History Literature / Safehold

24th Sep '17 3:43:30 PM valar55
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When a spacefaring humanity discovered evidence that a hostile alien race was likely to try and annihilate them, they spent the next ten years preparing for the inevitable war.

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When a spacefaring humanity discovered evidence that a hostile alien race known as the Gbaba was likely to try and annihilate them, they spent the next ten years preparing for the inevitable war.
22nd Sep '17 7:45:40 PM nombretomado
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** The best example is Nimue, already a name from ArthurianLegend, going by Merlin and naming Cayleb's sword Excalibur. The names of almost every ''seijin'' are Welsh. Not even necessarily Welsh names, either.

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** The best example is Nimue, already a name from ArthurianLegend, Myth/ArthurianLegend, going by Merlin and naming Cayleb's sword Excalibur. The names of almost every ''seijin'' are Welsh. Not even necessarily Welsh names, either.
16th May '17 11:21:38 AM PaddyMurphy
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[[caption-width-right:300:[[CoversAlwaysLie This]] scene [[SubvertedTrope actually happened]] in the book.]]%%Please don't remove this caption. The reason someone would assume this didn't happen in the book is right there in the pothole: CoversAlwaysLie
7th May '17 3:03:40 PM Bissek
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* NavalBlockade: Both sides try this against each other. The Church tries to do it through politics, which falters because too many ports are dependent on the Charis trade for survival. Charis simply sinks or captures every ship flagged to a nation working for the Church that they can find, and since they have a bigger navy than the rest of the world combined, they manage to make this work.
5th Apr '17 2:25:40 PM Bissek
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* WhamLine: "That's why I'm speaking to ''you'' about it... [[spoiler:Ahbraim." Aivah to Merlin, book seven.]]
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The fraudulent Earl of Hanth, who had a major storyline in ''Off Armageddon Reef'', and was last seen heading to Zion in ''By Schism Rent Asunder'' in order to be "the only legitimate Charisian noble to declare for the Church" has vanished completely. No mention of a ship sinking, of being killed simply for being a Charisian, or of making it there either to be tortured by the Inquisition, or to actually be part of their plans. We don't even know if they just ignored him or not.

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* WhamLine: "That's why I'm speaking to ''you'' about it... [[spoiler:Ahbraim." Aivah to Merlin, '''Merlin''', book seven.]]
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: WhatHappenedToTheMouse:
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The fraudulent Earl of Hanth, who had a major storyline in ''Off Armageddon Reef'', and was last seen heading to Zion in ''By Schism Rent Asunder'' in order to be "the only legitimate Charisian noble to declare for the Church" has vanished completely. No mention of a ship sinking, of being killed simply for being a Charisian, or of making it there either to be tortured by the Inquisition, or to actually be part of their plans. We don't even know if they just ignored him or not.not.
** Grand Vicar Erek is apparently such a nonentity in Church politics that when [[spoiler:Duchairn]] launched a coup and took control of the Church, the book doesn't even bother mentioning what happened to its previous nominal head.
16th Mar '17 11:01:59 AM Discar
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[[caption-width-right:300:[[CoversAlwaysLie This]] scene [[SubvertedTrope actually happened]] in the book.]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:[[CoversAlwaysLie This]] scene [[SubvertedTrope actually happened]] in the book.]]
14th Feb '17 8:23:10 AM Berrenta
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* NoExceptYes: After [[spoiler:Duchairn overthrows Clyntahn]], the Grand Vicar refuses to abolish the Punishment of Schueler, as it is explicitly mentioned in the Writ. However, to prevent the abuses that took place in the war, where one man could unilaterally subject people to the Punishment on his own authority without any hope of appeal, he sets up rules that have to be followed in order to sentence someone to the Punishment, which are so stringent that it's unlikely that the Punishment will ever be used again.
28th Jan '17 9:18:29 AM sgamer82
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* ShoutOut:
** Nimue's alternate identity of Merlin. She also eventually gives Cayleb a sword and names it Excalibur. Justified because her father was Welsh, which explains her own name. Weber also likes to use Safehold's naming conventions to slip in references.
** Merlin makes several deliberate shout outs to historical events, reasoning that since he's the only one who knows the true history of Earth he might as well "crib all of the best lines." Most notable is during ''Off Armageddon Reef'' when he suggests that Prince Cayleb flies the message "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_expects Charis expects that every man will do his duty.]]"
** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though Oliver Wyman gives it to him regardless in the audio books he narrates.
** In ''A Mighty Fortress'', Lock Island says "It's time we were about it", a reference to Literature/HonorHarrington's catchphrase.
** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smoltz Zhan Smolth, the star pitcher on the Tellesberg Kraken's]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Furcal Rafayl Furkal, the Kraken's leadoff hitter]] in ''Off Armageddon Reef'', both of whom are named after Atlanta Braves stars of the late nineties and early naughties. Considering that Weber lives in South Carolina, it's not unlikely that he's a fan.
** Brigadier Kynt Clareyk ([[{{Superman}} Kent Clark]]), and his second in command is named Layn (Lane)
** Gahvyn Mahrtyn, Baron Whiteford, has a valet named [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeves Zheevys]].
** Keeper of the Seal of the Kingdom of Charis, Baron White Church, [[Creator/PeterSellers Paityr Sellyrs]].
** From ''By Heresies Distressed'' we have a Chisholmian delegate to the committee to set up the Imperial Parliament: Sir [[Series/TheAvengers Paitryk Mahknee]]
** Several of the various fiefs are shout outs as well: the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Grey_tea Earldom of Gray]] Harbor, the Barony of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Castle_%28restaurant%29 White Castle]], the Barony of [[http://www.greenmountaincoffee.com Green Mountain]], the Duchy of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Holbrook Halbrook Hollow]]
** Corisandan resistance member Paitryk Hainree (Patrick Henry).
** The titles of the fourth and fifth books (''[[http://youtu.be/Snj9yR5Ae_k A Mighty Fortress]]'' and ''[[http://youtu.be/OTqRiP2w0_8 How Firm a Foundation]]'') are also the titles of Protestant hymns.
** The titles of the second, third, and sixth books (''By Schism Rent Asunder'', ''By Heresies Distressed'', and ''Midst Toil and Tribulation'') are from the lyrics to the hymn [[http://youtu.be/t1GQVX4J8d4 "The Church's One Foundation"]] by Samuel J. Stone.
** ''Like a Mighty Army'' gets its title from [[http://youtu.be/mG78M7g9wRo "Onward Christian Soldiers"]].
** Bishop Maikel Staynair's words declaring the schism with the Church of God Awaiting by the newly founded Church of Charis: "Here we will stand, for we can do no other..." are a shout-out to Martin Luther's famous statement at the Diet of Worms: "Here I stand; I can do no other." This phrase is quoted a number of times, usually credited to Cayleb.
** There's a ''Series/BabylonFive'' reference in ''How Firm a Foundation'': "There're good men enough standing behind me. And ''you're'' standing in ''front'' of me. If you want to survive this night, Colonel, be somewhere else. Now."
** Matches are called Shan-wei's candles. In real life an early brand of matches were called Lucifer matches.
28th Jan '17 8:58:53 AM sgamer82
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** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though.

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** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though.though Oliver Wyman gives it to him regardless in the audio books he narrates.
28th Jan '17 8:56:54 AM sgamer82
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** One of Clyntahn's senior inquisitors is named [[{{Series/Supernatural}} Wynchystair]]
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