History Literature / BookOfTheNewSun

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** Also ''GURPS New Sun,'' the RPG, which includes a lot of background hints.

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** Also ''GURPS New Sun,'' the RPG, RPG by the author of ''Lexicon Urthus'', which includes a lot of background hints.
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* ForegoneConclusion / FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Either Urth freezes beneath the dying Sun, or billions die with the coming of the New Sun, as prophesied by the Conciliator. [[spoiler:The fact that Severian himself is the Conciliator proves that the failed to find a Third Option, before the story even began.]]

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* ForegoneConclusion / FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Either Urth freezes beneath the dying Sun, or billions die with the coming of the New Sun, as prophesied by the Conciliator. [[spoiler:The fact that Severian himself is the Conciliator proves that the he failed to find a Third Option, before the story even began.]]



%%* OurAngelsAreDifferent: If they're not aliens.

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%%* * OurAngelsAreDifferent: If That's if they're not aliens.SufficientlyAdvancedAliens.
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** Consider the unnatural height and alien-influenced appearance of exultants, whose numbers include Thecla, Vodalus, and Thea. The exact ''degree'' of their distinctive height and features is vague, leaving it uncertain whether they'd strike us as beautiful, or as borderline [[HumanoidAbomination Humanoid Abominations]].

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** Consider the unnatural height and alien-influenced appearance of exultants, Exultants, whose numbers include Thecla, Vodalus, and Thea. The exact ''degree'' of their distinctive height and features is vague, leaving it uncertain whether they'd strike us as beautiful, or as borderline [[HumanoidAbomination Humanoid Abominations]].



* LowCultureHighTech: The Commonwealth has access to advanced technology (either through space trade or what's scavenged), but it's limited to the upper classes. The commonality and middle class are largely a medieval level technology and culture. It's unclear if this is due to knowledge being forgotten, or Urth simply no longer having the resources to support a High Tech culture.

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* LowCultureHighTech: The Commonwealth has access to advanced technology (either through space trade or what's scavenged), but it's limited to the upper classes. The commonality Commonality and middle class are largely a medieval level technology and culture. It's unclear if this is due to knowledge being forgotten, or Urth simply no longer having the resources to support a High Tech culture.



* PerfectlyCromulentWord: frequently

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* PerfectlyCromulentWord: frequentlyFrequently.



--> (translation: string with nettles, the fallopian or eustachian tube, a memorandum listing documents)
* PlantHair: Severan goes sees a festival sideshow that supposedly has a future-telling plant man. Much to Severan's surprise, there is a indeed a Green Man. After a moment of silence Severan tries to get the conversation started, by mentioning he always imagined that a plant-man would have grass-like hair. The Green Man finally talks, correcting Severan that he is not a plant.
* PublicExecution: Severian is a public executioner and describes some of his jobs when he decides it's relevant to providing a setting for the story.

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--> (translation: (Translation: string with nettles, the fallopian or eustachian tube, a memorandum listing documents)
* PlantHair: Severan goes sees to see a festival sideshow that supposedly has a future-telling plant man. Much to Severan's surprise, there is a indeed a Green Man. After a moment of silence Severan tries to get the conversation started, by mentioning he always imagined that a plant-man would have grass-like hair. The Green Man finally talks, correcting Severan Severian that he is not a plant.
* PublicExecution: Severian is a public executioner and describes some of his jobs when he decides it's relevant to providing provide a setting for the story.



* RecursivePrecursors: the Hierogrammates were created by humanity in an earlier cycle of the Universe. They now forge the humanity of Severian's Universe.

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* RecursivePrecursors: the The Hierogrammates were created by humanity in an earlier cycle of the Universe. They now forge the humanity of Severian's Universe.



* RobotBuddy: Severan unknowingly encounters one on his journey. [[spoiler:It's Jonas, who is a robot that was fixed with organic material.]]

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* RobotBuddy: Severan Severian unknowingly encounters one on his journey. [[spoiler:It's Jonas, who is a robot that was fixed with organic material.]]



* ShowWithinAShow: Dr. Talos' play "Eschatology and Genesis," which is an allegory for the overarching plot of the series.

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* ShowWithinAShow: Dr. Talos' play "Eschatology and Genesis," Genesis", which is an allegory for the overarching plot of the series.



* SpeaksInShoutOuts: Soldiers from the Ascian empire. Any citizen of Ascian can only speak by quoting from the "Authorized Texts". Its another example of the dystopia Ascia is.

