History Literature / DowntimingTheNightSide

8th Aug '16 4:38:16 AM JustKnown
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* StartOfDarkness: Eric Benoni started as the eldest child of protagonists Ron and Dawn (who are actually the same person, thanks to the story's combination of StableTimeLoop and GenderBender, though Eric was never told that particular detail about his parentage) joined the antagonists because he blames the protagonists for the loss of his father. Subverted later when he captures Ron on a mission and learns that ''he's'' the reason his father never returned, making his StartOfDarkness self-inflicted.

to:

* StartOfDarkness: Eric Benoni started as the eldest child of protagonists Ron and Dawn (who [[spoiler:(who are actually the same person, thanks to the story's combination of StableTimeLoop and GenderBender, though neither Eric was never nor Ron were told that particular detail about his parentage) parentage)]] joined the antagonists because he blames the protagonists for the loss of his father. Subverted later when he captures Ron on a mission and learns that ''he's'' the reason his father never returned, making his StartOfDarkness self-inflicted.
8th Aug '16 4:04:01 AM JustKnown
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* TheDragon: Eric Benoni.
* ForWantOfANail: The protagonist turns out to be the nail. [[spoiler: He's the mother of the BigBad]]. And it's implied that other time travel experiments also "failed" because their subjects were forcibly recruited into the time war by future time travelers.

to:

* TheDragon: Eric Benoni.
Benoni. He'd be the BigBad but he works for a BiggerBad in the form of a Politburo-style committee.
* ForWantOfANail: The protagonist turns out to be the nail. [[spoiler: He's the mother of the BigBad]].TheDragon]]. And it's implied that other time travel experiments also "failed" because their subjects were forcibly recruited into the time war by future time travelers.



* TheGreatPoliticsMessUp: referenced as the antagonists are largely the inheritors of the old Communist block nations, who inherited the Earth by the simple expedient of waiting for the Capitalists to leave through planetary colonization. TheDragon, who has been given a relatively free hand in the time war, amuses himself by targeting Marx for a historical disruption.
* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: Played with, though the historical figure in question turns out to be Karl Marx instead of Adolf Hitler.



* MeaningfulName: Eric claims his ''nom de guerre'' "Benoni" means "son of my sorrow" in Hebrew.



* SciFi
* ScrewYourself: And have lots of children doing it, though by the point Dawn hooks up with her prior self Ron she'd tripped over as a woman several times and her earlier incarnation as Ron seemed less like a prior self than a fantasy lover.
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: Played against SetWrongWhatOnceWentRight as each side in the time war monkeys with past events to gain momentary advantage in the future. A time agent might be ordered to kill Karl Marx on one mission only to get tasked with saving him later (later meaning some future point in the agent's own subjective history.)
* SelfMadeOrphan: Combined with TrulySingleParent and EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas in a way that only a TimeyWimeyBall makes possible. Eric Benoni joined the antagonists because the protagonists sent his father Ron on a mission from which he never returned, not knowing (thanks to SanDimasTime) that Eric himself would be the antagonist who prevented his own father from returning, sending Ron on the stable time loop that transformed him into Eric's mother Dawn instead. So Eric actually enabled his own birth and his own StartOfDarkness in one twofer.

to:

* SciFi
SciFi: a prominent example
* ScrewYourself: And have lots of children doing it, [[spoiler: though by the point Dawn hooks up with her prior self Ron she'd tripped over as a woman several times and her earlier incarnation as Ron seemed less like a prior self than a fantasy lover.
lover.]]
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: Played against SetWrongWhatOnceWentRight MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight as each side in the time war monkeys with past events to gain momentary advantage in the future. A time agent might be ordered to kill Karl Marx on one mission only to get tasked with saving him later (later meaning some future point in the agent's own subjective history.)
) The protagonists are primarily distinguished from the antagonists in that they are reluctant to take the second course, though "wrong" and "right" are often subjective.
* SelfMadeOrphan: Combined with TrulySingleParent and EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas in a way that only a TimeyWimeyBall makes possible. Eric Benoni joined the antagonists because the protagonists sent his father Ron on a mission from which he never returned, not knowing (thanks to SanDimasTime) that Eric himself would be the antagonist who prevented his own father from returning, sending Ron on the stable time loop that transformed him into where he met [[spoiler: and became]] Eric's mother Dawn instead. So Eric actually enabled his own birth and his own StartOfDarkness in one twofer.



* StartOfDarkness: Eric Benoni started as the eldest child of Ron and Dawn (who are actually the same person, thanks to the story's combination of StableTimeLoop and GenderBender, though Eric was never told that particular detail about his parentage) joined the antagonists because he blames the protagonists for the loss of his father. Subverted later when he captures Ron on a mission and learns that ''he's'' the reason his father never returned, making his StartOfDarkness self-inflicted.

to:

* StartOfDarkness: Eric Benoni started as the eldest child of protagonists Ron and Dawn (who are actually the same person, thanks to the story's combination of StableTimeLoop and GenderBender, though Eric was never told that particular detail about his parentage) joined the antagonists because he blames the protagonists for the loss of his father. Subverted later when he captures Ron on a mission and learns that ''he's'' the reason his father never returned, making his StartOfDarkness self-inflicted.



* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent. That said, it still looks like a continuity snarl to the agents living through it because all of the intersecting time loops mean they often don't encounter the enemy or even their fellow agents in strict chronological order. Your next encounter might be in their subjective past, and thanks to "tripping" they might not be the same race or gender the next time you encounter them. One such incident resulted in Eric inadvertently nightsiding his own father.

to:

* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent. That said, it still looks like a continuity snarl to the agents living through it because all of the intersecting time loops mean they often don't encounter the enemy or even enemy, their fellow agents or even themselves in strict chronological order. Your next encounter might be in their subjective past, and thanks to "tripping" they might not be the same race or gender the next time you encounter them. One such incident resulted in Eric inadvertently nightsiding his own father. father [[spoiler: who returned after several "trips" to become Eric's mother.]]



* UnfortunateNames: Ron Moosic, the Hero. His grandfather renamed himself after the Pennsylvania city.

to:

* UnfortunateNames: Ron Moosic, the Hero. His grandfather grandfather, an immigrant with an unpronounceable name, renamed himself after the Pennsylvania city.city. IT proved an unfortunate choice.
7th Aug '16 8:19:52 PM JustKnown
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* TemporalParadox: Several.f

to:

* TemporalParadox: Several.f Both sides are either trying to cause them if they benefit themselves or smooth them out if they benefit the enemy



* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent. That said, it still looks like a continuity snarl to the agents living it because all of the intersecting stable time loops mean you often don't encounter the enemy or even your fellow agents in strict chronological order. Your next meeting might be in their subjective past, such as the incident where Eric inadvertently nightsides his own father.
* TimePolice: The hero is forcibly recruited.
* TrulySingleParent: Using a GenderBender, ScrewYourself and a StableTimeLoop instead of cloning, but still...

to:

* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent. That said, it still looks like a continuity snarl to the agents living through it because all of the intersecting stable time loops mean you they often don't encounter the enemy or even your their fellow agents in strict chronological order. Your next meeting encounter might be in their subjective past, and thanks to "tripping" they might not be the same race or gender the next time you encounter them. One such as the incident where resulted in Eric inadvertently nightsides nightsiding his own father.
father.
* TimePolice: The hero is forcibly recruited.
recruited.
* TrulySingleParent: Using a GenderBender, ScrewYourself GenderBender and a StableTimeLoop followed by ScrewYourself instead of cloning, but still...
7th Aug '16 8:00:42 PM JustKnown
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* MentalTimeTravel

to:

* MentalTimeTravelMentalTimeTravel: in effect but possibly not reality: OntologicalInertia causes each time traveler's personality to get inserted into a person of that time period. Whether or not that person actually existed prior to the time traveller's arrival is never made clear.



* ScrewYourself: And have lots of children doing it.
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong
* SelfMadeOrphan: Combined with TrulySingleParent and EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas in a way that only a TimeyWimeyBall makes possible.

to:

* ScrewYourself: And have lots of children doing it.
it, though by the point Dawn hooks up with her prior self Ron she'd tripped over as a woman several times and her earlier incarnation as Ron seemed less like a prior self than a fantasy lover.
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong
SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: Played against SetWrongWhatOnceWentRight as each side in the time war monkeys with past events to gain momentary advantage in the future. A time agent might be ordered to kill Karl Marx on one mission only to get tasked with saving him later (later meaning some future point in the agent's own subjective history.)
* SelfMadeOrphan: Combined with TrulySingleParent and EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas in a way that only a TimeyWimeyBall makes possible. Eric Benoni joined the antagonists because the protagonists sent his father Ron on a mission from which he never returned, not knowing (thanks to SanDimasTime) that Eric himself would be the antagonist who prevented his own father from returning, sending Ron on the stable time loop that transformed him into Eric's mother Dawn instead. So Eric actually enabled his own birth and his own StartOfDarkness in one twofer.



* TemporalParadox: Several.
* TimeMachine
* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.

to:

* StartOfDarkness: Eric Benoni started as the eldest child of Ron and Dawn (who are actually the same person, thanks to the story's combination of StableTimeLoop and GenderBender, though Eric was never told that particular detail about his parentage) joined the antagonists because he blames the protagonists for the loss of his father. Subverted later when he captures Ron on a mission and learns that ''he's'' the reason his father never returned, making his StartOfDarkness self-inflicted.
* TakeAThirdOption: The protagonists eliminate TheDragon through the simple expedient of reuniting his familuy before his StartOfDarkness, severing that particular StableTimeLoop and nightsiding him.
* TemporalParadox: Several.
Several.f
* TimeMachine
TimeMachine: several variations and upgrades, from primitive "time suits" to more sophisticated belts and wristbands.
* TimeyWimeyBall: And how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent. That said, it still looks like a continuity snarl to the agents living it because all of the intersecting stable time loops mean you often don't encounter the enemy or even your fellow agents in strict chronological order. Your next meeting might be in their subjective past, such as the incident where Eric inadvertently nightsides his own father.



