History Literature / Redwall

16th Jun '16 1:06:50 AM Delphi
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** The feast scenes in the first couple of books occasionally mention corn and tomatoes. In future books, only Old World produce is available.
8th May '16 11:09:40 AM theLibrarian
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** Rusvul Reguba gets one in ''Marlfox'', from his best friend Janglur Swifteye. It's a very well-deserved one as well, because just before it Rusvul had screamed at his own son, who wants nothing more than to please him, over something that Dann had no control over and couldn't have even stopped. Rusvul even went so far as to say that ''it would have been better that he'd died'' than have to come back into the abbey and see Dann having been knocked unconscious by vermin. Janglur's speech actually makes Rusvul apologetic, but it takes Dann running off without telling anyone and being gone for weeks, for Rusvul to be able to apologize to him.
27th Apr '16 7:34:23 PM Quanyails
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* UnstoppableRage: Again, the Bloodwrath.

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* UnstoppableRage: Again, the The Bloodwrath.



* VillainousBreakdown: Several examples. Gabool the Wild in ''Mariel of Redwall'' does it most obviously and impressively. He goes from being evil but reasonably lucid to a gibbering insomniac who can't tell his followers from his sworn enemies and starts to believe that a plundered bell understands what he's saying and rings itself to mock him.

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* VillainousBreakdown: Several examples. examples.
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Gabool the Wild in ''Mariel of Redwall'' does it most obviously and impressively. He goes from being evil but reasonably lucid to a gibbering insomniac who can't tell his followers from his sworn enemies and starts to believe that a plundered bell understands what he's saying and rings itself to mock him.



* VillainSong: ''The Pearls Of Lutra'': Romsca's BadassBoast. ''Triss'': The Freebooters have three.

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* VillainSong: VillainSong:
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''The Pearls Of Lutra'': Romsca's BadassBoast. BadassBoast.
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''Triss'': The Freebooters have three.



* WouldHurtAChild: Slagar The Cruel, and how.

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* WouldHurtAChild: WouldHurtAChild:
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Slagar The Cruel, and how.Cruel.



** Special mention goes to Lask Frildur and his monitor lizards. Throughout ''Pearls of Lutra'' the author mentions multiple times that they all have foul breath. Ublaz had to turn away from Lask in the very first scene they were in just because it smelled so bad.

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** Special mention goes to Lask Frildur and his monitor lizards. Throughout ''Pearls ''The Pearls of Lutra'' Lutra'', the author mentions multiple times that they all have foul breath. Ublaz had to turn away from Lask in the very first scene they were in just because it smelled so bad.
27th Apr '16 7:30:32 PM Quanyails
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** In Sable Quean, Clarrina. She's just a simple haremother/widow. But she ends up [[spoiler: killing Zwilt the Shade in revenge for her husband's murder]] with Martin's sword no less.
** Cynthia Bankvole through entire story of Mattimeo does nothing but whine and complain (Which is understandable, suddenly being taken from your comfy home and family into a life of slavery), but in the animated series, during the final battle, she joins in trying to kick ass.
--> Mattimeo: Cynthia? What happened to you?
--> Cynthia: I got angry.
** Arven from Pearls of Lutra, was a cheeky, bratty and mischievous toddler. In The Long Patrol, at some point once he became an adult (Or maybe even earlier) he was badass enough to earn the title Warrior of Redwall.

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** In ''The Sable Quean, Clarrina. She's Quean'', Clarrina is just a simple haremother/widow. But haremother/widow, but she ends up [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing Zwilt the Shade in revenge for her husband's murder]] with Martin's sword no less.
** Cynthia Bankvole through entire story of Mattimeo ''Mattimeo'' does nothing but whine and complain (Which (which is understandable, suddenly being taken from your comfy home and family into a life of slavery), but in the animated series, during the final battle, she joins in trying to kick ass.
--> Mattimeo: '''Mattimeo''': Cynthia? What happened to you?
--> Cynthia: '''Cynthia''': I got angry.
** Arven from ''The Pearls of Lutra, Lutra'' was a cheeky, bratty and mischievous toddler. In The ''The Long Patrol, Patrol'', at some point once he became an adult (Or maybe even earlier) he was badass enough to earn the title Warrior of Redwall.



