History Literature / HaloGlasslands

13th Apr '16 9:52:12 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she did it instead of just making the kids disappear. Halsey claims she didn't know they would die, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that she had known from the start that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of their creation. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''[[VideoGame/HaloReach Halsey's journal]]'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that some of the clones lasted for more than a few years.

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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she did it instead of just making the kids disappear. Halsey claims she didn't know they would die, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that she had known from the start that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of their creation. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''[[VideoGame/HaloReach [[VideoGame/HaloReach Halsey's journal]]'' journal]] shows that Halsey was actually surprised that some of the clones lasted for more than a few years.
13th Apr '16 9:51:44 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* AuthorFilibuster: Throughout the book, a number of characters deliver condescending speeches and remarks about Dr. Halsey and the Spartan-II project. Unsurprisingly, the views presented in these correlate with the author's, as seen in several interviews with her (e.g. Traviss compares Dr. Halsey to Dr. Mengele, and then a character in the novel does the same). Interestingly, Doctor Halsey's character rebuttals most of the arguments against her but the characters ignore her reasoning [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite very often her points being right.]]

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* AuthorFilibuster: Throughout the book, a number of characters deliver condescending speeches and remarks about Dr. Halsey and the Spartan-II project. Unsurprisingly, the views presented in these correlate with the author's, as seen in several interviews with her (e.g. Traviss compares Dr. Halsey to Dr. Mengele, and then a character in the novel does the same). Interestingly, Doctor Halsey's character rebuttals While Halsey does rebut most of the arguments against her but her, the other characters all ignore her reasoning [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite her points very often her points being right.]]right]].



** ''Glasslands'' also introduces the idea that Halsey somehow covered up the entire SPARTAN-II flash-cloning program from the brass, although no piece of earlier fiction has given any indication of such, and said brass actually ''enabled'' the program.
*** It also strikes as odd that Admiral Parangosky, a woman who authorised sending 12 year old child soldiers on suicide missions, among other things, would be bothered by flash-cloning.
** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. Subverted by the fact Traviss depicts Doctor Halsey to be emotionally devastated by her daughter's death as well as the WeNeverFoundTheBody [[VideoGame/Halo3 death of Master Chief.]]

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** ''Glasslands'' also introduces the idea that Halsey somehow covered up the entire SPARTAN-II flash-cloning program from the brass, although no piece of earlier fiction has given any indication of such, and in fact implied that said brass had actually ''enabled'' the program.
*** It also strikes as odd that Admiral Parangosky, a woman who authorised authorized sending 12 year old child soldiers on suicide missions, among other things, would be bothered by flash-cloning.
** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. Subverted by the fact That said, Traviss depicts Doctor does depict Halsey to be emotionally devastated by her daughter's death as well as the WeNeverFoundTheBody [[VideoGame/Halo3 [[WeNeverFoundTheBody apparent]] [[VideoGame/{{Halo 3}} death of Master Chief.]]Chief]].



** [[WorldOfSnark Nearly everyone]], at least Kilo-Five and some of the Spartans, deliver similar sarcastic banter at one point or the other.
* DefusingTheTykeBomb: Spending time with Kilo-Five soon melts off Naomi's hardened exterior, showing she's really a scarred, delicate flower in need of some genuine care. Naomi also comes around to Osman's point of view regarding Halsey when the latter (with the help of ONI's AI) uses a combination of Halsey's journal, the fate of her family [[spoiler: her mother committing suicide after her flashclone's death]], and questioning her professionalism to turn her against Halsey.

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** [[WorldOfSnark Nearly everyone]], at least including Kilo-Five and some of the Spartans, deliver similar sarcastic banter at one point or the other.
* DefusingTheTykeBomb: Spending time with Kilo-Five soon melts off Naomi's hardened exterior, showing she's really a scarred, delicate flower in need of some genuine care. Naomi also starts to comes around to Osman's point of view regarding Halsey when the latter (with the help of ONI's AI) BB) uses a combination of Halsey's journal, knowledge of the fate of her Naomi's family [[spoiler: her ([[spoiler:her mother committing committed suicide after her flashclone's death]], flash clone's death and her father turned against the UNSC]]), and questioning her professionalism to turn her against Halsey.



* EarlybirdCameo: The [[spoiler: Spartan [=IVs=] and ''Infinity'']], which are to be major plot elements of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', receive their first mention in the story's epilogue.

