History Literature / Destroyermen

31st Mar '18 4:42:58 AM RedScharlach
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* AmericaSavesTheDay: Yup, it happens . . . [[OnceAnEpisode in every single book]]...sort of. The Americans are no stranger to being BigDamnHeroes, but the 'Cats aren't exactly helpless, either. Most of the "saving" is done indirectly, too: the Americans ''cannot'' do the lion's share themselves, so they work ''with'' the 'Cats as much as lead the effort. It's also made ''very'' clear Matt and his crew wouldn't stand a chance if the 'Cats weren't helping ''them'' out, too.

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* AmericaSavesTheDay: Yup, it happens . . .happens... [[OnceAnEpisode in every single book]]...sort of. The Americans are no stranger to being BigDamnHeroes, but the 'Cats aren't exactly helpless, either. Most of the "saving" is done indirectly, too: the Americans ''cannot'' do the lion's share themselves, so they work ''with'' the 'Cats as much as lead the effort. It's also made ''very'' clear Matt and his crew wouldn't stand a chance if the 'Cats weren't helping ''them'' out, too.



** Don't forget Silva's "projects," like the [[{{BFG}} "Doom Whomper"]]. He's also the one who figures out a quick and easy way to convert a muzzle-loading musket into a a breech-loading rifle in the field. This proves a popular choice, since it takes a lot longer to manufacture enough "normal" guns for the entire army than the conversion kits.

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** Don't forget Silva's "projects," like the [[{{BFG}} "Doom Whomper"]]. He's also the one who figures out a quick and easy way to convert a muzzle-loading musket into a a breech-loading rifle in the field. This proves a popular choice, since it takes a lot longer to manufacture enough "normal" guns for the entire army than the conversion kits.



** The American crews come over as this with first the Lemurians, and later the Imperials who've mostly been stuck in an early 19th century civilization since their own arrival with Reddy and others wasting no opportunity to point out how inferior their technology and ways of doing things is compared to theirs.

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** The American crews come over as this with first the Lemurians, and later the Imperials who've mostly been stuck in an early 19th century 19th-century civilization since their own arrival with Reddy and others wasting no opportunity to point out how inferior their technology and ways of doing things is compared to theirs.



* TheMultiverse: In ''Deadly Shores'', Courtney Bradford reveals his theory on the nature of the mysterious squalls coupled with the existence of the Republic of Real People, composed of descendants of various arrivals whose histories differ from both ours and each other’s . He proposes that the Lemurian/Grik world acts as a sort of "dumping ground" for a multitude of other parallel worlds. The most recent arrivals, the German crew and British prisoners of the SS ''Amerika'' (a German transport converted into a warship during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI) claim to have fought a battle with another converted transport before being swept up by a storm. Reddy explains that, according to the history he studied, the SS ''Amerika'' didn't fight during that war and was converted into a troop transport under an American flag (and it didn't disappear). Most of Courtney's audience leaves halfway through his presentation, being utterly confused. Others who understand are still having trouble grasping the idea of an infinite number of universes, despite the fact that there are clearly at least two parallel worlds.

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* TheMultiverse: In ''Deadly Shores'', Courtney Bradford reveals his theory on the nature of the mysterious squalls coupled with the existence of the Republic of Real People, composed of descendants of various arrivals whose histories differ from both ours and each other’s .other’s. He proposes that the Lemurian/Grik world acts as a sort of "dumping ground" for a multitude of other parallel worlds. The most recent arrivals, the German crew and British prisoners of the SS ''Amerika'' (a German transport converted into a warship during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI) claim to have fought a battle with another converted transport before being swept up by a storm. Reddy explains that, according to the history he studied, the SS ''Amerika'' didn't fight during that war and was converted into a troop transport under an American flag (and it didn't disappear). Most of Courtney's audience leaves halfway through his presentation, being utterly confused. Others who understand are still having trouble grasping the idea of an infinite number of universes, despite the fact that there are clearly at least two parallel worlds.



* OceanPunk: Pretty much the entire setting. It's a sailor's wet dream. You have vessels from both world wars, 19th-century vessels of the New British Empire, as well as a few for the Alliance, and 17th-century warships used by the Grik - armed with catapults. Two of the weirder examples are Spanish galleons with paddle wheels strapped to the sides of their ships and giant wooden aircraft carriers powered by steam that are also home to Cats.

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* OceanPunk: Pretty much the entire setting. It's a sailor's wet dream. You have vessels from both world wars, 19th-century vessels of the New British Empire, as well as a few for the Alliance, and 17th-century warships used by the Grik - -- armed with catapults. Two of the weirder examples are Spanish galleons with paddle wheels strapped to the sides of their ships and giant wooden aircraft carriers powered by steam that are also home to Cats.



** Hoo boy. You've got UsefulNotes/WorldWarI- and [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII II]]-era tech with the destroyers [[spoiler: and a Japanese battle-cruiser]], eighteenth-century tech with the Grik's ships, and roughly Bronze Age (Leavened with some Iron) tech with the Lemurians...who the Americans train to fight in a Roman shield wall. Supported by bronze cannons. And this is just the first two books...