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* SpeaksInShoutOuts: Soldiers from the Ascian empire. Any citizen of Ascian can only speak by quoting from the "Authorized Texts". Its It's another example of the dystopia Ascia is.



* SpiritualSuccessor: To Creator/JackVance's ''Literature/DyingEarth'' stories - both are set in a far future where science has decayed, and features a dying sun.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: To Creator/JackVance's ''Literature/DyingEarth'' stories - both are set in a far future where science has decayed, and features feature a dying sun.



* SolarCPR: What turns out to be the plot of the series. [[spoiler: Severan is successful, but at the cost of causing a cataclysmic flood.]]
%%* SufficientlyAdvancedAliens: The Hierodules.
* TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified: Subverted with Vodalus. He and his followers claim to be working to return the decaying Urth to its former past glory. [[spoiler: It turns out Vodalus is in league with Abaia, who wants to prevent the New Sun from arriving.]]
* TheStarsAreGoingOut: Inverted. The sun is very dimmed and fading quickly -- meaning that the others stars are now visible during the day.

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* SolarCPR: What turns out to be the plot of the series. [[spoiler: Severan [[spoiler:Severian is successful, but at the cost of causing a cataclysmic flood.]]
%%* * SufficientlyAdvancedAliens: The Hierodules.
Hierodules are basically this.
* TheRevolutionWillNotBeVilified: Subverted with Vodalus. He and his followers claim to be working to return the decaying Urth to its former past glory. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It turns out Vodalus is in league with Abaia, who wants to prevent the New Sun from arriving.]]
* TheStarsAreGoingOut: Inverted. The sun is very dimmed and fading quickly -- meaning that the others other stars are now visible during the day.



** Wolfe's ShoutOut to the author Borges (the library/Ultan the Librarian) is likely a pointer to Borge's 'Funes the Memorious' as a indicator of why Severian is unreliable; Funes is a young man who's head is so full of facts that he 'can't think any more', and is incapable of making the generalisations that Severian needs to join the dots.
** [[http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0307/3619.txt.shtml One reader]] went carefully through the novels and noticed that ''every single time'' Severian mentions his "eidetic" memory he goes on to recall something that's already happened in the novel... and gets some detail wrong. Either he's lying constantly or his memory is nothing like as good as he thinks it is. (Formatting on the link is pretty ugly; scroll down a page or so to get the content.)
** Genre wise, the book ''is'' a political autobiography. [[spoiler:Severian for example elaborately washes his hands of the murder of his delicious predecessor and appeals to his soldiers by claiming to be a war veteran.]]

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** Wolfe's ShoutOut to the author Borges (the library/Ultan the Librarian) is likely a pointer to Borge's Borges' 'Funes the Memorious' as a indicator of why Severian is unreliable; Funes is a young man who's head is so full of facts that he 'can't think any more', and is incapable of making the generalisations that Severian needs to join the dots.
** [[http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0307/3619.txt.shtml One reader]] went carefully through the novels and noticed that ''every single time'' Severian mentions his "eidetic" memory he goes on to recall something that's already happened in the novel... and gets some detail wrong. Either he's lying constantly or his memory is nothing like as good as he thinks it is. (Formatting on the link is pretty ugly; scroll down a page or so to get the content.)
** Genre wise, Genre-wise, the book ''is'' a political autobiography. [[spoiler:Severian for example elaborately washes his hands of the murder of his delicious predecessor and appeals to his soldiers by claiming to be a war veteran.]]



* VoiceChangeling: The alzabo can perfectly imitate the voice of anyone that it has eaten. It naturally uses this to lure its victims family members out of hiding.

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* VoiceChangeling: The alzabo can perfectly imitate the voice of anyone that it has eaten. It naturally uses this to lure its victims victims' family members out of hiding.



* YoungerThanTheyLook: throughout his journey, people consistently treat Severian as a mature adult, and granted his post-industrial world requires children to grow up quickly. Nevertheless it should be remembered that the journey takes place immediately after his elevation to Journeyman - he's around eighteen. It's easy for the reader to ascribe to Severian an intellectual maturity which he does not possess, which brings us back to UnreliableNarrator.

