who will murder me?!''"
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** Cnaiür, but only when he's in one of his [[{{Unstoppable Rage}} violent moods]]. "I am Cnaiur CnaiŁr urs Skiötha, breaker-of-horses-and-men!", "I am Cnaiür urs Skiötha, most violent of all men! I bear your fathers and brothers upon my arms!", or more straightforward, "''Who will murder me?!''"

** House Anasurimbor in the Aspect-Emperor series.
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** House Anasurimbor AnasŻrimbor in the Aspect-Emperor series.

** Cnauir: "I am Cnauir urs Skiotha, breaker of horses and men!"
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** Cnauir: "I am Cnauir urs Skiotha, SkiŲtha, breaker of horses and men!"

** Kellhus. He never, ever tells anyone to do his bidding "because I want to". Kellhus can find out everyone's innermost desire or motivation, and then appeal to that. Cnaiur scarily describes Kellhus' and his father's powers of manipulation by shouting "They make us love!". ** Moenghus: [[spoiler:The entire Holy War, from beginning to end, is his plan. He was the hidden leader of the heathens, his son Maithanet was the equivalent of Pope and launched the Holy war, and his other son Kellhus took control of this crusade, setting himself up as a Jesus figure. All to unite the Three Seas against the threat of the No-God.]]
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** Kellhus. He never, ever tells anyone to do his bidding "because I want to". Kellhus can find out everyone's innermost desire or motivation, and then appeal to that. Cnaiur CnaiŁr scarily describes Kellhus' and his father's powers of manipulation by shouting "They make us love!". ** Moenghus: MoŽnghus: [[spoiler:The entire Holy War, from beginning to end, is his plan. He was the hidden leader of the heathens, his son Maithanet was the equivalent of Pope and launched the Holy war, and his other son Kellhus took control of this crusade, setting himself up as a Jesus figure. All to unite the Three Seas against the threat of the No-God.]]

** Cnaiur tortures Kellhus while having him captive. Kellhus screams, begs for mercy and defecates himself, but Cnaiur is not fooled by the act.
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** Cnaiur CnaiŁr tortures Kellhus while having him captive. Kellhus screams, begs for mercy and defecates himself, but Cnaiur CnaiŁr is not fooled by the act.

* CrystalDragonJesus: Inri Sejanus. Bakker almost certainly derived his surname from the abbreviated form of ''Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum'' (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews).
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* CrystalDragonJesus: Inri Sejanus.Sejenus. Bakker almost certainly derived his surname from the abbreviated form of ''Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum'' (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews).

* DepravedBisexual: All the Inchoroi. Averted with [[spoiler:Cnaiur. Moenghus did not seduce him because he was insane, he gradually went insane because Moenghus seduced him. Essentially, the experience of being manipulated into murdering his father by Moenghus, as well as his culture's extreme hatred for homosexuality, produced such stress in Cnaiur that he became a violent lunatic.]]
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* DepravedBisexual: All the Inchoroi. Averted with [[spoiler:Cnaiur. Moenghus [[spoiler:CnaiŁr. MoŽnghus did not seduce him because he was insane, he gradually went insane because Moenghus MoŽnghus seduced him. Essentially, the experience of being manipulated into murdering his father by Moenghus, MoŽnghus, as well as his culture's extreme hatred for homosexuality, produced such stress in Cnaiur CnaiŁr that he became a violent lunatic.]]

* DreamIntro: ''The Darkness that Comes Before'' starts with a DistantPrologue describing the first Apocalypse several thousand years ago. Then it {{Time Skip}}s to the present day, and begins with a DreamSequence in which Anasurimbor Moenghus [[TalkingInYourDreams contacts the Dunyain monks in their dreams]] to tell them to send his son Kellhus to him, which kicks off the plot of the entire series. * DyingRace: The Nonmen are a single-gender race, while the Inchoroi have not seemed to reproduce since landing on Earwa for unknown reasons.
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* DreamIntro: ''The Darkness that Comes Before'' starts with a DistantPrologue describing the first Apocalypse several thousand years ago. Then it {{Time Skip}}s to the present day, and begins with a DreamSequence in which Anasurimbor Moenghus AnasŻrimbor MoŽnghus [[TalkingInYourDreams contacts the Dunyain DŻnyain monks in their dreams]] to tell them to send his son Kellhus to him, which kicks off the plot of the entire series. * DyingRace: The Nonmen are a single-gender race, while the Inchoroi have not seemed to reproduce since landing on Earwa Ešrwa for unknown reasons.

