History Literature / LordOfTheFlies

6th Jan '17 8:08:23 AM SeptimusHeap
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** The, ah, [[FreudWasRight 'spearing' of a mother pig]].
15th Dec '16 7:44:17 AM BunnyStar
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* WaifProphet: Simon

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* WaifProphet: SimonSimon is a male example.
13th Dec '16 12:14:00 PM MegaMarioMan
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* BigNo: Ralph's reaction to [[spoiler: Piggy before he's about to be killed by a rock, dropped by Roger,]] in the 90's remake.

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* BigNo: Ralph's reaction to [[spoiler: Piggy [[spoiler:Piggy before he's about to be killed by a rock, dropped by Roger,]] in the 90's remake.



* BreakThemByTalking: [[spoiler: Done by the Lord of the Flies to Simon about human nature and law of the jungle and stuff.]]

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* BreakThemByTalking: [[spoiler: Done [[spoiler:Done by the Lord of the Flies to Simon about human nature and law of the jungle and stuff.]]



** At the end, when [[spoiler: the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.

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** At the end, when [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.



* DeusExMachina: [[spoiler: Ralph is rescued by the Royal Navy at the last minute]], effectively out of the blue. This was intentional, as the Naval Officer is important in rounding off the themes of the story; and the sudden abruptness with which he appears, with absolutely no foreshadowing, is crucial to highlighting the rapidity with which the appearance of an authority can change everything.

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* DeusExMachina: [[spoiler: Ralph [[spoiler:Ralph is rescued by the Royal Navy at the last minute]], effectively out of the blue. This was intentional, as the Naval Officer is important in rounding off the themes of the story; and the sudden abruptness with which he appears, with absolutely no foreshadowing, is crucial to highlighting the rapidity with which the appearance of an authority can change everything.



* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner and torturor.
* DyingForSymbolism: Two incidents mark milestones in the makeshift society's descent into barbarism

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* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner and torturor.
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* DyingForSymbolism: Two incidents mark milestones in the makeshift society's descent into barbarismbarbarism.



** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.

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** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s [[spoiler:Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.



* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] [[spoiler:Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: In hindsight, [[spoiler: the arrival of the Royal Navy]] at the book's climax is predicted early in the book, though none present could have guessed the circumstances under which that would happen.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: In hindsight, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the arrival of the Royal Navy]] at the book's climax is predicted early in the book, though none present could have guessed the circumstances under which that would happen.



** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]
* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Jack and his choir [[spoiler: and eventually almost every boy on the island]] turn into savage beasts in their obsession with killing the beast.

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** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
* HalfHeartedHenchman: Some of those who join Jack's side only do so out of fear of being killed by him. Piggy even suggests to Ralph (when they're the only ones left of their team) that they might as well join him too or else they'll get killed [[spoiler: like [[spoiler:like Simon was.]] Later on in the book, when [[spoiler: Jack's [[spoiler:Jack's group murdered Piggy and is searching for Ralph to kill him too, the twins who were formerly on Ralph's team find him, but they don't blow his cover since they don't want to kill him, and never wanted to in the first place.]]
* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Jack and his choir [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and eventually almost every boy on the island]] turn into savage beasts in their obsession with killing the beast.



* {{Irony}}: Ralph wants to keep the fire lit to attract rescue. Jack wants the fire snuffed out so their fun won't end. [[spoiler: Jack [[NiceJobFixingItVillain manages to draw the attention of the Royal Navy]] by setting fire to the entire island in an attempt to [[KillItWithFire kill Ralph]]. It is implied that they wouldn't have noticed the island at all otherwise.]]

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* {{Irony}}: Ralph wants to keep the fire lit to attract rescue. Jack wants the fire snuffed out so their fun won't end. [[spoiler: Jack [[spoiler:Jack [[NiceJobFixingItVillain manages to draw the attention of the Royal Navy]] by setting fire to the entire island in an attempt to [[KillItWithFire kill Ralph]]. It is implied that they wouldn't have noticed the island at all otherwise.]]



* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to participating in [[spoiler: Simon's kill in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright murdering Piggy]].

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* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to participating in [[spoiler: Simon's [[spoiler:Simon's kill in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright [[spoiler:outright murdering Piggy]].



* KillTheCutie: [[spoiler: Simon and Piggy.]]

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* KillTheCutie: [[spoiler: Simon [[spoiler:Simon and Piggy.]]



* MurderByMistake: [[spoiler: Simon's death at the hands of the other boys.]]

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* MurderByMistake: [[spoiler: Simon's [[spoiler:Simon's death at the hands of the other boys.]]



* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack sets the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Jack sets the entire island on fire to kill Ralph, but the massive amount of smoke [[spoiler: attracts [[spoiler:attracts a Naval ship, which Ralph and Piggy have been awaiting the whole book long.]]



* OhCrap: Ralph, upon seeing [[spoiler: Sam and Eric fighting each other]], realizes how screwed his order is.

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* OhCrap: Ralph, upon seeing [[spoiler: Sam [[spoiler:Sam and Eric fighting each other]], realizes how screwed his order is.



* PsychicNosebleed: Simon and his [[spoiler: feverish confrontation/hallucination with the pig's head.]]

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* PsychicNosebleed: Simon and his [[spoiler: feverish [[spoiler:feverish confrontation/hallucination with the pig's head.]]
10th Dec '16 9:49:32 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* TakeThat: To ''TheCoralIsland''.

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* TakeThat: To ''TheCoralIsland''.''TheCoralIsland'' at the end.
10th Nov '16 10:36:25 PM coraline94
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* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to leading the boys in [[spoiler: killing Simon in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright murdering Piggy]].

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* ItGetsEasier: Roger escalates from hitting "littluns" with rocks to leading the boys participating in [[spoiler: killing Simon Simon's kill in mass hysteria]] to [[spoiler: outright murdering Piggy]].
27th Oct '16 3:48:21 AM morenohijazo
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* IsleOfGiantHorrors: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]]. Most of the boys think there is a physical beast and by the end of the book start to almost worship it, but there is no "real" beast. The idea of the beast is actually used to represent of humanity's innate evil.
27th Sep '16 11:25:54 PM mzytryck01
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Jack does have the capacity for guilt and shame for some of his KickTheDog actions, though he buries his guilt with anger, making him likely to KickTheDog again. One example of this is after the first hunt, he leaves Piggy without any food at first as a display of dominance (while intending to give him some eventually), but then, when Piggy asks him about it and brings the issue into the open, he flatly refuses to give him any. However, when Simon gives Piggy his share, Jack's deteriorating conscience still won't let the unselfish Simon go without, so he gives him more, and then furiously shouts at Simon to eat it. Also, he is as shocked by the accidental killing of [[spoiler: Simon]] as all the others, and his shouting at Roger after [[spoiler: he kills Piggy]] for something unrelated could suggest he actually was horrified by what happened, and was trying to find some other excuse to be angry.


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* NotSoDifferent: All the boys (except [[MessianicArchetype Simon]],) show great potential for cruelty, sadism and tendency to unite with each other by bullying the vulnerable. Ralph takes out his frustrations on Piggy several times, and Piggy joins in the other boys in denigrating Simon when he tries to point out that maybe the Beast is an EnemyWithin, despite it being exactly the sort of thoughtful point he gets mocked for making himself. However, rather than depicting them as nasty hypocrites who are little better than Jack or Roger, the book uses this to show that every person, no matter how admirable they usually are, suffers from similar weaknesses.
27th Sep '16 2:53:09 PM mzytryck01
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%%* ActingYourIntellectualAge: Piggy.

