History Literature / LordOfTheFlies

14th Jan '18 11:44:11 AM CyokieRevott
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** The scene early in the book when Jack and Ralph are getting embarrassed about having to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together. Probably an AccidentalInnuendo on William Golding's part, though, if his comments about not intentionally including anything about sexuality in the book are to be believed.



** The scene where the kids reenact this, using Robert as a replacement pig, is even worse, what with lines like "Ralph too was fighting to get near, to get a handful of that brown, vulnerable flesh."

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** *** The scene where the kids reenact this, using Robert as a replacement pig, is even worse, what with lines like "Ralph too was fighting to get near, to get a handful of that brown, vulnerable flesh."
29th Nov '17 1:05:33 PM CyokieRevott
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** And likely Jack, after a while. It's clear he didn't arrive on the island as a sociopath, but it seems his psyche eventually descended into sociopathy.
29th Nov '17 12:49:34 PM CyokieRevott
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** A very possible explanation for this is that Jack arrived on the island already emotionally unstable but still with standards, and his time on the island without order or security allowed him to quickly descend into sociopathy.
30th Aug '17 10:54:13 PM KingClark
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* AntiIntellectualism: With the exception of Ralph and Piggy, making a strong logical argument tends to be the quickest way to lose your audience when the oldest among them is fourteen, until eventually even trying to do so is an automatic failure; when Jack completely splits from Ralph, the most damning condemnation he can think of is that Ralph is "like Piggy. He says things like Piggy" and this may indeed have been what convinces so many people to join him.

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With the exception of Ralph and Piggy, making a strong logical argument tends to be the quickest way to lose your audience when the oldest among them is fourteen, until eventually even trying to do so is an automatic failure; when Jack completely splits from Ralph, the most damning condemnation he can think of is that Ralph is "like Piggy. He says things like Piggy" and this may indeed have been what convinces so many people to join him.
30th Aug '17 7:32:29 PM ooh
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It's had [[TheFilmOfTheBook three cinematic adaptations]] (a British one in 1963, an American one in 1990, and a little-known Filipino adaptation called ''Alkitrang dugo'' in 1975 that had boys ''and'' girls) and is referenced and parodied in various media. It is very popular for [[SchoolStudyMedia English Literature assignments]] in HighSchool on both sides of the Pond and [[LandDownUnder Down Under]], thanks to its themes about morality and authority, and its symbolism, which is extremely easy to spot, but open to many different interpretations.

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It's had [[TheFilmOfTheBook three cinematic adaptations]] (a British one in 1963, an American one in 1990, and a little-known Filipino adaptation called ''Alkitrang dugo'' in 1975 that had boys ''and'' girls) and girls, and an American all-female version was announced in 2017) and is referenced and parodied in various media. It is very popular for [[SchoolStudyMedia English Literature assignments]] in HighSchool on both sides of the Pond and [[LandDownUnder Down Under]], thanks to its themes about morality and authority, and its symbolism, which is extremely easy to spot, but open to many different interpretations.
17th Jul '17 5:38:16 PM pyroclastic
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* BlowThatHorn: Ralph and Piggy sound a conch shell to gather the boys together. [[spoiler: The eventual crushing of the shell alongside Piggy symbolizes the descent into savagery of the boys]].
23rd Jun '17 4:35:41 AM NightShade96
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* SceneryDissonance: Type 1. The novel takes place on a paradise island, and is about a group of schoolchildren growing increasingly savage and inhuman after losing contact with the civilized world.
9th Jun '17 12:58:38 AM 3rdStringPG
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** Averted in the Filipino adaptation ''Alkitrang Dugo'', where the characters are male and female students (equivalent of junior high in the U.S.) who were on their way to compete in an athletic meet.
16th Apr '17 9:50:59 AM Owlorange1995
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* AdaptationalBadass: In the 1993 film, the boys are recruits from military school. Therefore, they are able to adapt to the island much better than their book counterparts.
16th Apr '17 12:26:37 AM coraline94
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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all.

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** This is an interpretation that still doesn't explain his vicious desire to pursue and kill Ralph after everything that happened. If he'd felt as horrified and guilty as some readers consider, he wouldn't have so strongly wanted to finish Ralph off. His guilt for Simon's murder is not anywhere suggested in the book, and his hesitation after Roger kills Piggy might be explained as surprise at Roger briefly surpassing him in power. He immediately tries to reestablish his authority after by trying to murder Ralph and finish this personal quest by burning the entire island in order to find Ralph and end him once and for all. So his [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]] aren't clearly yet defined.
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