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20th Aug '17 5:39:16 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AdamAndEvePlot: Used in a symbolic way.



* AdamAndEvePlot: Used in a symbolic way.
1st Jul '17 9:12:02 PM Joysweeper
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* UncannyValley: How people in Lyra's world view those humans who don't have daemons. Lyra was about to vomit upon seeing Tony, a victim of the Gobblers, without his daemon, likening it to seeing someone without a face or with their chest open. She eventually got better after visiting Will's world.

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* UncannyValley: How people in Lyra's world view those humans who don't have daemons. Lyra was about to vomit upon seeing Tony, a victim of the Gobblers, without his daemon, likening it to seeing someone without a face or with their chest open. She eventually got better after was struck by seeing Will and uneasy visiting Will's world.his world, but soon concluded that these people kept their daemons on the inside.
28th Jun '17 9:52:31 AM xcountryguy
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** In case you don't feel like digging it up: in ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', an Alpine Chough is [[spoiler:form Satan uses to sneak into Eden.]] [[note]]it was actually a black cormorant in the poem, but the two birds look similar[[/note]]

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** In case you don't feel like digging it up: in ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', an Alpine Chough is the [[spoiler:form Satan uses to sneak into Eden.]] [[note]]it was actually a black cormorant in the poem, but the two birds look similar[[/note]]



** [[spoiler:Albeit, Metatron gets punked by a monkey so . . .]]
*** [[spoiler:A badass evil monkey, universally feared, a snow leopard and two full grown humans ]]
* TheAntiNihilist: the books eventually come down in favor of this, with a touch of FantasticAesop courtesy of Dust. God doesn't give the world meaning, Dust does. Dust is essentially fundamental particles/bosons of conscience, endeavor, knowledge, curiosity, etc., and are created by acts of teaching and learning, ergo...

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** [[spoiler:Albeit, Metatron gets punked by a monkey so . . .]]
*** [[spoiler:A badass evil monkey, universally feared, a snow leopard and two full grown humans ]]
* TheAntiNihilist: the The books eventually come down in favor of this, with a touch of FantasticAesop courtesy of Dust. God doesn't give the world meaning, Dust does. Dust is essentially fundamental particles/bosons of conscience, endeavor, knowledge, curiosity, etc., and are created by acts of teaching and learning, ergo...



* ArtisticLicenseBiology: One of the images on the Alethiometer was a chameleon. One of its underlying meanings is air because, as Farder Coram mentioned, chameleons don't eat anything but air. This may have been fine for when the Alethiometer was first created a couple hundred years earlier, but Farder Coram was a learned man and should have known better.
* AudioAdaptation: Two, a radio dramatization and a full-cast unabridged recording narrated by Pullman.

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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: One of the images on the Alethiometer was a chameleon. One of its underlying meanings is air because, as Farder Coram mentioned, chameleons don't eat anything but air. This may have been fine for when the Alethiometer was first created a couple hundred years earlier, earlier but Farder Coram was a learned man and should have known better.
* AudioAdaptation: Two, Two: a radio dramatization and a full-cast unabridged recording narrated by Pullman.



%%* BearsAreBadNews: Inverted with the armored bears

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%%* * BearsAreBadNews: Inverted with the The armored bearsbears are bad news to their enemies and some are aligned against the heroes, at least in the first book.



* BerserkButton: It is inadvisable to steal Iorek's armor while he is passed out. He killed about two people trying to find it and nearly cracked the skull of a sentry after getting it back. It was only his debt to Lyra that kept him from killing the man.

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* BerserkButton: BerserkButton:
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It is inadvisable to steal Iorek's armor while he is passed out. He killed about two people trying to find it and nearly cracked the skull of a sentry after getting it back. It was only his debt to Lyra that kept him from killing the man.



* BittersweetEnding: Oh yeah. [[spoiler:Lyra and Will changed the very foundations of the Multiverse, but ''only those who were directly involved'' notice. Furthermore, they must return to their own respective Worlds forever (never to see each other again), moments after they've realized their passionate love for each other. Some have argued that this last twist crosses into DiabolusExMachina. The "good" angels could have solved this by teaching them how to cross worlds, but instead decide not to share.]]
** Well, at least until they die.
*** [[spoiler:It's implied that it might be possible for them to reconnect, but it's discouraged by just about everyone]]
* BizarreAlienLocomotion: The Mulefa, which grip giant seed-pods in specialized appendages and roll around on the cylindrical pods.
* BlessedWithSuck: Will Parry is given the Subtle Knife, which can slice through the barriers between worlds. [[spoiler:It also mutilated his left hand, and '''every time he uses it''', he creates a hole into which Dust drains out of the world, and another Spectre is unleashed.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: Oh yeah. [[spoiler:Lyra and Will changed the very foundations of the Multiverse, but ''only those who were directly involved'' notice. Furthermore, they must return to their own respective Worlds forever (never to see each other again), moments after they've realized their passionate love for each other. Some have argued that this last twist crosses into DiabolusExMachina. The "good" angels could have solved this by teaching them how to cross worlds, but instead decide not to share. It's implied that it might be possible for them to reconnect, but it's discouraged by just about everyone.]]
** Well, at least until they die.
*** [[spoiler:It's implied that it might be possible for them to reconnect, but it's discouraged by just about everyone]]
* BizarreAlienLocomotion: The Mulefa, which grip giant seed-pods in specialized appendages and roll around on the their cylindrical pods.
* BlessedWithSuck: BlessedWithSuck:
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Will Parry is given the Subtle Knife, which can slice through the barriers between worlds. [[spoiler:It also mutilated his left hand, and '''every hand. Not to mention that every time he uses it''', it he creates a hole into which Dust drains out of the world, world and another Spectre is unleashed.]]



* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The polar bears, most notably when Iorek eats the dead body of his human friend - because he respected him enough to accept a meal as a last gift.
* BrokenAesop: Pullman is mostly trying to criticize the Catholic Church...but by the end of the series its been twisted so much he's turned his "Catholic Church" into what is essentially [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism Gnosticism]]. Fans argue that Pullman's target is not any one institution but instead general zealousness and dogmatism, with the Church just being his whipping boy because, well, they're a handy example.

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The polar bears, most notably when Iorek eats the dead body of his human friend - because he respected him enough to accept a meal as a last gift.
* BrokenAesop: BrokenAesop:
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Pullman is mostly trying to criticize the Catholic Church...Church... but by the end of the series its it has been twisted so much he's turned his "Catholic Church" into what is essentially [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism Gnosticism]]. Fans argue that Pullman's target is not any one institution but instead general zealousness and dogmatism, with the Church just being his whipping boy because, well, they're a handy example.



* ChekhovsGun: The spy-fly Lyra and the Gyptians capture early in their trek north was placed into a special tin by Iorek on Lyra's suggestion and finally used as a distraction by Lyra to get away from Mrs Coulter.
* ChildrenAreInnocent: The very soul and fiber of this work is about averting this trope. Although whether this is a aversion or playing it straight probably depends on your definition of innocence.

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* ChekhovsGun: The spy-fly Lyra and the Gyptians capture early in their trek north was placed into a special tin by Iorek on Lyra's suggestion and finally used as a distraction by Lyra to get away from Mrs Mrs. Coulter.
* ChildrenAreInnocent: The very soul and fiber of this work is about averting this trope. Although whether this is a an aversion or playing it straight probably depends on your definition of innocence.



* CluelessBoss: God himself is revealed to be this in the third book. He's essentially senile and on life support, and Metatron runs everything.
* CombatByChampion: Metatron identifies Coulter as a woman whose entire life is based on betrayal, yet he willingly goes alone with her to ambush Lord Asriel instead of sending a legion of mooks. Asriel, meanwhile, plans this elaborate setup to catch and kill Metatron but decides to spring the trap on the ruler of the multiverse with only himself instead of with a platoon of heavies. To top it off, they both go unarmed (although there is probably a different trope for this)

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* CluelessBoss: God himself is revealed to be this in the third book. He's essentially senile and senile, on life support, support and Metatron runs everything.
* CombatByChampion: Metatron identifies Coulter as a woman whose entire life is based on betrayal, yet he willingly goes alone with her to ambush Lord Asriel instead of sending a legion of mooks. Asriel, meanwhile, plans this elaborate setup to catch and kill Metatron but decides to spring the trap on the ruler of the multiverse with only himself instead of with a platoon of heavies. To top it off, they both go unarmed (although there is probably a different trope for this)



* DeadPersonConversation: Lyra and Will went into the land of the dead where they, of course, conversed with the ghosts.
* DeathByFallingOver: The intruder in Will's house falls down the stairs. Will blames himself though.

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* DeadPersonConversation: Lyra and Will went go into the land Land of the dead Dead where they, of course, conversed they converse with the ghosts.
* DeathByFallingOver: The intruder in Will's house falls down the stairs. Will blames himself himself, though.



** Also, Lyra ''[[AwesomeMcCoolname Listenreich]]'' in German.
*** "-reich" in this context means "to be rich of" or simply "-full" so it translates into "cunningfull", her German name though sounds a little off because of the missing article, so "Lyra die Listenreiche" would've a better ring to it but YMMW.

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** Also, Lyra ''[[AwesomeMcCoolname Listenreich]]'' in German.
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German. "-reich" in this context means "to be rich of" or simply "-full" so it translates into "cunningfull", her German name though sounds a little off because "full of the missing article, so "Lyra die Listenreiche" would've a better ring to it but YMMW.cunning".
27th Jun '17 12:33:53 PM xcountryguy
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* AbsurdlySharpBlade: The subtle knife. It can ''[[AlternateUniverse cut through the universe]]''. Lyra speculates that the same materials from the subtle knife were likely used to make the [[spoiler: guillotine of the intercision machine that can cut through the psychic connection between human and dæmon.]]

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* AbsurdlySharpBlade: The subtle knife. It can ''[[AlternateUniverse cut through the universe]]''. Lyra speculates that the same materials from the subtle knife were likely used to make the [[spoiler: guillotine [[spoiler:guillotine of the intercision machine that can cut through the psychic connection between human and dæmon.]]



*** [[spoiler: Turns out it is. In the land of the dead, all mortals are accompanied by their "death" from cradle to grave.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out it is. In the land of the dead, all mortals are accompanied by their "death" from cradle to grave.]]



