History Literature / GuardiansOfTheFlame

28th Jan '18 12:49:48 AM Fireblood
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* GameMaster: Dr. Arthur Deighton, philosophy professor, is a longtime GM who has this great new campaign he wants to try ...

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* GameMaster: Dr. Arthur Deighton, philosophy professor, is a longtime GM who has this great new campaign he wants to try ...try...
* GivingRadioToTheRomans: Lou Riccetti's wizard character renounces his magic only to start using his engineering knowledge to overturn MedievalStasis in their fight against slavery. Predictably, the opposing factions, although not privy to the details of things such as how to make gunpowder, find ways to adapt the technology through magic. In fact the slavers manage to make some water-powered rifles which partly work by a spell.
28th Dec '17 7:20:17 PM Ingonyama
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** There are a number of amusing ones to other well-known fantasy works--aside from [[Myth/KingArthur Arta Myrdhyn]], Karl's warrior personality has the name [[Literature/TheBelgariad Barak]] (''Pawn of Prophecy'' and ''The Sleeping Dragon'' were [[DuelingMovies published only a year apart]]), the mountain where they are traveling to get home is called Bremon (only one-letter difference from the name of [[Literature/{{Shannara}} Allanon]]'s mentor), and the fact the mountain is a solitary peak in a wasteland within with a dragon sleeps is quite reminiscent of [[Literature/TheHobbit Erebor and Smaug]].

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** There are a number of amusing ones to other well-known fantasy works--aside from [[Myth/KingArthur Arta Myrdhyn]], Karl's warrior personality has the name [[Literature/TheBelgariad Barak]] (''Pawn of Prophecy'' and ''The Sleeping Dragon'' were [[DuelingMovies published only a year apart]]), the mountain where they are traveling to get home is called Bremon (only one-letter difference from the name of [[Literature/{{Shannara}} Allanon]]'s mentor), and the fact the mountain is a solitary peak in a wasteland within with which a dragon sleeps is quite reminiscent of [[Literature/TheHobbit Erebor and Smaug]].
28th Dec '17 7:14:39 PM Ingonyama
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* ChangingOfTheGuard: After [[spoiler:Karl]]'s death in book four, the series shifts to first Jason Cullinane, then Walter (with lesser moments focused on Ahira and Lou Riccetti). The last three books are an entire shift away from the Other Siders, since they focus exclusively on the adventures of three Imperial guards who had served first Baron Furnael, then Karl, and finally Thomen Furnael.



* LoveDodecahedron: For the first book, a rather complex and twisted one exists around the main four of the party, as both Walter and Karl were once involved with Doria, Karl is currently interested in Andrea, she in turn has a fling with Walter, and Doria shows signs of wanting to rekindle things with Karl at one point. It's also implied that James/Ahira has a thing for Doria which he obviously could never act on until having a physically active body (complicated by her often inadvertent but hurtful condescension/repellent attitude toward him). All of this is done away with after the first book, since Doria leaves the party for some time, Karl and Andrea become an item by the end of the book, and eventually Walter falls for and marries one of the slaves they free--though this doesn't change his TheCasanova ways, he never shows anything but proper friendship for Andrea (or Doria, once she returns) after that.

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* LadyMacbeth: Played with for Baroness Beralyn Furnael. On the one hand, she takes an almost instant dislike to Karl and the rest of the Other Siders, which is only intensified into outright hatred for Karl when she blames him for [[spoiler:the death of her eldest son, Rahff, after he apprentices with the warrior]]. However, she does seem to have the best interests of Bieme at heart, and while she later becomes paranoid that Jason Cullinane will try and take the throne back from Thomen, she otherwise supports her son's efforts, becoming a dowager-baroness and not attempting to take over in any demonstrable way, nor does she stand against the democratic principles being introduced.
* LoveDodecahedron: For the first book, a rather complex and twisted one exists around the main four of the party, as both Walter and Karl were once involved with Doria, Karl is currently interested in Andrea, she in turn has a fling with Walter, and Doria shows signs of wanting to rekindle things with Karl at one point. It's also implied that James/Ahira has a thing for Doria which he obviously could never act on until having a physically active body (complicated by her often inadvertent but hurtful condescension/repellent attitude toward him). All of this is done away with after the first book, since Doria leaves the party for some time, Karl and Andrea become an item by the end of the book, and eventually Walter falls for and marries one of the slaves they free--though this doesn't change his TheCasanova ways, he never shows anything but proper friendship for Andrea (or Doria, once she returns) after that.that, and even marries Karl's adopted daughter when she grows up.



* WizardDuel: One of these created the Wastes of Elrood, where the party must travel in the first book to reach the Gate Between Worlds; only a small section of the original verdant forest was preserved by the magic of the Matriarch of the Healing Hand, surrounding their tabernacle. It is later implied, if not outright confirmed, that one of the wizards involved was [[spoiler:Arta Myrdhyn]], that the duel also created the Shattered Islands, and that it is to bring down the other wizard, the guildmaster [[MeaningfulName Lucius]], that [[spoiler:Arta Myrdhyn]] created this world's version of Excalibur.

