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5th May '17 12:40:32 PM SuddenFrost
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** In ''Destiny's Forge'', Pouncer's mother was named [[WesternAnimation/StarTrekTheAnimatedSeries M'Ress]], and his mate is named [[Creator/CordwainerSmith C'Mell]].
2nd May '17 7:32:12 PM SuddenFrost
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* WholePlotReference: Paul Chafe's Man-Kzin Wars novel ''Destiny's Forge'' is basically a retelling of ''Literature/{{Dune}}, with Pouncer, First-Son of Patriarch Meerz-Rrit, as Paul Atreides, Tzaatz Pride as House Harkonnen, the ''czrav'', low-tech jungle-dwelling kzinti, as the Fremen, and sthondat lymph as the Water of Life.

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* WholePlotReference: Paul Chafe's Man-Kzin Wars novel ''Destiny's Forge'' is basically a retelling of ''Literature/{{Dune}}, ''Literature/{{Dune}}'', with Pouncer, First-Son of Patriarch Meerz-Rrit, as Paul Atreides, Tzaatz Pride as House Harkonnen, the ''czrav'', low-tech jungle-dwelling kzinti, as the Fremen, and sthondat [[spoiler:sthondat lymph as the Water of Life.]]
2nd May '17 7:26:11 PM SuddenFrost
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* ''Destiny's Forge'' by Paul Chafe



* WhatMightHaveBeen: The collection ''N-Space'' includes the essay "Down In Flames", where Niven describes the [[TorchTheFranchiseAndRun violent end]] he once planned for Known Space, before creating the Ringworld and finding that far more interesting.

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* WhatMightHaveBeen: The collection ''N-Space'' includes the essay "Down In Flames", where Niven describes the [[TorchTheFranchiseAndRun violent end]] he once planned for Known Space, before creating the Ringworld ''Literature/{{Ringworld}}'' and finding that far more interesting.interesting.
* WholePlotReference: Paul Chafe's Man-Kzin Wars novel ''Destiny's Forge'' is basically a retelling of ''Literature/{{Dune}}, with Pouncer, First-Son of Patriarch Meerz-Rrit, as Paul Atreides, Tzaatz Pride as House Harkonnen, the ''czrav'', low-tech jungle-dwelling kzinti, as the Fremen, and sthondat lymph as the Water of Life.
22nd Apr '17 9:17:49 PM Theriocephalus
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** Until a dozen or so wars wipes out the most dangerous of them, Kzinti are too aggressive to deal with diplomatically.

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** Until a dozen or so four wars wipes wipe out the most dangerous of them, Kzinti are too aggressive to deal with diplomatically.



** Thrintun were called "Slavers", and wiped out nearly all intelligent life in the galaxy, rather than lose a war with their slaves. Of course, this is not ''just'' bastardry--apparently, the Thrintun were also so ''stupid'' and unimaginative that wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy seemed like a good idea at the time.
** Tnuctipun, said slaves, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrintun and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrintun were sore losers.
** The Pak [[AncientAstronauts may not count]], but they're still pathologically incapable of peace. A Protector ''will'' screw over any allies it has when it sees a benefit to its family to do so; they're genetically hardwired into doing it.

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** Thrintun were called "Slavers", and wiped out nearly all intelligent life in the galaxy, galaxy rather than lose a war with their slaves. Of course, this is not ''just'' bastardry--apparently, the Thrintun were also so ''stupid'' and unimaginative that wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy seemed like a good idea to them at the time.
** Tnuctipun, said slaves, one of the Thrintun's slave species, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrintun and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrintun were sore losers.
** The Pak [[AncientAstronauts may not count]], but they're still are pathologically incapable of peace. A Protector ''will'' screw over any allies it has when it sees a benefit to its family to do so; they're genetically hardwired into doing it.



* AliensSpeakingEnglish: It occurs in Known Space, but is always [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in one way or another.
** Rather than English, it's Interworld. The sentiment is the same since humans developed Interworld, ensuring that humans have the easiest time pronouncing the language...
* AllCrimesAreEqual: At one point in the history of KnownSpace, almost every crime is punishable by death, including multiple traffic tickets. The reason is due to the perfection of organ transplant technology. Once the government adopted "involuntary organ donation" as its official means of execution, all state executions are done in hospitals, and people started voting to make more and more crimes capital crimes to keep up with the demand for transplant material. This results in a massive, irreversible change in Earth's culture, as in Niven's universe, psychology is more nature than nurture; violence, deception and greed have a genetic basis that organ harvesting weeded out of the population, along with a great deal of humanity's self-preservation, self-motivation and self-interest. After a few generations of this, "flatlanders" are [[ActualPacifist pacifistic]], [[ExtremeDoormat completely obedient to authority]], and [[AntiIntellectualism rather stupid]]. This system collapses when artificial organs become cheap and effective, and by the year 3000, the organ-based death penalty laws have vanished, but the cultural impact was pretty much permanent.
** In the novel ''A Gift From Earth'', the government of the planet Plateau is propped up by the fact that the Crew (the "noble" class) control all the medical technology on the planet, including the organ banks (which not only use the organ banks to punish regular criminals, they also "punish" dissidents, "political" offenders, and the merely inconvenient as well), and thus have ultimate power over the Colonists (the "peasantry").

