History Literature / NewJediOrder

20th Nov '16 2:29:54 PM StarSword
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* BiotechIsBetter: Yuuzhan Vong OrganicTechnology is almost always presented as superior to inorganic tech. The first known encounter with one by [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Canderous Ordo]] had him describe it as firing plasma that melted his ship's armor like wax, and then escaping at a speed that was impossible to keep up with. Three thousand years later, when the main force arrived in the galaxy, they would still have a considerable advantage. In the last book they have to mention that it takes longer to grow ships than to fabricate them so as to give some possibility of winning the war.
** Also ZigZagged. A lot of Yuuzhan Vong biotech advantage comes not from their tech being objectively better, but from it being ''different''. The dovin basals they use for shielding and propulsion aren't necessarily better than standard engines and shields, but their ability to create microsingularities to gobble up weapon's fire is something the New Republic never dealt with before, but rapidly find a trick to work around. Those same dovin basals can use their gravity-altering abilities to yank the shields off NR ships, but extending the ship's acceleration compensator envelope outside the shield radius nullifies that trick. Vong plasma weapons aren't that much more destructive than standard laser weapons, but have a damage-over-time component that's difficult to deal with once a blast strikes the hull. The one thing in space combat that is categorically better than anything the New Republic can offer is grutchins, the Yuuzhan Vong equivalent of torpedo weapons: think the Buzz Droids from ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', but ''much'' bigger, shaped like a giant space-borne locust, with acid-dripping mandibles that pretty much literally eat starfighters for breakfast. No counter is ever found for them, [[ForgottenPhlebotinum and they quietly disappear from the series shortly after their introduction.]] On the gound, Yuuzhan Vong ranged weapons are distinctly lackluster, having no real equivalent to a blaster (their thud bugs are quite a surprise, but easy to deal with once you're aware of them) and Vong warriors have to close to melee range to do any real damage. Unfortunately, their armor and weapons are capable of withstanding hits from lightsabers, so it takes a rather impressive amount of blasterfire to down the average Vong.
* BittersweetEnding: The Vong are defeated and the Galaxy's at peace, but the damage the Vong caused isn't gonna heal, and everyone's future uncertain.

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* BiotechIsBetter: Yuuzhan Vong OrganicTechnology is almost always presented as superior to inorganic tech. The first known encounter with one by [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Canderous Ordo]] had him describe it as firing plasma that melted his ship's armor like wax, and then escaping at a speed that was impossible to keep up with. Three thousand years later, when the main force arrived in the galaxy, they would still have a considerable advantage. In the last book they have to mention that it takes longer to grow ships than to fabricate them so as to give some possibility of winning the war.
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Played with. A lot of Yuuzhan Vong biotech advantage comes not from their tech being objectively better, but from it being ''different''. The dovin basals they use for shielding and propulsion aren't necessarily better than standard engines and shields, but their ability to create microsingularities to gobble up weapon's fire is something the New Republic never dealt with before, but rapidly find a trick to work around. Those same dovin basals can use their gravity-altering abilities to yank the shields off NR ships, but extending the ship's acceleration compensator envelope outside the shield radius nullifies that trick. Vong plasma weapons aren't that much more destructive than standard laser weapons, but have a damage-over-time component that's difficult to deal with once a blast strikes the hull. The one thing in space combat that is categorically better than anything the New Republic can offer is grutchins, the Yuuzhan Vong equivalent of torpedo weapons: think the Buzz Droids from ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', but ''much'' bigger, shaped like a giant space-borne locust, with acid-dripping mandibles that pretty much literally eat starfighters for breakfast.breakfast and even able to pursue ships into hyperspace. No counter is ever found for them, [[ForgottenPhlebotinum and they quietly disappear from the series shortly after their introduction.]] On the gound, Yuuzhan Vong ranged weapons are distinctly lackluster, having no real equivalent to a blaster (their thud bugs are quite a surprise, but easy to deal with once you're aware of them) and Vong warriors have to close to melee range to do any real damage. Unfortunately, their armor and weapons are capable of withstanding hits from lightsabers, so it takes a rather impressive amount of blasterfire to down the average Vong.
Vong (though as their armor leaves their faces exposed, headshots work pretty well if you're a good marksman).
* BittersweetEnding: The Vong are defeated and the Galaxy's at peace, but the damage the Vong caused isn't gonna heal, and everyone's future is uncertain.



