History Literature / LordOfTheFlies

17th Jul '17 5:38:16 PM pyroclastic
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* BlowThatHorn: Ralph and Piggy sound a conch shell to gather the boys together. [[spoiler: The eventual crushing of the shell alongside Piggy symbolizes the descent into savagery of the boys]].
23rd Jun '17 4:35:41 AM NightShade96
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* SceneryDissonance: Type 1. The novel takes place on a paradise island, and is about a group of schoolchildren growing increasingly savage and inhuman after losing contact with the civilized world.
9th Jun '17 12:58:38 AM 3rdStringPG
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** Averted in the Filipino adaptation ''Alkitrang Dugo'', where the characters are male and female students (equivalent of junior high in the U.S.) who were on their way to compete in an athletic meet.
16th Apr '17 9:50:59 AM Owlorange1995
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* AdaptationalBadass: In the 1993 film, the boys are recruits from military school. Therefore, they are able to adapt to the island much better than their book counterparts.
16th Apr '17 12:26:37 AM coraline94
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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all.

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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all. So his [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]] aren't clearly yet defined.
16th Apr '17 12:25:25 AM coraline94
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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all. This doesn't exactly appear like guilt-ridden attitude.

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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all. This doesn't exactly appear like guilt-ridden attitude.
16th Apr '17 12:23:05 AM coraline94
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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all. This doesn't exactly appear like guilt-ridden attitude.
6th Jan '17 8:08:23 AM SeptimusHeap
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** The, ah, [[FreudWasRight 'spearing' of a mother pig]].
15th Dec '16 7:44:17 AM BunnyStar
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* WaifProphet: Simon

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* WaifProphet: SimonSimon is a male example.
13th Dec '16 12:14:00 PM MegaMarioMan
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* BigNo: Ralph's reaction to [[spoiler: Piggy before he's about to be killed by a rock, dropped by Roger,]] in the 90's remake.

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* BigNo: Ralph's reaction to [[spoiler: Piggy [[spoiler:Piggy before he's about to be killed by a rock, dropped by Roger,]] in the 90's remake.



* BreakThemByTalking: [[spoiler: Done by the Lord of the Flies to Simon about human nature and law of the jungle and stuff.]]

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* BreakThemByTalking: [[spoiler: Done [[spoiler:Done by the Lord of the Flies to Simon about human nature and law of the jungle and stuff.]]



** At the end, when [[spoiler: the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.

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** At the end, when [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.



* DeusExMachina: [[spoiler: Ralph is rescued by the Royal Navy at the last minute]], effectively out of the blue. This was intentional, as the Naval Officer is important in rounding off the themes of the story; and the sudden abruptness with which he appears, with absolutely no foreshadowing, is crucial to highlighting the rapidity with which the appearance of an authority can change everything.

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* DeusExMachina: [[spoiler: Ralph [[spoiler:Ralph is rescued by the Royal Navy at the last minute]], effectively out of the blue. This was intentional, as the Naval Officer is important in rounding off the themes of the story; and the sudden abruptness with which he appears, with absolutely no foreshadowing, is crucial to highlighting the rapidity with which the appearance of an authority can change everything.



* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner and torturor.
* DyingForSymbolism: Two incidents mark milestones in the makeshift society's descent into barbarism

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* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner and torturor.
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* DyingForSymbolism: Two incidents mark milestones in the makeshift society's descent into barbarismbarbarism.



** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.

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** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s [[spoiler:Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.



* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] [[spoiler:Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: In hindsight, [[spoiler: the arrival of the Royal Navy]] at the book's climax is predicted early in the book, though none present could have guessed the circumstances under which that would happen.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: In hindsight, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the arrival of the Royal Navy]] at the book's climax is predicted early in the book, though none present could have guessed the circumstances under which that would happen.



** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]
* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Jack and his choir [[spoiler: and eventually almost every boy on the island]] turn into savage beasts in their obsession with killing the beast.

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** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like [[spoiler:like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's [[spoiler:Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]
* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Jack and his choir [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and eventually almost every boy on the island]] turn into savage beasts in their obsession with killing the beast.



* {{Irony}}: Ralph wants to keep the fire lit to attract rescue. Jack wants the fire snuffed out so their fun won't end. [[spoiler: Jack [[NiceJobFixingItVillain manages to draw the attention of the Royal Navy]] by setting fire to the entire island in an attempt to [[KillItWithFire kill Ralph]]. It is implied that they wouldn't have noticed the island at all otherwise.]]

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* {{Irony}}: Ralph wants to keep the fire lit to attract rescue. Jack wants the fire snuffed out so their fun won't end. [[spoiler: Jack [[spoiler:Jack [[NiceJobFixingItVillain manages to draw the attention of the Royal Navy]] by setting fire to the entire island in an attempt to [[KillItWithFire kill Ralph]]. It is implied that they wouldn't have noticed the island at all otherwise.]]



* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to participating in [[spoiler: Simon's kill in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright murdering Piggy]].

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* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to participating in [[spoiler: Simon's [[spoiler:Simon's kill in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright [[spoiler:outright murdering Piggy]].



* KillTheCutie: [[spoiler: Simon and Piggy.]]

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* KillTheCutie: [[spoiler: Simon [[spoiler:Simon and Piggy.]]



* MurderByMistake: [[spoiler: Simon's death at the hands of the other boys.]]

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* MurderByMistake: [[spoiler: Simon's [[spoiler:Simon's death at the hands of the other boys.]]



* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack sets the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack sets the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts [[spoiler:attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]



* OhCrap: Ralph, upon seeing [[spoiler: Sam and Eric fighting each other]], realizes how screwed his order is.

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* OhCrap: Ralph, upon seeing [[spoiler: Sam [[spoiler:Sam and Eric fighting each other]], realizes how screwed his order is.



* PsychicNosebleed: Simon and his [[spoiler: feverish confrontation/hallucination with the pig's head.]]

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* PsychicNosebleed: Simon and his [[spoiler: feverish [[spoiler:feverish confrontation/hallucination with the pig's head.]]
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