History Literature / DecadesOfDarkness

18th Dec '15 4:50:38 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: Vitalism. Fun fact: The New England Vitalists' [[{{Blackshirt}} paramilitary wing]] wears [[{{Redshirt}} red shirts]].

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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: Vitalism. ANaziByAnyOtherName:
** Vitalism, a political movement that emerges from a defeated, bitter New England in the 1920s, is TTL's name for fascism (the name derived from the idea of 'restoring vitality to a dying nation'), and it comes complete with all manner of academic arguments as to what ''real'' vitalism is and just what nations qualified as vitalist (arguments that should be familiar to anybody who's studied OTL's fascism).
Fun fact: The New England Vitalists' [[{{Blackshirt}} paramilitary wing]] wears [[{{Redshirt}} red shirts]].shirts]].
** A good case can be made that the *US is starting to approach this by the end of the timeline, with Amber Jarrett's pseudo-Nietzschean philosophy indicating that its white nationalist/supremacist ideology is crystallizing into something even nastier. Another case can be made that the *US crossed that line long ago.
18th Dec '15 4:31:03 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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''Decades of Darkness'' is one of the most influential AH.com timelines, and its style of presentation has inspired many others. It is often cited alongside earlier works from soc.history.what-if such as ''For All Time'' as among the classics of AlternateHistory WebOriginal work. It was concluded on January 20, 2009. A series of vignettes and a novel exploring the future of this world remain in the works.

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''Decades of Darkness'' is one of the most influential AH.com timelines, and its style of presentation presentation, a mix of academic/historical documents providing the 'big picture' and narrative segments following the characters involved with and observing the events (from the leaders and generals to the average Joes and Janes), has inspired many others. It is often cited alongside earlier works from soc.history.what-if such as ''For All Time'' as among the classics of AlternateHistory WebOriginal work. It was concluded on January 20, 2009. A series of vignettes and a novel exploring the future of this world remain in the works.
16th Nov '15 12:42:26 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* DeepSouth: The *US is this trope writ large, with the culture and values of the planter elites of Old Dixie guiding the nation in its conquest of the Americas.



* MarySueTopia: While not really implausible, the Kingdom of Australia and its people are too perfect and successful to be a realistic country, in the eyes of some.
** Actually, they're still not as good as the real Australia is. Just kidding. I'd like to point out this may be a case of AuthorAppeal(as is the case with many other things in the TL). Not to mention that real problems in the country have been talked about, including not having enough water and extreme environmental degradation.
** Liberia fits this trope squarely, the land of former slaves from the Americas. Contrary to real-world Liberia, where different factions have fought one another in one of Africa's longest and cruelest civil wars, it is peaceful and prosperous, with leading figures declaring that race does not matter in their eyes. Even more remarkable when the citizens come not only from the United States, as in the real Liberia, but also from all over the Caribbean, yet still enjoy enlightened fraternal harmony. With no enforced servitude, contrary to black history in real-world Africa. Certainly a case of AuthorAppeal.
*** Not quite. It experienced [[spoiler:a coup d'etat in the last phase of the Great war]]. *Liberia's status as a model nation is the result of a more favorable location and greater immigration and investment into the new nation.
**** While there is a coup d'état toward the end of the story, there is nowhere near the brutality of the real Liberia, or the strife and corruption in most African nations. Likewise, tribal divisions are mostly non-existent in Liberia, making it highly distinct from real-world Africa.
***** It fits for the story Liberia to be highly distinct from real-world Liberia. Real-world Liberia was founded by a little over ten thousand voluntary emigrants to an unwelcoming environment, while the story Liberia was formed by over a hundred thousand people expelled from the United States because of their race, and moved to a different climate. The story Liberia is essentially part of the United States transplanted into Africa.

