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** The [[OneSceneWonder unnamed Soviet colonel]] in charge of the attack on Bieben, who became the ''de facto'' divisional commander after his general was killed. Competent, aggressive, not afraid to speak his mind, he is last seen giving orders to his division ''after casually surviving an artillery barrage''.

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** The The [[OneSceneWonder unnamed Soviet colonel]] in charge of the attack on Bieben, who became the ''de facto'' divisional commander after his general was killed. Competent, aggressive, not afraid to speak his mind, he is last seen giving orders to his division ''after casually surviving an artillery barrage''.



* GeoEffects: Special notice goes to a rare ''seaborne'' use of them during the [[spoiler:retaking of Iceland.]] The NATO amphibious fleet positions itself in a rocky harbor, which makes navigation very difficult. The upside reveals itself once the Soviet bombers launch their dreaded MacrossMissileMassacre strategy: [[spoiler:the missiles are designed for use in the open ocean and home in on the largest radar/infrared signatures they can detect. In the rocky harbor, those belong not to ships but to volcanic mini-islands, causing most of the AS-4s to miss their targets.]]



* GeoEffects: Special notice goes to a rare ''seaborne'' use of them during the [[spoiler:retaking of Iceland.]] The NATO amphibious fleet positions itself in a rocky harbor, which makes navigation very difficult. The upside reveals itself once the Soviet bombers launch their dreaded MacrossMissileMassacre strategy: [[spoiler:the missiles are designed for use in the open ocean and home in on the largest radar/infrared signatures they can detect. In the rocky harbor, those belong not to ships but to volcanic mini-islands, causing most of the AS-4s to miss their targets.]]



* OldSchoolDogfight: As part of an aerial LastStand by the Soviets on Iceland when the NATO fleet arrives, the remaining seven [=MiG-29s=] manage to jump a squadron of F-18s just as the Hornets are done dropping bombs. The problem is, the [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mikoyan_mig29.jpg [=MiG-29=]]] and the [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FA-18_diving.jpg F-18]] look rather similar, especially at standard air combat distances. Since neither side wanted to fire on a friendly target, the result was a cannon duel at extremely close range as both sides tried to identify their targets visually. The [=SAMs=] firing more or less at random did not help.



* OldSchoolDogfight: As part of an aerial LastStand by the Soviets on Iceland when the NATO fleet arrives, the remaining seven [=MiG-29s=] manage to jump a squadron of F-18s just as the Hornets are done dropping bombs. The problem is, the [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mikoyan_mig29.jpg [=MiG-29=]]] and the [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FA-18_diving.jpg F-18]] look rather similar, especially at standard air combat distances. Since neither side wanted to fire on a friendly target, the result was a cannon duel at extremely close range as both sides tried to identify their targets visually. The [=SAMs=] firing more or less at random did not help.



* RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil: It earns Vigdis' attacker a death sentence.



* SpiritualSuccessor: The Killerfish game ''VideoGame/ColdWaters'' has been explicitly described as a spiritual successor to the ''Red Storm Rising'' PC game.



* WarIsHell: there's one particular [[ActionFilmQuietDramaScene quiet scene]] where Alekseyev muses on this trope very, very bitterly.


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* WarIsHell: there's one particular [[ActionFilmQuietDramaScene quiet scene]] where Alekseyev muses on this trope very, very bitterly.
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Co-written with Creator/LarryBond (creator of the ''VideoGame/{{Harpoon}}'' game series, which Clancy had used for ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober''), this novel tells the story of a conventional WorldWarIII between the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact and NATO in the late 1980s.

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Co-written with Creator/LarryBond (creator of the ''VideoGame/{{Harpoon}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}}'' game series, which Clancy had used for ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober''), this novel tells the story of a conventional WorldWarIII between the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact and NATO in the late 1980s.
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** Ivan Sergetov, who starts off as "a young man with all [in this context, that means none] of the answers" fresh out of the Frunze Academy. Germany turns him into a real man.

