History Literature / LordOfTheFlies

27th Sep '16 11:25:54 PM mzytryck01
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.


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* NotSoDifferent: All the boys (except [[MessianicArchetype Simon]],) show great potential for cruelty, sadism and tendency to unite with each other by bullying the vulnerable. Ralph takes out his frustrations on Piggy several times, and Piggy joins in the other boys in denigrating Simon when he tries to point out that maybe the Beast is an EnemyWithin, despite it being exactly the sort of thoughtful point he gets mocked for making himself. However, rather than depicting them as nasty hypocrites who are little better than Jack or Roger, the book uses this to show that every person, no matter how admirable they usually are, suffers from similar weaknesses.
27th Sep '16 2:53:09 PM mzytryck01
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%%* ActingYourIntellectualAge: Piggy.

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%%* * ActingYourIntellectualAge: Piggy.Zigzagged with Piggy. As the most intellectual member of the group, Piggy often comes across as an adult in a child's body and thinks the others are acting like "a bunch of kids", but the fact that he is still a child with a lack of control over his own emotions is obvious when he allows his indignation to take him on unimpressive rants that makes him increasingly unpopular, and he is unable to accept that, in the eyes of the group, his points are undermined by the fact that he's the one making them, and makes them less likely to listen to Ralph, who could make the same point in a more persuasive way.



* AntiIntellectualism: With the exception of Ralph and Piggy, making a strong logical argument tends to be the quickest way to lose your audience when the oldest among them is fourteen, until eventually even trying to do so is an automatic failure; when Jack completely splits from Ralph, the most damning condemnation he can think of is that Ralph is "like Piggy. He says things like Piggy" and this may indeed have been what convinces so many people to join him.
** The book itself looks at both sides; while firmly in favour of civilisation itself, it is clear from the beginning that Piggy, the most intellectual, never has a chance of being leader and Ralph, the second-best in terms of intelligence, is actually the best candidate. Ralph also notes repeatedly that being able to think about what they should do is no use to anyone if you don't have the strength and charisma to make it happen.



** In the book, when Jack completely splits from Ralph, Ralph calls after him one more time. Jack, with tears of humiliation in his eyes and his voice tight with fury, shrieks this in reply, both to Ralph and by extension to civilisation and decency in general.



* CatchPhrase: Ralph with 'sucks to your assmar''.

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** Averted with other characters, though, as both Jack and Ralph (in a more benevolent way,) try to cow dissenters to their point of view with words at first, but their listeners [[TooDumbToFool tend to lack the mental sophistication to be argued with]], and the increasing loss of words and articulacy is one of the clearest signs of their collapsing civilisation.
* CatchPhrase: Ralph with 'sucks to your assmar''.ass-mar''.



** At the end, when [[spoiler: the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.



* DisasterDemocracy
* TheDividual: Sam and Eric, who are commonly referred to with one name (Samneric) and are recognized as one person in the assembly.

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* DisasterDemocracy
DisasterDemocracy: They try something like this at first. Ralph is the chief, with some level of dictatorial power that he seldom uses, but he is put there by the consent of the group.
* TheDividual: Sam and Eric, who are commonly referred to with one name (Samneric) and are recognized as one person in the assembly. The silliness of this gets mentioned late in the book by Piggy, who notes that they take one shift at keeping the fire lit, even though they should split up and take two.



* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner.

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* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner.executioner and torturor.



** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.

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** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization.civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.



* GenreSavvy: Ralph describes being on an island "Like a book." Which causes many of the littluns to name out titles such as "Treasure Island" and similar stories.

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* GenreSavvy: Ralph describes being on an island "Like a book." Which causes many of the littluns to name out titles such as "Treasure Island" and similar stories. Just how WrongGenreSavvy they are about this becomes increasingly apparent as the book goes on.



** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless.]]

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** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
23rd Sep '16 6:59:02 PM stuffedninja
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-->-- '''Repeated line''', ''Lord of the Flies''

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-->-- '''Repeated line''', ''Lord of the Flies''
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14th Jul '16 6:31:09 PM MEWtiful
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14th Jul '16 11:33:24 AM lady_peaseblossom
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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In the book, TheHero Ralph is described as fair-haired, athletic, charismatic and handsome; RivalTurnedEvil Jack is red-haired, with freckles and ugly. The movie averts this. Jack is a perfectly pleasant-looking boy.

