History LightIsNotGood / Religion

18th Jul '15 12:22:34 PM Specialist290
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** Some Christian fundamentalists refer to Sorath (the geomantic spirit of the Sun) as the Anti-Christ and true BiggerBad behind Satan... because his sacred number is 666. They pretty much don't know that there are no references of Sorath in Judeo-Christian mythology.

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** Some Christian fundamentalists refer to Sorath (the geomantic spirit of the Sun) as the Anti-Christ and true BiggerBad behind Satan... because his sacred number is 666. They pretty much don't know that there are no references of Sorath in Judeo-Christian mythology.mythology, and the number 666 in the Book of Revelation represents a being that is ''subordinate'' to Satan.
4th May '15 11:48:52 AM Petroghede
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** Also, Hathor. Associated with the Moon and the Sky... And two variants of Sekhmet's above myth, it's ''Hathor'' who does the deed, with Sekhmet either being the form she assumed when she went off the deep end and the gods had to get her drunk to prevent her from [[OmnicidalManiac killing off the rest of mankind]] or [[EvenEvilHasStandards the one who realized in horror that Hathor wouldn't stop and produced a lake of beer to get her drunk]].

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** Also, Hathor. Associated with the Moon Sun and the Sky... And two variants of Sekhmet's above myth, it's ''Hathor'' who does the deed, with Sekhmet either being the form she assumed when she went off the deep end and the gods had to get her drunk to prevent her from [[OmnicidalManiac killing off the rest of mankind]] or [[EvenEvilHasStandards the one who realized in horror that Hathor wouldn't stop and produced a lake of beer to get her drunk]].
3rd May '15 6:16:39 PM nombretomado
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* Lakota mythology features light and darkness as more reason and chaos. But following this theme, Yata, the north wind, is represented by white. He also causes harsh winters. Also, the wakinyan, or lightning gods, are either this or GoodIsNotNice.
* While the [[CelticMythology Celtic]] conflict between Balor and Lugh has been interpreted traditionally as the generic DarkIsEvil versus LightIsGood, things seem to have really been inverted: Balor seemingly was associated with the harsh Summer Sun, represented by his "evil eye" (see above), while Lugh was a thunder god that brought on the clouds and rain.

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* [[Myth/NativeAmericanMythology Lakota mythology mythology]] features light and darkness as more reason and chaos. But following this theme, Yata, the north wind, is represented by white. He also causes harsh winters. Also, the wakinyan, or lightning gods, are either this or GoodIsNotNice.
* While the [[CelticMythology [[Myth/CelticMythology Celtic]] conflict between Balor and Lugh has been interpreted traditionally as the generic DarkIsEvil versus LightIsGood, things seem to have really been inverted: Balor seemingly was associated with the harsh Summer Sun, represented by his "evil eye" (see above), while Lugh was a thunder god that brought on the clouds and rain.
1st May '15 7:29:37 PM Fireblood
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon#Gnostic_archons Archons]] are the gnostic equivalent of angels, and one, Adonaios, is associated with the Sun. Since Gnosticism has GodIsEvil as a core philosophy, the archons are unsurpringly considered malevolent or at least hostile.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon#Gnostic_archons org/wiki/Archon (Gnosticism Archons]] are the gnostic [[{{UsefulNotes/Gnosticism}} gnostic]] equivalent of angels, and one, Adonaios, is associated with the Sun. Since Gnosticism has GodIsEvil as a core philosophy, the archons are unsurpringly considered malevolent or at least hostile.



** According to some theories, the word "[[OurTitansAreDifferent titan]]" comes from the word "τιτανος", which is another word for "white", more specifically white earth. The myth where this connotation is most obvious is in the Orphic myth of Zagreus, where Zeus' intended heir, as a child, is lured out by the Titans who, dressed in white and with white paint on their faces, proceed to ''dismember and cannibalise him''.

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** According to some theories, the word "[[OurTitansAreDifferent titan]]" comes from the word "τιτανος", which is another word for "white", more specifically white earth. The myth where this connotation is most obvious is in the Orphic myth of Zagreus, where Zeus' intended heir, as a child, is lured out by the Titans who, dressed in white and with white paint on their faces, proceed to ''dismember and cannibalise cannibalize him''.