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** Ivan Sergetov, who starts off as a graduate student of languages and "a young man with all [in this context, that means none] of the answers" fresh out of [[note]]in this context, he doesn't really understand what he's confidently asserting about the Frunze Academy.Arab countries' lack of military skill[[/note]]. Germany turns him into a real man.
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** Several colonels are shot for falsifying readiness reports, and several conscripts are similarly shot for insubordination or disobedience [[note]]indicating that the Soviet Army wants to rapidly improve the discipline and quality of its soldiers[[/note]]

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** Several Four highly-regarded colonels are shot for falsifying readiness reports, reports[[note]]not a great crime in itself, certainly not usually a capital offense[[/note]], and several conscripts consripts are similarly shot for insubordination or disobedience [[note]]indicating that the Soviet Army wants to rapidly improve the discipline and quality of its soldiers[[/note]]
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The book was made into a submarine simulation game by Creator/SidMeier and Creator/MicroProse in 1988. In more recent years, a fan made it into a free campaign for the naval game ''VideoGame/DangerousWaters''. Sonalysts liked it so much they put it on an extras disc in the European edition. Another [[http://www.ghostrecon.net/files2/index.php?act=view&id=1192 fan-made campaign]] was also made for ''VideoGame/GhostRecon'' in 2010. A spiritual successor to the [=MicroProse=] game, called ''VideoGame/ColdWaters'', has been developed by Killerfish Games.

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The book was made into a submarine simulation game by Creator/SidMeier and Creator/MicroProse in 1988. In more recent years, a fan made it into a free campaign for the naval game ''VideoGame/DangerousWaters''. Sonalysts liked it so much they put it on an extras disc in the European edition. Another [[http://www.ghostrecon.net/files2/index.php?act=view&id=1192 fan-made campaign]] was also made for ''VideoGame/GhostRecon'' ''VideoGame/GhostRecon1'' in 2010. A spiritual successor to the [=MicroProse=] game, called ''VideoGame/ColdWaters'', has been developed by Killerfish Games.
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** Aircraft use missiles as their long-range weapons (where "long range" is anything beyond 500 meters). However, as in real life, all air-to-air (and most air-to-ground) missiles have top speeds in the 500-600mph range. This is a particular problem for the F-14 with its very long range Phoenix missile: at long Phoenix range, the Tomcats must take every possible precaution against being detected, because the missiles take so long to reach their target that a forewarned target will be able to dodge, duck, or decoy the missiles and escape.
** Submarines use both missiles and torpedoes, and both have the same problem: limited fuel, which means limited range. Torpedoes also have top speeds between fifty and seventy knots, while the submarines have top speeds ranging from twenty to forty knots. This means that under certain circumstances the submarine can ''outrun'' a pursuing torpedo. Even if the sub can't outrun a torpedo, it can use noisemakers and water conditions to dodge or fool the torpedo. A great deal of the skill in attacking an enemy sub comes from the need to get as close as possible before firing, so the target doesn't have time to employ any counter-tactics.

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** Aircraft use missiles as their long-range weapons (where "long range" is anything beyond 500 meters). However, as in real life, all air-to-air (and most air-to-ground) even missiles have top speeds in the 500-600mph range.take time to reach their maximum theoretical ranges. This is a particular problem for the F-14 with its very long range Phoenix missile: at long Phoenix range, the Tomcats must take every possible precaution against being detected, because the missiles take so long to reach their target that a forewarned target will be able to dodge, duck, or decoy the missiles and escape.
** Submarines use both missiles and torpedoes, and both Submarine torpedoes have the same problem: limited fuel, which means limited range. Torpedoes also have top speeds between fifty and seventy knots, while the submarines have top speeds ranging from twenty to forty knots. This means that under certain circumstances the Nevertheless, a submarine can ''outrun'' a pursuing torpedo.torpedo if it's far enough away when the torpedo is fired. Even if the sub can't outrun a torpedo, it can use noisemakers and water conditions to dodge or fool the torpedo. A great deal of the skill in attacking an enemy sub comes from the need to get as close as possible before firing, so the target doesn't have time to employ any counter-tactics.
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** Alekseyev is referred to as a 'colonel-general', a rather literal translation of the Russian 'general-polkovnik', and a 'four-star genera'. The rank is normally translated as 'colonel general', was the third general rank from the bottom, and wore three stars. The Soviet rank of 'army general' ceased to wear four stars in the 1960s, switching to the one large star that modern Russian army generals continue to wear.