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* YoungerThanTheyLook: throughout Throughout his journey, people consistently treat Severian as a mature adult, and adult; granted his post-industrial world requires children to grow up quickly. Nevertheless it should be remembered that the journey takes place immediately after his elevation to Journeyman - he's around eighteen. It's easy for the reader to ascribe to Severian an intellectual maturity which he does not possess, which brings us back to UnreliableNarrator.
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* AuthorVocabularyCalendar: There are plenty of obscure or archaic words that is used in the books. However, it's used to describe alien creatures and futuristic technology that have simply have no modern day analogs for.

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* AuthorVocabularyCalendar: There are plenty of obscure or archaic words that is are used in the books. However, it's used to describe alien creatures and futuristic technology that have simply have no modern day analogs for.



* BrainBleach: [[spoiler:In Baldanders castle/laboratory, Severian runs through a room whose central feature is a wide-awake vivisected pregnant woman under glass. Spoilered not because you don't know Baldanders is evil, but because it's so disturbing.]]
** [[spoiler:Also,Severian bumps into a gigantic infant (that is, the size of a full-grown man) chained to Baldanders's bed. Even Severian is sharp enough to think "catamite."]]

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* BrainBleach: [[spoiler:In Baldanders Baldanders' castle/laboratory, Severian runs through a room whose central feature is a wide-awake vivisected pregnant woman under glass. glass.]] Spoilered not because you don't know Baldanders [[spoiler:Baldanders]] is evil, but because it's so disturbing.]]
disturbing.
** [[spoiler:Also,Severian [[spoiler:Also, Severian bumps into a gigantic infant (that is, the size of a full-grown man) chained to Baldanders's Baldanders' bed. Even Severian is sharp enough to think "catamite."]]



** Also qualifies as a {{BFS}} -it's taller than Severian, who is said to be quite tall himself.
** To Wolfe's annoyance, some reviewers insist that it's a [[WrongGenreSavvy ''magic'' sword]]. It is [[WordOfGod nothing of the sort]]. Wolfe gave [[Literature/SoldierOfTheMist Latro ]] a magic sword ("It cuts things") as a TakeThat to the reviewers.

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** Also qualifies as a {{BFS}} -it's - it's taller than Severian, who is said to be quite tall himself.
** To Wolfe's annoyance, some reviewers insist that it's a [[WrongGenreSavvy ''magic'' sword]]. It is [[WordOfGod nothing of the sort]]. Wolfe gave [[Literature/SoldierOfTheMist Latro ]] Latro]] a magic sword ("It cuts things") as a TakeThat to the reviewers.



* DeadpanSnarker: Jonas, who often uses deadpan jokes. It is this habit that Severan notes that Jonas must have been a Sailor.

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* DeadpanSnarker: Jonas, who often uses deadpan jokes. It is with this habit that Severan notes that Jonas must have been a Sailor.



* DeconstructorFleet: The series deconstructs many things, but particularly of Joseph Campbell's TheHerosJourney. [[spoiler: On the surface, Severian is a torturer and executioner who spares a woman, gets banished for it, and eventually rises to become the ruler of the nation, and the savior of the world, while becoming a better person. However, Severian's entire journey is pre-arranged and destined by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens so that he will bring about a future where humanity evolves into the SufficientlyAdvancedAliens. Severian's is, for the most part, incapable of seeing the strings.]]
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: In general, the culture of the Commonwealth has several different social values. Not surprising considering the setting. Severean himself doesn't have any problem with torture, considering more humane than forced labor or an indiscriminate death penalty. [[spoiler: He changes his mind on the matter later on.]]
* DeusExMachina: in book four when Severian is rescued by aliens in a spaceship (who ''had'' been introduced earlier). His rescuers explicitly state that they are pulling a Deus Ex Machina. However, it is likely that this is a subversion rather than simply lampshading an unsatisfying plot development: [[spoiler: the thoughtful reader is supposed to connect this with the puppet imagery earlier in the narrative, and wonder ''what else'' the 'powers from above the stage' have been doing during the story.]] The fact that Severian relates this Deus Ex Machina conversation but ''still'' doesn't understand how he's being manipulated, is perhaps one of the clearest examples of his status as UnreliableNarrator.