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* WizardDuel: One of these created the Wastes of Elrood, where the party must travel in the first book to reach the Gate Between Worlds; only a small section of the original verdant forest was preserved by the magic of the Matriarch of the Healing Hand, surrounding their tabernacle. It is later implied, if not outright confirmed, revealed that one of the wizards involved was [[spoiler:Arta Myrdhyn]], that the duel also created the Shattered Islands, and that it is to bring down the other wizard, the guildmaster grandmaster of the Wizards' Guild, [[MeaningfulName Lucius]], that [[spoiler:Arta Myrdhyn]] created this world's version of Excalibur.
28th Dec '17 6:56:57 PM Ingonyama
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* TheCasanova: Walter Slovotsky. At the beginning of the story, he and Doria have already been "friends with benefits" for some time. His charming personality and status as a football star imply that he's very popular with girls. During the first trip to The Other Side, he also sleeps with Andy-Andy (angering Karl, who's attracted to her). She ends up with Karl though. Even after he gets married, Walter doesn't stop, and continues having sex with other women.

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* TheCasanova: Walter Slovotsky. At the beginning of the story, he and Doria have already been "friends with benefits" for some time. His charming personality and status as a football star imply that he's very popular with girls. During the first trip to The Other This Side, he also sleeps with Andy-Andy (angering Karl, who's attracted to her). She ends up with Karl though. Even after he gets married, Walter doesn't stop, and continues having sex with other women.



* IChooseToStay: James Michael Finnigan, after getting the chance to leave his disabled body and become the dwarf warrior Ahira. Although it is never made clear, it's possible he can't go back even if he wanted to since [[spoiler:his body on This Side was burned to a crisp and this may be a thing the Matriarch's magic cannot undo]].

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* IChooseToStay: James Michael Finnigan, after getting the chance to leave his disabled body and become the dwarf warrior Ahira. Although it is never made clear, it's possible he can't go back even if he wanted to since [[spoiler:his body on This The Other Side was burned to a crisp and this may be a thing the Matriarch's magic cannot undo]].



* NarniaTime: The students spent months on The Other Side, and return shortly after they left.

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* NarniaTime: The students spent months on The Other This Side, and return shortly after they left.
28th Dec '17 6:44:52 PM Ingonyama
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* TheWatcher: The entire Healing Hand Society acts like this, refusing to get involved in the affairs of the rest of the world unless absolutely necessary (and even then there are limits and prices exacted on both sides). On the one hand this TrueNeutral stance is helping when the wicked slaver Ahrmin comes to them for help against Karl and his friends, but on the other hand it means that not only can the latter not receive any more help from them after [[spoiler:Ahira]] is raised from the dead, any assistance ''at all'' is forbidden. This is strictly enforced by the Matriarch, and when Doria reappears in the narrative there is a great deal of inner struggle and resistance, and plenty of LoopholeAbuse, before she can aid them in any way, even something as simple as disguising herself. Eventually she goes full-on ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight, which has the cost of losing her powers and even her other personality, but she considers it WorthIt in the end since it lets her save Jason Cullinane's life.

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* TheWatcher: The entire Healing Hand Society acts like this, refusing to get involved in the affairs of the rest of the world unless absolutely necessary (and even then there are limits and prices exacted on both sides). On the one hand this TrueNeutral stance is helping helpful when the wicked slaver Ahrmin comes to them for help against Karl and his friends, but on the other hand it means that not only can the latter not receive any more help from them after [[spoiler:Ahira]] is raised from the dead, any assistance ''at all'' is forbidden. This is strictly enforced by the Matriarch, and when Doria reappears in the narrative there is a great deal of inner struggle and resistance, and plenty of LoopholeAbuse, before she can aid them in any way, even something as simple as disguising herself. Eventually she goes full-on ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight, which has the cost of losing her powers and even her other personality, but she considers it WorthIt in the end since it lets her save Jason Cullinane's life.
28th Dec '17 6:44:31 PM Ingonyama
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* TheWatcher: The entire Healing Hand Society acts like this, refusing to get involved in the affairs of the rest of the world unless absolutely necessary (and even there are limits and prices exacted on both sides). On the one hand this TrueNeutral stance is helping when the wicked slaver Ahrmin comes to them for help against Karl and his friends, but on the other hand it means that not only can the latter not receive any more help from them after [[spoiler:Ahira]] is raised from the dead, any assistance ''at all'' is forbidden. This is strictly enforced by the Matriarch, and when Doria reappears in the narrative there is a great deal of inner struggle and resistance, and plenty of LoopholeAbuse, before she can aid them in any way, even something as simple as disguising herself. Eventually she goes full-on ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight, which has the cost of losing her powers and even her other personality, but she considers it WorthIt in the end since it lets her save Jason Cullinane's life.

