History Literature / BraveNewWorld

16th Jan '16 1:56:38 PM Aquila89
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* GrandInquisitorScene: John and Mustapha Mond debating the World State. John argues for a world in which meaningful art, passion, family, and God have a place again, but Mond shoots down everything John brings up. He agrees with him that the old world had more meaning to it, but that it had to be sacrificed for stability.
4th Dec '15 5:14:29 PM ReaderAt2046
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It's also a true example of CrapsaccharineWorld and CrapsackOnlyByComparison. The Brave New World is a fully-functioning society where everyone is happy, youthful, healthy and productive, but it is presented as a dystopia because this comes at the cost of creativity, free will and progression. The Reservation is a free community of emotion, but it is also a dirty, disease-ridden tribal wasteland where the weak are ostracized and pain equals redemption. Aldous Huxley would later go on to express regret at not including a third option that would have been a happy medium of the two. (He does, in his later book ''Island'', but not for the Savage.)
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It's also a true example of CrapsaccharineWorld and CrapsackOnlyByComparison.CrapsackOnlyByComparison, and one of the few true examples of a fully developed, internally consistent, BlueAndOrangeMorality. The Brave New World is a fully-functioning society where everyone is happy, youthful, healthy and productive, but it is presented as a dystopia because this comes at the cost of creativity, free will and progression. The Reservation is a free community of emotion, but it is also a dirty, disease-ridden tribal wasteland where the weak are ostracized and pain equals redemption. Aldous Huxley would later go on to express regret at not including a third option that would have been a happy medium of the two. (He does, in his later book ''Island'', but not for the Savage.)

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It's also a true example of CrapsaccharineWorld and CrapsackOnlyByComparison. * PetTheDog: The Brave New World is a fully-functioning society where everyone is State does its best to ensure that even the troublemakers are happy, youthful, healthy and productive, but it is presented as a dystopia because this comes at "exiling" them to the cost of creativity, free will and progression. The Reservation is a free community of emotion, but it is also a dirty, disease-ridden tribal wasteland islands where they can be real people in the weak are ostracized and pain equals redemption. Aldous Huxley would later go on to express regret at not including a third option that would have been a happy medium company of the two. (He does, in his later book ''Island'', but not for the Savage.) other real people.
8th Nov '15 10:15:16 AM Give1Take2
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Redundant; the experiment being doomed to failure from the start is already addressed in the original post.
** His example fails to be argument against free will, because it was engineered to fail. People involved in experiment were all Alphas. They not only had high intelligence that made them efficient at intellectual work. They were conditioned '''all''' their prior life, to be happy with, and '''only''' with specific, intellectual jobs. This ensured civil war, because they not only had more potential than to do menial tasks like farming, they were literally brainwashed into being incapable to accept them. Yet no character points out this [[FalseDichotomy false dillema]].

* FreeLoveFuture: Everyone is encouraged from earliest childhood to have sex with as many people as possible, and never to form strong attachments to any of them. Chastity is the deadest of virtues. But it's not really "free love", because being promiscuous is mandatory. Sexual norms are just as strict as they were in Victorian times, they just go in the opposite direction. John confuses Lenina by ''not'' jumping her bones at the first opportunity; because of this, she ends up ''longing'' for him, and comes the closest she will ever come to actually feeling love in her whole pathetic, sex-saturated life.\\ \\ One big fly in the ointment, of course, is that much of the sex in the book is, by present-day standards, rape; [[DeliberateValuesDissonance society has been conditioned to view anyone who refuses sex when propositioned as anti-social]].
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* FreeLoveFuture: Everyone is encouraged from earliest childhood to have sex with as many people as possible, and never to form strong attachments to any of them. Chastity is the deadest of virtues. But it's not really "free love", because being promiscuous is mandatory. Sexual norms are just as strict as they were in Victorian times, they just go in the opposite direction. John confuses Lenina by ''not'' jumping her bones at the first opportunity; because of this, she ends up ''longing'' for him, and comes the closest she will ever come to actually feeling love in her whole pathetic, sex-saturated life.\\ \\ life. ** One big fly in the ointment, of course, is that much of the sex in the book is, by present-day standards, rape; [[DeliberateValuesDissonance society has been conditioned to view anyone who refuses sex when propositioned as anti-social]].

