History Literature / Safehold

16th Mar '17 11:01:59 AM Discar
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[[caption-width-right:300:[[CoversAlwaysLie This]] scene [[SubvertedTrope actually happened]] in the book.]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:[[CoversAlwaysLie This]] scene [[SubvertedTrope actually happened]] in the book.]]
14th Feb '17 8:23:10 AM Berrenta
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* NoExceptYes: After [[spoiler:Duchairn overthrows Clyntahn]], the Grand Vicar refuses to abolish the Punishment of Schueler, as it is explicitly mentioned in the Writ. However, to prevent the abuses that took place in the war, where one man could unilaterally subject people to the Punishment on his own authority without any hope of appeal, he sets up rules that have to be followed in order to sentence someone to the Punishment, which are so stringent that it's unlikely that the Punishment will ever be used again.
28th Jan '17 9:18:29 AM sgamer82
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* ShoutOut:
** Nimue's alternate identity of Merlin. She also eventually gives Cayleb a sword and names it Excalibur. Justified because her father was Welsh, which explains her own name. Weber also likes to use Safehold's naming conventions to slip in references.
** Merlin makes several deliberate shout outs to historical events, reasoning that since he's the only one who knows the true history of Earth he might as well "crib all of the best lines." Most notable is during ''Off Armageddon Reef'' when he suggests that Prince Cayleb flies the message "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_expects Charis expects that every man will do his duty.]]"
** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though Oliver Wyman gives it to him regardless in the audio books he narrates.
** In ''A Mighty Fortress'', Lock Island says "It's time we were about it", a reference to Literature/HonorHarrington's catchphrase.
** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smoltz Zhan Smolth, the star pitcher on the Tellesberg Kraken's]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Furcal Rafayl Furkal, the Kraken's leadoff hitter]] in ''Off Armageddon Reef'', both of whom are named after Atlanta Braves stars of the late nineties and early naughties. Considering that Weber lives in South Carolina, it's not unlikely that he's a fan.
** Brigadier Kynt Clareyk ([[{{Superman}} Kent Clark]]), and his second in command is named Layn (Lane)
** Gahvyn Mahrtyn, Baron Whiteford, has a valet named [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeves Zheevys]].
** Keeper of the Seal of the Kingdom of Charis, Baron White Church, [[Creator/PeterSellers Paityr Sellyrs]].
** From ''By Heresies Distressed'' we have a Chisholmian delegate to the committee to set up the Imperial Parliament: Sir [[Series/TheAvengers Paitryk Mahknee]]
** Several of the various fiefs are shout outs as well: the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Grey_tea Earldom of Gray]] Harbor, the Barony of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Castle_%28restaurant%29 White Castle]], the Barony of [[http://www.greenmountaincoffee.com Green Mountain]], the Duchy of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Holbrook Halbrook Hollow]]
** Corisandan resistance member Paitryk Hainree (Patrick Henry).
** The titles of the fourth and fifth books (''[[http://youtu.be/Snj9yR5Ae_k A Mighty Fortress]]'' and ''[[http://youtu.be/OTqRiP2w0_8 How Firm a Foundation]]'') are also the titles of Protestant hymns.
** The titles of the second, third, and sixth books (''By Schism Rent Asunder'', ''By Heresies Distressed'', and ''Midst Toil and Tribulation'') are from the lyrics to the hymn [[http://youtu.be/t1GQVX4J8d4 "The Church's One Foundation"]] by Samuel J. Stone.
** ''Like a Mighty Army'' gets its title from [[http://youtu.be/mG78M7g9wRo "Onward Christian Soldiers"]].
** Bishop Maikel Staynair's words declaring the schism with the Church of God Awaiting by the newly founded Church of Charis: "Here we will stand, for we can do no other..." are a shout-out to Martin Luther's famous statement at the Diet of Worms: "Here I stand; I can do no other." This phrase is quoted a number of times, usually credited to Cayleb.
** There's a ''Series/BabylonFive'' reference in ''How Firm a Foundation'': "There're good men enough standing behind me. And ''you're'' standing in ''front'' of me. If you want to survive this night, Colonel, be somewhere else. Now."
** Matches are called Shan-wei's candles. In real life an early brand of matches were called Lucifer matches.
28th Jan '17 8:58:53 AM sgamer82
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** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though.

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** [[Film/{{Psycho}} Nahrmahn Baytz]] is the prince of the [[{{Oireland}} Emerald Island]]. Judging from the text, he doesn't have [[FunetikAksent the accent]], though.though Oliver Wyman gives it to him regardless in the audio books he narrates.
28th Jan '17 8:56:54 AM sgamer82
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** One of Clyntahn's senior inquisitors is named [[{{Series/Supernatural}} Wynchystair]]
27th Jan '17 9:23:06 PM Graywand2
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**One of Clyntahn's senior inquisitors is named [[{{Series/Supernatural}} Wynchystair]]
19th Jan '17 3:03:51 PM Ramidel
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* TheChurch: The Church of God Awaiting is, at first, the one church of Safehold. The Church of Charis splits off from it as the war changes from allegedly secular {{realpolitik}} to a holy war. [[spoiler: After the war ends, the Church of Siddarmark forms from Siddarmarkians who reject both the Church of Charis' innovations and the authority of the Temple in Zion, and there are signs of a Church of Harchong forming, as the North Harchongian aristocracy and the local clergy reject Grand Vicar Duchairn's reforms.]]


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* TheRemnant: [[spoiler: After ''At the Sign of Triumph'', North Harchong is developing into this, as the last bastion of the Clyntahn-era Church, where serfdom remains the rule and innovation is distrusted.]]


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* YouCantGoHomeAgain: [[spoiler: After book nine, the Mighty Host of God and the Archangels are effectively exiled from their homes in Harchong, because Harchong's northern aristocrats don't want to see their former serfs returning home as trained line infantry with an egalitarian junior officer corps.]]
17th Jan '17 1:10:18 PM Ramidel
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* HandicappedBadass: Clyftyn Rahdgyrz has, by the ninth book, lost one leg, one hand and one eye. He is still actively commanding in the field and fighting in the thick of it with the best of them.
17th Jan '17 1:03:56 PM Ramidel
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** The Earl of Thirsk is consistently said by the Charsian characters to be the single most dangerous commander the enemy has. He proves them correct, too.
** More importantly, the only reason they don't have him assassinated is because he actually tries to treat his prisoners of war honorably.

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** The Earl of Thirsk is consistently said by the Charsian characters to be the single most dangerous commander the enemy has. He proves them correct, too.
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too. More importantly, the only reason they don't have him assassinated is because he actually tries to treat his prisoners of war honorably.honorably.
** The whole Dohlaran military gets this from Charis, to the extent that a Charisian soldier who would gladly kill a helpless Army of God soldier spares a Dohlaran who he's knocked out on-mission, because of the sense that the Dohlarans don't deserve to be paying the brutal butcher's bill that Charisian firepower is exacting from the Temple Loyalists.
12th Jan '17 5:56:22 PM sgamer82
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Wyllym Rayno rigged the election for Grand Inquisitor so Zhaspahr Clyntahn would win. He spent the next few decades in a living hell having to work for him as his direct subordinate under his uncontrollable fits or zealous rage.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: Wyllym Rayno rigged the election for Grand Inquisitor so Zhaspahr Clyntahn would win. He spent What he ultimately gets in returned is [[spoiler:stabbed in the next few decades in a living hell having to work for him as his direct subordinate under his uncontrollable fits or zealous rage.back by Clyntahn himself]].
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