** In case you don't feel like digging it up: in ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', an Alpine Chough is [[spoiler: form Satan uses to sneak into Eden.]] [[note]]it was actually a black cormorant in the poem, but the two birds look similar[[/note]]

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** In case you don't feel like digging it up: in ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', an Alpine Chough is [[spoiler: form [[spoiler:form Satan uses to sneak into Eden.]] [[note]]it was actually a black cormorant in the poem, but the two birds look similar[[/note]]



* AnyoneCanDie: [[spoiler: Roger Parslow, Lee Scoresby, John Parry, Lord Asriel, Marisa Coulter, and GOD]].

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* AnyoneCanDie: [[spoiler: Roger [[spoiler:Roger Parslow, Lee Scoresby, John Parry, Lord Asriel, Marisa Coulter, and GOD]].



* BadassBookworm: Mrs. Coulter: Arctic explorer, a rare female Scholar (graduate from an Oxford college), author of at least one respected travelogue, and [[spoiler: [[MadScientist inventor of a device that severs the soul from the body.]] ]]

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* BadassBookworm: Mrs. Coulter: Arctic explorer, a rare female Scholar (graduate from an Oxford college), author of at least one respected travelogue, and [[spoiler: [[MadScientist [[spoiler:[[MadScientist inventor of a device that severs the soul from the body.]] ]]



* BittersweetEnding: Oh yeah. [[spoiler: Lyra and Will changed the very foundations of the Multiverse, but ''only those who were directly involved'' notice. Furthermore, they must return to their own respective Worlds forever (never to see each other again), moments after they've realized their passionate love for each other. Some have argued that this last twist crosses into DiabolusExMachina. The "good" angels could have solved this by teaching them how to cross worlds, but instead decide not to share.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: Oh yeah. [[spoiler: Lyra [[spoiler:Lyra and Will changed the very foundations of the Multiverse, but ''only those who were directly involved'' notice. Furthermore, they must return to their own respective Worlds forever (never to see each other again), moments after they've realized their passionate love for each other. Some have argued that this last twist crosses into DiabolusExMachina. The "good" angels could have solved this by teaching them how to cross worlds, but instead decide not to share.]]



*** [[spoiler: It's implied that it might be possible for them to reconnect, but it's discouraged by just about everyone]]

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*** [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's implied that it might be possible for them to reconnect, but it's discouraged by just about everyone]]



* BlessedWithSuck: Will Parry is given the Subtle Knife, which can slice through the barriers between worlds. [[spoiler: It also mutilated his left hand, and '''every time he uses it''', he creates a hole into which Dust drains out of the world, and another Spectre is unleashed.]]
** Also how Lyra first felt about being able to read the Alethiometer after [[spoiler: the Gyptian spies]] died was her first successful reading. It scared her both being so accurate and that she could read it.

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* BlessedWithSuck: Will Parry is given the Subtle Knife, which can slice through the barriers between worlds. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It also mutilated his left hand, and '''every time he uses it''', he creates a hole into which Dust drains out of the world, and another Spectre is unleashed.]]
** Also how Lyra first felt about being able to read the Alethiometer after [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Gyptian spies]] died was her first successful reading. It scared her both being so accurate and that she could read it.



* CavalryOfTheDead: [[spoiler: When Will and Lyra emerge from the Land of the Dead, the spirits of various dead characters and other onetime warriors join the battle between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Republic of Heaven on the side of the Republic, countering the Spectres who had until then been consuming souls unchecked.]]
* CessationOfExistence: befalls [[spoiler: Mrs. Coulter and Lord Asriel, although they manage to take the Metatron with them]].

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* CavalryOfTheDead: [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Will and Lyra emerge from the Land of the Dead, the spirits of various dead characters and other onetime warriors join the battle between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Republic of Heaven on the side of the Republic, countering the Spectres who had until then been consuming souls unchecked.]]
* CessationOfExistence: befalls [[spoiler: Mrs.Befalls [[spoiler:Mrs. Coulter and Lord Asriel, although they manage to take the Metatron with them]].



* CharacterFilibuster: [[spoiler: When Dr. Mary Malone, physicist, explains why she quit being a nun and decided there was no God.]]

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* CharacterFilibuster: [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Dr. Mary Malone, physicist, explains why she quit being a nun and decided there was no God.]]



* TheChosenOne: Lyra is deemed to be a chosen one, but she can't know anything about it. In the second book, Will finds out he was chosen to [[spoiler: own the Subtle Knife due to his injuries.]] They also become the [[spoiler: chosen couple]] after all is said and done, though only for a few weeks.

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* TheChosenOne: Lyra is deemed to be a chosen one, but she can't know anything about it. In the second book, Will finds out he was chosen to [[spoiler: own [[spoiler:own the Subtle Knife due to his injuries.]] They also become the [[spoiler: chosen [[spoiler:chosen couple]] after all is said and done, though only for a few weeks.



* CompressedAdaptation: The stage play. Three books into two nights, and they combined the characters of Mary Malone and Serafina Pekkala, as well as [[spoiler: never revealing Will's dæmon.]]

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* CompressedAdaptation: The stage play. Three books into two nights, and they combined the characters of Mary Malone and Serafina Pekkala, as well as [[spoiler: never [[spoiler:never revealing Will's dæmon.]]



* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Averted with Lyra and Will, they free everyone in the land of the dead (suffering a lot to do so), allow all the doors between the worlds to be closed and vow to work their whole lives to keep good in the world so they can leave one door open...But are still separated and can never see each other again.]]

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* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Averted [[spoiler:Averted with Lyra and Will, they free everyone in the land of the dead (suffering a lot to do so), allow all the doors between the worlds to be closed and vow to work their whole lives to keep good in the world so they can leave one door open...But are still separated and can never see each other again.]]



** [[spoiler: "The Authority" isn't currently evil. It's stated though that he wasn't the creator, just the oldest angel, yet presents himself to everyone as the creator. Metatron was his second in command and took over as "The Authority" became senile]]
* GRatedSex: There is some between Ruta Skadi and Lord Asriel in ''The Subtle Knife''. Also, in ''The Amber Spyglass'', when [[spoiler: Lyra and Will finally realize that they're in love with each other, they break into a storm of ridiculously passionate kissing, and the scene cuts right at that moment, so it leaves the reader wondering if they had sex. The whole scene is basically written to show that they have finally began the transition to adulthood.]].

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** [[spoiler: "The [[spoiler:"The Authority" isn't currently evil. It's stated though that he wasn't the creator, just the oldest angel, yet presents himself to everyone as the creator. Metatron was his second in command and took over as "The Authority" became senile]]
* GRatedSex: There is some between Ruta Skadi and Lord Asriel in ''The Subtle Knife''. Also, in ''The Amber Spyglass'', when [[spoiler: Lyra [[spoiler:Lyra and Will finally realize that they're in love with each other, they break into a storm of ridiculously passionate kissing, and the scene cuts right at that moment, so it leaves the reader wondering if they had sex. The whole scene is basically written to show that they have finally began the transition to adulthood.]].



** But one of the big themes of the entire series is the idea that [[spoiler: Dust, which constitutes the transition into adulthood, is a ''good'' thing, and not a ''bad'' thing as the Church believes.]] The Church believes that humans must [[spoiler: retain the innocence of childhood, and so must never come in contact with Dust]]. But the series implies that [[spoiler: Dust, although indeed bringing sin, also brings knowledge and understanding and discovering and curiosity and many other wonderful things, and that it's in a human's nature to be sinful and the Church shouldn't fight it.]]
*** Which brings a whole new level of irony to the Church's motives, given the horrific, innocence-stealing measures they take to ''retain'' [[spoiler: a child's innocence]].

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** But one of the big themes of the entire series is the idea that [[spoiler: Dust, [[spoiler:Dust, which constitutes the transition into adulthood, is a ''good'' thing, and not a ''bad'' thing as the Church believes.]] The Church believes that humans must [[spoiler: retain [[spoiler:retain the innocence of childhood, and so must never come in contact with Dust]]. But the series implies that [[spoiler: Dust, [[spoiler:Dust, although indeed bringing sin, also brings knowledge and understanding and discovering and curiosity and many other wonderful things, and that it's in a human's nature to be sinful and the Church shouldn't fight it.]]
*** Which brings a whole new level of irony to the Church's motives, given the horrific, innocence-stealing measures they take to ''retain'' [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a child's innocence]].



* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler: Lord Asriel and Mrs. Coulter both sacrifice themselves to drag Metatron down into a bottomless pit - the [[RedemptionEqualsDeath bittersweet end]] to Mrs. Coulter's HeelFaceTurn.]] Arguable as to whether they count, as this had been [[spoiler: Asriel's driving goal from the first]] and [[spoiler: Coulter's life was essentially a shambles and it was unclear what else she might have to live for]]. Although knowing her, [[spoiler: she'd probably have been able to cast herself as the hero of the battle with her magic lie powers post facto]], so maybe she really was giving something up.
** [[spoiler: Lee Scoresby and Hester]] while holding off the tartars. Which definitely doubles as a ''TearJerker''. Not to mention that he's then [[spoiler: magically preserved by Serafina Pekkala, so that his body can eventually be eaten by his friend Iorek Byrnison and sustain him on his own journey to help Lyra.]] Which is described in such a way that it's clear that [[spoiler: Lee]] would've been immensely proud to have it happen. Tearjerker indeed.
** Lyra and Will pull a non-fatal version when they [[spoiler: leave the door to the land of the dead open instead of one between their two worlds - separating them forever.]]

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* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler: Lord [[spoiler:Lord Asriel and Mrs. Coulter both sacrifice themselves to drag Metatron down into a bottomless pit - the [[RedemptionEqualsDeath bittersweet end]] to Mrs. Coulter's HeelFaceTurn.]] Arguable as to whether they count, as this had been [[spoiler: Asriel's [[spoiler:Asriel's driving goal from the first]] and [[spoiler: Coulter's [[spoiler:Coulter's life was essentially a shambles and it was unclear what else she might have to live for]]. Although knowing her, [[spoiler: she'd [[spoiler:she'd probably have been able to cast herself as the hero of the battle with her magic lie powers post facto]], so maybe she really was giving something up.
** [[spoiler: Lee [[spoiler:Lee Scoresby and Hester]] while holding off the tartars. Which definitely doubles as a ''TearJerker''. Not to mention that he's then [[spoiler: magically [[spoiler:magically preserved by Serafina Pekkala, so that his body can eventually be eaten by his friend Iorek Byrnison and sustain him on his own journey to help Lyra.]] Which is described in such a way that it's clear that [[spoiler: Lee]] [[spoiler:Lee]] would've been immensely proud to have it happen. Tearjerker indeed.
** Lyra and Will pull a non-fatal version when they [[spoiler: leave [[spoiler:leave the door to the land of the dead open instead of one between their two worlds - separating them forever.]]