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* MarySueTopia: MarySueTopia:
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While not really implausible, the Kingdom of Australia and its people are too perfect and successful to be a realistic country, in the eyes of some.
** Actually, they're still not as good as the real Australia is. Just kidding. I'd like to point out this
some. This may be a case of AuthorAppeal(as AuthorAppeal (as is the case with many other things in the TL). Not to mention that TL; the writer is Australian). Furthermore, real problems in the country have been talked about, including not having enough water and extreme environmental degradation.
degradation and water shortages from having a population of 52 million people by TheFifties (greater than that of OTL's combined Australia, New Zealand, and New Guinea -- in the present day, mind you).
** Liberia fits this trope squarely, Whether or not Liberia, the land of former slaves from the Americas. Contrary to Americas, counts is very much debatable. Unlike real-world Liberia, where different factions have fought one another in one of Africa's longest and cruelest civil wars, it is peaceful and prosperous, with leading figures declaring that race does not matter in their eyes. Even more remarkable when the citizens come not only from the United States, as in the real Liberia, but also from all over the Caribbean, yet still enjoy enlightened fraternal harmony. With no enforced servitude, contrary \\\
Liberia's status is explained in-story as the result of a more favorable location in Southwest Africa, greater immigration and investment into the new nation (especially once the *US starts expelling free blacks), and most importantly, the fact that the region being settled was only thinly inhabited prior
to black the creation of the first colonies. (OTL Liberia's location in West Africa is a disease-filled jungle that was already filled with natives, most of who viewed the African Americans as just another colonizing force.) And even then, Liberia's history in real-world Africa. Certainly a case of AuthorAppeal.
*** Not quite. It experienced
isn't entirely rosy -- the government commits genocide against the native Herero and Namaqua tribes to make room for "civilized" Liberians, and it experiences [[spoiler:a coup d'etat in the last phase of the Great war]]. *Liberia's status as a model nation is the result of a more favorable location and greater immigration and investment into the new nation.
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War]]. While there is a coup d'état toward it doesn't suffer the end of the story, there is nowhere near the brutality brutality, strife, and corruption of the real Liberia, or the strife and corruption in most African nations. Likewise, tribal divisions are mostly non-existent in Liberia, making it highly distinct from real-world Africa.
***** It fits for the story Liberia to be highly distinct from real-world Liberia. Real-world Liberia was founded by a little over ten thousand voluntary emigrants to an unwelcoming environment, while the story Liberia was formed by over a hundred thousand people expelled from the United States
this isn't because of their race, the seeds for such weren't present -- they just never blossomed because it took much less effort to ethnically cleanse the land and moved to create a different climate. The story Liberia is essentially part of the United States transplanted into Africa."model" nation.
9th Jun '15 4:37:06 AM KevinBWilson
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* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Though some of its more devoted aficionados may want to disagree, [=DoD=] is definitely quite a bit more soft than hard AH, for a very large number of reasons(slavery surviving in the mid 20th Century is a huge example!); may be somewhat more plausible Stirling's Draka, but is beaten out by most other works on AH.com, as well as even Turtledove's "Southern Victory" series, itself criticized for a seeming lack of plausibility.
1st Jan '15 1:16:16 PM AltSteve90
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* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Though some of its more devoted aficionados may want to disagree, [=DoD=] is definitely quite a bit more soft than hard AH; more plausible than Turtledove's "Timeline 191" or Stirling's Draka

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* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Though some of its more devoted aficionados may want to disagree, [=DoD=] is definitely quite a bit more soft than hard AH; AH, for a very large number of reasons(slavery surviving in the mid 20th Century is a huge example!); may be somewhat more plausible than Stirling's Draka, but is beaten out by most other works on AH.com, as well as even Turtledove's "Timeline 191" or Stirling's Draka"Southern Victory" series, itself criticized for a seeming lack of plausibility.
23rd Oct '14 12:42:28 PM LongLiveHumour
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** Then there's the opera singer [[{{Tintin}} Bianca Reinblume]].
** There's a huge one to ''StarWars''. The three subchapters are named "The Start of Wars: A New Hope?", "The Reich Strikes Back" and "The Return of the JD-Is"[[note]]referring to the Jäger-Doter Model I panzers[[/note]] respectively. And then we meet two pilot volunteers for the republican side, named Hans (who flies ''solo'' in his Jahrhundert Falke / Century Falcon) and Luke, who earns the Badass epithet Cloudstalker. There's even an alleged quote of "I have a very bad feeling about this...".

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** Then there's the opera singer [[{{Tintin}} [[Franchise/{{Tintin}} Bianca Reinblume]].
** There's a huge one to ''StarWars''.''Franchise/StarWars''. The three subchapters are named "The Start of Wars: A New Hope?", "The Reich Strikes Back" and "The Return of the JD-Is"[[note]]referring to the Jäger-Doter Model I panzers[[/note]] respectively. And then we meet two pilot volunteers for the republican side, named Hans (who flies ''solo'' in his Jahrhundert Falke / Century Falcon) and Luke, who earns the Badass epithet Cloudstalker. There's even an alleged quote of "I have a very bad feeling about this...".
1st Oct '14 10:18:09 PM mlsmithca
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* Creator/BenjaminDisraeli is British PM in a pretty bad moment - his country loses a war against the *US.



* DavidLloydGeorge manages to become PM of ''two'' countries - first of Britain, for Labour, later of [[spoiler:independent Cymru (Wales)]].
10th Sep '14 11:18:19 AM ZimFan89
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* HundredPercentApprovalRating: Some Canadian republicans in Wisconsin (part of Canada in this story) are so popular, they could have demanded the annexation of Wisconsin by the German ''Reich'', and people would have brought flags with the three-headed eagle. At least that's what they say about themselves.

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* HundredPercentApprovalRating: HundredPercentAdorationRating: Some Canadian republicans in Wisconsin (part of Canada in this story) are so popular, they could have demanded the annexation of Wisconsin by the German ''Reich'', and people would have brought flags with the three-headed eagle. At least that's what they say about themselves.
12th Jul '14 11:21:05 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* FamousNamedForeigner: Karl Marx's co-author Adenauer(!), banker Escher, professor Disraeli, French president Marceau, German colonist Schweitzer, British writer Clement Churchill, Italian general Verdi, a St Petersburg publishing company owned by "Ulyanov and Trotsky" (Ulyanov was Vladimir Lenin's original surname), German (left) politician Blucher, SF author Grillparzer, let alone the composer Schicklgruber, which is, as some may know, the birth name of AdolfHitler's father.

