History Literature / IClaudius

16th Jun '17 12:13:25 PM shawnmstewart
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: When Claudius lauds someone's virtue, he means their ''Roman'' virtue. For instance, he approvingly refers to his brother's military campaign which killed a large number of German civilians, and orders additional raids to do the same. He's also fine with slavery and puts a great many people to death.
16th Jun '17 12:12:44 PM shawnmstewart
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: When Claudius lauds someone's virtue, he means their ''Roman'' virtue. For instance, he approvingly refers to his brother's military campaign which killed a large number of German civilians, and orders additional raids to do the same. He's also fine with slavery and puts a great many people to death.
20th May '17 6:26:40 PM Khurzog
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* LoveInterestTraitor: [[spoiler:Messalina]] ends up being this to [[spoiler:Claudius]], eventually trying to overthrow him and put his lover on the throne.

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* LoveInterestTraitor: [[spoiler:Messalina]] ends up being this to [[spoiler:Claudius]], eventually trying to overthrow him and put his her lover on the throne.
20th May '17 6:05:13 PM Khurzog
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* BedTrick: During Tiberius' reign, a rich man falls in love with a married woman who rejects his advances. Knowing she's a devoted worhiper of the goddess Isis, he manages to bed her by pretending to be the god Anubis. This scandal ends up leading to the banishment of the cult from Rome.

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* BedTrick: During Tiberius' reign, a rich man falls in love with a married woman who rejects his advances. Knowing she's a devoted worhiper worshiper of the goddess Isis, he manages to bed her by pretending to be the god Anubis. This scandal ends up leading to the banishment of the cult from Rome.
5th May '17 5:09:29 PM cepion
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* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: Claudius, although it's mostly an act. {{Lampshad|eHanging}}ed by Tiberius.

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* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: Claudius, although it's mostly an act. {{Lampshad|eHanging}}ed by Tiberius.Herod Agrippa.



** After her husband's death, Antonia received a marriage proposal from her friend Flaccus, but turned it down.



** Played straight with Herod Antipas, who marries his niece Herodias out of love and attraction. It should be noted, however, that in the Eastern monarchies of the time, marriages between uncles and nieces were considered normal. Furthermore, Herodias first husband, whom he divorces to marry Antipas, was '''also''' her uncle. John the Baptist preaches against Antipas and Herodias' marriage not because it is incestuous but because he's against her divorce.

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** Played straight with Herod Antipas, who marries his niece Herodias out of love and attraction. It should be noted, however, that in the Eastern monarchies of the time, marriages between uncles and nieces were considered normal. Furthermore, Herodias Herodias' first husband, whom he she divorces to marry Antipas, was '''also''' her uncle. John the Baptist preaches against Antipas and Herodias' marriage not because it is incestuous but because he's against her divorce.


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** During his trial for treason, the prosecutor claims Valerius Asiaticus is this, accusing him of both molesting a couple of young soldiers, and commiting adultery with a married woman, Poppaea.
13th Apr '17 11:37:56 AM DustSnitch
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* {{Jesus}}: A version of Jesus Christ's life is told by Herod Agrippa in a letter to Claudius. Herod considers Jesus to have been a fraud and persecutes his followers, so his view of Jesus's story is somewhat unreliable.


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* PerspectiveFlip: A version of [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} Jesus Christ]]'s life is told by Herod Agrippa in a letter to Claudius. Herod considers Jesus to have been a fraud and persecutes his followers, so his view of Jesus's story is somewhat unreliable.
4th Mar '17 3:39:56 PM Xtifr
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** Parodied in ''I, Claudius'', where Claudius meets historians Livy and Pollio. Pollio criticizes Livy for writing that generals gave rousing speeches before battles, and tells that [[Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar Julius Caesar]] before the decisive battle with UsefulNotes/{{Pompey}} (where Pollio was present) didn't do anything of the sort; instead, he did funny skits involving a radish.

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** Parodied in ''I, Claudius'', where Claudius meets historians Livy and Pollio. Pollio criticizes Livy for writing that generals gave rousing speeches before battles, and tells that [[Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar Julius Caesar]] UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar before the decisive battle with UsefulNotes/{{Pompey}} (where Pollio was present) didn't do anything of the sort; instead, he did funny skits involving a radish.
17th Feb '17 3:49:14 PM Narsil
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* UnwantedSpouse: Claudius and his first wife Urgulanilla, though he says that there's so little feeling between them that he can't even say they were unhappy with each other. When he announces he's divorcing her out of suspicion that she [[spoiler:had her brother's second wife killed and because she had a child with a slave]] she doesn't contest the charges when presented with them. Ironically of all his wives she's the only one who never treats him harshly or tries to manipulate him for her own gain, and outright states in her will that he is not an idiot like everyone else thinks. It's also safe to say that he bears her no ill will either, going out of his way to spare [[spoiler:the child she had with her slave by swapping it with a stillborn baby's body rather than expose it as was his right by law as her slighted husband]].

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* UnwantedSpouse: Claudius and his first wife Urgulanilla, though he says that there's so little feeling between them that he can't even say they were unhappy with each other. When he announces he's divorcing her out of suspicion that she [[spoiler:had her brother's second wife killed and because she had a child with a slave]] for adultery (orchestrated by Sejanus) she doesn't contest the charges when presented with them. Ironically of all his wives she's the only one who never treats him harshly or tries to manipulate him for her own gain, and outright states in her will that he is not an idiot like everyone else thinks. It's also safe to say that he bears her no ill will either, going out of his way to spare [[spoiler:the child she had with her slave by swapping it with a stillborn baby's body rather than illegitimate child; he demands the baby so he can expose it as (as a Roman husband was his right by law as expected to do), but he has a freedman tell her slighted husband]].that if she gives him a reasonably-recent stillbirth (not hard to come by back then) he won't ask questions.
17th Feb '17 3:42:08 PM Narsil
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** In ''Claudius the God'', Claudius gives a similar speech before an important battle in Britain (without a radish though).
* RoyalInbreeding: The Julio-Claudians practice this.

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** In ''Claudius the God'', Claudius gives prepares a similar grand speech in Livy's style before an important battle in Britain Britain; when he finds himself in front of the troops, he forgets it entirely, and comes up with a much more easygoing, jocular speech (without a radish though).
* RoyalInbreeding: The Julio-Claudians practice this. Livia and Augustus had no children of their own, but Livia makes sure that every descendant of Augustus's is married to a descendant of hers. It gets even more pronounced as it goes, with Caligula sleeping with his sisters and Claudius marrying his niece (though in Claudius's case, the marriage is not consummated).
5th Jan '17 3:55:12 PM Narsil
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* PropheciesAreAlwaysRight: In ''Claudius the God'', Claudius is told by Messalina that a prophecy says that her husband is going to die in a month. She uses this to convince him to divorce her (strictly ''pro forma!'') and marry another man. When Claudius realises that it was a plot against him, he sentences that man to death.

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* PropheciesAreAlwaysRight: In ''Claudius the God'', Claudius is told by Messalina that a prophecy says that her husband is going to die in a month. She uses this to convince him to divorce her (strictly ''pro forma!'') and marry her off to another man. When Claudius realises that it was a plot against him, he sentences that man to death.
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