** Sampetra Isle, was named after two fans "Sam and Petra"

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** Sampetra Isle, was named after two fans "Sam and Petra" Petra".
27th Apr '16 7:26:50 PM Quanyails
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* SeriesContinuityError: In ''Taggerung,'' Sawney Rath has a nicer moment of genre savviness when he swears he won't be one of the many dead vermin lords who've attacked Redwall...except that one of the names he drops is Ferahgo, who never went near Redwall.

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* SeriesContinuityError: SeriesContinuityError:
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In ''Taggerung,'' Sawney Rath has a nicer moment of genre savviness when he swears he won't be one of the many dead vermin lords who've attacked Redwall...except that one of the names he drops is Ferahgo, who never went near Redwall.



** Barlom from Outcast of Redwall, states that he is the grandson of Timballisto and wishes Martin had lived long enough to have met him. Though The Legend of Luke states that Timballisto died shortly after the events in Mossflower.

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** Barlom from Outcast ''Outcast of Redwall, Redwall'' states that he is the grandson of Timballisto and wishes Martin had lived long enough to have met him. Though The ''The Legend of Luke Luke'' states that Timballisto died shortly after the events in Mossflower.



* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: "Outcast of Redwall" is not only more epic in scope than the rest of the series, but also much less clear-cut, averting the usual BlackAndWhiteMorality in favor of more fleshed-out, and sympathetic "vermin", and Redwallers committing unprovoked acts of violence (including killing of innocents).

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* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: "Outcast ''Outcast of Redwall" Redwall'' is not only more epic in scope than the rest of the series, but also much less clear-cut, averting the usual BlackAndWhiteMorality in favor of more fleshed-out, and sympathetic "vermin", and Redwallers committing unprovoked acts of violence (including killing of innocents).



*** It is StandardOperatingProcedure on Terramort that the Searat King defends his title with his own blade until meets a superior fighter and is slain. Said superior fighter becomes King.

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*** It KlingonPromotion is StandardOperatingProcedure standard operating procedure on Terramort that the Terramort. The Searat King defends his title with his own blade until meets a superior fighter and is slain. Said superior fighter becomes King.



** Subverted in the latest book; only one relatively minor prophecy, no great siege and no sea quest.
* SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome: Friar Hugo is killed off not even halfway through Part 1 of ''Mattimeo''. Later on, [[spoiler: Warbeak]] and [[spoiler: Log-a-Log]] also bite the dust.

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** Subverted in the latest last book; only one relatively minor prophecy, no great siege and no sea quest.
* SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome: SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome:
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Friar Hugo is killed off not even halfway through Part 1 of ''Mattimeo''. Later on, [[spoiler: Warbeak]] and [[spoiler: Log-a-Log]] also bite the dust.
27th Apr '16 7:20:52 PM Quanyails
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* RewardedAsATraitorDeserves: Damug Warfang drowns some traitors in ''The Long Patrol''.

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* RewardedAsATraitorDeserves: RewardedAsATraitorDeserves:
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Damug Warfang drowns some traitors in ''The Long Patrol''.



** Also, some fanon suggests that-to solve issues with scale and such-most of the animals are human-sized or thereabouts and objects are scaled to in a similar manner, with badgers and such things being around ten feet tall. This doesn't apply to the first book, due to CanonDisplacement.

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** Also, some fanon suggests that-to that--to solve issues with scale and such-most such--most of the animals are human-sized or thereabouts and objects are scaled to in a similar manner, with badgers and such things being around ten feet tall. This doesn't apply to the first book, due to CanonDisplacement.EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
27th Apr '16 7:19:25 PM Quanyails
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* RedemptionEqualsDeath: ZigZagged with Veil, sort of. Subverted because he's still considered a bad guy after TakingTheBullet for Bryony, and inverted because even though he spent practically every one of his scenes being a horrid little bastard, Bryony thought he was good but misunderstood, only "realizing" he was evil after said TakingTheBullet.

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* RedemptionEqualsDeath: RedemptionEqualsDeath:
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ZigZagged with Veil, sort of. Subverted because he's still considered a bad guy after TakingTheBullet for Bryony, and inverted because even though he spent practically every one of his scenes being a horrid little bastard, Bryony thought he was good but misunderstood, only "realizing" he was evil after said TakingTheBullet.