** In ''Destiny's Way'', Admiral Kre'Fey requests more Jedi Knights to boost his forces. It's made almost explicit that Luke and the Council agree partly because the presence of Jedi around will keep Kre'Fey from straying into BloodKnight territory.
* BlueAndOrangeMorality: What makes the Vong so scary- they do horrible things, but they do them with the unshakable belief that it's all not only morally justified, but morally ''required''. [[spoiler: At least until later in the series, when they start to realize that there are other ideas out there that might have merit.]]

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** In ''Destiny's Way'', Admiral Kre'Fey requests more Jedi Knights to boost his forces. It's made almost explicit that Luke and the Council agree partly because the presence of Jedi around will keep Kre'Fey from straying into BloodKnight territory.
territory (the Bothans just declared a GuiltFreeExterminationWar in revenge for the death of [[spoiler:Borsk Fey'lya]]).
* BlueAndOrangeMorality: What makes the Vong so scary- scary: they do horrible things, but they do them with the unshakable belief that it's all not only morally justified, but morally ''required''. [[spoiler: At least until later in the series, when they start to realize that there are other ideas out there that might have merit.]]



* ColonyDrop: In the very first book, the Yuuzhan Vong drop Sernpidal's moon onto the planet itself, killing thousands in the process [[spoiler: (including Chewbacca during the half-successful evacuation attempt)]]. This is actually a military tactic called Yo'gand's Core, named after the first Supreme Overlord of the Yuuzhan Vong. It gets used again at least once during the war (against the planet Kalarba), and Shedao Shai at one point threatens to use it on Ithor. During and after the fall of Coruscant, the Vong bombard the planet with its own orbital defense stations.

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In the very first book, the Yuuzhan Vong drop Sernpidal's moon onto the planet itself, killing thousands in the process [[spoiler: (including Chewbacca during the half-successful evacuation attempt)]]. This is actually a military tactic called Yo'gand's Core, named after the first Supreme Overlord of the Yuuzhan Vong. It gets used again at least once during the war (against the planet Kalarba), and Shedao Shai at one point threatens to use it on Ithor. During and after the fall of Coruscant, the Vong bombard the planet with its own orbital defense stations.



* CombatByChampion: The fate of planet Ithor is decided by a single battle between Corran and [[ArcVillain Shedao]]. [[spoiler: And then ignored by his subordinate, who torches the place even after he's lost.]]

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* CombatByChampion: The fate of planet Ithor is decided by a single battle between Corran and [[ArcVillain Shedao]].Shedao Shai]]. [[spoiler: And then ignored by his subordinate, who torches the place even after he's lost.]]



* ContinuityNod:
** The last book has a ship infected by a Vong-destroying plague head towards Zonama Sekot. Wedge jumps into an X-Wing and takes off after it, comparing the two to Luke and the Death Star. He needs to pick a call sign and chooses "Vader".
* CoversAlwaysLie: There were no Trade Federation vessels in ''Ruin'', ''Jedi Eclipse'' didn't feature Han and a Yuuzhan Vong warrior, Wedge didn't fly an X-wing in ''Rebel Dream'' (well, not in combat, anyway; he did fly Luke's for recon), and X-wings weren't present in ''Traitor'',

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* ContinuityNod:
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ContinuityNod: The last book has a ship infected by a Vong-destroying plague head towards Zonama Sekot. Wedge jumps into an X-Wing and takes off after it, comparing the two to Luke and the Death Star. He needs to pick a call sign and chooses "Vader".
* CoversAlwaysLie: There were no Trade Federation vessels in ''Ruin'', ''Jedi Eclipse'' didn't feature Han and a Yuuzhan Vong warrior, Wedge didn't fly an X-wing in ''Rebel Dream'' (well, not in combat, anyway; he did fly Luke's for recon), and X-wings weren't present in ''Traitor'',''Traitor''. And it's anyone's guess who the guy on the cover of ''Vector Prime'' that looks like Creator/SamNeill is.