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* FamousNamedForeigner: Karl Marx's co-author Adenauer(!), banker Escher, professor Disraeli, French president Marceau, German colonist Schweitzer, British writer Clement Churchill, Italian general Verdi, a St Petersburg publishing company owned by "Ulyanov and Trotsky" (Ulyanov was Vladimir Lenin's original surname), German (left) politician Blucher, SF author Grillparzer, let alone the composer Schicklgruber, which is, as some may know, the birth name of AdolfHitler's UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler's father.
10th Jun '14 6:00:28 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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'''Decades Of Darkness''' is an AlternateHistory timeline originating on AlternateHistoryDotCom. The creator, Jared, got the idea from a contest to create a historically plausible version of SMStirling's ''Literature/TheDraka'' series: a mega evil slaver doom empire, built on opposition to the very values that the Western world holds dear, takes over the world. "[=DoD=]", as it's commonly abbreviated, deviated considerably from this origin, which is just as well for that part of the world's population not living under said Empire.

In a dark twist on the values which America holds so dear, this empire is in fact the United States. The tale begins as a strategically timed heart attack kills off UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson at the worst moment of the historical New England separatist movement in 1809. The bumbling UsefulNotes/JamesMadison, his successor, gets into a war with Great Britain and the New England rebels in 1811 and loses handily. Since New England was the center of abolitionist ideology in our world, its secession from the Union swings the political balance in favor of slavery advocates. From here on, the timeline somehow manages to become broader in scope until it is global, while at the same time getting more and more detailed.

It ends in 1935 as the world seems to be settling into a [[strike:three]] four-way [[SecretWar Cold War]] (called the Silent War) between [[AllNationsAreSuperpowers the four world-dominating power blocs]], the USA (known, owing to its evil, as "Alt USA" or *USA), the German Empire (a mostly monarchist federation under the Hapsburgs), the Russian Federation (an enormously complicated Czarist-federal-democratic... ''thing'' stretching from Constantinople to Beijing) and the Restored Empire (an Indian Rim-centered Australian-led alliance) and its main ally, Nippon. Needless to say, much has changed in the intervening time.

''DecadesOfDarkness'' is one of the most influential AH.com timelines, and its style of presentation has inspired many others. It is often cited alongside earlier works from soc.history.what-if such as ''For All Time'' as among the classics of AlternateHistory WebOriginal work. It was concluded on 20.1.2009. A series of vignettes and a novel exploring the future of this world remain in the works.

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'''Decades Of Darkness''' is an AlternateHistory timeline originating on AlternateHistoryDotCom. The creator, Jared, got the idea from a contest to create a historically plausible version of SMStirling's ''Literature/TheDraka'' series: a [[TheEmpire mega evil slaver doom empire, empire]], built on opposition to the very values that the Western world holds dear, takes over the world. "[=DoD=]", as it's commonly abbreviated, deviated considerably from this origin, which is just as well for that part of the world's population not living under said Empire.

In a dark twist on the values which America holds so dear, was built upon, this empire is in fact the United States. The tale begins as a strategically timed heart attack kills off UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson at the worst moment of the historical [[HollywoodNewEngland New England England]] separatist movement in 1809. The bumbling UsefulNotes/JamesMadison, his successor, gets into a war with Great Britain and the New England rebels in 1811 and loses handily. Since Half the Midwest is lost, and furthermore, in the course of the war Madison alienated UsefulNotes/{{New York|State}} and UsefulNotes/NewJersey and caused them to secede and join New England was as well. Since the center former Northeastern states that make up the new Republic of New England were the heartland of the abolitionist ideology movement in our world, its world's US, their secession from the Union swings the political balance in favor of slavery advocates.the Southern states, whose economies were built upon slave labor and which were fiercely defensive of their "peculiar institution". From here on, the timeline somehow manages to become broader in scope until it is global, while at the same time getting more and more detailed.

It ends in 1935 as the world seems to be settling into a [[strike:three]] four-way [[SecretWar Cold War]] (called the Silent War) between [[AllNationsAreSuperpowers the four world-dominating power blocs]], the USA (known, owing to its evil, as "Alt USA" or *USA), the German Empire (a mostly monarchist federation under the Hapsburgs), the Russian Federation (an enormously complicated Czarist-federal-democratic... ''thing'' stretching from Constantinople to Beijing) Beijing), and the Restored Empire (an Indian Rim-centered Rim-centered, Australian-led alliance) and its main ally, Nippon. Needless to say, much has changed in the intervening time.

''DecadesOfDarkness'' ''Decades of Darkness'' is one of the most influential AH.com timelines, and its style of presentation has inspired many others. It is often cited alongside earlier works from soc.history.what-if such as ''For All Time'' as among the classics of AlternateHistory WebOriginal work. It was concluded on 20.1.January 20, 2009. A series of vignettes and a novel exploring the future of this world remain in the works.
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