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%%* * ActingYourIntellectualAge: Piggy.Zigzagged with Piggy. As the most intellectual member of the group, Piggy often comes across as an adult in a child's body and thinks the others are acting like "a bunch of kids", but the fact that he is still a child with a lack of control over his own emotions is obvious when he allows his indignation to take him on unimpressive rants that makes him increasingly unpopular, and he is unable to accept that, in the eyes of the group, his points are undermined by the fact that he's the one making them, and makes them less likely to listen to Ralph, who could make the same point in a more persuasive way.



* AntiIntellectualism: With the exception of Ralph and Piggy, making a strong logical argument tends to be the quickest way to lose your audience when the oldest among them is fourteen, until eventually even trying to do so is an automatic failure; when Jack completely splits from Ralph, the most damning condemnation he can think of is that Ralph is "like Piggy. He says things like Piggy" and this may indeed have been what convinces so many people to join him.
** The book itself looks at both sides; while firmly in favour of civilisation itself, it is clear from the beginning that Piggy, the most intellectual, never has a chance of being leader and Ralph, the second-best in terms of intelligence, is actually the best candidate. Ralph also notes repeatedly that being able to think about what they should do is no use to anyone if you don't have the strength and charisma to make it happen.



** In the book, when Jack completely splits from Ralph, Ralph calls after him one more time. Jack, with tears of humiliation in his eyes and his voice tight with fury, shrieks this in reply, both to Ralph and by extension to civilisation and decency in general.



* CatchPhrase: Ralph with 'sucks to your assmar''.

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** Averted with other characters, though, as both Jack and Ralph (in a more benevolent way,) try to cow dissenters to their point of view with words at first, but their listeners [[TooDumbToFool tend to lack the mental sophistication to be argued with]], and the increasing loss of words and articulacy is one of the clearest signs of their collapsing civilisation.
* CatchPhrase: Ralph with 'sucks to your assmar''.ass-mar''.



** At the end, when [[spoiler: the mere presence of an adult stops their murderous battle instantly]], it is shown that actually they haven't matured at all, and they are all still children with an instinctive deference to authority.



* DisasterDemocracy
* TheDividual: Sam and Eric, who are commonly referred to with one name (Samneric) and are recognized as one person in the assembly.

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* DisasterDemocracy
DisasterDemocracy: They try something like this at first. Ralph is the chief, with some level of dictatorial power that he seldom uses, but he is put there by the consent of the group.
* TheDividual: Sam and Eric, who are commonly referred to with one name (Samneric) and are recognized as one person in the assembly. The silliness of this gets mentioned late in the book by Piggy, who notes that they take one shift at keeping the fire lit, even though they should split up and take two.



* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner.

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* TheDragon: Roger becomes this to Jack as his tribe's executioner.executioner and torturor.



** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.

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** [[spoiler: Piggy]]'s death, after he makes a moral stand for order and unity, marks the complete collapse of civilization.civilization, symbolised by the shattering of the conch. Sam and Eric are captured, and Ralph is left helpless and alone.



* GenreSavvy: Ralph describes being on an island "Like a book." Which causes many of the littluns to name out titles such as "Treasure Island" and similar stories.

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* GenreSavvy: Ralph describes being on an island "Like a book." Which causes many of the littluns to name out titles such as "Treasure Island" and similar stories. Just how WrongGenreSavvy they are about this becomes increasingly apparent as the book goes on.



** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless.]]

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** Piggy more or less symbolizes this. He is the only one who keeps any kind of straight mind, but his severe physical handicaps and his own nerdiness prevent him from asserting these ideals. [[spoiler: And when his glasses are stolen from him, it symbolizes the collapse of order as he is left helpless. The fact that he then acts as a standard-bearer for the conch while having to be led by TheLeader and flanked by the twins with spears suggests that civilisation is useless without the vision to go forward and the ability to defend itself.]]
23rd Sep '16 6:59:02 PM stuffedninja
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-->-- '''Repeated line''', ''Lord of the Flies''

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-->-- '''Repeated line''', ''Lord of the Flies''
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14th Jul '16 6:31:09 PM MEWtiful
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