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* TheWatcher: The entire Healing Hand Society acts like this, refusing to get involved in the affairs of the rest of the world unless absolutely necessary (and even then there are limits and prices exacted on both sides). On the one hand this TrueNeutral stance is helping when the wicked slaver Ahrmin comes to them for help against Karl and his friends, but on the other hand it means that not only can the latter not receive any more help from them after [[spoiler:Ahira]] is raised from the dead, any assistance ''at all'' is forbidden. This is strictly enforced by the Matriarch, and when Doria reappears in the narrative there is a great deal of inner struggle and resistance, and plenty of LoopholeAbuse, before she can aid them in any way, even something as simple as disguising herself. Eventually she goes full-on ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight, which has the cost of losing her powers and even her other personality, but she considers it WorthIt in the end since it lets her save Jason Cullinane's life.
28th Dec '17 6:42:45 PM Ingonyama
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** There are a number of amusing ones to other well-known fantasy works--aside from [[ArthurianCanon Arta Myrdhyn]], Karl's warrior personality has the name [[Literature/TheBelgariad Barak]] (''Pawn of Prophecy'' and ''The Sleeping Dragon'' were [[DuelingMovies published only a year apart]]), the mountain where they are traveling to get home is called Bremon (only one-letter difference from the name of [[Literature/{{Shannara}} Allanon]]'s mentor), and the fact the mountain is a solitary peak in a wasteland within with a dragon sleeps is quite reminiscent of [[Literature/TheHobbit Erebor and Smaug]].

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** There are a number of amusing ones to other well-known fantasy works--aside from [[ArthurianCanon [[Myth/KingArthur Arta Myrdhyn]], Karl's warrior personality has the name [[Literature/TheBelgariad Barak]] (''Pawn of Prophecy'' and ''The Sleeping Dragon'' were [[DuelingMovies published only a year apart]]), the mountain where they are traveling to get home is called Bremon (only one-letter difference from the name of [[Literature/{{Shannara}} Allanon]]'s mentor), and the fact the mountain is a solitary peak in a wasteland within with a dragon sleeps is quite reminiscent of [[Literature/TheHobbit Erebor and Smaug]].
28th Dec '17 6:40:51 PM Ingonyama
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* LoveDodecahedron: For the first book, a rather complex and twisted one exists around the main four of the party, as both Walter and Karl were once involved with Doria, Karl is currently interested in Andrea, she in turn has a fling with Walter, and Doria shows signs of wanting to rekindle things with Karl at one point. It's also implied that James/Ahira has a thing for Doria which he obviously could never act on until having a physically active body (complicated by her often inadvertent but hurtful condescension/repellent attitude toward him). All of this is done away with after the first book, since Doria leaves the party for some time, Karl and Andrea become an item by the end of the book, and eventually Walter falls for her and marries one of the slaves they free--though this doesn't change his TheCasanova ways, he never shows anything but proper friendship for Andrea (or Doria, once she returns) after that.

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* LoveDodecahedron: For the first book, a rather complex and twisted one exists around the main four of the party, as both Walter and Karl were once involved with Doria, Karl is currently interested in Andrea, she in turn has a fling with Walter, and Doria shows signs of wanting to rekindle things with Karl at one point. It's also implied that James/Ahira has a thing for Doria which he obviously could never act on until having a physically active body (complicated by her often inadvertent but hurtful condescension/repellent attitude toward him). All of this is done away with after the first book, since Doria leaves the party for some time, Karl and Andrea become an item by the end of the book, and eventually Walter falls for her and marries one of the slaves they free--though this doesn't change his TheCasanova ways, he never shows anything but proper friendship for Andrea (or Doria, once she returns) after that.
28th Dec '17 6:40:07 PM Ingonyama
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* IChooseToStay: James Michael Finnigan, after getting the chance to leave his disabled body and become the dwarf warrior Ahira. Although it is never made clear, it's possible he can't go back even if he wanted to since his body on This Side was burned to a crisp and this may be a thing the Matriarch's magic cannot undo.

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* IChooseToStay: James Michael Finnigan, after getting the chance to leave his disabled body and become the dwarf warrior Ahira. Although it is never made clear, it's possible he can't go back even if he wanted to since his [[spoiler:his body on This Side was burned to a crisp and this may be a thing the Matriarch's magic cannot undo.undo]].
28th Dec '17 6:38:37 PM Ingonyama
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** Doria cannot regain her spells because unlike her cleric self, [[spoiler:she doesn't believe in a higher power anymore]], while Lou Riccetti, although already yearning for magic as [[IJustWantToBeSpecial something to give his life meaning]], takes on more and more of the arrogance and judgmental nature of Aristobulus toward the rest of the party [[spoiler:until he gives up his magic and other self to save Akira]].

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** Doria cannot regain her spells because unlike her cleric self, [[spoiler:she doesn't believe in a higher power anymore]], while Lou Riccetti, although already yearning for magic as [[IJustWantToBeSpecial something to give his life meaning]], takes on more and more of the arrogance and judgmental nature of Aristobulus toward the rest of the party [[spoiler:until he gives up his magic and other self to save Akira]].Ahira]].
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