History Literature / IncarnationsOfImmortality

8th Apr '17 7:09:34 PM Ramidel
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* SexIsEvil: Sex outside of marriage is evil, according to the rules God set down. Most of the other characters consider this particular bit of moralism ''stupid'', but God isn't listening.



* TimeStandsStill: Chronos and Thanatos can both do this, though Thanatos only because Chronos lets him.
** Mars can do it as well and its implied that all Incarnations can do it. One of the Office of Time's duties is to allow to the other Incarnations to stop time when it is necessary for them to perform their duties.
*** In fact most of Chronos's job seems to be helping the other Incarnations out when they need to fiddle with some matter of time or another. He does his other main job, making sure time, y'know, ''exists'', just by being in office.
*** As, in fact, do most of the Incarnations. They make sure problems and important jobs are dealt with, and the small things happen automatically.

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* TimeStandsStill: Chronos and Thanatos Any Incarnation can both do this, this in some way, though Thanatos only because Chronos lets him.
** Mars can do it as well and its implied that all Incarnations can do it. One of
ultimately the Office of Time's duties is to allow to the other Incarnations to stop time when it is necessary for them to perform their duties.
*** In fact most of Chronos's job seems to be helping the other Incarnations out when they need to fiddle with some matter of time or another. He does his other main job, making sure time, y'know, ''exists'', just by being in office.
*** As, in fact, do most of the Incarnations. They make sure problems and important jobs are dealt with, and the small things happen automatically.
power derives from Chronos.
8th Apr '17 7:02:59 PM Ramidel
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** Possibly subverted, as both Orlene and Jolie were transformed into a ''specific'' man (the grown version of Orlene's child) to show what his genetic affliction would do to him.

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** Possibly subverted, as both Orlene and Jolie were transformed into a ''specific'' man (the grown version of Orlene's child) to show what his genetic affliction would do to him. [[spoiler: The purpose of this was ultimately to teach Orlene to show compassion even towards rapists, which is relevant to her future role.]]
5th Apr '17 3:06:24 PM toregg
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: In ''Wielding A Red Sword'', Chronos sees that somebody gained the ability to freeze time from advice he got in a dream with assistance from Satan. He references the fact this isn't the first time he's seen that happen. [[spoiler: Since Chronos's tenure in office starts in the future and works his way back, he knows that in ''Being A Green Mother'', Satan uses dreams to trick Orb into falling in love with him.]]
26th Oct '16 7:12:17 PM Ingonyama
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* BigBad: ''Under a Velvet Cloak'' reveals that the Incarnation of Darkness, Erebus, has been working on destroying all of reality for eons, out of a combination of {{Revenge}}, ItAmusedMe, and megalomania. The fact [[spoiler:[[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy he is also Cain]]]] doesn't help either.

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* BigBad: ''Under a Velvet Cloak'' reveals that the Incarnation of Darkness, Erebus, has been working on destroying all of reality for eons, out of a combination of {{Revenge}}, ItAmusedMe, and megalomania. The fact [[spoiler:[[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy [[HistoricalPersonPunchline he is also Cain]]]] Cain]] doesn't help either.
26th Oct '16 7:07:39 PM Ingonyama
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* BigBad: ''Under a Velvet Cloak'' reveals that the Incarnation of Darkness, Erebus, has been working on destroying all of reality for eons, out of a combination of {{Revenge}}, ItAmusedMe, and megalomania.

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* BigBad: ''Under a Velvet Cloak'' reveals that the Incarnation of Darkness, Erebus, has been working on destroying all of reality for eons, out of a combination of {{Revenge}}, ItAmusedMe, and megalomania. The fact [[spoiler:[[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy he is also Cain]]]] doesn't help either.
25th Oct '16 4:33:06 PM Fireblood
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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: In ''Wielding a Red Sword'', Mym says that the closest equivalent to Satan in Hindu terms would be Shiva. In actuality, while Shiva is "the Destroyer", he is also a beloved and heroic deity revered by all Hindus. He's the destroyer ''of evil'', the guy who kills demons, and thus could hardly be more opposite to the traditionally-held image of Satan (As to Satan himself in this series...[[NecessaryEvil it's complicated]]).

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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: In ''Wielding a Red Sword'', Mym says that the closest equivalent to Satan in Hindu terms would be Shiva. In actuality, while Shiva is "the Destroyer", he is also a beloved and heroic deity revered by all Hindus. He's the destroyer ''of evil'', the guy who kills demons, and thus could hardly be more opposite to the traditionally-held image of Satan (As (as to Satan himself in this series...[[NecessaryEvil it's complicated]]).


