History Literature / Dodger

27th Dec '16 4:37:14 AM DaibhidC
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* PublicDomainCharacter: SweeneyTodd.



* PublicDomainCharacter: SweeneyTodd.
6th Oct '16 1:43:34 AM C105
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* ActuallyThatsMyAssistant: Invoked by [[spoiler:the Outlander, who is known as a man with wildly varying appearances always accompanied by a beautiful lady whom nobody seems to have given much attention to. Turns out ''she'' is the Outlander and the men her assistants. Simplicity is the only one who makes the connection.]]
24th Sep '16 3:34:06 AM CoinCollector
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* AltarDiplomacy: [[spoiler:Simplicity's father-in-law]] becomes furious after finding out that his [[PrinceCharmless son]] has ruined any chance of forming a 'treaty of flesh' with neighbouring countries by running off with her. It's his efforts to 'fix' this problem which kick starts the plot.


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* MacGuffin: Charlie describes Simplicity's wedding ring as a "ring which means something". And he's right - it turns out to be a [[spoiler: royal heirloom which said royal family desperately want back in their possession, preferably without Simplicity attached to it]].
* MarryForLove: [[spoiler: Simplicity and her Prince's]] marriage was originally this, but it quickly soured into something cruel and abusive once his [[AltarDiplomacy responsiblities]] came a-knocking. Dodger and Simplicity's relationship, on the other hand, plays it straight.


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* PrinceCharmless: While at first she thought he was a regular PrinceCharming,[[spoiler: Simplicity's husband]] quickly morphs into one after his father makes it clear that he's less than pleased about their marriage.
* RagsToRoyalty: [[spoiler: Simplicity's]] backstory, though unfortunately she didn't wind up living happily ever after.


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* RescueRomance: Dodger and Simplicity.
12th Apr '16 6:02:44 AM Bissek
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In the author's notes at the back of the book Sir Pterry openly admits that there was no point in history when all the [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Historical Domain Characters]] were in the roles described in the book simultaneously (For example, while Sir Robert Peel ''had'' been Home Secretary at one point in his life, he had left the post before Queen Victoria took the throne). Hr also notes that the Chronicle changed addresses frequently, but he put it in Fleet Street, because that's where it ''should'' have been.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In the author's notes at the back of the book Sir Pterry openly admits that there was no point in history when all the [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Historical Domain Characters]] were in the roles described in the book simultaneously (For example, while Sir Robert Peel ''had'' been Home Secretary at one point in his life, he had left the post before Queen Victoria took the throne). Hr He also notes that the Chronicle changed addresses frequently, but he put it in Fleet Street, because that's where it ''should'' have been.



* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: SweeneyTodd again. He's pretty much stumbling around, sweating heavily and muttering about idiots who try to kick cannonballs while waving his razor blade around. He seems to think that everyone who comes into his shop is horribly wounded, and... [[Discworld/NightWatch gives what help he can]].

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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: SweeneyTodd again. He's pretty much stumbling around, sweating heavily and muttering about idiots who try to kick cannonballs while waving his razor blade around. He seems to think that everyone who comes into his shop is horribly wounded, and... [[Discworld/NightWatch gives what help he can]].
26th Oct '15 6:02:28 AM Bissek
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* UnableToSupportAWife: Dodger invokes this on himself at the end of the book, saying he won't marry Simplicity until he can find a better job than toshing. Fortunately, the adventures he got into over the course of the book give him the contacts he needs to find a better job within a chapter.
22nd May '15 4:29:22 AM DaibhidC
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In the author's notes at the back of the book Sir Pterry openly admits that there was no point in history when all the [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Historical Domain Characters]] were in the roles described in the book simultaneously (For example, while Sir Robert Peel ''had'' been Home Secretary at one point in his life, he had left the post before Queen Victoria took the throne).