* DarkIsNotEvil: According to Vergere's philosophy, there is no separate "dark side", and the techniques traditionally associated with it are therefore not evil. Note that Vergere does ''not'' reject evil as a philosophical concept, merely that the dark side itself doesn't exist as an external corruptive force.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Mostly due to the Vong, who are not only some of the most brutal villains the Star Wars universe produced, but also among the most successful, managing to break the back of the New Republic and seize most of the galaxy, along with killing numerous named characters and countless extras.
* DarkestHour: [[spoiler: The Battle of Coruscant and Anakin Solo's death.]]

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* DarkIsNotEvil: According to Vergere's philosophy, there is no separate "dark side", and the techniques traditionally associated with it are therefore not evil. Note that Vergere does ''not'' reject evil as a philosophical concept, merely that the dark side itself doesn't exist as an external corruptive force. The notion is essentially that whether you stand in the light or fall to the dark is all down to your own decisions.
* DarkerAndEdgier: Mostly due to the Vong, who are not only some of the most brutal villains the Star Wars universe produced, but also among the most successful, managing to break the back of the New Republic and seize a large chunk of the galaxy, along with killing numerous named characters and countless extras.

* DarkerAndEdgier: Mostly due to the Vong, who are not only some of the most brutal villains the Star Wars universe produced, but also among the most successful, managing to break the back of the New Republic and seize most of the galaxy, along with killing numerous named characters and countless extras.
* DarkestHour: [[spoiler: The ''Star By Star'' in its entirety, which ends with [[spoiler:the Battle of Coruscant and Anakin Solo's death.]]



* DecisiveBattle: BookEnds ''Destiny's Way'', which is essentially the war's version of the Normandy invasion. It begins with the Alliance ambushing and destroying a sizable Yuuzhan Vong fleet at Obroa-Skai, seeking to assassinate Supreme Overlord Shimmra who turned out not to be aboard. After this, Shimmra complains to his generals that the loss of this fleet means the Yuuzhan Vong no longer have any strategic reserve and berates them for advancing into the galaxy "over a rampart of our own dead". The book then ends with the Alliance luring in and decisively destroying a fleet led by Warmaster Tsavong Lah at Ebaq 9; Lah ejects and is killed on the ground by Jaina Solo. The war continues for another five books, but after ''Destiny's Way'' it's pretty much all downhill for the Vong.



* DisastrousDemonstration: Subverted when Lando demos the YVH droids. He ends the demonstration and the droid promptly opens fire on the crowd. Except it's aiming at the ''ooglith masquer''-wearing Yuuzhan Vong infiltrators watching the event. The droid is acting ''exactly'' as designed, and when it discovers that its blasters had been locked in powered-down mode for the demo, it improvises and crushes the infiltrators to death.

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* DisastrousDemonstration: Subverted when Lando demos the YVH droids. He ends the demonstration and the droid promptly opens fire on the crowd.crowd, causing a panic. Except it's aiming at the ''ooglith masquer''-wearing Yuuzhan Vong infiltrators watching the event. The droid is acting ''exactly'' as designed, and when it discovers that its blasters had been locked in powered-down mode for the demo, it improvises and crushes the infiltrators to death.
2nd Nov '16 8:37:57 AM ErikModi
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* DependingOnTheWriter: All but inevitable in a series with nineteen books and almost as many writers. The major example is the Vong's "immunity to the Force." Originally, it was just intended that the Force couldn't detect them, then it was that the Force couldn't affect them, then it was that the Force couldn't affect them directly (you couldn't Force Choke them by telekinetically squeezing their windpipe, but you could move the air away from their heads, then it went full-circle to being able to affect them normally, but not sense them. ''Star By Star'' also makes the Yuuzhan Vong vulnerable to Force lightning.