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* CessationOfExistence: In ''On a Pale Horse'', it's stated that people generally go to an afterlife, but which afterlife depends to some extent on what they believe; one incidental character is a firm atheist who believes that cessation of existence is what happens to everybody when they die, and although he's wrong about the "everybody", it is indeed what happens to ''him''.
3rd Jul '16 9:16:39 PM Doug86
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** Also, some historical events are changed in-series, up to and including [[spoiler: Satan manipulating Chronos into preventing WorldWarII and the Holocaust]].

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** Also, some historical events are changed in-series, up to and including [[spoiler: Satan manipulating Chronos into preventing WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the Holocaust]].



* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: The reason Satan helps out JHVH [[spoiler: by taking down Adolf Hitler, in order to end the persecution of Jews in WorldWarII.]]

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* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: The reason Satan helps out JHVH [[spoiler: by taking down Adolf Hitler, in order to end the persecution of Jews in WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.]]
8th Jun '16 9:23:41 PM Ramidel
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: The moral axis of the universe is dominated by a form of Christian morality laid down in the first century. [[SexIsEvil Sex Is Largely Evil]], bastards are born halfway-damned already by Original Sin, and suicide is seen as grave sin instead of a psychological problem. [[spoiler: The crux of Satan's plan is to get a new God who is as evil as possible by the old standards and has suffered terribly from them while being, in fact, of unimpeachably good character, because that's exactly the kind of woman who can help ''fix'' the world's moral mess.]]
8th Jun '16 9:10:29 PM Ramidel
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* GoodIsNotNice: Thanatos develops a bit of this by ''And Eternity''. It's the nature of his job as Death; he starts referring to children's deaths in callous, technical terminology, like a surgeon who's been in the business for a while.

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* GoodIsNotNice: GoodIsNotNice:
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Thanatos develops a bit of this by ''And Eternity''. It's the nature of his job as Death; he starts referring to children's deaths in callous, technical terminology, like a surgeon who's been in the business for a while.while.
** Lachesis is one of the premier [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] on the side of Good. She's responsible for wrecking Zane's life to the point where he contemplates suicide, because she needs him on the front line against Satan.



* ReroutedFromHeaven: The system for processing souls is rather messed up, due to God slacking off. Zane, the new Death, is unsatisfied with babies going to Purgatory, and manages to get the system adjusted to send them to Heaven instead. Later on, when Parry takes over running hell in ''For Love Of Evil'', he realizes a large portion of souls arriving there don't deserve it, and tries to show them AHellOfATime instead. Eventually he instigates a [[XanatosGambit plan]] to get God replaced.

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* ReroutedFromHeaven: The system for processing souls is rather messed up, due to God slacking off. Zane, the new Death, is unsatisfied with babies going to Purgatory, and manages to get the system adjusted to send them to Heaven instead.instead...only to [[{{Retcon}} learn that he's acting way outside of his authority]]. Later on, when Parry takes over running hell in ''For Love Of Evil'', he realizes a large portion of souls arriving there don't deserve it, and tries to show them AHellOfATime instead. Eventually he instigates a [[XanatosGambit plan]] to get God replaced.


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** Also, at the end of the original book, Death changes the rules for infant souls born in bad situations to send them to Heaven. Later books establish that that is ''not'' within his competence.
4th May '16 7:49:15 PM Ingonyama
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* AuthorAppeal: Piers Anthony has been vocal in the past about his belief that sex between adults and minors isn't really as bad as it's made out to be. This is showcased in ''...And Eternity'' when Vita, a fifteen-year-old prostitute, falls in love with a judge in his fifties and they end up in a sexual relationship. It also appears in the description of the tannana in ''Being A Green Mother'', with girls as young as six performing it and Orlene musing that she can understand why many Gypsy girls are sexually active before puberty even sets in.

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* AuthorAppeal: Piers Anthony has been vocal in the past about his belief that sex between adults and minors isn't really as bad as it's made out to be. This is showcased in ''...And Eternity'' when Vita, a fifteen-year-old prostitute, falls in love with a judge in his fifties and they end up in a sexual relationship. It also appears in the description of the tannana tanana in ''Being A Green Mother'', with girls as young as six performing it and Orlene musing that she can understand why many Gypsy girls are sexually active before puberty even sets in.



* HistoricalRapSheet: Satan engineered the Black Plague by tricking Gaia. He later regretted how far it went, and the experience taught him his responsibility as the [[GodJob Incarnation of Evil]]. Inverted later as he tricks Chronos into averting the Holocaust and World War II as a favor to [=JHVH=] though this costs him his friendship with subsequent Incarnations of Time who till then were the only ones friendly to him.