* RevengeBeforeReason: This is arguably the entire theme of the book Martin the Warrior. The two main character, Martin and Felldoh, are both driven by a desire for revenge on Badrang and in both their cases it costs them everything. Both may have the reason being that they wish to stop an evil slaver and free the slaves but it's made clear, especially in Felldoh's case, that their main motivation is revenge. [[spoiler: Even after all the slaves are freed, Felldoh insists on staying around Marshank to attack Badrang and swears a litteral oath of vengeance when Juniper is killed in a raid; when Felldoh has a duel with Badrang he could have easily just killed the tyrant but chose instead to beat him in retribution for all the years he'd spent as a slave, which gave time for Badrang to call up his reinforcements which ends with Felldoh killed. Martin's desire for revenge and reclaiming his father's sword does lead him to kill Badrang, but it gets many of his allies killed and causes Badrang to kill Rose which emotionally scars Martin so deeply that he leaves all of his friends and his potential life behind, presumably riddled with guilt]]

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* RevengeBeforeReason: This is arguably the entire theme of the book Martin ''Martin the Warrior.Warrior''. The two main character, Martin and Felldoh, are both driven by a desire for revenge on Badrang and in both their cases it costs them everything. Both may have the reason being that they wish to stop an evil slaver and free the slaves but it's made clear, especially in Felldoh's case, that their main motivation is revenge. [[spoiler: Even after all the slaves are freed, Felldoh insists on staying around Marshank to attack Badrang and swears a litteral oath of vengeance when Juniper is killed in a raid; when Felldoh has a duel with Badrang he could have easily just killed the tyrant but chose instead to beat him in retribution for all the years he'd spent as a slave, which gave time for Badrang to call up his reinforcements which ends with Felldoh killed. Martin's desire for revenge and reclaiming his father's sword does lead him to kill Badrang, but it gets many of his allies killed and causes Badrang to kill Rose which emotionally scars Martin so deeply that he leaves all of his friends and his potential life behind, presumably riddled with guilt]]
27th Apr '16 7:17:18 PM Quanyails
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** Particularly the final battle of The Long Patrol, which also served as the single largest engagement in the series. Damug spends the first 2/3 of the battle attempting to advance upon the combined Redwall army on top the hill and eventually succeeds in surrounding them and threatening to annihilate them. Cue Cregga Rose Eyes and the Salamandastron army.

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** Particularly the final battle of The ''The Long Patrol, Patrol'', which also served as the single largest engagement in the series. Damug spends the first 2/3 of the battle attempting to advance upon the combined Redwall army on top the hill and eventually succeeds in surrounding them and threatening to annihilate them. Cue Cregga Rose Eyes and the Salamandastron army.



* PoisonedWeapons: A few of the nastier villains. Swartt, especially, had a poisoned chalice he used several times. Wraith used a poisoned dagger so lethal it could kill in seconds with the poison alone, without even letting the victim cry out. In ''The Sable Quean'', Vilaya is shown using a tiny poison dagger against her enemies. Also, the adders fall under this heading by default.

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* PoisonedWeapons: A few of the nastier villains. villains.
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Swartt, especially, had a poisoned chalice he used several times. times.
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Wraith used a poisoned dagger so lethal it could kill in seconds with the poison alone, without even letting the victim cry out. out.
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In ''The Sable Quean'', Vilaya is shown using a tiny poison dagger against her enemies. enemies.
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Also, the adders fall under this heading by default.



* PsychopathicManchild: The Gawtrybe are an entire tribe of ChaoticNeutral squirrels, who do whatever seems like the most fun at the time. Also, Prince Bladd has hints of this, though VagueAge means he may in fact be fairly young.

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* PsychopathicManchild: PsychopathicManchild:
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The Gawtrybe are an entire tribe of ChaoticNeutral squirrels, squirrels who do whatever seems like the most fun at the time. Also, Prince Bladd has hints of this, though VagueAge means he may in fact be fairly young.
27th Apr '16 7:12:19 PM Quanyails
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* NoHuggingNoKissing: The word "love" is rarely used, and even Rose and Martin hardly even hold paws onscreen, but their relationship is still very clear and a firm favourite with a lot of the fans, possibly ''because'' it's subtly handled. JustifiedTrope in that the target audience seems to consist mostly of ten-year-old boys. There are also no references to any kind of sexuality: no female characters are shown pregnant or nursing for example.
** Antigra was nursing Gruven at the start of The Taggerung

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* NoHuggingNoKissing: The word "love" is rarely used, and even Rose and Martin hardly even hold paws onscreen, but their relationship is still very clear and a firm favourite with a lot of the fans, possibly ''because'' it's subtly handled. JustifiedTrope It is {{Justified|Trope}} in that the target audience seems to consist mostly of ten-year-old boys. There are also no references to any kind of sexuality: no female characters are shown pregnant or nursing for example.
pregnant.
** Antigra Antigra, however, was shown nursing Gruven at the start of The Taggerung''The Taggerung''.