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** Hoo boy. You've got UsefulNotes/WorldWarI- and [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII II]]-era tech with the destroyers [[spoiler: and a Japanese battle-cruiser]], eighteenth-century 18th-century tech with the Grik's ships, and roughly Bronze Age (Leavened (leavened with some Iron) tech with the Lemurians...who the Americans train to fight in a Roman shield wall. Supported by bronze cannons. And this is just the first two books...



** Used in universe - the human characters are stuck with a mid-20th century understanding of dinosaurs and evolution whilst interacting with dinosaurs and lemurs written with an early-21st century understanding of dinosaurs.

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** Used in universe - the human characters are stuck with a mid-20th century mid-20th-century understanding of dinosaurs and evolution whilst interacting with dinosaurs and lemurs written with an early-21st century early 21st-century understanding of dinosaurs.
31st Jan '18 11:01:57 PM Mitchz95
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* InappropriatelyCloseComrades: Matt Reddy and Sandra Tucker become attracted to one another in the early books, which leads to ShipperOnDeck from some ''Walker'' crew members, but they initially refuse to act on it on grounds that it could cause discipline problems to see TheCaptain getting some when the crew largely can't (there being only about five human women, all of them Sandra's fellow nurses, for a hundred-plus men). [[spoiler:After they make contact with the Empire of New Britain, one of the early deals leads to indentured women being brought to Baalkpan.]]

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* InappropriatelyCloseComrades: Matt Reddy and Sandra Tucker become attracted to one another in the early books, which leads to ShipperOnDeck from some ''Walker'' crew members, but they initially refuse to act on it on grounds that it could cause discipline problems to see TheCaptain getting some when the crew largely can't (there being only about five human women, all of them Sandra's fellow nurses, for a hundred-plus men). [[spoiler:After they make contact with the Empire of New Britain, one of the early deals leads to indentured formerly-indentured women being brought invited to live in Baalkpan.]]
31st Jan '18 8:59:27 PM Discar
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** Governor-Emperor Gerald [=McDonald=] of the Empire of New Britain is, actually, a ReasonableAuthorityFigure. In fact, New Britain is more like TheKingdom than TheEmpire, although it does have colonies in far-away lands.

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** Governor-Emperor Gerald [=McDonald=] of the Empire of New Britain is, actually, a ReasonableAuthorityFigure. In fact, New Britain is more like TheKingdom the kingdom than TheEmpire, although it does have colonies in far-away lands.



* TheEmpire: The Grik, [[spoiler: especially with UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan helping them]]. Also the Holy Dominion, a theocracy in the Americas derived from Spanish conquistadors having mixed Catholicism with {{Mayincatec}} religious beliefs. Subverted with the Empire of New Britain, which is really TheKingdom with a little OneNationUnderCopyright for flavor.

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* TheEmpire: The Grik, [[spoiler: especially with UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan helping them]]. Also the Holy Dominion, a theocracy in the Americas derived from Spanish conquistadors having mixed Catholicism with {{Mayincatec}} religious beliefs. Subverted with the Empire of New Britain, which is really TheKingdom the kingdom with a little OneNationUnderCopyright for flavor.
25th Dec '17 7:59:27 PM StarSword
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* InNameOnly: [[spoiler: Grik-built ''[=ArataAmagi=]''-class battleships have nothing to do with the original ''Amagi'' and are, instead derived from the basic design of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Virginia CSS Virginia]], only much larger, with four stacks, and with the casemate covering only 3/4 of the ship]].
** Ditto for the [[spoiler: ‘‘Azuma’’-class cruisers, whose design is modeled on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ironclad_K%C5%8Dtetsu Japan's first ironclad]], and has nothing in common with the RealLife cruiser ''Azuma'']].

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* InNameOnly: [[spoiler: Grik-built ''[=ArataAmagi=]''-class battleships have nothing to do with the original ''Amagi'' and are, are instead derived from the basic design of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Virginia CSS Virginia]], only much larger, with four stacks, and with the casemate covering only 3/4 of the ship]].
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ship]]. Ditto for the [[spoiler: ‘‘Azuma’’-class ''Azuma''-class cruisers, whose design is modeled on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ironclad_K%C5%8Dtetsu Japan's first ironclad]], and has nothing in common with the RealLife cruiser ''Azuma'']].


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* InappropriatelyCloseComrades: Matt Reddy and Sandra Tucker become attracted to one another in the early books, which leads to ShipperOnDeck from some ''Walker'' crew members, but they initially refuse to act on it on grounds that it could cause discipline problems to see TheCaptain getting some when the crew largely can't (there being only about five human women, all of them Sandra's fellow nurses, for a hundred-plus men). [[spoiler:After they make contact with the Empire of New Britain, one of the early deals leads to indentured women being brought to Baalkpan.]]
25th Dec '17 7:53:17 PM StarSword
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* FinaglesLaw: In ''Maelstrom'', the Baalkpan Lemurians note that the American philosophy in this regard is to "hope for the best, but plan for the worst". During the same conversation, the Queen of B'mbaado quotes one of Murphy's Laws of Combat almost to the letter (the one that says no battle plan survives contact with the enemy).