* HonorBeforeReason: Lyra [[spoiler: deliberately ''abandoned her own soul'' in the World of the Dead, so that she could make amends to a friend that she unwittingly led to his death.]]
** In that instance, it was partially subverted. Lyra [[spoiler: went into the Land of the Dead partially as a result of overhearing a conversation two others were having that stated she would make a difference in another world.]] After her dreams, the conversation made sense to her.
* HumansAreSpecial: Even though angels can live forever, travel between worlds, and know the secrets of the universe, they envy human beings, who have real bodies and thus can enjoy the physical world in ways that angels can't. Also, most humans can physically overpower a low-to-mid-ranking angel [[spoiler: (Will tackles one and is astonished at how weak it is.)]]

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* HonorBeforeReason: Lyra [[spoiler: deliberately [[spoiler:deliberately ''abandoned her own soul'' in the World of the Dead, so that she could make amends to a friend that she unwittingly led to his death.]]
** In that instance, it was partially subverted. Lyra [[spoiler: went [[spoiler:went into the Land of the Dead partially as a result of overhearing a conversation two others were having that stated she would make a difference in another world.]] After her dreams, the conversation made sense to her.
* HumansAreSpecial: Even though angels can live forever, travel between worlds, and know the secrets of the universe, they envy human beings, who have real bodies and thus can enjoy the physical world in ways that angels can't. Also, most humans can physically overpower a low-to-mid-ranking angel [[spoiler: (Will [[spoiler:(Will tackles one and is astonished at how weak it is.)]]



* MacGuffinSuperPerson: Lyra Belaqua is the "involved in a prophecy version." [[spoiler: To be precise, she is the new "Eve" and thus her destiny is to end destiny, ''without knowing what she's doing''. Needless to say, the bad guys do '''not''' want to this to happen, while her allies do their best to protect her until her moment comes.]]

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* MacGuffinSuperPerson: Lyra Belaqua is the "involved in a prophecy version." [[spoiler: To [[spoiler:To be precise, she is the new "Eve" and thus her destiny is to end destiny, ''without knowing what she's doing''. Needless to say, the bad guys do '''not''' want to this to happen, while her allies do their best to protect her until her moment comes.]]



** Mrs Coulter loves watching children become separated from their souls (most died quickly), but leave her own daughter alone! In the end, she ultimately [[spoiler: sacrificed herself and her afterlife to take down the ultimate angel who wanted her daughter's death]].

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** Mrs Coulter loves watching children become separated from their souls (most died quickly), but leave her own daughter alone! In the end, she ultimately [[spoiler: sacrificed [[spoiler:sacrificed herself and her afterlife to take down the ultimate angel who wanted her daughter's death]].



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: In the end we learn that [[spoiler: every time Will used the knife he created a specter and helped undermine the structural fabric of sentient life. To be fair, this is really not his fault, it was the hundreds of years of casual abuse and neglect of the power that caused the problem.]]

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: In the end we learn that [[spoiler: every [[spoiler:every time Will used the knife he created a specter and helped undermine the structural fabric of sentient life. To be fair, this is really not his fault, it was the hundreds of years of casual abuse and neglect of the power that caused the problem.]]



* OhCrap: Lord Asriel is absolutely ''aghast'' when Lyra arrives at his prison in the North - ''"Get out! I did not send for you!"'' - [[spoiler: since he thinks whatever weird forces he's commanding have sent her to him as a sacrifice to open the passage between the worlds and, while he's a pretty amoral guy, he hardly wants to kill his own ''daughter.'' Still, he calms down a lot when Roger arrives right behind her...]]

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* OhCrap: Lord Asriel is absolutely ''aghast'' when Lyra arrives at his prison in the North - ''"Get out! I did not send for you!"'' - [[spoiler: since [[spoiler:since he thinks whatever weird forces he's commanding have sent her to him as a sacrifice to open the passage between the worlds and, while he's a pretty amoral guy, he hardly wants to kill his own ''daughter.'' Still, he calms down a lot when Roger arrives right behind her...]]



* ThePowerOfLegacy: in ''The Amber Spyglass'', Will lets Lyra think that [[spoiler: Mrs Coulter was watching over her while some disease kept her asleep]], when in reality, [[spoiler: Mrs. Coulter was drugging her]]. He already cares quite deeply for her and is aware that Lyra has very few good memories of Mrs Coulter.

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* ThePowerOfLegacy: in ''The Amber Spyglass'', Will lets Lyra think that [[spoiler: Mrs [[spoiler:Mrs. Coulter was watching over her while some disease kept her asleep]], when in reality, [[spoiler: Mrs.[[spoiler:Mrs. Coulter was drugging her]]. He already cares quite deeply for her and is aware that Lyra has very few good memories of Mrs Coulter.