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* EarlybirdCameo: EarlyBirdCameo: The [[spoiler: Spartan [=IVs=] Spartan-[=IVs=] and ''Infinity'']], ''Infinity'', which are to be major plot elements of the games from ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', 4}}'' onward, receive their first mention in the story's epilogue.



* {{Hypocrite}}: Chief Mendez repeatedly lays into Halsey for her actions which she, rightly, calls despicable and cowardly since he not only went along with the project but repeated it with the Spartan-III program.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: Chief Mendez repeatedly lays into Halsey for her actions actions, which she, rightly, calls she responds to by noting that Mendez himself is being despicable and cowardly since he not only went along with the project SPARTAN-II project, but repeated it his actions with the Spartan-III SPARTAN-III program.



** Admiral Parangosky actually admits she's every bit as bad as Halsey and this partially motivated by the fact Halsey lied to her. Which would make this entire campaign into an example of EvilIsPetty.
* MoralMyopia: The entirety of ONI seems to suffer from this as they ignore their own crimes and role in the SPARTAN program to come down on Halsey for it. {{Justified}} in the case of Osman as she was adopted by the anti-Halsey head of Parangosky.

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** Admiral Parangosky actually admits she's every bit as bad as Halsey and this that her persecution of the doctor is partially motivated by the fact that Halsey lied to her. her personally. Which would make this her entire campaign against Halsey into an example of EvilIsPetty.
* MoralMyopia: The entirety of ONI seems to suffer from this as they ignore their own crimes and role in the SPARTAN program programs to come down on Halsey for it. {{Justified}} in the case of Osman as she was adopted by the anti-Halsey head of Parangosky.



** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why did it versus just making the kids just disappear. Halsey claims she didn't know they would die, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.

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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she did it versus instead of just making the kids just disappear. Halsey claims she didn't know they would die, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that she had known from the start that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of cloning. their creation. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' ''[[VideoGame/HaloReach Halsey's journal]]'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that some of the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.more than a few years.
2nd Apr '16 2:59:27 PM CharlesPhipps
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Chief Mendez's sudden hatred of Halsey and self-loathing attempt to blame the latter for monstrous crimes which he is the victim of her exploitation of. He points to the Spartan-IIIs as volunteers versus kidnapping victims. Halsey deconstructs this by pointing out six-year-olds can't volunteer and all of his claims to be better than here are self-serving lies.
2nd Apr '16 2:58:56 PM CharlesPhipps
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* AuthorFilibuster: Throughout the book, a number of characters deliver condescending speeches and remarks about Dr. Halsey and the Spartan-II project. Unsurprisingly, the views presented in these correlate with the author's, as seen in several interviews with her (e.g. Traviss compares Dr. Halsey to Dr. Mengele, and then a character in the novel does the same). The heavy-handedness of the message, and the [[TheWarOnStraw lack of any meaningful representation of the other side of the argument]], borders on making or simply makes the whole novel an AuthorTract. Unsurprising to those of who remember her views on the Jedi.

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* AuthorFilibuster: Throughout the book, a number of characters deliver condescending speeches and remarks about Dr. Halsey and the Spartan-II project. Unsurprisingly, the views presented in these correlate with the author's, as seen in several interviews with her (e.g. Traviss compares Dr. Halsey to Dr. Mengele, and then a character in the novel does the same). The heavy-handedness Interestingly, Doctor Halsey's character rebuttals most of the message, and arguments against her but the [[TheWarOnStraw lack of any meaningful representation of the other side of the argument]], borders on making or simply makes the whole novel an AuthorTract. Unsurprising to those of who remember characters ignore her views on the Jedi.reasoning [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite very often her points being right.]]



** There is a lot of drift to be seen regarding Dr. Halsey and her motivations, as well as the specifics of the SPARTAN-II project. The program is now shown as being Halsey's personal experiment she conducted to satisfy her curiosity (as opposed to being commissioned by the brass at ONI, and Halsey being driven by genuine fear of human civilization collapsing and believing she was the only person who could save it). ''Glasslands'' also introduces the idea that Halsey somehow covered up the entire SPARTAN-II flash-cloning program from the brass, although no piece of earlier fiction has given any indication of such, and said brass actually ''enabled'' the program.
*** It also strikes as odd that Admiral Parangosky, a woman who authorised sending 12 year old child soldiers on suicide missions, amongst other things, would be bothered by flash-cloning.
** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. She regards other people, like Jacob Keyes, as nothing more than curiosities in a scientific sense rather than genuinely caring about them. She's also constantly losing the blatant [[TheWarOnStraw War on Straw]] with almost any character she happens to interact with, something which is in stark contrast with her sharp intellect shown in the previous novels. Indeed, even her intelligence is called into question - at one point she concludes that she was one of the greatest thinkers of the century, because "everyone had told her so." (apparently not because she really ''was'' smart or anything)