* TheExile: Moenghus was exiled from the Dûnyain for being too contaminated by the external world to return.
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* TheExile: Moenghus MoŽnghus was exiled from the Dûnyain for being too contaminated by the external world to return.

* FlawExploitation: What Kellhus and his father Moenghus do to everyone.
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* FlawExploitation: What Kellhus and his father Moenghus MoŽnghus do to everyone.

* {{Foreshadowing}}: Conphas is surprised that the aged Shaeos has "the endurance of a monkey" when climbing the vast staircase of the Andiamine Heights. This foreshadows [[spoiler:the revelation that Skaeos is a skin-spy]].
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Conphas is surprised that the aged Shaeos SkeaŲs has "the endurance of a monkey" when climbing the vast staircase of the Andiamine Heights. This foreshadows [[spoiler:the revelation that Skaeos SkeaŲs is a skin-spy]].

** Cnaiur is "most violent of men" and the most feared warrior in the Scylvendi, the People of War. Kellhus himself also notes that Cnaiur is very intelligent.
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** Cnaiur CnaiŁr is "most violent of men" and the most feared warrior in the Scylvendi, the People of War. Kellhus himself also notes that Cnaiur CnaiŁr is very intelligent.

** Cnaiur is often described as having intensely blue eyes. At one point they're even described as turquoise. They make his insanity all the more apparent.
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** Cnaiur CnaiŁr is often described as having intensely blue eyes. At one point they're even described as turquoise. They make his insanity all the more apparent.

* {{Irony}}: Moenghus did everything Kellhus did, [[spoiler:setting himself up as the prophet to the Fanim instead of the Inrithi,]] only to discover too late that [[spoiler:the Psukhe is powered by the passion and emotions of the sorcerer, things which the Dunyain almost completely lack due to their conditioning. As a result, Moenghus is practically rejected from the Cishaurim, blind and able to cast only the simplest spells.]]
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* {{Irony}}: Moenghus MoŽnghus did everything Kellhus did, [[spoiler:setting himself up as the prophet to the Fanim instead of the Inrithi,]] only to discover too late that [[spoiler:the Psukhe PsŻkhe is powered by the passion and emotions of the sorcerer, things which the Dunyain DŻnyain almost completely lack due to their conditioning. As a result, Moenghus MoŽnghus is practically rejected from the Cishaurim, blind and able to cast only the simplest spells.]]

* LivingLieDetector: Dunyain can practically read a person's mind by looking at their expression, so detecting lies is pretty simple stuff. They do have to be able to see your face, though.
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* LivingLieDetector: Dunyain DŻnyain can practically read a person's mind by looking at their expression, so detecting lies is pretty simple stuff. They do have to be able to see your face, though.

** Kellhus, Serwe and Cnaiur. ** Kellhus, Serwe and Esmenet. This one is amicable, however, as Serwe freely offers to share Kellhus. * MadLove: Cnaiur has this for his captive Serwë, who hates him. He believes that Rape Is Love. * MadeOfIron: It's implied that the Dunyain bloodline tends to have very strong bone structure. [[spoiler:Maithanet crushes Inrilatas's face in with a punch, then turns to Kelmomas and asks if he, too, has "his mother's bones."]]
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** Kellhus, Serwe SerwŽ and Cnaiur. CnaiŁr. ** Kellhus, Serwe SerwŽ and Esmenet. This one is amicable, however, as Serwe SerwŽ freely offers to share Kellhus. * MadLove: Cnaiur CnaiŁr has this for his captive Serwë, who hates him. He believes that Rape Is Love. * MadeOfIron: It's implied that the Dunyain DŻnyain bloodline tends to have very strong bone structure. [[spoiler:Maithanet crushes Inrilatas's face in with a punch, then turns to Kelmomas and asks if he, too, has "his mother's bones."]]