* PoweredByAForsakenChild: Lord Asriel [[spoiler: opens up the path to Citagazze at the end of the first book by killing the urchin named Roger. Lyra blames herself for taking Roger to what she thought would be a safe place for both of them.]]

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* PoweredByAForsakenChild: Lord Asriel [[spoiler: opens [[spoiler:opens up the path to Citagazze at the end of the first book by killing the urchin named Roger. Lyra blames herself for taking Roger to what she thought would be a safe place for both of them.]]



* RuleOfSymbolism: The dust, the mulefa's wheels, and the dæmons are all used as criticism of real-world politics, religion and morality. The dæmons are used to represent a human's conscience/soul, and, in turn, their sexual nature. The scene in which Will and Lyra [[spoiler: free God from his glass cage]] is meant to represent the separation of the human idea of God from the political idea of God. And so on. Basically, this series has symbolism in spades.

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* RuleOfSymbolism: The dust, the mulefa's wheels, and the dæmons are all used as criticism of real-world politics, religion and morality. The dæmons are used to represent a human's conscience/soul, and, in turn, their sexual nature. The scene in which Will and Lyra [[spoiler: free [[spoiler:free God from his glass cage]] is meant to represent the separation of the human idea of God from the political idea of God. And so on. Basically, this series has symbolism in spades.



** [[spoiler: Billy Costa]] in the movie.
* SacrificialLion: When [[spoiler: Lee Scoresby]] was killed, you knew nobody else was safe.

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** [[spoiler: Billy [[spoiler:Billy Costa]] in the movie.
* SacrificialLion: When [[spoiler: Lee [[spoiler:Lee Scoresby]] was killed, you knew nobody else was safe.



* TheSoulsaver: Lyra. She not only frees the severed dæmons of Bolvangar and spares the other children there the same fate -- [[spoiler: her eventual destiny is to open the World of the Dead to the multiverse, with all its limitless number of souls.]]

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* TheSoulsaver: Lyra. She not only frees the severed dæmons of Bolvangar and spares the other children there the same fate -- [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her eventual destiny is to open the World of the Dead to the multiverse, with all its limitless number of souls.]]



* TechnicallyLivingZombie: Originally referenced as a background detail, but becomes relevant late in the first book and then throughout the series. According to Lord Asriel, there's an African tribe which can permanently separate a human from their dæmon without killing them - just rendering them a mindless, corpse-seeming slave called a ''zombi''. Later, the General Oblation Board modified this process to create intercision [[spoiler: using a Subtle Knife-like guillotine to sever the connection between human and dæmon forever.]] Intercision never worked on children, but [[spoiler: the doctors at Bolvangar and Mrs. Coulter's bodyguards/soldiers all underwent intercision successfully, meaning that]] Mrs. Coulter and by extension the Church essentially had an army of zombies.

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* TechnicallyLivingZombie: Originally referenced as a background detail, but becomes relevant late in the first book and then throughout the series. According to Lord Asriel, there's an African tribe which can permanently separate a human from their dæmon without killing them - just rendering them a mindless, corpse-seeming slave called a ''zombi''. Later, the General Oblation Board modified this process to create intercision [[spoiler: using [[spoiler:using a Subtle Knife-like guillotine to sever the connection between human and dæmon forever.]] Intercision never worked on children, but [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the doctors at Bolvangar and Mrs. Coulter's bodyguards/soldiers all underwent intercision successfully, meaning that]] Mrs. Coulter and by extension the Church essentially had an army of zombies.



* ToHellAndBack: In the third book, Will and Lyra, along with the Lady Salmakia and Chevalier Tialys, go to the underworld in order for her to find Roger and apologize to him. Complete with a boat trip there. They find a way out with help [[spoiler: as well as changing the very nature of how the underworld works, essentially changing the nature of hell itself.]]

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* ToHellAndBack: In the third book, Will and Lyra, along with the Lady Salmakia and Chevalier Tialys, go to the underworld in order for her to find Roger and apologize to him. Complete with a boat trip there. They find a way out with help [[spoiler: as [[spoiler:as well as changing the very nature of how the underworld works, essentially changing the nature of hell itself.]]



** This is done by design. The story is about Will and Lyra not the epic battles, and [[spoiler: their romance]] is significantly more important to the multiverse than any of the other battles. It is outright stated that Asriel will fail because the people he has gathered together from various worlds will fade and die unless they return to their own.
** Also used to emphasize that it is ideology, not force, that will change people's minds. The ultimate conflict is not Lord Asriel's army against the Authority, but rather [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre individualist humanism]] versus blind force and blind belief. Lyra and Will's actions are important because they realize that their lives are their own for living, not simply as pieces in a larger struggle. Similarly, Mary's discoveries [[spoiler: about Dust and the Amber Spyglass]] are important because she ''proves'' that everyone has worth as an individual, not just as part of a greater cause.

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** This is done by design. The story is about Will and Lyra not the epic battles, and [[spoiler: their [[spoiler:their romance]] is significantly more important to the multiverse than any of the other battles. It is outright stated that Asriel will fail because the people he has gathered together from various worlds will fade and die unless they return to their own.
** Also used to emphasize that it is ideology, not force, that will change people's minds. The ultimate conflict is not Lord Asriel's army against the Authority, but rather [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre individualist humanism]] versus blind force and blind belief. Lyra and Will's actions are important because they realize that their lives are their own for living, not simply as pieces in a larger struggle. Similarly, Mary's discoveries [[spoiler: about [[spoiler:about Dust and the Amber Spyglass]] are important because she ''proves'' that everyone has worth as an individual, not just as part of a greater cause.