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** Alekseyev is referred to as a 'colonel-general', a rather literal translation of the Russian 'general-polkovnik', and a 'four-star genera'.general'. The rank is normally translated as 'colonel general', was the third general rank from the bottom, and wore three stars. The Soviet rank of 'army general' ceased to wear four stars in the 1960s, 1970s, switching to the one large star that modern Russian army generals continue to wear.
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** At one point, the M1 Abrams is referred to as the M1.

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** At one point, the M1 Abrams is referred to as the M1.M-1.
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** The French intelligence officer viewing the Soviet exercises in East Germany is said to be a major. The French army does have the rank of major, but it is the highest non-commissioned rank rather than the field officer grade typical of other armies.
** At one point, the M1 Abrams is referred to as the M1.
** Alekseyev is referred to as a 'colonel-general', a rather literal translation of the Russian 'general-polkovnik', and a 'four-star genera'. The rank is normally translated as 'colonel general', was the third general rank from the bottom, and wore three stars. The Soviet rank of 'army general' ceased to wear four stars in the 1960s, switching to the one large star that modern Russian army generals continue to wear.


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* EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep: Many senior officers are referred to only by their position's title, such as SACEUR (Supreme Allied Commander Europe) and CINC-West (Commander-in-Chief West).
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* RealityIsUnrealistic: The fate of USS ''Pharris'' - having its bow ripped off and lost, while the rest of the hull remains afloat to be towed back to port - seems implausible at best. However, at least two UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo-era destroyers were involved in similar incidents: USS ''Murphy'' losing its bow in a collision, and USS ''Abner Read'' losing its stern to a mine. Both ships were towed back for repairs and ultimately returned to action.
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* AggressivePlayIncentive: The game starts off with the Warsaw Pact having the upper hand, so if the player just watches the map, they'll see the red territory creeping further and further. Turning the tide requires sweeping the open seas to hunt down and destroy your mission objectives -- and if you take too long, you fail to stop them from completing their own missions, and they gain an even bigger advantage. It's eventually possible to take it easier once the war has tilted far enough in NATO's favour and the borders start creeping back the other way (although you do still need to keep some momentum).
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* TheRedBaron: The A-10, an aircraft that causes no end of problems for the Soviet's armored advance, is referred to by them as the Devil's Cross, in part because of a resemblance to a Russian Orthodox cross.

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* TheRedBaron: RedBaron: The A-10, an aircraft that causes no end of problems for the Soviet's armored advance, is referred to by them as the Devil's Cross, in part because of a resemblance to a Russian Orthodox cross.
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* FriendlyEnemy: After Ellington is shot down, he begins to make his way back to friendly lines. Unbeknownst to him, NATO an the Warsaw Pact have enacted a cease-fire. When he is discovered by a Soviet patrol, instead of detaining him the Soviets embrace him and point him in the right direction to rendezvous with his allies.

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* FriendlyEnemy: After Ellington is shot down, he begins to make his way back to friendly lines. Unbeknownst to him, NATO an and the Warsaw Pact have enacted a cease-fire. When he is discovered by a Soviet patrol, instead of detaining him the Soviets embrace him and point him in the right direction to rendezvous with his allies.
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* WeaponRunningTime: this works into both airborne and submarine attacks:
** Aircraft use missiles as their long-range weapons (where "long range" is anything beyond 500 meters). However, as in real life, all air-to-air (and most air-to-ground) missiles have top speeds in the 500-600mph range. This is a particular problem for the F-14 with its very long range Phoenix missile: at long Phoenix range, the Tomcats must take every possible precaution against being detected, because the missiles take so long to reach their target that a forewarned target will be able to dodge, duck, or decoy the missiles and escape.
** Submarines use both missiles and torpedoes, and both have the same problem: limited fuel, which means limited range. Torpedoes also have top speeds between fifty and seventy knots, while the submarines have top speeds ranging from twenty to forty knots. This means that under certain circumstances the submarine can ''outrun'' a pursuing torpedo. Even if the sub can't outrun a torpedo, it can use noisemakers and water conditions to dodge or fool the torpedo. A great deal of the skill in attacking an enemy sub comes from the need to get as close as possible before firing, so the target doesn't have time to employ any counter-tactics.
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* AwesomeMcCoolname: The Supreme Soviet commander is called Marshal Shavyrin.
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The war starts and the novel focuses on some of the people in the war. There are several characters, but the main ones include:

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The war starts and the novel focuses on some of the people in the war. There are several plenty of characters, but the main ones include:including:
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The war starts and the novel focuses on some of the people in the war. There are LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, but the main ones include:

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The war starts and the novel focuses on some of the people in the war. There are LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, several characters, but the main ones include:
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* CIAEvilFBIGood: An eastern bloc variation. The soldiers of the Red Army are generally portrayed as good people; they're just following orders and trying to serve their country, similar to their NATO counterparts. On the other hand, the KGB is portrayed as being immoral and not above murdering innocent people to achieve political goals.
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** They also don't seem to get that the worst result of negotiating for oil would still probably be better than the best result of a war.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Toward the end of the book, Mikhail Sergetov blows his stack at the obstinacy of the Politboro [[spoiler: dismissing what he's been telling them, which he learned from his son, who is serving at the front]] and after giving them a TheReasonYouSuck speech, asks where ''their'' sons are: "Where are the Communists here?"

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* AwesomenessByAnalysis: Toland, in spades. He gets a FieldPromotion and the attention and gratitude of several flag officers for his analytical abilities.

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* AwesomenessByAnalysis: Toland, in spades. He gets a FieldPromotion and the attention and gratitude of several flag officers for his analytical abilities. Even before the war starts, Toland is able to piece together several seemingly-unrelated trends in the Soviet Union, namely:
** A massive shortage of car and truck batteries in the Soviet Union, despite their largest battery factory operating 24 hours a day [[note]]since military vehicles from submarines to tanks to aircraft starter carts use them, the military having a sudden increased need for fresh batteries is probably the cause of the shortage[[/note]]
** Several colonels are shot for falsifying readiness reports, and several conscripts are similarly shot for insubordination or disobedience [[note]]indicating that the Soviet Army wants to rapidly improve the discipline and quality of its soldiers[[/note]]
** A number of formerly collectivized farms are having the amounts of farmland given to individual farmers doubled [[note]]freeing up a number of mostly military-aged agricultural workers from collective farms for military service and having more agricultural production being done by older farmers who are past military age[[/note]]
...and from these trends is able to conclude that the Soviet Union is gearing up for war.
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* BrutalHonesty: When the Soviet paratrooper general on Iceland surrenders his forces, he asks how he knows for sure the Americans will uphold the laws of war regarding prisoners. The American Marine general bluntly tells him "You don't."
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* BadDreams:
** Morris must deal with the psychological aftermath of [[spoiler:''Pharris'' getting nearly sunk by a Soviet sub, including nightmares about his executive officer being decapitated by shrapnel]].
** Vigdis is shown suffering from nightmares as well [[spoiler:after being raped by Soviet soldiers.]]


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* PastExperienceNightmare:
** Morris must deal with the psychological aftermath of [[spoiler:''Pharris'' getting nearly sunk by a Soviet sub, including nightmares about his executive officer being decapitated by shrapnel]].
** Vigdis is shown suffering from nightmares as well [[spoiler:after being raped by Soviet soldiers.]]
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* WarHawk: The Politburo could have ''asked'' for the oil but instead chose to invade Europe.

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* WarHawk: The Politburo could have ''asked'' for the oil but instead chose to invade Europe. Of course, this would have harmed their negotiating position very badly, or even their legitimacy at home, but most of the leaders still seem to accept WorldWarIII as preferable to their own retirement...
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* FakeOutMakeOut: Vidgis kisses Edwards to pretend to be a local couple when a Soviet helicopter appears.

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