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* HistoricalRapSheet: Satan engineered the Black Plague by tricking Gaia.Gaea. He later regretted how far it went, and the experience taught him his responsibility as the [[GodJob Incarnation of Evil]]. Inverted later as he tricks Chronos into averting the Holocaust and World War II as a favor to [=JHVH=] though this costs him his friendship with subsequent Incarnations of Time who till then were the only ones friendly to him.



** The Incarnation Of Death, of course. The first book lampshades it with it's title being a paraphrase of the bible: Death rides ''On a Pale Horse''.

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** The Incarnation Of Death, of course. The first book lampshades it with it's its title being a paraphrase of the bible: Bible: Death rides ''On a Pale Horse''.



* MerlinSickness: Chronos. Understandbly, this gets pretty confusing for other characters. In one scene in ''For Love of Evil'', Satan goes to visit Chronos for advice and finds that the new Chronos doesn't like him. When the new Chronos rails on Satan for his various atrocities, Satan has no clue what he's talking about.

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* MerlinSickness: Chronos. Understandbly, Understandably, this gets pretty confusing for other characters. In one scene in ''For Love of Evil'', Satan goes to visit Chronos for advice and finds that the new Chronos doesn't like him. When the new Chronos rails on Satan for his various atrocities, Satan has no clue what he's talking about.



* ReroutedFromHeaven: The system for processing souls is rather messed up, due to God slacking off. Zane, the new Death, is unsatisfied with babies going to Purgatory, and manages to get the system adjusted to send them to Heaven instead. Later on, when Parry takes over running hell in ''For Love Of Evil'', he realizes a large portion of souls arriving there don't deserve it, and tries to show the AHellOfATime instead. Eventually he instigates a {{Plan}} to get God replaced.

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* ReroutedFromHeaven: The system for processing souls is rather messed up, due to God slacking off. Zane, the new Death, is unsatisfied with babies going to Purgatory, and manages to get the system adjusted to send them to Heaven instead. Later on, when Parry takes over running hell in ''For Love Of Evil'', he realizes a large portion of souls arriving there don't deserve it, and tries to show the them AHellOfATime instead. Eventually he instigates a {{Plan}} [[XanatosGambit plan]] to get God replaced.



* {{Retcon}}: Satan in the first four books appeared to be pure, irredeemable evil. In the fifth book, he gets cast more sympathetically, and after that he's a NecessarilyEvil [[PunchClockVillain Punch Clock]] AntiVillain.

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* {{Retcon}}: Satan in the first four books appeared to be pure, irredeemable evil. In the fifth book, he gets cast more sympathetically, and after that he's a NecessarilyEvil [[PunchClockVillain Punch Clock]] AntiVillain. Re-reading the series later thus has some interesting effects, particularly in how the later characterization makes scenes common to all the books look when the reader sees them again from the Incarnations' perspectives.



** On the other hand, atheists ''[[CessationOfExistence disintegrate]]''. But that's what they're expecting, they don't consider it any kind of punishment or bad thing.

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** On the other hand, atheists ''[[CessationOfExistence disintegrate]]''. But that's what they're expecting, so they don't consider it any kind of punishment or bad thing.



* StrictlyFormula: The first five books, to a lesser extent the sixth, follow rather linear path: We are introduced to the soon-to-be-incarnation, who because of some issue related to someone they are in love with, becomes an incarnation (often because they cannot be with the one they love). The new incarnation gets the run down of their office and the office's supporting cast. Meets the other incarnations and Satan. Uncovers Satan's scheme, and narrowly averts it, usually by learning the full extend of their duty as in incarnation usually using it as a bluff or threat against Satan (Death threatens to kill Satan, War threatens to start the end of days before Satan can win, Fate threatens to cut the strands of fate of all of Satan's minions).

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* StrictlyFormula: The first five books, and to a lesser extent the sixth, follow a rather linear path: We are introduced to the soon-to-be-incarnation, who because of some issue related to someone they are in love with, becomes an incarnation (often because they cannot be with the one they love). The new incarnation gets the run down of their office and the office's supporting cast. Meets the other incarnations Incarnations and Satan. Uncovers Satan's scheme, and narrowly averts it, usually by learning the full extend extent of their duty as in incarnation an Incarnation, usually using it as a bluff or threat against Satan (Death threatens to kill Satan, War threatens to start the end of days before Satan can win, Fate threatens to cut the strands of fate of all of Satan's minions).
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