** [[spoiler: In the last book, Will's finds out why his father has a dæmon. It turns out he entered Lyra's world near a spot that somehow repels dæmons, which is hinted to be used as a rite of passage by witches. It ripped his soul out of his body and gave his dæmon most of the same properties as a witch's, most notably the ability to be far away from him.]]

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** [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In the last book, Will's finds out why his father has a dæmon. It turns out he entered Lyra's world near a spot that somehow repels dæmons, which is hinted to be used as a rite of passage by witches. It ripped his soul out of his body and gave his dæmon most of the same properties as a witch's, most notably the ability to be far away from him.]]



* WomanScorned: The witch Juta Kamainen is furious that the shaman Stanislaus Grumman rejected her romantic advances, and swears that she will kill him. Which she does. In fact, [[spoiler: Grumman is Will Parry's father and was being faithful to his wife in another world.]] NiceJobBreakingItHero, and she [[spoiler:kills herself immediately afterwards when she realises how badly she's fucked things up for Will.]]

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* WomanScorned: The witch Juta Kamainen is furious that the shaman Stanislaus Grumman rejected her romantic advances, and swears that she will kill him. Which she does. In fact, [[spoiler: Grumman [[spoiler:Grumman is Will Parry's father and was being faithful to his wife in another world.]] NiceJobBreakingItHero, and she [[spoiler:kills herself immediately afterwards when she realises how badly she's fucked things up for Will.]]



* WouldHurtAChild: The Gobblers kidnapped children in order to [[spoiler: experiment on them by severing their daemons (souls) from them.]] This usually resulted in death either immediately or within a few weeks.
** [[spoiler: Mrs. Coulter]] was said to get unusual pleasure watching the process take place, unless the victim was [[spoiler: Lyra]].
** Lord Asriel used [[spoiler: Roger's death (caused by separating him and his daemon)]] to power the machine that opened up the bridge to parallel universes.

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* WouldHurtAChild: The Gobblers kidnapped children in order to [[spoiler: experiment [[spoiler:experiment on them by severing their daemons (souls) from them.]] This usually resulted in death either immediately or within a few weeks.
** [[spoiler: Mrs. [[spoiler:Mrs. Coulter]] was said to get unusual pleasure watching the process take place, unless the victim was [[spoiler: Lyra]].
[[spoiler:Lyra]].
** Lord Asriel used [[spoiler: Roger's [[spoiler:Roger's death (caused by separating him and his daemon)]] to power the machine that opened up the bridge to parallel universes.



* YouAreWorthHell: [[spoiler: Lord Asriel and Mrs. Coulter's mutual fling into the abyss, for Lyra's sake.]]

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* YouAreWorthHell: [[spoiler: Lord [[spoiler:Lord Asriel and Mrs. Coulter's mutual fling into the abyss, for Lyra's sake.]]
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* {{Deuteragonist}}: Will.
* DiabolusExMachina: Inarguable in the first book. Also the third, for some (see BittersweetEnding above).
* {{Dragon Ascendant}}: Metatron, technically.

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* %%* {{Deuteragonist}}: Will.
* DiabolusExMachina: Inarguable in the first book. Also the third, for some (see BittersweetEnding above).
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{{Dragon Ascendant}}: Metatron, technically.technically.
%%* DragonInChief: Metatron.



* FantasticRomance

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* [[GuileHero Guile Heroine]]: Lyra

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* %%* [[GuileHero Guile Heroine]]: Lyra



* [[LiteralMetaphor Literal Metaphor]]: Played with when Will [[spoiler:takes on his father's mantle.]]

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* [[LiteralMetaphor Literal Metaphor]]: LiteralMetaphor: Played with when Will [[spoiler:takes on his father's mantle.]]



* LittleMissBadass: Lyra

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* %%* LittleMissBadass: Lyra



* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters

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* %%* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters



* LockedOutOfTheLoop: Lyra

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* %%* LockedOutOfTheLoop: Lyra



*** FridgeBrilliance.



* {{The Nothing After Death}}: The land of the dead isn't exactly nothing, but it is insanely close: just a bleak wasteland with almost no light in which nothing happen. And then there's the Abyss, which really IS nothingness. And of course now people just dissolve after dying.
** [[spoiler: Dissolving is a little inaccurate and incomplete. The spirits more disintegrate and are returned to the universe so that they can be a part of everything again (Nature's spirit recycling service)]]
** Or, as the saying goes, [[spoiler: ashes to ashes, Dust to Dust.]]
*** FridgeBrilliance!

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* {{The Nothing After Death}}: The land of the dead isn't exactly nothing, but it is insanely close: just a bleak wasteland with almost no light in which nothing happen. And then there's the Abyss, which really IS nothingness. And of course now people just dissolve after dying.
** [[spoiler: Dissolving is a little inaccurate and incomplete. The spirits more disintegrate
dying and are returned to the universe so that they can be a part of everything again (Nature's spirit recycling service)]]
** Or, as the saying goes, [[spoiler: ashes to ashes, Dust to Dust.]]
*** FridgeBrilliance!
service)]].