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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In the book, TheHero Ralph is described as fair-haired, athletic, charismatic and handsome; RivalTurnedEvil Jack is red-haired, a redhead with freckles and ugly.is "ugly without silliness". The movie averts this. Jack is a perfectly pleasant-looking boy.
9th Jul '16 11:18:28 PM fortz64
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**Piggy, also, with "I've got the conch!"
2nd Jun '16 12:46:19 AM Morgenthaler
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* BlondeGuysAreEvil: {{Averted}} in the book where Ralph is described as fair-haired. {{Played straight}} in both movies where Ralph has dark hair while Jack is the one who is fair-haired.
2nd May '16 3:23:01 AM Fireblood
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* FriendToAllLivingThings: Simon is the only boy who enjoys the island as a natural paradise and adopts a lizard as pet. Even, he makes a little "HappyPlace" to himself in the more nature-beautiful side of the woods that represents his innate good nature and innocence. [[spoiler:The sow's head placed later represents how evil has started to contaminate.]]

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* FriendToAllLivingThings: Simon is the only boy who enjoys the island as a natural paradise and adopts a lizard as pet. Even, he He even makes a little "HappyPlace" to for himself in the more nature-beautiful side of the woods that represents his innate good nature and innocence. [[spoiler:The sow's head placed later represents how evil has started to contaminate.]]



** Ralph and Piggy can't get the boys to work together for their own good when faced against the savage impulses that Jack champions, Simon, TheHeart, spends all his time alone until he has an epiphany about "the monster" and is unable to tell the others about it, and in subtle but telling passage, when the twins, the last boys who support Ralph and Piggy, are bound by Jack and the others, the text describes their meager protests as "protested out of the heart of civilization" with lines like "Oh, I say!" and the like. This is contrasted with the brutal directnesss and action of Jack and his followers, and how easily it overwhelms the good.

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** Ralph and Piggy can't get the boys to work together for their own good when faced against the savage impulses that Jack champions, Simon, TheHeart, spends all his time alone until he has an epiphany about "the monster" and is unable to tell the others about it, and in a subtle but telling passage, when the twins, the last boys who support Ralph and Piggy, are bound by Jack and the others, the text describes their meager protests as "protested out of the heart of civilization" with lines like "Oh, I say!" and the like. This is contrasted with the brutal directnesss directness and action of Jack and his followers, and how easily it overwhelms the good.



* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team, find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]

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* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team, team find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]



* HobbesWasRight: Could be considered to be an example of this trope, but it could also be considered to simply be an example of a CrapsackWorld setting implying that government and anarchy are both bound to fail given that it starts with a wartime evacuation and ends with the boys being rescued by a naval warship, thereby subtly implying that even "civilised" society is not actually any better. The book is accessible to several critical interpretations.

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* HobbesWasRight: Could be considered to be an example of this trope, but it could also be considered to simply be an example of a CrapsackWorld setting implying that government and anarchy are both bound to fail given that it starts with a wartime evacuation and ends with the boys being rescued by a naval warship, thereby subtly implying that even "civilised" "civilized" society is not actually any better. The book is accessible to several critical interpretations.



* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack has the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack has sets the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]



* PsychoSupporter: Roger

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* PsychoSupporter: RogerRoger.
2nd May '16 3:12:51 AM Fireblood
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* AnyoneCanDie: It's far from pretty. From within the adventure on the island several characters do not survive regardless how much focus they get in the narrative.

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* AnyoneCanDie: It's far from pretty. From within the adventure on the island several characters do not survive regardless of how much focus they get in the narrative.



* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In the book, TheHero Ralph is described as fair-haired, athletic, charismatic and handsome; RivalTurnedEvil Jack is redhaired, with freckles and ugly. The movie averts this. Jack is a perfectly pleasant looking boy.

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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In the book, TheHero Ralph is described as fair-haired, athletic, charismatic and handsome; RivalTurnedEvil Jack is redhaired, red-haired, with freckles and ugly. The movie averts this. Jack is a perfectly pleasant looking pleasant-looking boy.



* BlondeGuysAreEvil: Averted in the book where Ralph is described as fair haired. Played straight in both movies where Ralph has dark hair while Jack is the one who is fair haired.

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* BlondeGuysAreEvil: Averted {{Averted}} in the book where Ralph is described as fair haired. Played straight fair-haired. {{Played straight}} in both movies where Ralph has dark hair while Jack is the one who is fair haired.fair-haired.
1st May '16 5:09:16 AM Homemaderat
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%%* AnyoneCanDie: And it's far from pretty.

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%%* * AnyoneCanDie: And it's It's far from pretty.pretty. From within the adventure on the island several characters do not survive regardless how much focus they get in the narrative.



%%* BreakTheCutie: All the kids to some extent. [[spoiler:In the case of Piggy and Simon, KillTheCutie.]]

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%%* * BreakTheCutie: All the kids to some extent.extent given what they go through on the island. [[spoiler:In the case of Piggy and Simon, KillTheCutie.]]
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