History Literature / AtlasShrugged

12th Jun '17 7:04:20 AM MAI742
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand genuinely believed that economics worked as the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies 'Austrian' school of philosophical 'economics']] assumed that it did through the use of axiomatic logic ('Praxeology') without reference to the study of the real world. In the book this is how economics works, so one of the its Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if those who collected economic rents from the population and corporate welfare from the government ever decided that they didn't want that money:

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand genuinely believed that economics worked as the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies [[UsefulNotes/EconomicTheories 'Austrian' school of philosophical 'economics']] assumed that it did through the use of axiomatic logic ('Praxeology') without reference to the study of the real world. In the book this is how economics works, so one of the its Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if those who collected economic rents from the population and corporate welfare from the government ever decided that they didn't want that money:
12th Jun '17 7:03:33 AM MAI742
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand believed in "free market fundamentalism", so one of the book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if those denounced as exploiters actually listened and left society:

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand genuinely believed in "free market fundamentalism", that economics worked as the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies 'Austrian' school of philosophical 'economics']] assumed that it did through the use of axiomatic logic ('Praxeology') without reference to the study of the real world. In the book this is how economics works, so one of the book's its Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if those denounced as exploiters actually listened who collected economic rents from the population and left society:corporate welfare from the government ever decided that they didn't want that money:
12th Jun '17 3:43:09 AM RelTrop
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand believed in "free market fundamentalism", so one of the book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if it were ever structured to benefit the poor instead of the rich:

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Ayn Rand believed in "free market fundamentalism", so one of the book's Aesops is that industrial society would collapse if it were ever structured to benefit the poor instead of the rich:those denounced as exploiters actually listened and left society:
12th Jun '17 3:35:56 AM RelTrop
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** Dagny Taggart and Francisco D'Anconia are somewhere between Type III and Type IV, Hank Rearden is more of a Type II. John Galt is arguably a Type III, albeit only to his enemies. By the time you get to pirate Ragnar Danneskjold, who steals ships of goods from governments so he can sell them (and give the money to people he judges as worthy/owed restitution), you're into Designated Hero territory.
* ApocalypseHow: Class 2, planetary scale societal collapse. However, the resulting society is arguably much better off because only the lazy and ignorant underclass which was dependent upon their betters dies: the ideologically correct elite survive with a much higher standard of living than before due to John Galt's invention of an infinite energy motor powered by...

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** Dagny Taggart and Francisco D'Anconia are somewhere between Type III and Type IV, Hank Rearden is more of a Type II. John Galt is arguably a Type III, albeit only to his enemies. By the time you get to pirate Ragnar Danneskjold, who steals ships of goods from governments so he can sell them (and them, and give the money to people he judges as worthy/owed restitution), restitution, you're into Designated Hero territory.
* ApocalypseHow: Class 2, planetary scale societal collapse. However, the The resulting society is arguably much not better off because only off, but it is implied that a new civilization will rise that eliminates, forever, the lazy and ignorant underclass which was dependent upon their betters dies: problems that caused the ideologically correct elite survive with a much higher standard of living than before due old to John Galt's invention of an infinite energy motor powered by...fall.
12th Jun '17 3:33:42 AM RelTrop
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** If doing what makes you happy hurts others but you don't care about it, then that's okay. Their suffering is only a problem if it makes you unhappy.

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** If doing what makes you You can only be happy hurts others but you don't care about it, then that's okay. Their suffering is only by being moral; being just and honest are requirements for a problem if it makes you unhappy. happy life.



** A society which places love of others (altruism) above self-love will collapse because people love themselves more than they love others.
** It would be possible to create a society without altruism, and it would function more effectively as a result.

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** A society which places love of others demands self-sacrifice (altruism) above self-love will collapse because eventually there aren't enough people love themselves more than they love others.left to sacrifice themselves.
** It would be possible to create a society happy and free society, but only without altruism, and it would function more effectively as a result.without altruism.
12th Jun '17 3:31:06 AM RelTrop
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It's TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture. The USA is a mixed-market dystopia wherein the federal government is [[FascistButInefficient as oppressive as it is incompetent]], and the country's ignorant and lazy masses survive only by leeching off the hard work of a handful of brilliant and productive people. The average Joe is clamped hard on the [[MarySuetopia government teat]], and [[VillainWithGoodPublicity happy about it]]. The middle and upper classes are LesCollaborateurs [[CorruptCorporateExecutive gaming]] the system for every drop before it crashes, or [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans self-deluded]] fools certain they can fix the socio-economic problems [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer created by failed government initiatives]] with ''more'' [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer government initiatives]]. There is no [[LaResistance public dissent with the status quo]].