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** There is a lot of drift to be seen regarding Dr. Halsey and her motivations, as well as the specifics of the SPARTAN-II project. The program is now shown as being Halsey's personal experiment she conducted to satisfy her curiosity (as opposed to being commissioned by the brass at ONI, and Halsey being driven by genuine fear of human civilization collapsing and believing she was the only person who could save it). ''Glasslands'' also introduces the idea that Halsey somehow covered up the entire SPARTAN-II flash-cloning program from the brass, although no piece of earlier fiction has given any indication of such, and said brass actually ''enabled'' the program.
*** It also strikes as odd that Admiral Parangosky, a woman who authorised sending 12 year old child soldiers on suicide missions, amongst among other things, would be bothered by flash-cloning.
** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. She regards other people, like Jacob Keyes, as nothing more than curiosities in a scientific sense rather than genuinely caring about them. She's also constantly losing Subverted by the blatant [[TheWarOnStraw War on Straw]] with almost any character she happens fact Traviss depicts Doctor Halsey to interact with, something which is in stark contrast with be emotionally devastated by her sharp intellect shown in daughter's death as well as the previous novels. Indeed, even her intelligence is called into question - at one point she concludes that she was one WeNeverFoundTheBody [[VideoGame/Halo3 death of the greatest thinkers of the century, because "everyone had told her so." (apparently not because she really ''was'' smart or anything)Master Chief.]]



* DefusingTheTykeBomb: Spending time with Kilo-Five soon melts off Naomi's hardened exterior, showing she's really a scarred, delicate flower in need of some genuine care. In addition, it only takes the revelation about the flash clones to turn her (and apparently the other Spartans as well) against Halsey, despite decades of incessant indoctrination and training since childhood, something that should realistically make the Spartans accept everything Halsey and the UNSC do without question, as it has been in prior fiction.

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* DefusingTheTykeBomb: Spending time with Kilo-Five soon melts off Naomi's hardened exterior, showing she's really a scarred, delicate flower in need of some genuine care. In addition, it only takes Naomi also comes around to Osman's point of view regarding Halsey when the revelation about latter (with the flash clones help of ONI's AI) uses a combination of Halsey's journal, the fate of her family [[spoiler: her mother committing suicide after her flashclone's death]], and questioning her professionalism to turn her (and apparently the other Spartans as well) against Halsey, despite decades of incessant indoctrination and training since childhood, something that should realistically make the Spartans accept everything Halsey and the UNSC do without question, as it has been in prior fiction.Halsey.



* {{Hypocrite}}: Chief Mendez repeatedly lays into Halsey for her actions which she, rightly, calls despicable and cowardly since he not only went along with the project but repeated it with the Spartan-III program.



** Admiral Parangosky actually admits she's every bit as bad as Halsey and this partially motivated by the fact Halsey lied to her. Which would make this entire campaign into an example of EvilIsPetty.
* MoralMyopia: The entirety of ONI seems to suffer from this as they ignore their own crimes and role in the SPARTAN program to come down on Halsey for it. {{Justified}} in the case of Osman as she was adopted by the anti-Halsey head of Parangosky.



** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she didn't just use flash clones of the children as the [=SPARTANs=]. Halsey is written to act like she ''intentionally'' never thought about that, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.