* ReallyGetsAround: Almost everyone (since this is the norm), although [[MsFanservice Lenina]] deserves a special mention. ** Lenina is actually an interesting example, as even though she's quite promiscuous by real-life standards, in-universe she's seen as being as conservative as society will allow. Early in the novel a friend of hers chastises her for going back to the same man too frequently, and John's unavailability causes her to obsess over him.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Almost everyone (since this is the norm), although [[MsFanservice Lenina]] deserves a special mention. ** Lenina is actually an interesting example, as even case. Even though she's quite promiscuous by real-life standards, in-universe she's seen as being as conservative as society will allow. Early in the novel a friend of hers chastises her for going back to the same man too frequently, and John's unavailability causes her to obsess over him.
5th Nov '15 11:18:47 PM Specialist290
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* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: Most people have no idea just how vapid and insignificant their lives are. The ones who ''do'' know this are so difficult to integrate that they're just shipped off to isolated islands just so they don't have to think about it so much.
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* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: Most people have no idea just how vapid and insignificant their lives are. The ones who ''do'' know this are so difficult to integrate that they're just shipped off to isolated islands just so they don't have to think about it so much.much or risk spoiling everyone else's mindless fun.
27th Aug '15 7:18:57 PM ReaderAt2046
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* LuxuryPrisonSuite: Mustapha Mond points out that exile to an island actually means getting sent to the only places in this world where you can find real people instead of the puppet-folk of regular society.
25th Aug '15 1:16:19 PM Nire
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** Lenina is actually an interesting example, as even though she's quite promiscuous by real-life standards, in-universe she's seen as being as conservative as society will allow. Early in the novel a friend of hers chastises her for going back to the same man too frequently, and John's unavailability causes her to obsess over him.
3rd Aug '15 12:46:27 PM Specialist290
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* SpiritualAntithesis: Huxley would later go on to write ''Island'', a book in which many of the same techniques imposed as control measures in ''Brave New World'''s World State can be genuinely beneficial to a society that allows them as options but doesn't force them upon its members arbitrarily.
2nd Aug '15 11:42:36 AM Specialist290
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* FreeLoveFuture: Everyone is encouraged from earliest childhood to have sex with as many people as possible, and never to form strong attachments to any of them. Chastity is the deadest of virtues. But it's not really "free love", because being promiscuous is mandatory. Sexual norms are just as strict as they were in Victorian times, they just go in the opposite direction. John confuses Lenina by ''not'' jumping her bones at the first opportunity; because of this, she ends up ''longing'' for him, and comes the closest she will ever come to actually feeling love in her whole pathetic, sex-saturated life.
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* FreeLoveFuture: Everyone is encouraged from earliest childhood to have sex with as many people as possible, and never to form strong attachments to any of them. Chastity is the deadest of virtues. But it's not really "free love", because being promiscuous is mandatory. Sexual norms are just as strict as they were in Victorian times, they just go in the opposite direction. John confuses Lenina by ''not'' jumping her bones at the first opportunity; because of this, she ends up ''longing'' for him, and comes the closest she will ever come to actually feeling love in her whole pathetic, sex-saturated life.\\ \\ One big fly in the ointment, of course, is that much of the sex in the book is, by present-day standards, rape; [[DeliberateValuesDissonance society has been conditioned to view anyone who refuses sex when propositioned as anti-social]].
28th Jun '15 8:35:06 PM CaptEquinox
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* TheFilmOfTheBook: In 1980 (with Kristoffer Tabori and Julie Cobb), in 1998 (with Tim Guinee, Rya Kihlstedt, and Creator/LeonardNimoy as Mustapha), and there's another one in the works.
31st May '15 5:47:03 PM Specialist290
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* MemeticMutation: ''Invoked'' as a form of mind control. With that in mind, the combined lesson here is [[WarpedAesop emotion is the cause of all our problems.]] But nobody can create a society where emotions are absent... [[Literature/TheGiver right?]] [[Film/{{Equilibrium}} RIGHT?]]
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* MemeticMutation: ''Invoked'' as a form of mind control. With that in mind, the combined lesson here is [[WarpedAesop emotion is the cause of all our problems.]] But nobody can create a society where emotions Pithy little catchphrases (that often rhyme for added catchiness) are absent... [[Literature/TheGiver right?]] [[Film/{{Equilibrium}} RIGHT?]]spread and invoked as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism#Thought-terminating_clich.C3.A9 thought-terminating clichés]] to stop any potential dissent in its tracks.
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