History Literature / ForWhomTheBellTolls

17th Jun '16 5:16:24 PM Doug86
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* TheConspiracy: Robert Jordan muses on how "the Fascists" have a plan to TakeOverTheWorld, and just [[HeroicSacrifice fighting the war in Spain slows them down for years and does not allow them to attack other countries]]. [[WorldWarII Historical reality had proven a bit different]].

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* TheConspiracy: Robert Jordan muses on how "the Fascists" have a plan to TakeOverTheWorld, and just [[HeroicSacrifice fighting the war in Spain slows them down for years and does not allow them to attack other countries]]. [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Historical reality had proven a bit different]].
8th May '16 11:47:26 AM JamesAustin
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** Actually [[AvertedTrope averted]]. Yes, André Marty actually was [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Marty a real person]], and yes, he actually was that paranoid and batshit insane. He was sent by the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Comintern]] to Spain when the war started and was appointed as the political leader of the International Brigades. Supposedly about one tenth of all Republican Brigaders who died during the war were executed by him.
** [[VoiceOfTheResistance La Pasionaria]], who was also [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Ib%C3%A1rruri a real person]]. Judging by one of Sordo's guerrillas ridicule of her [[spoiler: when they're digging in for a LastStand on the hill]], it's pretty safe to say that Hemingway himself was not terribly fond of her.

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** Actually [[AvertedTrope averted]]. Yes, André Marty actually was [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Marty org/wiki/André_Marty a real person]], and yes, he actually was that paranoid and batshit insane. He was sent by the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Comintern]] to Spain when the war started and was appointed as the political leader of the International Brigades. Supposedly about one tenth of all Republican Brigaders who died during the war were executed by him.
** [[VoiceOfTheResistance La Pasionaria]], who was also [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Ib%C3%A1rruri org/wiki/Dolores_Ibárruri a real person]]. Judging by one of Sordo's guerrillas ridicule of her [[spoiler: when they're digging in for a LastStand on the hill]], it's pretty safe to say that Hemingway himself was not terribly fond of her.
8th May '16 11:40:00 AM JamesAustin
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->No man is an ''Iland'', intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the ''Continent'', a part of the ''maine''; if a ''Clod'' bee washed away by the ''Sea'', ''Europe'' is the lesse, as well as if a ''Promontorie'' were, as well as if a ''Mannor'' of thy ''friends'' or of ''thine'' ''owne '' were; any mans ''death'' diminishes ''me'', because I am involved in ''Mankinde''; And therefore never send to know for whom the ''bell'' tolls; It tolls for ''thee''.
->--'''Creator/JohnDonne''', quoted in the {{epigraph}}

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->No ->''"No man is an ''Iland'', intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the ''Continent'', a part of the ''maine''; if a ''Clod'' bee washed away by the ''Sea'', ''Europe'' is the lesse, as well as if a ''Promontorie'' were, as well as if a ''Mannor'' of thy ''friends'' or of ''thine'' ''owne '' were; any mans ''death'' diminishes ''me'', because I am involved in ''Mankinde''; And therefore never send to know for whom the ''bell'' tolls; It tolls for ''thee''.
->--'''Creator/JohnDonne''',
''thee''."''
-->--'''Creator/JohnDonne''',
quoted in the {{epigraph}}
30th Oct '15 1:59:44 PM Aquila89
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* TakeCareOfTheKids: A variation. [[spoiler: Robert's last request to Agustin is for him to take of Maria for him, turning down Agustin's offer of a MercyKill.]]

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* TakeCareOfTheKids: A variation. [[spoiler: Robert's last request to Agustin is for him to take care of Maria for him, turning down Agustin's offer of a MercyKill.]]
1st Oct '15 5:45:42 PM h27kim
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* DoubleMeaning: When Jordan first meets the guerrilla band, he mentions that his father is a Republican, which the latter takes to mean that he comes from a family sympathetic to their cause since their own side is also called "Republicans." Of course, in American politics, Republicans (especially in 1930s) were the anti-communist, pro-business, and isolationist party who were about the most hostile to the left wing Spanish guerrilas. It also implies that Jordan is a sort of RebelPrince from a wealthy family who ran away from his father to find something meaningful.
22nd Apr '15 10:27:15 PM WillBGood
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* DidTheEarthMoveForYouToo: Trope Coiner and [[TropeCodifier codifier.]]