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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why did it versus just making the kids just disappear. Halsey claims she didn't just use flash clones of the children as the [=SPARTANs=]. Halsey is written to act like she ''intentionally'' never thought about that, know they would die, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would die within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.candidates.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Chief Mendez's sudden hatred of Halsey and self-loathing attempt to blame the latter for monstrous crimes which he is the victim of her exploitation of. He points to the Spartan-IIIs as volunteers versus kidnapping victims. Halsey deconstructs this by pointing out six-year-olds can't volunteer and all of his claims to be better than here are self-serving lies.
15th Mar '16 9:12:44 PM LitleWiggle
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** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. She regards other people, like Jacob Keyes, as nothing more than curiosities in a scientific sense rather than genuinely caring about them. She's also constantly losing the blatant [[TheWarOnStraw War on Straw]] with almost any character she happens to interact with, something which is in stark contrast with her sharp intellect shown in the previous novels. Indeed, even her intelligence is called into question - at one point she concludes that she was one of the greatest thinkers of the century, because "everyone had told her so." (apparently not because she really ''was'' smart or anything).
*** Bear in mind though, that pre-Traviss Halsey was rather absurdly over-powered, intellectually speaking, bordering on CanonSue (apparently being [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist the foremost human expert in slipspace theory, powered armour engineering, AI creation, human augmentation and Forerunner research, among other things]]), generally got her way regardless of circumstances or plausibility and had her adventures in child-abduction and experimentation for the purposes of creating superhuman storm troopers to enforce the will of the [[OneWorldOrder central government on Earth]] conveniently [[HandWave hand-waved]] by the supposed existential threat posed by [[BombThrowingAnarchists colonial seperatists]], whose motivations for trying to violently remove themselves from the control of the UEG were barely touched on if at all.

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** Additionally, no one ever pretended Halsey was a saint, but a number of traits seem to have been added to [[{{Demonization}} make her seem more sinister]]. For one, the ''Glasslands'' version of Halsey is shown to live by an {{Ubermensch}} view of morality, considering herself as being AboveGoodAndEvil, even noting a few times that she [[TheSoulless doesn't have a soul]]. She regards other people, like Jacob Keyes, as nothing more than curiosities in a scientific sense rather than genuinely caring about them. She's also constantly losing the blatant [[TheWarOnStraw War on Straw]] with almost any character she happens to interact with, something which is in stark contrast with her sharp intellect shown in the previous novels. Indeed, even her intelligence is called into question - at one point she concludes that she was one of the greatest thinkers of the century, because "everyone had told her so." (apparently not because she really ''was'' smart or anything).
*** Bear in mind though, that pre-Traviss Halsey was rather absurdly over-powered, intellectually speaking, bordering on CanonSue (apparently being [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist the foremost human expert in slipspace theory, powered armour engineering, AI creation, human augmentation and Forerunner research, among other things]]), generally got her way regardless of circumstances or plausibility and had her adventures in child-abduction and experimentation for the purposes of creating superhuman storm troopers to enforce the will of the [[OneWorldOrder central government on Earth]] conveniently [[HandWave hand-waved]] by the supposed existential threat posed by [[BombThrowingAnarchists colonial seperatists]], whose motivations for trying to violently remove themselves from the control of the UEG were barely touched on if at all.
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13th Jan '15 11:53:30 AM LentilSandEater
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** One could argue Kilo-Five is JustFollowingOrders, but it would seem grossly hypocritical when the novel actually brings up the Nuremberg defense in relation to Halsey and the scientists involved with the SPARTAN-II project.
26th Aug '14 10:18:48 PM Tuckerscreator
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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she didn't just use flash clones of the children as the [=SPARTANs=]. Halsey is written to act like she ''intentionally'' never thought about that, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would tie within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.

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** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she didn't just use flash clones of the children as the [=SPARTANs=]. Halsey is written to act like she ''intentionally'' never thought about that, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would tie die within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.
9th Aug '14 12:09:21 PM SFH
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* DirtyBusiness: Dr. Halsey, Mendez and Admiral Parangosky, though the tone of the novel seems to be more forgiving toward the latter two while focusing on Halsey's deeds.

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* DidntSeeThatComing: When Jul and Forze go to meet the Servants of the Abiding Truth, Jul is expecting some old monks in robes. He's surprised to see that not only are they lead by a fully armed and armored Field Master, but that they've turn their temple into a fortified bunker and fully stocked armory, with dozens of young and old Elites ready to use those weapons.
-->''''Telcam:''' I am Avu Med 'Telcam. And I have ''many'' brothers.
* DirtyBusiness: Dr. Halsey, Mendez Chief Mendez, and Admiral Parangosky, though the tone of the novel seems to be more forgiving toward the latter two while focusing on Halsey's deeds.deeds.



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: [[spoiler:Admiral Parangosky gives one to Catherine Halsey at the end of ''Glasslands'' over her use of flash-cloning the SPARTAN-[=II=]s and forcing their parents to watch them die. Although even Halsey's supporters would agree that she needed calling out, the fact that Parangosky has authorized just as horrible, if not worse, things makes it a particularly twisted form of EvenEvilHasStandards at best to outright [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical]] at worst, a fact she fully acknowledges.]]
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: The Servants of Abiding Truth. Blow up an ancient Forerunner spire as revenge for "abandoning" the Sangheili? We'll bomb your keep and nail you to some scaffolding.