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In the author's notes at the back of the book Sir Pterry openly admits that there was no point in history when all the [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Historical Domain Characters]] were in the roles described in the book simultaneously (For example, while Sir Robert Peel ''had'' been Home Secretary at one point in his life, he had left the post before Queen Victoria took the throne). Hr also notes that the Chronicle changed addresses frequently, but he put it in Fleet Street, because that's where it ''should'' have been.
22nd Mar '15 5:42:07 AM DaibhidC
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* SpinOff: ''Terry Pratchett Presents: Jack Dodger's Guide to London'', a non-fiction book in the same format as ''Terry Pratchett Presents: Miss Felicity Beedle's Discworld/TheWorldOfPoo'', which is essentially the world's longest NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer.
31st Jan '15 12:24:19 PM Bissek
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In the author's notes at the back of the book Sir Pterry openly admits that there was no point in history when all the [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Historical Domain Characters]] were in the roles described in the book simultaneously (For example, while Sir Robert Peel ''had'' been Home Secretary at one point in his life, he had left the post before Queen Victoria took the throne).
6th Jan '15 8:53:04 PM Angeldeb82
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* DamselInDistress: Simplicity is introduced as one, though in the latter parts of the novel she reveals herself to be smarter and more resourceful than she first appears.



* DistressedDamsel: Simplicity is introduced as one, though in the latter parts of the novel she reveals herself to be smarter and more resourceful than she first appears.



* EmbarrassingFirstName: And last name as well. There's a reason why Dodger prefers to be known by his nickname rather than by his actual name, [[spoiler: Pip Stick]]
* FemmeFatale: [[spoiler: The Outlander]]

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* EmbarrassingFirstName: And last name as well. There's a reason why Dodger prefers to be known by his nickname rather than by his actual name, [[spoiler: Pip Stick]]
Stick]].
* FemmeFatale: [[spoiler: The Outlander]]Outlander.]]



** We also get brief cameoes by [[Magazine/{{Punch}} John]] [[Literature/AliceInWonderland Tenniel]], George Cayley, Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace, and [[UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria Queen Victoria]] and Prince Albert show up at the very end.

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** We also get brief cameoes by [[Magazine/{{Punch}} John]] [[Literature/AliceInWonderland [[Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland Tenniel]], George Cayley, Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace, and [[UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria Queen Victoria]] UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria and Prince Albert show up at the very end.



** Finally, there are Solomon's references to a fellow Jew he traveled with around Europe avoiding murder, whose zeal for equality of class he quite admired. He was a young man named [[Creator/KarlMarx Karl]].

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** Finally, there are Solomon's references to a fellow Jew he traveled with around Europe avoiding murder, whose zeal for equality of class he quite admired. He was a young man named [[Creator/KarlMarx Karl]].Creator/{{Karl|Marx}}.



** At one point Dickens uses the phrase "great expectations" and [[Literature/GreatExpectations immediately makes a note of it]]. This is shortly before learning [[spoiler: that Dodger's real name is Pip]]. He also notes down Dodger's use of the phrase "[[Literature/BleakHouse bleak house]]", and clearly makes a mental note when Dodger finishes his soup and asks for more.

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** At one point Dickens uses the phrase "great expectations" and [[Literature/GreatExpectations immediately makes a note of it]]. This is shortly before learning [[spoiler: that Dodger's real name is Pip]]. He also notes down Dodger's use of the phrase "[[Literature/BleakHouse bleak house]]", "Literature/{{bleak house}}", and clearly makes a mental note when Dodger finishes his soup and asks for more.



* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: SweeneyTodd again. He's pretty much stumbling around, sweating heavily and muttering about idiots who try to kick cannonballs while waving his razor blade around. He seems to think that everyone who comes into his shop is horribly wounded, and . . . [[Discworld/NightWatch gives what help he can.]]

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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: SweeneyTodd again. He's pretty much stumbling around, sweating heavily and muttering about idiots who try to kick cannonballs while waving his razor blade around. He seems to think that everyone who comes into his shop is horribly wounded, and . . . and... [[Discworld/NightWatch gives what help he can.]]can]].
3rd Jan '15 2:58:55 PM SaramarCar
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* AntiVillain: Sweeny Todd, whose actions are caused thanks to ''extreme'' PTSD. Dodger is more than a little disturbed at how he's treated as a monster in the press and in the stories of Dodger's fight with him

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* AntiVillain: Sweeny Sweeney Todd, whose actions are caused thanks to ''extreme'' PTSD. Dodger is more than a little disturbed at how he's treated as a monster in the press and in the stories of Dodger's fight with him
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