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* DeconstructorFleet: The series deconstructs many things, but particularly of Joseph Campbell's TheHerosJourney. [[spoiler: On the surface, Severian is a torturer and executioner who spares a woman, gets banished for it, and eventually rises to become the ruler of the nation, and the savior of the world, while becoming a better person. However, Severian's entire journey is pre-arranged and destined by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens so that he will bring about a future where humanity evolves into the SufficientlyAdvancedAliens. Severian's Severian is, for the most part, incapable of seeing the strings.]]
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: In general, the culture of the Commonwealth has several different social values. Not surprising considering the setting. Severean Severian himself doesn't have any problem with torture, considering it more humane than forced labor or an indiscriminate death penalty. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He changes his mind on the matter later on.]]
* DeusExMachina: in In book four when Severian is rescued by aliens in a spaceship (who ''had'' been introduced earlier). His rescuers explicitly state that they are pulling a Deus Ex Machina. However, it is likely that this is a subversion rather than simply lampshading an unsatisfying plot development: [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the thoughtful reader is supposed to connect this with the puppet imagery earlier in the narrative, and wonder ''what else'' the 'powers from above the stage' have been doing during the story.]] The fact that Severian relates this Deus Ex Machina conversation but ''still'' doesn't understand how he's being manipulated, is perhaps one of the clearest examples of his status as UnreliableNarrator.



* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: when Severian discovers [[spoiler:a bush covered in Claws]] on a beach in book IV, does he join the dots and recall that aliens just ''told him to his face'' that they were "powers from above stage" orchestrating the story of his life, taking him to the beach so he would have a necessary little adventure? No. He has a religious epiphany instead.

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* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: when When Severian discovers [[spoiler:a bush covered in Claws]] on a beach in book IV, does he join the dots and recall that aliens just ''told him to his face'' that they were "powers from above stage" orchestrating the story of his life, taking him to the beach so he would have a necessary little adventure? No. He has a religious epiphany instead.



* {{Expy}}: Severian has aspects of the Emperor Claudius as seen in ''Literature/IClaudius''. He refers to people calling him "Severian the Mad" as well as "Severian the Lame" and like Claudius has a less than happy marriage to a woman named Valeria.

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* {{Expy}}: Severian has aspects of the Emperor Claudius as seen in ''Literature/IClaudius''. He refers to people calling him "Severian the Mad" as well as "Severian the Lame" Lame", and like Claudius has a less than happy marriage to a woman named Valeria.



** Also, sort of a combination of Expy and ShoutOut is the Librarian Ultan who Severian meets, who is clearly based on the author Borges.
** Which in turn suggests Borge's story ''Funes the Memorious'', about a young man with a voluminous memory, who is so weighed down with details that he is incapable making the generalisations needed to truly understand those facts - which shows us ''how'' Severian is an UnreliableNarrator.

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** Also, sort of a combination of Expy and ShoutOut is the Librarian Ultan who Severian meets, who is clearly based on the author Jorge Luis Borges.
** Which in turn suggests Borge's Borges' story ''Funes the Memorious'', about a young man with a voluminous memory, who is so weighed down with details that he is incapable making the generalisations needed to truly understand those facts - which shows us ''how'' Severian is an UnreliableNarrator.



* FiveManBand - subverted to hell and back with Dr Talos' players, who Severian crosses paths with and then ''leaves'', several times. Severian even meets Dr Talos and Baldanders [[YouAllMeetInAnInn in an inn]].

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* FiveManBand - subverted Subverted to hell and back with Dr Talos' players, who Severian crosses paths with and then ''leaves'', several times. Severian even meets Dr Talos and Baldanders [[YouAllMeetInAnInn in an inn]].



* ForegoneConclusion / FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Either Urth freezes beneath the dying Sun, or billions die with the coming of the New Sun, as prophesied by the Conciliator. [[spoiler: The fact that Severian himself is the Conciliator proves that the failed to find a Third Option, before the story even began.]]
* FutureImperfect: Several examples. While at the library, Severian sees a picture of the first men on the moon and not only describes it in an InnocentInaccurate way, but also wonders why there's no vegetation on it. Another scene makes reference to the planet Mars being renamed "Present" at some point and one character can't believe a language existed where the words for "gift" and "now" were the same. There's also a scene where Severian hears a story which has a definite similarity to that of Theseus, but has no idea of the connection. [[spoiler: Long lived robot Jonas does understand the connection though.]]
** "The Tale of The Student and His Son" is a mashup between Theseus and the Battle of Hampton Roads: the joke is that after so many centuries, people got the Minotaur confused with the ''Monitor.'' (There's a similar story that is a mashup of ''Literature/TheJungleBook'' and Romulus the founder of Rome - both children raised by wolves.)\\