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* DependingOnTheWriter: All but inevitable in a series with nineteen books and almost as many writers. The major example is the Vong's "immunity to the Force." Originally, it was just intended that the Force couldn't detect them, then it was that the Force couldn't affect them, then it was that the Force couldn't affect them directly (you couldn't Force Choke them by telekinetically squeezing their windpipe, but you could move the air away from their heads, heads), then it went full-circle to being able to affect them normally, but not sense them. ''Star By Star'' also makes the Yuuzhan Vong vulnerable to Force lightning.



* ExecutiveMeddling: A lot of the [[AbortedArc aborted plot threads]] are the result of this. For instance, Anakin Solo was being set up to be the main hero of the series, until George Lucas became concerned [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would confuse Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker]], and requested Anakin Solo be killed. This forced a scramble to retool Jacen into the main hero of the series.
2nd Nov '16 8:36:28 AM ErikModi
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* ExecutiveMeddling: A lot of the [[AbortedArc aborted plot threads]] are the result of this. For instance, Anakin Solo was being set up to be the main hero of the series, until George Lucas became concerned [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would confuse Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker]], and requested Anakin Solo be killed. This forced a scramble to retool Jacen into the main hero of the series.
2nd Nov '16 7:35:50 AM ErikModi
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** It's heavily implied that the Yuuzhan Vong had to leave their home galaxy and seek a new one (thus creating the conflict for this series) because they used that tactic ''too much'', leaving too few habitable worlds for them to live on.
2nd Nov '16 7:31:42 AM ErikModi
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** Also ZigZagged. A lot of Yuuzhan Vong biotech advantage comes not from their tech being objectively better, but from it being ''different''. The dovin basals they use for shielding and propulsion aren't necessarily better than standard engines and shields, but their ability to create microsingularities to gobble up weapon's fire is something the New Republic never dealt with before, but rapidly find a trick to work around. Those same dovin basals can use their gravity-altering abilities to yank the shields off NR ships, but extending the ship's acceleration compensator envelope outside the shield radius nullifies that trick. Vong plasma weapons aren't that much more destructive than standard laser weapons, but have a damage-over-time component that's difficult to deal with once a blast strikes the hull. The one thing in space combat that is categorically better than anything the New Republic can offer is grutchins, the Yuuzhan Vong equivalent of torpedo weapons: think the Buzz Droids from ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', but ''much'' bigger, shaped like a giant space-borne locust, with acid-dripping mandibles that pretty much literally eat starfighters for breakfast. No counter is ever found for them, [[ForgottenPhelbotinum and they quietly disappear from the series shortly after their introduction.]] On the gound, Yuuzhan Vong ranged weapons are distinctly lackluster, having no real equivalent to a blaster (their thud bugs are quite a surprise, but easy to deal with once you're aware of them) and Vong warriors have to close to melee range to do any real damage. Unfortunately, their armor and weapons are capable of withstanding hits from lightsabers, so it takes a rather impressive amount of blasterfire to down the average Vong.