* TheManBehindTheMan: The Cishaurim, sorcerer-priests of a heretical religion, are the target of the Holy War. They are in fact a front for [[spoiler:Anasurimbor Moenghus, who is the true mastermind behind the Holy War.]] * ManipulativeBastard: All Dunyain manipulate the people around them to get what they need. * MasterActor: Pure Dunyain have complete control over themselves and an intimate understanding of what people need to see and hear to provoke the desired reaction, so they are terrific actors. Kellhus is a perfect actor, and Kelmomas has hidden his true nature from everyone. * MasterOfYourDomain: Kellhus and all other Dunyain.
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* TheManBehindTheMan: The Cishaurim, sorcerer-priests of a heretical religion, are the target of the Holy War. They are in fact a front for [[spoiler:Anasurimbor Moenghus, [[spoiler:AnasŻrimbor MoŽnghus, who is the true mastermind behind the Holy War.]] * ManipulativeBastard: All Dunyain DŻnyain manipulate the people around them to get what they need. * MasterActor: Pure Dunyain DŻnyain have complete control over themselves and an intimate understanding of what people need to see and hear to provoke the desired reaction, so they are terrific actors. Kellhus is a perfect actor, and Kelmomas has hidden his true nature from everyone. * MasterOfYourDomain: Kellhus and all other Dunyain.DŻnyain.

* {{Omniglot}}: Dunyain need only a few days of observing a language to become completely fluent. * OneManArmy: Gnostic sorcerers. Kellhus, Cnaiur, and especially Cleric take this trope UpToEleven. * TheOrder: The sorcerous Schools of Earwa.
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* {{Omniglot}}: Dunyain DŻnyain need only a few days of observing a language to become completely fluent. * OneManArmy: Gnostic sorcerers. Kellhus, Cnaiur, CnaiŁr, and especially Cleric take this trope UpToEleven. * TheOrder: The sorcerous Schools of Earwa.Ešrwa.

** Although not "villains" per se, the Dunyain are unknown to everyone when Kellhus gets dropped into the middle of the Holy War and soon takes control of it. Neither the "heroes" nor the "villains" have any idea who or what they are or how to react to them.
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** Although not "villains" per se, the Dunyain DŻnyain are unknown to everyone when Kellhus gets dropped into the middle of the Holy War and soon takes control of it. Neither the "heroes" nor the "villains" have any idea who or what they are or how to react to them.

* SanitySlippage: Cnaiur goes increasingly mad in the third volume.
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* SanitySlippage: Cnaiur CnaiŁr goes increasingly mad in the third volume.

* ShootTheShaggyDog: In The Aspect-Emperor, [[spoiler:Akka spends the first two books throwing away everything he's built in the past twenty years, along with the lives of the Skin Eaters, to find the Coffers which he hopes will lead him to Ishual and the truth about Kellhus and the Dunyain. And when he gets to Ishual, only he and Mimara surviving, both of them addicted to Qirri, stuck in the middle of nowhere... they discover that it's already been destroyed by an unknown force.]]
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* ShootTheShaggyDog: In The Aspect-Emperor, [[spoiler:Akka spends the first two books throwing away everything he's built in the past twenty years, along with the lives of the Skin Eaters, to find the Coffers which he hopes will lead him to Ishual and the truth about Kellhus and the Dunyain.DŻnyain. And when he gets to Ishual, only he and Mimara surviving, both of them addicted to Qirri, stuck in the middle of nowhere... they discover that it's already been destroyed by an unknown force.]]

* SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic: The series plays with this trope, using the absurdly-intelligent Dunyain as a vehicle. ** Subversion: [[spoiler:Moenghus]] attempts to exploit SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic but ends up subverting it when he blinds himself as a necessary first step in learning the Psukhe, the magic of the Cishaurim, only to discover that the Psukhe relies almost entirely on intuition and emotion --things the [[AwesomenessByAnalysis hyper-analytical]] Dunyain are practically incapable of, which means not only is he still virtually powerless, he's also blind. Of course, since he ''is'' [[ImpossibleGenius Dunyain]], even losing his eyesight really just [[BroughtDownToBadass Brought Him Down To Badass]].
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* SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic: The series plays with this trope, using the absurdly-intelligent Dunyain DŻnyain as a vehicle. ** Subversion: [[spoiler:Moenghus]] [[spoiler:MoŽnghus]] attempts to exploit SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic but ends up subverting it when he blinds himself as a necessary first step in learning the Psukhe, PsŻkhe, the magic of the Cishaurim, only to discover that the Psukhe PsŻkhe relies almost entirely on intuition and emotion --things the [[AwesomenessByAnalysis hyper-analytical]] Dunyain DŻnyain are practically incapable of, which means not only is he still virtually powerless, he's also blind. Of course, since he ''is'' [[ImpossibleGenius Dunyain]], DŻnyain]], even losing his eyesight really just [[BroughtDownToBadass Brought Him Down To Badass]].