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It's TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture. The USA is a mixed-market dystopia wherein the federal government is [[FascistButInefficient as oppressive as it is incompetent]], and the country's ignorant and lazy masses survive only by leeching off the hard work of a handful of brilliant and productive people. incompetent]]. The average Joe is clamped hard on the [[MarySuetopia government teat]], being pushed further into poverty by each measure intended to relieve it, and [[VillainWithGoodPublicity happy about it]]. can see no way way out. The middle and upper classes are LesCollaborateurs [[CorruptCorporateExecutive gaming]] the system for every drop before it crashes, or [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans self-deluded]] fools certain they can fix the socio-economic problems [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer created by failed government initiatives]] with ''more'' [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer government initiatives]]. There is no little [[LaResistance public dissent with the status quo]].
30th Apr '17 3:48:29 PM DustSnitch
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->''"For twelve years, you have been asking: [[ArcWords Who is John Galt?]] [[DoNotAdjustYourSet This is John Galt speaking.]] I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing, you who dread knowledge: I am the man who will now tell you."''

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->''"For twelve years, you have been asking: [[ArcWords Who is John Galt?]] [[DoNotAdjustYourSet Galt? This is John Galt speaking.]] speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing, you who dread knowledge: I am the man who will now tell you."''
28th Apr '17 1:58:01 PM Kalaong
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* IronicEcho: Stadler considers [[MyGreatestFailure his greatest failure]] to be a student with "the kind of intelligence one expects to see, in the future, changing the course of the world" which "vanished without a trace into the great unknown of mediocrity." Rearden pessimistically says that if the creator of the super-motor was still alive, "The whole world would know his name by now." Ivy Starnes remembers the second man to quit when she took over Twentieth Century Motors, but not the first - "He wasn't anybody important." Akston slyly notes that though he knows the student Stadler speaks of, but that "[[ExactWords His name would mean nothing to you.]] [[FromACertainPointOfView He is not famous.]]" The man's name? '[[ArcWords "Who is John Galt?"]]'

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* IronicEcho: Stadler considers [[MyGreatestFailure his greatest failure]] to be a student with "the kind of intelligence one expects to see, in the future, changing the course of the world" which "vanished without a trace into the great unknown of mediocrity." Rearden pessimistically says that if the creator of the super-motor was still alive, "The whole world would know his name by now." Ivy Starnes remembers the second man to quit when she took over Twentieth Century Motors, but not the first - "He wasn't anybody important." Akston slyly notes that though he knows the student Stadler speaks of, but that "[[ExactWords His name would mean nothing to you.]] [[FromACertainPointOfView He is not famous.]]" The man's name? '[[ArcWords ''[[ArcWords "Who is John Galt?"]]'Galt?"]]''
28th Apr '17 1:56:17 PM Kalaong
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** Galt himself is one, overlooked by the government in their search for anyone with that name who might be in charge of the strike.

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** Galt himself is one, overlooked by the government in their search for anyone with that name who might be in charge of the strike.strike... because he's working for Taggart Transcontinental as a ''[[AlmightyJanitor track laborer]].'' '''[[HiddenInPlainSight Under his own name]].'''
25th Mar '17 5:27:24 AM MicoolTNT
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** Note, however, the rails that were built for the John Galt Line, allowing a 100MPH average speed, were not steel, but were made of Rearden Metal, which is an alloy of steel and copper. Copper is softer than iron, which should allow rails that include it to flex more than pure steel.
*** Nope. Alloys don't work that way. Mixing copper with tin yields bronze, which is harder then either.

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** %%** Note, however, the rails that were built for the John Galt Line, allowing a 100MPH average speed, were not steel, but were made of Rearden Metal, which is an alloy of steel and copper. Copper is softer than iron, which should allow rails that include it to flex more than pure steel.
*** %%*** Nope. Alloys don't work that way. Mixing copper with tin yields bronze, which is harder then either.
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