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* FinaglesLaw: In ''Maelstrom'', the Baalkpan Lemurians note that the American philosophy in this regard is to "hope for the best, but plan for the worst". During the same conversation, the Queen of B'mbaado quotes one of Murphy's Laws of Combat almost to the letter (the one Marshal Helmuth von Moltke's maxim that says no "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy).enemy" almost to the letter.
11th Dec '17 7:47:19 AM bobert3020
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The author, being a dedicated man to say the least, has built a lifesize model of the Doomwhomper and it shows just how LARGE a man Silva actually is, with the gun being almost 6 feet long.
28th Nov '17 9:59:20 PM YT45
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* TheChainsOfCommanding: A common theme amongst the various Allied commanders, from Captain Reddy to captains of individual ships to infantry company commanders on the ground. WarIsHell, victory costs lives, defeat means extinction, and the costs weigh heavily on those who have to make the decisions.
26th Nov '17 5:31:56 PM nombretomado
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* ColonelBadass: [[ImperialJapan Tamatsu]] [[HonorBeforeReason Shinya]].

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* ColonelBadass: [[ImperialJapan [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan Tamatsu]] [[HonorBeforeReason Shinya]].



* TheEmpire: The Grik, [[spoiler: especially with ImperialJapan helping them]]. Also the Holy Dominion, a theocracy in the Americas derived from Spanish conquistadors having mixed Catholicism with {{Mayincatec}} religious beliefs. Subverted with the Empire of New Britain, which is really TheKingdom with a little OneNationUnderCopyright for flavor.

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* TheEmpire: The Grik, [[spoiler: especially with ImperialJapan UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan helping them]]. Also the Holy Dominion, a theocracy in the Americas derived from Spanish conquistadors having mixed Catholicism with {{Mayincatec}} religious beliefs. Subverted with the Empire of New Britain, which is really TheKingdom with a little OneNationUnderCopyright for flavor.
12th Nov '17 7:12:01 AM YT45
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** The Republic is a slightly-more literal example.



* HistoricalInJoke: When the ''Walker'' faces off against the ''Hidoiame'', the former tries to bluff the latter by identifying herself as a cruiser (which fails). At pretty much the same time as ''Walker''. ''Mahan'', ''Pope'', and the two Royal Navy vessels were battling the ''Amagi'' during the Battle of the Java Sea, one of their Clemson-class cousins, the [=USS=] ''Edsall'', was taking on multiple [=IJN=] surface vessels south of the island of Java, having been misidentified as a ''Marblehead''-class cruiser (The [=USS=] ''Marblehead'' is an Omaha-class light cruiser).

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* HistoricalInJoke: When the ''Walker'' faces off against the ''Hidoiame'', the former tries to bluff the latter by identifying herself as a cruiser (which fails). At pretty much the same time as ''Walker''. ''Mahan'', ''Pope'', and the two Royal Navy vessels were battling the ''Amagi'' during the Battle of the Java Sea, one of their Clemson-class cousins, the [=USS=] ''Edsall'', was taking on multiple [=IJN=] surface vessels south of the island of Java, having been misidentified as a ''Marblehead''-class an ''Omaha''-class light cruiser (The [=USS=] ([=USS=] ''Marblehead'' is an Omaha-class light cruiser).was one of the few ships larger than a destroyer in the Asiatic Fleet at the start of the war). From a distance, ''Omaha''-class cruisers really did resemble four-stacker destroyers at first glance.



* NobleDemon: Commander Sato of ''Amagi''. He despises the Grik, and believes negotiating with the Americans is a viable option...but this is more due to ''Amagi'''s captain being [[AxeCrazy a complete lunatic]] than anything else.

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* NobleDemon: NobleDemon:
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Commander Sato of ''Amagi''. He despises the Grik, and believes negotiating with the Americans is a viable option...but this is more due to ''Amagi'''s captain being [[AxeCrazy a complete lunatic]] than anything else.else.
** General Ghanan Nerino [[CharacterDevelopment grows]] into this, after his [[GeneralFailure rather unimpressive]] initial performance.
12th Nov '17 7:05:25 AM YT45
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** ''Deadly Shores'' reveals that the Dominion’s (relatively) tamed man-eating grikbirds are “lesser dragons,” and drops a teasing hint about the Dominion army having a “greater” breed in captivity. [[spoiler: These beasties make their appearance in ''Straits of Hell'' during the assault on Fort Defiance: enormous Allosaurian creatures wrangled by “dragon monks” (a few of whom become appetizers when the things are released into battle) able to shrug off anything short of field artillery. Even the elephant guns used by the Imperial St. Francis Volunteers are ineffectual against them. As Captain Blas-Ma-Ar observes, “We just pissin’ it off!”]]
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