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* AliensSpeakingEnglish: It occurs in Known Space, but is always [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in one way or another.
** Rather
another, usually because rather than English, it's Interworld. The sentiment is the same since humans developed Interworld, ensuring that humans have the easiest time pronouncing the language...
* AllCrimesAreEqual: AllCrimesAreEqual:
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At one point in the history of KnownSpace, Known Space, almost every crime is punishable by death, including multiple traffic tickets. The reason is due to the perfection of organ transplant technology. Once the government adopted "involuntary organ donation" as its official means of execution, all state executions are done in hospitals, and people started voting to make more and more crimes capital crimes to keep up with the demand for transplant material. This results in a massive, irreversible change in Earth's culture, as in Niven's universe, psychology is more nature than nurture; violence, deception and greed have a genetic basis that organ harvesting weeded out of the population, along with a great deal of humanity's self-preservation, self-motivation and self-interest. After a few generations of this, "flatlanders" are [[ActualPacifist pacifistic]], [[ExtremeDoormat completely obedient to authority]], and [[AntiIntellectualism rather stupid]]. This system collapses when artificial organs become cheap and effective, and by the year 3000, the organ-based death penalty laws have vanished, but the cultural impact was pretty much permanent.
** In the novel ''A Gift From Earth'', the government of the planet Plateau is propped up by the fact that the Crew (the "noble" class) control all the medical technology on the planet, including the organ banks (which are not only use the organ banks used to punish regular criminals, they but also "punish" dissidents, "political" offenders, and the merely inconvenient as well), and thus have ultimate power over the Colonists (the "peasantry").



* {{Autodoc}}: They pretty much fix anything. The only requirement is someone needs to be alive when they get to it. Most are slightly larger then a big coffin and the person is simply placed inside.
** Here's how good the best autodoc is: [[spoiler: In the framing story of '''Flatlander''', after Beowulf had a huge hole blasted through his chest, his head was cut off and put into Carlos[=' '=]doc. They replaced the mass missing with his assailant's body. This takes him a while to figure out.]]

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* {{Autodoc}}: They pretty much fix anything. The only requirement is someone needs to be alive when they get to it. Most are slightly larger then a big coffin and the person is simply placed inside.
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inside. Here's how good the best autodoc is: [[spoiler: In the framing story of '''Flatlander''', after Beowulf had a huge hole blasted through his chest, his head was cut off and put into Carlos[=' '=]doc. They replaced the mass missing with his assailant's body. This takes him a while to figure out.]]



* BigDumbObject: The phrase was actually coined to describe the {{Ringworld}}.

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* BigDumbObject: The phrase was actually coined to describe the {{Ringworld}}.Literature/{{Ringworld}}.



* BizarreAlienSexes: several.

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* BizarreAlienSexes: several.Several.
15th Apr '17 1:16:35 PM nombretomado
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* ''The Children's Hour'', by SMStirling

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* ''The Children's Hour'', by SMStirlingCreator/SMStirling
17th Mar '17 4:04:24 PM TopQuark
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*** In ''Cathouse'' an ancient female kzin explains that "it was common knowledge that some were planning to breed ''kzinrret'', females, to be no better than pets." According to human records, female kzinti have been brainless and docile since before the two races met and for at possibly forty thousand years before that. Thus, modern kzinrret would not be sapient while ancient, statis-preserved or genetically isolated kzinrret would be.

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*** In ''Cathouse'' by Creator/DeanIng, an ancient female kzin explains that "it was common knowledge that some were planning to breed ''kzinrret'', females, to be no better than pets." According to human records, female kzinti have been brainless and docile since before the two races met and for at possibly least forty thousand years before that. Thus, modern kzinrret would not be sapient while ancient, statis-preserved or genetically isolated kzinrret would be.
17th Mar '17 1:50:44 PM TopQuark
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*** In ''Cathouse'' an ancient female kzin explains that "it was common knowledge that some were planning to breed ''kzinrret'', females, to be no better than pets." According to human records, female kzinti have been brainless and docile since before the two races met and for at possibly forty thousand years before that. Thus, modern kzinrret would not be sapient while ancient, statis-preserved or genetically isolated kzinrret would be.
17th Mar '17 1:25:44 PM TopQuark
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** Tnuctipuns, said slaves, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrintun and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrintun were sore losers.

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** Tnuctipuns, Tnuctipun, said slaves, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrintun and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrintun were sore losers.



** The Peace Corben stories likewise, mostly due to having the Outsiders and Pak be Tnuctipun bioweapons, among numerous lesser continuity gaffes and issues.

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** The Peace Corben stories likewise, mostly due to having the Outsiders and Pak be Tnuctipun Tnuctip bioweapons, among numerous lesser continuity gaffes and issues.
17th Mar '17 1:23:39 PM TopQuark
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* AbusivePrecursors: The Thrint from ''World of Ptavvs''. When their empire fell to a successful slave revolt, they went out in a blaze of spite; using a psionic amplifier to send one last command to every chordate in the galaxy; '''DIE.''' Given that the average IQ of a Thrint is roughly ''80'', they committed suicide at the same time as their slaves without realizing they'd ordered it. It took a billion years for sentient life to evolve from their food yeast -- the source of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia panspermia]] in Known Space -- with the only survivors being the telepathically blind bandersnatchii, which were engineered with mutation-proof genetics and thus remained the same for all that time.