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: [[spoiler:Admiral Parangosky gives one to Catherine Halsey at the end of ''Glasslands'' the book over her use of flash-cloning the SPARTAN-[=II=]s and forcing their parents to watch them die. Although even Halsey's supporters would agree that she needed calling out, the fact that Parangosky has authorized just as horrible, if not worse, things makes it a particularly twisted form of EvenEvilHasStandards at best to outright [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical]] at worst, a fact she fully acknowledges.]]
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: The Servants of Abiding Truth. Truth, even by Covenant standards. Blow up an ancient ancient, ''broken'' Forerunner spire as revenge for "abandoning" the Sangheili? We'll bomb your keep and nail you to some scaffolding.
29th Jul '14 12:00:58 PM SFH
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** Halsey and Mendez get into an argument about the genetic screening involved in choosing Spartans. While Halsey was very strict when it came to genetic profiles for the [=Spartan IIs=], [=Spartan-IIIs=] had comparatively more lax screening thanks to improved augmentations. Mendez goes on as though the [=IIIs=] had no genetic tests, while ''Onyx'' makes note that they actually had to cut down Beta Company from 1000 to 300 because they couldn't do the genetic tests necessary to bolster the numbers. Furthermore, it also outright states that having the correct genetic markers has a direct colleration with the bioaugmentation survival rates. Mendez was in fact present at the meeting where both of the above facts were discussed.

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** Halsey and Mendez get into an argument about the genetic screening involved in choosing Spartans. While Halsey was very strict when it came to genetic profiles for the [=Spartan IIs=], [=Spartan-IIIs=] had comparatively more lax screening thanks to improved augmentations. Mendez goes on as though the [=IIIs=] had no genetic tests, while ''Onyx'' makes note that they actually had to cut down Beta Company from 1000 to 300 because they couldn't do the genetic tests necessary to bolster the numbers. Furthermore, it also outright states that having the correct genetic markers has a direct colleration correlation with the bioaugmentation survival rates. Mendez was in fact present at the meeting where both of the above facts were discussed.discussed.
** When Paragonsky is interrogating Halsey about the use of flash clones, she asks why she didn't just use flash clones of the children as the [=SPARTANs=]. Halsey is written to act like she ''intentionally'' never thought about that, but ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' had explicitly stated that flash clones of full human beings were genetically unstable and would tie within a few years of cloning. Supplemental media such as ''Anime/HaloLegends'' and ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' shows that Halsey was actually surprised that the clones lasted for so many years, but they were physically crippled and would have been useless as SPARTAN candidates.



** The much-touted feud between the Elites and Brutes no longer seems to matter that much, as the entire Great Schism plot seems to have been diminished into a minor scuffle that is mostly over by the time the novel is set. A lot of Brutes even serve the Elites. This is unlike its prior depictions in works such as ''The Return'' in ''Literature/HaloEvolutions''.

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** The much-touted feud between the Elites and Brutes no longer seems to matter that much, as the entire Great Schism plot seems to have been diminished into a minor scuffle that is mostly over by the time the novel is set. A lot of Brutes even serve the Elites. This is unlike its prior depictions in works such as ''The Return'' in ''Literature/HaloEvolutions''. [[spoiler:Later explained when ''The Thursday War'' reveals that the Brutes on Sanghelios were biding their time to plan ''their own'' uprising against the Elites.]]
25th Sep '13 5:45:14 PM Tuckerscreator
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* HardHead: [[spoiler: Halsey]] is punched in the face by a Spartan supersoldier wearing powered armor, yet does not sustain the massive injuries that one would expect from such a blow. Spartan[=-IIIs=] younger than Lucy then are described as being of equal strength to Elites in ''Ghosts of Onyx'', snapping necks and ribs with ease.

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* HardHead: [[spoiler: Halsey]] is punched in the face by a Spartan supersoldier wearing powered armor, Spartan-III supersoldier, yet does not sustain the massive injuries that one would expect from such a blow. Spartan[=-IIIs=] younger than Lucy then Spartan[=-IIIs=] are described in ''Ghosts of Onyx'' as being of equal strength to Elites in ''Ghosts of Onyx'', Elites, snapping necks and ribs with ease.
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