** Apollo as well: Apollo, who is often referred to as the god of light, often pulls dirty tricks to get his way, and at least once arranged for some mortals to commit a heinous act, but then abandons them to their fate shortly after committing said heinous act (eg, Elektra and her brother avenging their father by killing their mother and her lover).

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** Apollo as well: Apollo, who is often referred to as the god of light, often pulls dirty tricks to get his way, and at least once arranged for some mortals to commit a heinous act, but then abandons them to their fate shortly after committing said heinous act (eg, (e. g., Elektra and her brother avenging their father by killing their mother and her lover).



*** Medea, Circe's niece and grand-daughter of Helios through her father, was the original {{Yandere}} and actually ''used'' the power of the "evil eye": when an indestructible bronze giant attacked the ''Argo'', Medea looked in his eyes and [[DrivenToSuicide caused him so much pain it killed itself]].
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neto_(deity) Neto]], a pre- Christian lusitanian (aka Portugal south of river Douro) god, was a god of the sun but also a war god, presumably as an acknowledgement of the sun's deadly side. The other [[LightEmUp light related]] god in the Myth/LusitanianMythology, Endovelicus, was supposedly good, though once Christianity settled in he became associated with Lucifer.

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*** Medea, Circe's niece and grand-daughter of Helios through her father, was the original {{Yandere}} and actually ''used'' the power of the "evil eye": when an indestructible bronze giant attacked the ''Argo'', Medea looked in his eyes and [[DrivenToSuicide caused him so much pain it agony he killed itself]].
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neto_(deity) Neto]], a pre- Christian lusitanian pre-Christian Lusitanian (aka Portugal south of river Douro) god, was a god of the sun but also a war god, presumably as an acknowledgement of the sun's deadly side. The other [[LightEmUp light related]] god in the Myth/LusitanianMythology, Endovelicus, was supposedly good, though once Christianity settled in he became associated with Lucifer.



* Would be [[Literature/TheBible Lucifer]][[note]]actually "Heylel" in Hebrew, but it means the same thing[[/note]]. Also in the Bible[[note]]"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." ~ 2 Corinthians 11:14[[/note]], {{Satan}} can still appear to men as an "angel of light"... making this OlderThanFeudalism. According to tradition, if Satan appeared before a person, they couldn't help but fall down and worship him because of his celestial beauty. Just as in the Bible, when an angel appears to someone as something obviously not just a man, the first thing he says is either "Be not afraid" or "[[UnwantedFalseFaith Don't worship me!]]"--as angels in other parts of the Bible tended to kill cities when they were sent. The Apocrypha combines Lucifer and Satan into the same entity, as if he did not [[IHaveManyNames have enough names,]] maybe just to drive the point home.

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* Would be [[Literature/TheBible Lucifer]][[note]]actually "Heylel" in Hebrew, but it means the same thing[[/note]].thing[[/note]], or "Light-bearer" in Latin, a name for Venus as the morning star. Also in the Bible[[note]]"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." ~ 2 Corinthians 11:14[[/note]], {{Satan}} can still appear to men as an "angel of light"... making this OlderThanFeudalism. According to tradition, if Satan appeared before a person, they couldn't help but fall down and worship him because of his celestial beauty. Just as in the Bible, when an angel appears to someone as something obviously not just a man, the first thing he says is either "Be not afraid" or "[[UnwantedFalseFaith Don't worship me!]]"--as angels in other parts of the Bible tended to kill cities when they were sent. The Apocrypha combines Lucifer and Satan into the same entity, as if he did not [[IHaveManyNames have enough names,]] maybe just to drive the point home.



** Some Christian fundamentalists refer to Sorath (the geomantic spirit of the Sun) as the anti-christ and true BiggerBad behind Satan... because his sacred number is 666. They pretty much don't know that there are no references of Sorath in judeo-christian mythology.
** Even in the context of Literature/TheBible, the levantine deity Moloch is correctly identified as a solar deity. According the bible, he demanded child sacrifices. However, little is known about the deity to know who he is exactly, and Archeologists are doubting what legends are saying about him.