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* ForegoneConclusion / FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Either Urth freezes beneath the dying Sun, or billions die with the coming of the New Sun, as prophesied by the Conciliator. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The fact that Severian himself is the Conciliator proves that the failed to find a Third Option, before the story even began.]]
* FutureImperfect: Several examples. While at the library, Severian sees a picture of the first men on the moon and not only describes it in an InnocentInaccurate way, but also wonders why there's no vegetation on it. Another scene makes reference to the planet Mars being renamed "Present" at some point point, and one character can't believe a language existed where the words for "gift" and "now" were the same. There's also a scene where Severian hears a story which has a definite similarity to that of Theseus, but has no idea of the connection. [[spoiler: Long [[spoiler:Long lived robot Jonas does understand the connection though.]]
** "The Tale of The Student and His Son" is a mashup between Theseus and the naval Battle of Hampton Roads: the joke is that after so many centuries, people got the Minotaur confused with the ''Monitor.'' (There's a similar story that is a mashup of ''Literature/TheJungleBook'' and Romulus the founder of Rome - both children raised by wolves.)\\



%%* GeniusBruiser: [[spoiler:Baldanders]].

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%%* * GeniusBruiser: [[spoiler:Baldanders]].[[spoiler:Baldanders is a MadScientist]].



* GodGuise: Tzadkiel appears to Severian in the form of an angel. [[spoiler: He falls for it.]]

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* GodGuise: Tzadkiel appears to Severian in the form of an angel. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He falls for it.]]



* [[HeroStoleMyBike Hero Stole My Destrier]]: Despite him having a ride, when Severan sees a Destrier (a horse-analog that is ''far'' faster than our current day equines) unlike any before, and proceeds to steal it to get to his destination faster. [[spoiler: Funny enough, it turns out the destrier was owned by Vodalus, who latter ponders to Severan who could have stolen it.]]

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* [[HeroStoleMyBike Hero Stole My Destrier]]: Despite him having a ride, when Severan sees a Destrier (a horse-analog that is ''far'' faster than our current day equines) unlike any before, and proceeds to steal it to get to his destination faster. [[spoiler: Funny [[spoiler:Funny enough, it turns out the destrier Destrier was owned by Vodalus, who latter ponders to Severan who could have stolen it.]]



* HighDiveEscape: Baldanders.
* ImprobableWeaponUser: Severian and Agilus, during their duel, use plants whose poisonous leaves are picked and thrown like darts.

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* HighDiveEscape: Baldanders.
Baldanders makes one.
* ImprobableWeaponUser: Severian and Agilus, during their duel, use plants whose which poisonous leaves are picked and thrown like darts.



* LanguageOfTruth: the very [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour "newspeak"]] like language of the Ascians is intended to be this.

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* LanguageOfTruth: the The very [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour "newspeak"]] like "newspeak"]]-like language of the Ascians is intended to be this.



* LowCultureHighTech: The Commonwealth has access to advanced technology (either through space trade or what's scavenged), but it's limited to the upper classes. The commonality and middle class is largely a medieval level technology and culture. It's unclear if this is due to knowledge being forgotten, or Urth simply no longer has the resources to support a High Tech culture.
%%* MadScientist: [[spoiler:Baldanders]].

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* LowCultureHighTech: The Commonwealth has access to advanced technology (either through space trade or what's scavenged), but it's limited to the upper classes. The commonality and middle class is are largely a medieval level technology and culture. It's unclear if this is due to knowledge being forgotten, or Urth simply no longer has having the resources to support a High Tech culture.
%%* * MadScientist: [[spoiler:Baldanders]].[[spoiler: GeniusBruiser Baldanders]].



* TheManInFrontOfTheMan: [[spoiler: ThoseTwoBadGuys, Dr. Talos and Bandanders. Talos, who clearly seems to be the leader, is a clever, glib conman with fox-like features. Baldanders clearly comes off as the subordinate and appears to be a GentleGiant and rarely speaks. In actuality, Baldanders is some sort of HumanoidAbomination MadScientist who turns out to be a threatening villain, and Talos is an ArtificialHuman, who is his creation.]]

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* TheManInFrontOfTheMan: [[spoiler: ThoseTwoBadGuys, Dr. Talos and Bandanders.Baldanders. Talos, who clearly seems to be the leader, is a clever, glib conman with fox-like features. Baldanders clearly comes off as the subordinate subordinate, and appears to be a GentleGiant and rarely speaks. In actuality, Baldanders is some sort of HumanoidAbomination MadScientist who turns out to be a threatening villain, and Talos is an ArtificialHuman, who is his creation.]]