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* DidTheEarthMoveForYouToo: Trope Coiner TropeNamer and [[TropeCodifier codifier.]]TropeCodifier.
22nd Apr '15 10:26:52 PM WillBGood
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* DidTheEarthMoveForYouToo: [[CaptainObvious Played straight]] with [[TropeMaker Robert Jordan and Maria.]]

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* DidTheEarthMoveForYouToo: [[CaptainObvious Played straight]] with [[TropeMaker Robert Jordan Trope Coiner and Maria.[[TropeCodifier codifier.]]
2nd Jan '15 11:54:50 AM Tallens
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* CompleteTheQuoteTitle: The title is part of a line from a devotional writing by Creator/JohnDonne. In this case, it's the previous line that is most thematically appropriate: "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind" (the novel is largely an exploration of the nature of [[TrueCompanions companionship]] in a time of war and death). However, completing the line that the title is taken from also makes it into a SpoilerTitle: "And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; [[spoiler:it tolls for thee]]."
23rd Dec '14 10:46:00 AM mlsmithca
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The story, which plays out over four days and three nights, is centered around Robert Jordan - no, not [[WheelOfTime that]] Robert Jordan - an American member of the [[EagleSquadron International Brigades]] who joined to fight for the Republic. His mission is to blow up a bridge in preparation for an offensive against the Nationalists, and to this purpose he enlists the help of a [[LaResistance small band of partisans]] in the hills nearby. He [[LoveAtFirstSight quickly]] begins an affair and falls in love with a girl called Maria, who has been freed from the captivity of the Fascists a few months prior.

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The story, which plays out over four days and three nights, is centered around Robert Jordan - no, not [[WheelOfTime [[Literature/WheelOfTime that]] Robert Jordan - an American member of the [[EagleSquadron International Brigades]] who joined to fight for the Republic. His mission is to blow up a bridge in preparation for an offensive against the Nationalists, and to this purpose he enlists the help of a [[LaResistance small band of partisans]] in the hills nearby. He [[LoveAtFirstSight quickly]] begins an affair and falls in love with a girl called Maria, who has been freed from the captivity of the Fascists a few months prior.



* [[spoiler: BolivianArmyEnding]]

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* [[spoiler: BolivianArmyEnding]]BolivianArmyEnding



** [[VoiceOfTheResistance La Pasionaria]], again [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Ib%C3%A1rruri a real person]] is more of a YMMV. However, judging by one of Sordo's guerrillas ridicule of her [[spoiler: when they're digging in for a LastStand on the hill]], it's pretty safe to say that Hemingway himself was not terribly fond of her.

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** [[VoiceOfTheResistance La Pasionaria]], again who was also [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Ib%C3%A1rruri a real person]] is more of a YMMV. However, judging person]]. Judging by one of Sordo's guerrillas ridicule of her [[spoiler: when they're digging in for a LastStand on the hill]], it's pretty safe to say that Hemingway himself was not terribly fond of her.



* RealMenDontCry: Thoroughly averted towards the end. Anselmo cries after killing the sentry on the bridge, although it doesn't stop him from helping Robert rig the explosives. He is rather ashamed of himself for doing so afterwards though. Averted even further at the very end by [[spoiler:Agustin and narrowly played straight by Robert.]]



* RealMenDontCry: Thoroughly averted towards the end. Anselmo cries after killing the sentry on the bridge, although it doesn't stop him from helping Robert rig the explosives. He is rather ashamed of himself for doing so afterwards though. Averted even further at the very end by [[spoiler:Agustin and narrowly played straight by Robert.]]



* TheTalk: Pilar tries this with Robert Jordan, with varying effects.



* TheTalk: Pilar tries this with Robert Jordan, with varying effects.
24th Jul '14 2:08:54 AM Nautilus1
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* TheConspiracy: Robert Jordan muses on how "the Fascists" have a plan to TakeOverTheWorld, and just [[HeroicSacrifice fighting the war in Spain slows them down for years and does not allow them to attack other countries]]. [[WorldWarII Historical reality had proven a bit different]].
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