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** Some Christian fundamentalists refer to Sorath (the geomantic spirit of the Sun) as the anti-christ Anti-Christ and true BiggerBad behind Satan... because his sacred number is 666. They pretty much don't know that there are no references of Sorath in judeo-christian Judeo-Christian mythology.
** Even in the context of Literature/TheBible, the levantine Levantine deity Moloch is correctly identified as a solar deity. According the bible, he demanded child sacrifices. However, little is known about the deity to know who he is exactly, and Archeologists are doubting what legends are saying about him.



* The Abrahamic God is viewed by some religions as their GodOfEvil, like in Gnosticism and Hebrew Mythology.



* The Abrahamic God is viewed by some religions as their GodOfEvil, like in Gnosticism and Hebrew Mythology.
* While the [[CelticMythology celtic]] conflict between Balor and Lugh has been interpreted traditionally as the generic DarkIsEvil versus LightIsGood, things seemingly actually inverted: Balor seemingly was associated with the harsh Summer Sun, represented by his "evil eye" (see above), while Lugh was a thunder god that brought on the clouds and rain.

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* The Abrahamic God is viewed by some religions as their GodOfEvil, like in Gnosticism and Hebrew Mythology.
* While the [[CelticMythology celtic]] Celtic]] conflict between Balor and Lugh has been interpreted traditionally as the generic DarkIsEvil versus LightIsGood, things seemingly actually seem to have really been inverted: Balor seemingly was associated with the harsh Summer Sun, represented by his "evil eye" (see above), while Lugh was a thunder god that brought on the clouds and rain.
28th Feb '15 2:15:48 PM rjd1922
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* Would be [[Literature/TheBible Lucifer]][[note]]actually "Heylel" in Hebrew, but it means the same thing[[/note]]. Also in the bible[[note]]"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." ~ 2 Corinthians 11:14[[/note]], {{Satan}} can still appear to men as an "angel of light"... making this OlderThanFeudalism. According to tradition, if Satan appeared before a person, they couldn't help but fall down and worship him because of his celestial beauty. Just as in the Bible, when an angel appears to someone as something obviously not just a man, the first thing he says is either "Be not afraid" or "[[UnwantedFalseFaith Don't worship me!]]"--as angels in other parts of the Bible tended to kill cities when they were sent. The Apocrypha combines Lucifer and Satan into the same entity, as if he did not [[IHaveManyNames have enough names,]] maybe just to drive the point home.
** Also, it is worth noting that Lucifer is a fallen angel. Specifically, the angel of light, thereby making this trope OlderThanFeudalism. This extends to some beliefs that demons look exactly like the winged angels that they used to be; having only changed inside when they fell, not outwardly. And don't really look like the hideous horned red-skinned beings as depicted. If an army of demons and angels fought each, there would be no telling the two sides apart.

