History Literature / AtlasShrugged

25th Mar '17 5:27:24 AM MicoolTNT
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** Note, however, the rails that were built for the John Galt Line, allowing a 100MPH average speed, were not steel, but were made of Rearden Metal, which is an alloy of steel and copper. Copper is softer than iron, which should allow rails that include it to flex more than pure steel.
*** Nope. Alloys don't work that way. Mixing copper with tin yields bronze, which is harder then either.

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** %%** Note, however, the rails that were built for the John Galt Line, allowing a 100MPH average speed, were not steel, but were made of Rearden Metal, which is an alloy of steel and copper. Copper is softer than iron, which should allow rails that include it to flex more than pure steel.
*** %%*** Nope. Alloys don't work that way. Mixing copper with tin yields bronze, which is harder then either.
17th Mar '17 12:37:57 AM Algr
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*** Nope. Alloys don't work that way. Mixing copper with tin yields bronze, which is harder then either.
9th Feb '17 12:05:57 PM rjd1922
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* NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup: Subverted for Galt's Engine. He left all three behind at the Starnes Motor Company(he invented it on the clock, after all, and Galt is nothing if not an Honest Man), and all it did was prove that it ''once'' existed. Looters (both high and common) tear up the prototype for spare parts, and leave the plans and theoretical research notebooks to rot. Even when Dagny realizes what she has, almost all of the "engineers" she calls upon to study the remains refuse to believe it could work(some even say that the Engine, if it worked, would be ''[[ScaleOfScientificSins immoral]]'', because it would [[TallPoppySyndrome make other scientists look stupid]]). Plans, prototypes and backups are only useful to people with enough intelligence to know their value - which for groundbreaking work, can set the bar ''pretty damned high.''

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* NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup: Subverted for Galt's Engine. He left all three behind at the Starnes Motor Company(he Company (he invented it on the clock, after all, and Galt is nothing if not an Honest Man), and all it did was prove that it ''once'' existed. Looters (both high and common) tear up the prototype for spare parts, and leave the plans and theoretical research notebooks to rot. Even when Dagny realizes what she has, almost all of the "engineers" she calls upon to study the remains refuse to believe it could work(some work (some even say that the Engine, if it worked, would be ''[[ScaleOfScientificSins immoral]]'', because it would [[TallPoppySyndrome make other scientists look stupid]]). Plans, prototypes and backups are only useful to people with enough intelligence to know their value - which for groundbreaking work, can set the bar ''pretty damned high.''
8th Feb '17 8:06:51 PM MAI742
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** Although Rand intended her protagonists to be morally unassailable, even many people who agree with the book's message don't perceive them as pure heroes.

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** Although Rand intended her protagonists to be morally unassailable, even many people who agree with the book's message Objectivist philosophy don't perceive them as pure heroes.heroes.



* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand believed in what detractors would call "trickle-down economics", so one of the book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if it were structured to benefit the poor rather than the rich:

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand believed in what detractors would call "trickle-down economics", "free market fundamentalism", so one of the book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if it were ever structured to benefit the poor rather than instead of the rich:
8th Feb '17 7:39:12 PM MAI742
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: John Galt is telling the absolute truth when he says he's merely granted society's wish to rid the world of greedy businessmen.

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: John Galt is telling Ayn Rand believed in what detractors would call "trickle-down economics", so one of the absolute truth when he says he's merely granted society's wish book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if it were structured to rid benefit the world of greedy businessmen.poor rather than the rich:



* CapitalismIsBad: The Class-2 ApocalypseHow caused by the intellectual elite's refusal to reform society, and decisions to speed up its disintegration and death instead, have caused altruistic readers to take this message from the book even though Rand believed that unregulated oligarchic/monopolistic free-market capitalism was an absolutely meritocratic political and economic system. This message was likely unintentional, as Objectivism maintains that refusing to act altruistically is perfectly 'moral' as long as you do not feel bad about refusing (like John Galt), and altruistic behaviour is only 'moral' when it makes you feel good (rather than it being an inherently or absolutely good).

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* CapitalismIsBad: The Class-2 ApocalypseHow caused by the intellectual elite's refusal to reform society, and decisions to speed up its disintegration and death instead, have caused altruistic readers to take this message from the book even though Rand believed that unregulated oligarchic/monopolistic free-market capitalism was an absolutely meritocratic political and economic system. This message was likely unintentional, as Objectivism maintains that refusing to act altruistically is perfectly 'moral' as long as you do not feel bad about refusing (like John Galt), and altruistic behaviour is only 'moral' when it makes you feel good (rather than it being an inherently or absolutely ojbectively good).
8th Jan '17 7:44:39 PM MAI742
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* AlmightyJanitor: All of the strikers, including highly capable people, agree to take nothing but the equivalent of minimum-wage jobs in order to avoid contributing their minds to the looters' system. Notably, scientific genius John Galt works at Taggart Transcontinental as an unskilled railroad hand for ten years.
* AppliedPhlebotinuum: The Static Motor which provides infinite energy from the atmosphere, the invisibility/cloaking device which hides Galt's Gulch, and the super-strong Rearden Metal for High Speed Railways.