* NonActionBigBad and DragonInChief: The Authority and Metatron.

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* NonActionBigBad and DragonInChief: NonActionBigBad: The Authority and Metatron.Authority, being so incredibly old that he could literally be killed by a stiff breeze.



* [[OppositeSexClone Opposite Sex Dæmon]]: Most of the time, a woman's dæmon is male and vice versa. People with dæmons of the same sex as themselves are noted to be rare in ''Northern Lights''. Two examples are found in the series (both in ''Northern Lights''): a male servant with a male dog dæmon, and a maid with a hen dæmon. Readers speculate that having a dæmon of the same sex signifies homosexuality or transgenderism. Pullman has stated he [[ShrugOfGod isn't sure what it means himelf]]: "[it] might indicate homosexuality, or it might indicate some other sort of gift or quality, such as second sight. I do not know. But I don't have to know everything about what I write."[[http://web.archive.org/web/20040329190613/http://www.avnet.co.uk/amaranth/Critic/ivpullman.htm]]

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* [[OppositeSexClone Opposite Sex Dæmon]]: OppositeSexClone: Most of the time, a woman's dæmon is male and vice versa. People with dæmons of the same sex as themselves are noted to be rare in ''Northern Lights''. Two examples are found in the series (both in ''Northern Lights''): a male servant with a male dog dæmon, and a maid with a hen dæmon. Readers speculate that having a dæmon of the same sex signifies homosexuality or transgenderism. Pullman has stated he [[ShrugOfGod isn't sure what it means himelf]]: "[it] might indicate homosexuality, or it might indicate some other sort of gift or quality, such as second sight. I do not know. But I don't have to know everything about what I write."[[http://web.archive.org/web/20040329190613/http://www.avnet.co.uk/amaranth/Critic/ivpullman.htm]]



* PiecesOfGod

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* RageAgainstTheHeavens

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* TheReveal: So damn many...

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* TheReveal: So damn many...%%* TheReveal



* ToughLove
* TrappedInAnotherWorld

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* %%* ToughLove
* %%* TrappedInAnotherWorld



* TwistEnding: The first book.

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* WorldOfSymbolism: And HOW!

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* ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld

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* {{Bears Are|BadNews}} [[InvertedTrope Good News]]- The armored bears. 'Nuff said.

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* {{Bears Are|BadNews}} [[InvertedTrope Good News]]- The %%* BearsAreBadNews: Inverted with the armored bears. 'Nuff said.bears
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* [[spoiler: AdamAndEvePlot]]: Used in a symbolic way.

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* [[spoiler: AdamAndEvePlot]]: AdamAndEvePlot: Used in a symbolic way.
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This has proven to be a fairly polarizing series. For some, the author seems to be [[AuthorTract constantly railing against religion]], and in the third book that the message [[WriterOnBoard bursts out]] [[{{Anvilicious}} of the plot's chest]] and devours it. Others argue that this angle is at least handled much more tastefully than [[Literature/SwordOfTruth other series]] with similar tendencies. For many fans, the series is really more about a breathtaking dimension-hopping odyssey that turns into a fist-pumping ode to ThePowerOfLove. Also it is hard to dispute the quality of the writing. The series was critically acclaimed, especially in Pullman's native England, and ''The Amber Spyglass'' is the first children's book to receive the Whitbread Award for a category other than children's literature.

And a badass [[RuleOfCool Armored]] [[BearsAreBadNews Polar Bear]] [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Warrior]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot King]]. Can't forget him.

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This has proven to be a fairly polarizing series. For some, the author seems to be [[AuthorTract constantly railing against religion]], and in the third book that the message [[WriterOnBoard bursts out]] [[{{Anvilicious}} of the plot's chest]] and devours it. Others argue that this angle is at least handled much more tastefully than [[Literature/SwordOfTruth other series]] with similar tendencies. For many fans, the series is really more about a breathtaking dimension-hopping odyssey that turns into a fist-pumping ode to ThePowerOfLove. Also it is hard to dispute the quality of the writing. The series was critically acclaimed, especially in Pullman's native England, and ''The Amber Spyglass'' is the first children's book to receive the Whitbread Award for a category other than children's literature.

And
Including a badass [[RuleOfCool Armored]] [[BearsAreBadNews Polar Bear]] [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Warrior]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot King]]. Can't forget him.
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A BBC television series is currently in development, written by Jack Thorne, which promises to "sound every note" of the series.

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A BBC television series is currently in development, written by Jack Thorne, which promises to "sound every note" of the series.books.
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Apart from the film adaptation of the first book, there has been a stage play adaptation and two radio adaptations -- one an unabridged recording of the books, with Pullman himself narrating and a full cast playing the various characters, and one a more traditional radio drama in three two-and-a-half-hour episodes.

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Apart from the film adaptation of the first book, there has been a two-part stage play adaptation of the trilogy and two radio adaptations -- one an unabridged recording of the books, with Pullman himself narrating and a full cast playing the various characters, and one a more traditional radio drama presented in three two-and-a-half-hour episodes.episodes.
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