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* AbusivePrecursors: The Thrint Thrintun from ''World of Ptavvs''. When their empire fell to a successful slave revolt, they went out in a blaze of spite; using a psionic amplifier to send one last command to every chordate in the galaxy; '''DIE.''' Given that the average IQ of a Thrint is roughly ''80'', they committed suicide at the same time as their slaves without realizing they'd ordered it. It took a billion years for sentient life to evolve from their food yeast -- the source of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia panspermia]] in Known Space -- with the only survivors being the telepathically blind bandersnatchii, which were engineered with mutation-proof genetics and thus remained the same for all that time.



** Tnuctipuns, said slaves, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrint and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrint were sore losers.

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** Tnuctipuns, said slaves, were superintelligent pack carnivores that considered other intelligent lifeforms to be talking food. Lucky for them, they were fighting the Thrint Thrintun and got to look like good guys. Unlucky for them, the Thrint Thrintun were sore losers.



** All carbon-based life in the entire ''galaxy'' is evolved from the food yeast planted and grown on Thrintun farm-planets. (Thus explaining why the Kzinti can use Humans and other alien species as food animals.) There is one known exception: Gummidgy life has biochemistry so incompatible with other known life that each is fatally toxic to the other. (In ''Ringworld'', Luis Wu mentions a creature called a Reacher tearing a strip of flesh off him and dying when it ate it.) This exception is explained by an explicit mention that the planet formed elsewhere and was sent into orbit around its host star by a massive impact that occurred long after the fall of the Slaver Empire.

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** All carbon-based life in the entire ''galaxy'' is evolved from the food yeast planted and grown on Thrintun Thrint farm-planets. (Thus explaining why the Kzinti can use Humans and other alien species as food animals.) There is one known exception: Gummidgy life has biochemistry so incompatible with other known life that each is fatally toxic to the other. (In ''Ringworld'', Luis Wu mentions a creature called a Reacher tearing a strip of flesh off him and dying when it ate it.) This exception is explained by an explicit mention that the planet formed elsewhere and was sent into orbit around its host star by a massive impact that occurred long after the fall of the Slaver Empire.



* FirstContact: ''Protector'', ''World of Ptavvs'', ''The Warriors'', and ''There Is A Tide'' detail the first contact between Humans and the Pak, Thrint, Kzinti, and Trinocs, respectively.
** Notably, in-universe they don't count the Pak as Contact because Earth is a Pak LostColony, and they don't count the Thrint because the Thrintun in question had literally been on Earth since before the Pak colonized it. (Also, the Thrint species has been otherwise extinct for several billion years)

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* FirstContact: ''Protector'', ''World of Ptavvs'', ''The Warriors'', and ''There Is A Tide'' detail the first contact between Humans and the Pak, Thrint, Thrintun, Kzinti, and Trinocs, respectively.
** Notably, in-universe they don't count the Pak as Contact because Earth is a Pak LostColony, and they don't count the Thrint Thrintun because the Thrintun Thrint in question had literally been on Earth since before the Pak colonized it. (Also, the Thrint species has been otherwise extinct for several billion years)



** Pak Protectors are also immune to Thrintun control, due to their multilobed brain structure. A Thrintun who thinks it's controlling one actually only gets one of the Protector's five brain lobes, reducing its irresistible commands to optional suggestions.

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** Pak Protectors are also immune to Thrintun Thrint control, due to their multilobed brain structure. A Thrintun Thrint who thinks it's controlling one actually only gets one of the Protector's five brain lobes, reducing its irresistible commands to optional suggestions.



** Thrint slavers apparently had several religions, all agreeing that their psychic dominance ability meant they were the chosen of the gods/god. Of course, Thrint are also supposed to be rather dim by human standards - an average IQ of ''80.''

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** Thrint slavers apparently had several religions, all agreeing that their psychic dominance ability meant they were the chosen of the gods/god. Of course, Thrint Thrintun are also supposed to be rather dim by human standards - an average IQ of ''80.''



** Literally so with the Thrint. Once they developed their psychic mind-control powers they lost most of the selection pressure to evolve intelligence any further. Once other intelligent life discovered their world they lost the rest of that pressure, as they could get smarter slaves to think ''for'' them.

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** Literally so with the Thrint.Thrintun. Once they developed their psychic mind-control powers they lost most of the selection pressure to evolve intelligence any further. Once other intelligent life discovered their world they lost the rest of that pressure, as they could get smarter slaves to think ''for'' them.
13th Mar '17 3:44:10 PM morenohijazo
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* EssentialMadness: In Larry Niven's ''Madness Has Its Place'', Jack Strather's megalomania and paranoid schizophrenia make him one of the few men left on Earth with the cojones to actually resist the invading Kzinti.
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