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* AlmightyJanitor: All of the strikers, including highly capable people, agree to take nothing but the equivalent of minimum-wage jobs in order to avoid contributing their minds to sustaining the looters' socialist system. Notably, scientific genius John Galt works at Taggart Transcontinental as an unskilled railroad hand for ten years.
* AppliedPhlebotinuum: AppliedPhlebotinum: The Static Motor which provides infinite energy from the atmosphere, the invisibility/cloaking device which hides Galt's Gulch, and the super-strong Rearden Metal for High Speed Railways.
8th Jan '17 7:41:13 PM MAI742
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* InvisibilityCloak: John Galt invents one and uses it to hide Galt's Gulch.
8th Jan '17 7:34:22 PM MAI742
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* PerpetualMotionMachine: John Galt's Static Motor, which draws upon the static electricity in the atmosphere.

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* PerpetualMotionMachine: John Galt's Static Motor, which draws upon collects the static electricity in the atmosphere.
8th Jan '17 7:33:53 PM MAI742
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* PerpetualMotionMachine: John Galt's Static Motor, which draws upon the static electricity in the atmosphere.
8th Jan '17 7:30:08 PM MAI742
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* AppliedPhlebtonium: The Static Motor which provides infinite energy from the atmosphere, the invisibility/cloaking device which hides Galt's Gulch, and the super-strong Rearden Metal for High Speed Railways.

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* AppliedPhlebtonium: AppliedPhlebotinuum: The Static Motor which provides infinite energy from the atmosphere, the invisibility/cloaking device which hides Galt's Gulch, and the super-strong Rearden Metal for High Speed Railways.



* AnAesop: Several:

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* AnAesop: Several:In Rand's eyes the book has several:



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Deliberately invoked, in-universe, as the book sought to argue against traditional definitions of morality. Specifically, it promotes selfishness as a virtue. It also argues for atheism and justifies sex as a moral triumph. MoralGuardians from all over the political spectrum flew into utter outrage these messages. Creator/GoreVidal (leftist) said Rand's philosophy was "perfect in its immorality," and the National Review's Whittaker Chambers (former Communist who became a Christian conservative) said that from every page in this book he could hear a voice calling "to a [[GodwinsLaw gas chamber]], go!" Thus, regardless of whether or not one agrees or disagrees with the aesops presented in Atlas Shrugged, they clearly fall under the category of "family unfriendly." Ayn Rand was no ally of traditional moral beliefs, after all. Furthermore the book clearly promotes the position that if you are a 'productive' member of society and your spouse and children are not, then regardless of how much they love and support you in non-financial ways you should be disgusted by their fiscal parasitism. Finally the book asserts that if you are digusted by their looting of value from you and do dismiss their love for you, then allowing them to sufffer (and likely die) is a morally good decision because your actions (hurtful/murderous) would match your inner feelings (hatred/indifference).

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Deliberately invoked, in-universe, as the book sought to argue against traditional definitions of morality. Specifically, it promotes selfishness as a virtue. It also argues for atheism and justifies sex as a moral triumph. MoralGuardians from all over the political spectrum flew into utter outrage these messages. Creator/GoreVidal (leftist) (Socialist) said Rand's philosophy was "perfect in its immorality," and the National Review's Whittaker Chambers (former Communist (ex-Communist who became a Christian conservative) said that from every page in this book he could hear a voice calling "to a [[GodwinsLaw gas chamber]], go!" Thus, regardless of whether or not one agrees or disagrees with the aesops presented in Atlas Shrugged, they clearly fall under the category of "family unfriendly." Ayn Rand was no ally of traditional moral beliefs, after all. Furthermore the book clearly promotes the position that if you are a 'productive' member of society and your spouse and children are not, then regardless of how much they love and support you in non-financial ways you should be disgusted by their fiscal parasitism. Finally the book asserts that if you are digusted by their looting of value from you and do dismiss their love for you, then allowing them to sufffer (and likely die) is a morally good decision because your actions (hurtful/murderous) would match your inner feelings (hatred/indifference).
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