History Literature / Atlan

3rd Apr '16 10:41:55 AM MarkLungo
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Flawed and obscure though it is, ''Atlan'' is notable for its originality. It's also probably the only series that can be accurately described as a Gothic JungleOpera, influenced as it is by Mervyn Peake's ''Literature/{{Gormenghast}}'', the works of Rider Haggard, the ''Tarzan'' series, old Gothic novels, and obsolete anthropological studies. If nothing else, this series probably represents the dying days of the pre-''Literature/LordOfTheRings''-influenced fantasy genre, which would never revisit the "elder Earth" theme in quite the same way. Tanith Lee has cited this series as an influence on her work (see ''The Storm Lord''), and Gene Wolfe's ''BookOfTheNewSun'' takes some rather obvious cues from Jane Gaskell's magnum opus.

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Flawed and obscure though it is, ''Atlan'' is notable for its originality. It's also probably the only series that can be accurately described as a Gothic JungleOpera, influenced as it is by Mervyn Peake's ''Literature/{{Gormenghast}}'', the works of Rider Haggard, the ''Tarzan'' series, old Gothic novels, and obsolete anthropological studies. If nothing else, this series probably represents the dying days of the pre-''Literature/LordOfTheRings''-influenced fantasy genre, which would never revisit the "elder Earth" theme in quite the same way. Tanith Lee has cited this series as an influence on her work (see ''The Storm Lord''), and Gene Wolfe's ''BookOfTheNewSun'' ''Literature/BookOfTheNewSun'' takes some rather obvious cues from Jane Gaskell's magnum opus.



* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], Creator/ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, HPLovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).

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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' ''Literature/BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} [[Litertature/{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], Creator/ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, HPLovecraft Creator/HPLovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).
19th Apr '15 8:28:12 PM nombretomado
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* UsefulNotes/AztecMythology: A major influence on the series, as was Theosophy.

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* UsefulNotes/AztecMythology: Myth/AztecMythology: A major influence on the series, as was Theosophy.
16th Dec '14 8:35:19 AM Slothbeetle
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* MisplacedWildlife: Gaskell's introduction to ''The Serpent'' states explicitly that the flightless birds ridden by the Northern Army are ''Diatryma''...which lived in North America, not South America. See also StockDinosaurs below.



* StockDinosaurs: The dinosaurs (excepting the giant reptiles that are ''not'' dinosaurs despite being labeled as such) identified in the series are the ''T. rex'' and some kind of sauropod. However, the trope is averted with the Northern Army's mounts, which are specified as ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastornis Diatryma]]'' but could also be ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacidae Phorusrhacidae]]''.

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* StockDinosaurs: The dinosaurs (excepting the giant reptiles that are ''not'' dinosaurs despite being labeled as such) identified in the series are the ''T. rex'' and some kind of sauropod. However, the trope is averted with the Northern Army's mounts, which are specified as ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastornis Diatryma]]'' but could also should probably be ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacidae Phorusrhacidae]]''.
16th Dec '14 8:03:37 AM Slothbeetle
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* StockDinosaurs: The dinosaurs (excepting the giant reptiles that are ''not'' dinosaurs despite being labeled as such) identified in the series are the ''T. rex'' and some kind of sauropod. However, the trope is averted with the Northern Army's mounts, which are ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacidae Phorusrhacidae]]''.

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* StockDinosaurs: The dinosaurs (excepting the giant reptiles that are ''not'' dinosaurs despite being labeled as such) identified in the series are the ''T. rex'' and some kind of sauropod. However, the trope is averted with the Northern Army's mounts, which are specified as ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastornis Diatryma]]'' but could also be ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacidae Phorusrhacidae]]''.
15th Dec '14 6:33:34 PM Slothbeetle
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* StockDinosaurs: The dinosaurs (excepting the giant reptiles that are ''not'' dinosaurs despite being labeled as such) identified in the series are the ''T. rex'' and some kind of sauropod. However, the trope is averted with the Northern Army's mounts, which are ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacidae Phorusrhacidae]]''.
28th Nov '14 8:08:51 AM Slothbeetle
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* ActionSurvivor: Cija and Seka spend most of the series clinging desperately to their lives. Seka is all the more remarkable for being a small child.



* GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion: Cija wants to keep her [[spoiler:half-human]] fetus at first, but her mother urges her to abort it.

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* GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion: Cija wants to keep her [[spoiler:half-human]] fetus at first, but her mother urges her to abort it. [[spoiler:And then Smahil ''forces'' her to get an abortion.]]



* HalfHumanHybrid: General Zerd. His daughter Seka is three-fourths human.

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* HalfHumanHybrid: General Zerd. His daughter Seka is three-fourths human. [[spoiler:Cija's daughter Despair is half-ape.]]



* NoWomansLand: One of the villages Seka visits in ''Some Summer Lands'' has shades of cultural misogyny. Girls and women are not counted in population records, and mothers refer to all their children, regardless of their sex, with masculine pronouns--feminine pronouns themselves are considered insults. Of course, the world abounds with violent men no matter where Cija goes.

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* NoWomansLand: One of the villages countries Cija and Seka visits visit in ''Some Summer Lands'' has shades of cultural misogyny. Girls and women are not counted in population records, and mothers refer to all their children, regardless of their sex, with masculine pronouns--feminine pronouns themselves are considered insults. Of course, the world abounds with violent men no matter where Cija goes.
9th Sep '14 12:17:44 PM Slothbeetle
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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], Creator/ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).

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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], Creator/ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft HPLovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).
26th Jul '14 3:47:38 PM TVRulezAgain
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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).

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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, Creator/ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence).
16th Jul '14 5:34:49 AM Slothbeetle
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* CombatTentacles: A tentacle monster attacks Cija during a river ride. [[NothingIsScarier All we see of the monster is the tentacles]], but Cija imagines its "friends and relations" lurking below.

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* CombatTentacles: A tentacle monster tentacled creature attacks Cija during a river ride. [[NothingIsScarier All we see of the monster is the tentacles]], but Cija imagines its "friends and relations" lurking below.



* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence_).

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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, and, to a lesser extent, H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence_).influence).
16th Jul '14 5:32:53 AM Slothbeetle
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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, EdgarRiceBurroughs, and, to a lesser extent, HPLovecraft.

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* NewWeird: A very early example, looking forward to the aforementioned ''BookOfTheNewSun'' and backward to [[{{Gormenghast}} Mervyn Peake]], ClarkAshtonSmith, EdgarRiceBurroughs, and, to a lesser extent, HPLovecraft.H. P. Lovecraft (with possibly some non-weird Burroughsian influence_).
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