* MedievalStasis: The Commonwealth of Urth of Severan's time. It's unclear how long Urth has been this way.

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* MedievalStasis: The Commonwealth of Urth of Severan's Severian's time. It's unclear how long Urth has been this way.



* SealedEvilInACan: Typhon, whom Severian accidentally releases...[[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfFunny and then kills within the next few pages]]]].

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* SealedEvilInACan: Typhon, whom Severian accidentally releases...[[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfFunny and then kills within the next few pages]]]].
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* DeconstructorFleet: The series deconstructs many things, but particularly of Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey. [[spoiler: On the surface, Severian is a torturer and executioner who spares a woman, gets banished for it, and eventually rises to become the ruler of the nation, and the savior of the world, while becoming a better person. However, Severian's entire journey is pre-arranged and destined by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens so that he will bring about a future where humanity evolves into the SufficientlyAdvancedAliens. Severian's is, for the most part, incapable of seeing the strings.]]

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* DeconstructorFleet: The series deconstructs many things, but particularly of Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey.TheHerosJourney. [[spoiler: On the surface, Severian is a torturer and executioner who spares a woman, gets banished for it, and eventually rises to become the ruler of the nation, and the savior of the world, while becoming a better person. However, Severian's entire journey is pre-arranged and destined by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens so that he will bring about a future where humanity evolves into the SufficientlyAdvancedAliens. Severian's is, for the most part, incapable of seeing the strings.]]
18th Mar '17 11:08:18 AM SorPepita
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* ColdBloodedTorture: Severan attempts to avoid details of his profession in his story. What little do we get is only to note strange events or if its relevant to the plot.

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* ColdBloodedTorture: Severan attempts to avoid details of his profession in his story. What little do we get is only to note strange events or if its it's relevant to the plot.
30th Jun '16 7:26:57 AM Jhimmibhob
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* InformedAttractiveness: As with other aspects of the books' world, standards of beauty appear to undergo a ton of translation loss between actuality and the narration. There's a strong chance that many of the books' most "beautiful" characters would appear downright unsettling to our eyes.
** Consider the unnatural height and alien-influenced appearance of exultants, whose numbers include Thecla, Vodalus, and Thea. The exact ''degree'' of their distinctive height and features is vague, leaving it uncertain whether they'd strike us as beautiful, or as borderline {{HumanoidAbomination}}s.

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* InformedAttractiveness: As with other aspects of the books' world, standards of beauty appear to undergo a ton of translation loss between actuality and the narration. There's a There are strong chance hints that many of the books' most "beautiful" characters would appear downright unsettling to our eyes.
** Consider the unnatural height and alien-influenced appearance of exultants, whose numbers include Thecla, Vodalus, and Thea. The exact ''degree'' of their distinctive height and features is vague, leaving it uncertain whether they'd strike us as beautiful, or as borderline {{HumanoidAbomination}}s.[[HumanoidAbomination Humanoid Abominations]].
23rd Jun '16 8:13:21 PM nombretomado
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** Compare and contrast the Man-Apes in the mines with the Morlocks from TheTimeMachine (which also features the dying sun).

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** Compare and contrast the Man-Apes in the mines with the Morlocks from TheTimeMachine ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'' (which also features the dying sun).
18th May '16 11:52:34 AM Generality
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Added DiffLines:

* TheManInFrontOfTheMan: [[spoiler: ThoseTwoBadGuys, Dr. Talos and Bandanders. Talos, who clearly seems to be the leader, is a clever, glib conman with fox-like features. Baldanders clearly comes off as the subordinate and appears to be a GentleGiant and rarely speaks. In actuality, Baldanders is some sort of HumanoidAbomination MadScientist who turns out to be a threatening villain, and Talos is an ArtificialHuman, who is his creation.]]
28th Apr '16 1:17:43 PM Mietzsche
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** Genre wise, the book ''is'' a political autobiography. [[spoiler:Severian for example washes his hands of the murder of his predecessor and appeals to his soldiers by claiming to be a war veteran. And oh, man, all the surreal pussy he had scored.]]

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** Genre wise, the book ''is'' a political autobiography. [[spoiler:Severian for example elaborately washes his hands of the murder of his delicious predecessor and appeals to his soldiers by claiming to be a war veteran. And oh, man, all the surreal pussy he had scored.veteran.]]
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