* NotQuiteDead: Skipper from ''The Long Patrol''. He gets sucked down a well with a yellow eel wrapped around him and presumably drowns/gets eaten. A couple chapters later, he's found inside a Mossflower stream safe and sound. [[{{Badass}} Plus he managed to kill the eel]].

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* NotQuiteDead: NotQuiteDead:
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Skipper from ''The Long Patrol''. He gets sucked down a well with a yellow eel wrapped around him and presumably drowns/gets eaten. A couple chapters later, he's found inside a Mossflower stream safe and sound. [[{{Badass}} Plus he managed to kill the eel]].
27th Apr '16 7:09:56 PM Quanyails
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** Badger Lords tend to get impressive titles as well. Orlando the Axe, Sunflash the Mace, Boar the Fighter, Uthrun the Gripper... Lady Cregga Rose Eyes would appear to be a subversion... until you learn she's called that because where Badger Lords' eyes only glow red when the Bloodwrath is on them, hers is on ''all the time''.

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** Badger Lords tend to get impressive titles as well. Orlando the Axe, Sunflash the Mace, Boar the Fighter, Uthrun the Gripper... Lady Cregga Rose Eyes would appear to be a subversion... until you learn she's called that because where Badger Lords' eyes only glow red when the Bloodwrath is on them, and hers is on ''all the time''.



* [[NeverTrustATrailer Never Trust A Book Cover]]: Plenty of covers. But the by far most blatant ones, were made by a German cover artist. The [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060105021050/redwall/images/2/27/GermanRedwall.jpg Redwall]] one, for instance shows all animals nude. And further shows all Redwallers, including Constance and Basil, cowering behind in fear, while Matthias seems to be the only one brave enough to stand up against Cluny. The one for [[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060106055125/redwall/images/f/f9/GermanMossflower2.jpg Mossflower]], however, is worse. It shows nude Martin and his cronies ''riding'' the Salamandastron hares like on horses (apart from the fact that there are only [[RuleOfThree two]] hares present). And... wait a minute... who is that third mouse?! What do you mean, it's [[IAmNotWeasel supposed to be a shrew]]?! And why are the other two mice ''blue?'' Artist, are you blind? Or illiterate? Or high? Or everything at the same time? Anyway, it apparently took the publishers three of such covers, before they finally fired that cover artist. For his cover for [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060105021558/redwall/images/d/d5/GermanMattimeo.jpg Mattimeo]], he finally managed to draw a creature with clothes on, but apparently still does not know the difference between a [[TooDumbToLive ''combat axe'' and a ''spike club'']]. Especially, when the axebearer is explicitly called Orlando the ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Axe]]''! And Mattimeo was ''not'' a baby at that time anymore. And lastly, none of the scenes portrayed on these covers happened (or at least happened ''that way'') in the books.

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* [[NeverTrustATrailer Never Trust A Book Cover]]: Plenty of covers. But the by covers.
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far most blatant ones, ones were made by a German cover artist. The [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060105021050/redwall/images/2/27/GermanRedwall.jpg Redwall]] one, for instance shows all animals nude. And further shows all Redwallers, including Constance and Basil, cowering behind in fear, while Matthias seems to be the only one brave enough to stand up against Cluny. The one for [[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060106055125/redwall/images/f/f9/GermanMossflower2.jpg Mossflower]], however, is worse. It shows nude Martin and his cronies ''riding'' the Salamandastron hares like on horses (apart from the fact that there are only [[RuleOfThree two]] hares present). And... wait a minute... who is that third mouse?! What do you mean, it's [[IAmNotWeasel supposed to be a shrew]]?! And why are the other two mice ''blue?'' Artist, are you blind? Or illiterate? Or high? Or everything at the same time? Anyway, it apparently took the publishers three of such covers, before they finally fired that cover artist. For his cover for [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060105021558/redwall/images/d/d5/GermanMattimeo.jpg Mattimeo]], he finally managed to draw a creature with clothes on, but apparently still does not know the difference between a [[TooDumbToLive ''combat axe'' and a ''spike club'']]. Especially, when the axebearer is explicitly called Orlando the ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Axe]]''! And Mattimeo was ''not'' a baby at that time anymore. And lastly, none of the scenes portrayed on these covers happened (or at least happened ''that way'') in the books.
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