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** Also ZigZagged. A lot of Yuuzhan Vong biotech advantage comes not from their tech being objectively better, but from it being ''different''. The dovin basals they use for shielding and propulsion aren't necessarily better than standard engines and shields, but their ability to create microsingularities to gobble up weapon's fire is something the New Republic never dealt with before, but rapidly find a trick to work around. Those same dovin basals can use their gravity-altering abilities to yank the shields off NR ships, but extending the ship's acceleration compensator envelope outside the shield radius nullifies that trick. Vong plasma weapons aren't that much more destructive than standard laser weapons, but have a damage-over-time component that's difficult to deal with once a blast strikes the hull. The one thing in space combat that is categorically better than anything the New Republic can offer is grutchins, the Yuuzhan Vong equivalent of torpedo weapons: think the Buzz Droids from ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', but ''much'' bigger, shaped like a giant space-borne locust, with acid-dripping mandibles that pretty much literally eat starfighters for breakfast. No counter is ever found for them, [[ForgottenPhelbotinum [[ForgottenPhlebotinum and they quietly disappear from the series shortly after their introduction.]] On the gound, Yuuzhan Vong ranged weapons are distinctly lackluster, having no real equivalent to a blaster (their thud bugs are quite a surprise, but easy to deal with once you're aware of them) and Vong warriors have to close to melee range to do any real damage. Unfortunately, their armor and weapons are capable of withstanding hits from lightsabers, so it takes a rather impressive amount of blasterfire to down the average Vong.
2nd Nov '16 7:31:04 AM ErikModi
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** Also ZigZagged. A lot of Yuuzhan Vong biotech advantage comes not from their tech being objectively better, but from it being ''different''. The dovin basals they use for shielding and propulsion aren't necessarily better than standard engines and shields, but their ability to create microsingularities to gobble up weapon's fire is something the New Republic never dealt with before, but rapidly find a trick to work around. Those same dovin basals can use their gravity-altering abilities to yank the shields off NR ships, but extending the ship's acceleration compensator envelope outside the shield radius nullifies that trick. Vong plasma weapons aren't that much more destructive than standard laser weapons, but have a damage-over-time component that's difficult to deal with once a blast strikes the hull. The one thing in space combat that is categorically better than anything the New Republic can offer is grutchins, the Yuuzhan Vong equivalent of torpedo weapons: think the Buzz Droids from ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', but ''much'' bigger, shaped like a giant space-borne locust, with acid-dripping mandibles that pretty much literally eat starfighters for breakfast. No counter is ever found for them, [[ForgottenPhelbotinum and they quietly disappear from the series shortly after their introduction.]] On the gound, Yuuzhan Vong ranged weapons are distinctly lackluster, having no real equivalent to a blaster (their thud bugs are quite a surprise, but easy to deal with once you're aware of them) and Vong warriors have to close to melee range to do any real damage. Unfortunately, their armor and weapons are capable of withstanding hits from lightsabers, so it takes a rather impressive amount of blasterfire to down the average Vong.
2nd Nov '16 7:19:21 AM ErikModi
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* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Onimi.]] See OmnicidalManiac.

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* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Onimi.]] See OmnicidalManiac. The Yuuzhan Vong themselves (mostly the warriors) come across as this at first, but it rapidly grows [[HiddenDepths more complicated.]]
27th Oct '16 3:10:29 PM morenohijazo
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* BiotechIsBetter: Yuuzhan Vong OrganicTechnology is almost always presented as superior to inorganic tech. In the last book they have to mention that it takes longer to grow ships than to fabricate them so as to give some possibility of winning the war.

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* BiotechIsBetter: Yuuzhan Vong OrganicTechnology is almost always presented as superior to inorganic tech. The first known encounter with one by [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Canderous Ordo]] had him describe it as firing plasma that melted his ship's armor like wax, and then escaping at a speed that was impossible to keep up with. Three thousand years later, when the main force arrived in the galaxy, they would still have a considerable advantage. In the last book they have to mention that it takes longer to grow ships than to fabricate them so as to give some possibility of winning the war.
10th Oct '16 9:31:00 AM zarpaulus
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* BiotechIsBetter: Yuuzhan Vong OrganicTechnology is almost always presented as superior to inorganic tech. In the last book they have to mention that it takes longer to grow ships than to fabricate them so as to give some possibility of winning the war.
14th Aug '16 10:41:53 AM nombretomado
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* MeaningfulName: It's [[TheDivineComedy no coincidence]] that a figure named Vergere is the one who leads Jacen through his [[ToHellAndBack symbolic death and rebirth]] in ''Traitor''.

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* MeaningfulName: It's [[TheDivineComedy [[Literature/TheDivineComedy no coincidence]] that a figure named Vergere is the one who leads Jacen through his [[ToHellAndBack symbolic death and rebirth]] in ''Traitor''.
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