* TookALevelInBadass: Kellhus begins the series barely able to walk through a forest due to the sensory overload, and needs to be rescued. Using his innate Dunyain talents, however, he quickly gains seemingly impossible levels of power. * TooKinkyToTorture: The skin-spies cannot be tortured by regular means due to their warped perceptions of pain and pleasure. However, Moenghus learns of neuropressure points that can cause them extreme pain, allowing him and later Kellhus to torture them.
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* TookALevelInBadass: Kellhus begins the series barely able to walk through a forest due to the sensory overload, and needs to be rescued. Using his innate Dunyain DŻnyain talents, however, he quickly gains seemingly impossible levels of power. * TooKinkyToTorture: The skin-spies cannot be tortured by regular means due to their warped perceptions of pain and pleasure. However, Moenghus MoŽnghus learns of neuropressure points that can cause them extreme pain, allowing him and later Kellhus to torture them.

* {{Ubermensch}}: Kellhus, Moenghus and all the Dûnyain.
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* {{Ubermensch}}: Kellhus, Moenghus MoŽnghus and all the Dûnyain.

* XanatosSpeedChess: Dunyain are masters of this with their ability to analyze and recalculate their plans on the fly as new situations arise.
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* XanatosSpeedChess: Dunyain DŻnyain are masters of this with their ability to analyze and recalculate their plans on the fly as new situations arise.
29th Jan '16 8:29:45 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ColdBloodedTorture: ** Cnaiur tortures Kellhus while having him captive. Kellhus screams, begs for mercy and defecates himself, but Cnaiur is not fooled by the act. ** The Inchoroi invert the trope, using intense pleasure (and denial of it) to extract information.

* DyingRace: The Nonmen and the Inchoroi.
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* DyingRace: The Nonmen and are a single-gender race, while the Inchoroi.Inchoroi have not seemed to reproduce since landing on Earwa for unknown reasons.
29th Jan '16 8:25:19 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* AfterTheEnd: The series takes place nearly two thousand years after a catastrophic conflict that [[spoiler:destroyed the entire northern civilization of Earwa and resulted in all new births being born stillborn for eleven years]].
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* AfterTheEnd: The series takes place nearly two thousand years after a catastrophic conflict that [[spoiler:destroyed destroyed the entire northern civilization of Earwa and resulted in all new births being born stillborn for eleven years]].years.
29th Jan '16 8:14:33 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* GeniusBruiser: Kellhus has the tall and athletic build of a warrior, but he's also the most brilliant mind yet seen in the series.
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* GeniusBruiser: GeniusBruiser: ** Kellhus has the tall and athletic build of a warrior, but he's also the most brilliant mind yet seen in the series.series. ** Cnaiur is "most violent of men" and the most feared warrior in the Scylvendi, the People of War. Kellhus himself also notes that Cnaiur is very intelligent.
25th Jan '16 12:10:48 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* SmartPeoplePlayChess: Achamian and Xin play a complicated strategy game where the rules change after every move, much like life.
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* SmartPeoplePlayChess: Zig-zagged. Achamian and Xin are both very intelligent and play a complicated strategy board game where the called benjuka. The rules change after every move, much like life.life, creating a game of baffling complexity and poetic subtlety. In contrast to games with fixed rules, it cannot be intellectually mastered. It is said to challenge one's spirit rather than intellect. As such, Achamian usually loses because he cannot force a victory through sheer cunning.
22nd Jan '16 11:20:51 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Conphas is surprised that the aged Shaeos has "the endurance of a monkey" when climbing the vast staircase of the Andiamine Heights. This foreshadows [[spoiler:the revelation that Skaeos is a skin-spy]].
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