* TrulySingleParent: Using a Gender Bender and a StableTimeLoop instead of cloning, but still...
* UnfortunateNames: Ron Moosic, the Hero.

to:

* TrulySingleParent: Using a Gender Bender GenderBender, ScrewYourself and a StableTimeLoop instead of cloning, but still...
* UnfortunateNames: Ron Moosic, the Hero. His grandfather renamed himself after the Pennsylvania city.


Added DiffLines:

* UsedToBeASweetKid: TheDragon used to be the hero's eldest son--something neither of them is particularly thrilled to learn.


Added DiffLines:

* XanatosGambit: The protagonists are playing for time, and even gave TheDragon his StartOfDarkness because they knew he'd extend the war,
28th Jul '16 9:05:55 PM Theriocephalus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* NoOntologicalInertia: Subverted. "nightsiding" people (cutting them off from their prior selves) does not make them disappear or eliminate what they have done, but it does make them vulnerable to OntologicalInertia
* OntologicalInertia: played with as well. Time does its level best to shunt time jumpers into insignificant people who can't or won't affect the timestream. And if you get nightsided, watch out, because time does not like loose ends.

to:

* NoOntologicalInertia: Subverted. "nightsiding" "Nightsiding" people (cutting them off from their prior selves) does not make them disappear or eliminate what they have done, but it does make them vulnerable to OntologicalInertia
* OntologicalInertia: played with as well.Played with. Time does its level best to shunt time jumpers into insignificant people who can't or won't affect the timestream. And if you get nightsided, watch out, because time does not like loose ends.



* RippleEffectProofMemory: Subverted: You lose some of yourself (and gain some of the personality of your new host) every time you 'trip'. And if you spend too much time in the host's era afterwards you'll be totally assimilated. The heroes use an entire supercomputer just to keep track of the temporal logistics to prevent this from happening to their troops, and it means some people can't go on some missions because they'll exceed their exposure time.

to:

* RippleEffectProofMemory: Subverted: You you lose some of yourself (and gain some of the personality of your new host) every time you 'trip'. And if you spend too much time in the host's era afterwards you'll be totally assimilated. The heroes use an entire supercomputer just to keep track of the temporal logistics to prevent this from happening to their troops, and it means some people can't go on some missions because they'll exceed their exposure time.



* TimeyWimeyBall: And how.
** JustifiedTrope. The rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.

to:

* TimeyWimeyBall: And how.
** JustifiedTrope. The
how. {{Justified|Trope}} -- the rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.



* WordOfGod: Chalker claimed that he wrote this story in an attempt to address the questions raised--[[TakeThat but not answered]] -- by Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/AllYouZombies''.

to:

* WordOfGod: Chalker claimed that he wrote this story in an attempt to address the questions raised--[[TakeThat raised -- [[TakeThat but not answered]] -- by Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/AllYouZombies''.
28th Jul '16 9:00:08 PM Theriocephalus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ForWantOfANail: The protagonist turns out to be the nail. [[spoiler: he's the mother of the BigBad]] And it's implied that other time travel experiments also "failed" because their subjects were forcibly recruited into the time war by future time travelers.

to:

* ForWantOfANail: The protagonist turns out to be the nail. [[spoiler: he's He's the mother of the BigBad]] BigBad]]. And it's implied that other time travel experiments also "failed" because their subjects were forcibly recruited into the time war by future time travelers.
31st Oct '15 11:13:50 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


Predates QuantumLeap by more than a decade.

to:

Predates QuantumLeap ''Series/QuantumLeap'' by more than a decade.
23rd Oct '15 6:57:04 PM loracarol
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** [[Justified]]. The rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.

to:

** [[Justified]].JustifiedTrope. The rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.
11th Jul '15 11:43:28 AM GuyYouMetOnline
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** [[Justified]]. The rules of time travel ''appear'' to change around, but that's only because it's so poorly understood that nobody knows what the rules actually are. Combine this with improvements to the process and the technology, and things look especially inconsistent.
2nd Jun '15 10:14:03 AM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


Notorious but better-than-it-sounds [[SciFi science fiction]] novel by the equally notorious [[JackChalker Jack L. Chalker]]. It posits a world in which TimeTravel to or from the past is possible by [[MentalTimeTravel "leaping"]] into the body of a person of that time. There is a catch: spend too much time in the past, and you'll 'trip' and be stuck as that person permanently, even if you return to the present.

to:

Notorious but better-than-it-sounds [[SciFi science fiction]] novel by the equally notorious [[JackChalker [[Creator/JackChalker Jack L. Chalker]]. It posits a world in which TimeTravel to or from the past is possible by [[MentalTimeTravel "leaping"]] into the body of a person of that time. There is a catch: spend too much time in the past, and you'll 'trip' and be stuck as that person permanently, even if you return to the present.
This list shows the last 10 events of 12. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.DowntimingTheNightSide