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* Would be [[Literature/TheBible Lucifer]][[note]]actually "Heylel" in Hebrew, but it means the same thing[[/note]]. Also in the bible[[note]]"And Bible[[note]]"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." ~ 2 Corinthians 11:14[[/note]], {{Satan}} can still appear to men as an "angel of light"... making this OlderThanFeudalism. According to tradition, if Satan appeared before a person, they couldn't help but fall down and worship him because of his celestial beauty. Just as in the Bible, when an angel appears to someone as something obviously not just a man, the first thing he says is either "Be not afraid" or "[[UnwantedFalseFaith Don't worship me!]]"--as angels in other parts of the Bible tended to kill cities when they were sent. The Apocrypha combines Lucifer and Satan into the same entity, as if he did not [[IHaveManyNames have enough names,]] maybe just to drive the point home.
** Also, it is worth noting that Lucifer is a fallen angel.FallenAngel. Specifically, the angel of light, thereby making this trope OlderThanFeudalism. This extends to some beliefs that demons look exactly like the winged angels that they used to be; having only changed inside when they fell, not outwardly. And don't really look like the hideous horned red-skinned beings as depicted. If an army of demons and angels fought each, there would be no telling the two sides apart.
28th Feb '15 2:13:32 PM rjd1922
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* The [[ChineseMythology Yang principle]]. Literally meaning "sunlight", it represents fire, heat, agressiveness and war.
* In grimoires and western esoteric tradition, the Sun is associated with pride and arrogance. [[WesternZodiac Leo]] at it's worst is a hubris-dominated little shit, or an outright tyrant. In Indian astrology, the Sun (represented by the god [[HinduMythology Surya]]) is a "malefic" planet.
* In indo-european mythologies, the dawn goddess is generally a figure of ambivalence, as dawn ''shortens our days, placing us closer to death with each sunrise''. In HinduMythology, the dawn goddess Ushas is outright stated to make us old, while in GreekMythology Eos asked Zeus to make her lover immortal, but forgot the old age part, and as such he withered to a cricket.
* In brasillian folklore, the Boitatá is a serpent of light that incinerates or blinds those that it comes across. Legend says that, [[TheNightThatNeverEnds when the earth was plunged into darkness]], it feasted upon the eyes of those who couldn't see in the dark, and that is why it became a luminous creature. On the plus side, though, it did end said night...
* [[EgyptianMythology Sekhmet]]. Aside from [[GodOfEvil Apophis]], she is the most hostile of the Egyptian deities. Her most famous myth is basically her slaughtering half of mankind in name of Ra, who had to resort to drug her to stop the rampage. She's associated with the midday Sun and the desert, symbolizing the destructive and sterile power of light. [[EvilUncle Set]] to some extent as well, as he too is associated with the desert and the harsh Sun.

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* The [[ChineseMythology [[Myth/ChineseMythology Yang principle]]. Literally meaning "sunlight", it represents fire, heat, agressiveness and war.
* In grimoires and western esoteric tradition, the Sun is associated with pride and arrogance. [[WesternZodiac Leo]] at it's worst is a hubris-dominated little shit, or an outright tyrant. In Indian astrology, the Sun (represented by the god [[HinduMythology [[Myth/HinduMythology Surya]]) is a "malefic" planet.
* In indo-european Indo-European mythologies, the dawn goddess is generally a figure of ambivalence, as dawn ''shortens our days, placing us closer to death with each sunrise''. In HinduMythology, Myth/HinduMythology, the dawn goddess Ushas is outright stated to make us old, while in GreekMythology Myth/ClassicalMythology Eos asked Zeus to make her lover immortal, but forgot the old age part, and as such he withered to a cricket.
* In brasillian Brasillian folklore, the Boitatá is a serpent of light that incinerates or blinds those that it comes across. Legend says that, [[TheNightThatNeverEnds when the earth was plunged into darkness]], it feasted upon the eyes of those who couldn't see in the dark, and that is why it became a luminous creature. On the plus side, though, it did end said night...
* [[EgyptianMythology [[Myth/EgyptianMythology Sekhmet]]. Aside from [[GodOfEvil Apophis]], she is the most hostile of the Egyptian deities. Her most famous myth is basically her slaughtering half of mankind in name of Ra, who had to resort to drug her to stop the rampage. She's associated with the midday Sun and the desert, symbolizing the destructive and sterile power of light. [[EvilUncle Set]] to some extent as well, as he too is associated with the desert and the harsh Sun.



* As in the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' example above, Hyperion, the titan of light, can be interpreted as this, since the titans were enemies of the gods and he participated in the Titanomachy. However, some see the titans as better than the olympians, seeing as they brought a golden age to man, though most likely both groups were neutral and Hyperion was prone to this.

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* As in the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' example above, Hyperion, the titan of light, can be interpreted as this, since the titans were enemies of the gods and he participated in the Titanomachy. However, some see the titans Titans as better than the olympians, Olympians, seeing as they brought a golden age to man, though most likely both groups were neutral and Hyperion was prone to this.
16th Jan '15 12:29:41 PM MyFinalEdits
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** Also, it is worth noting that Lucifer is a fallen angel. Specifically, the angel of light, thereby making this trope OlderThanFeudalism.
*** This extends to some beliefs that demons look exactly like the winged angels that they used to be; having only changed inside when they fell, not outwardly. And don't really look like the hideous horned red-skinned beings as depicted. If an army of demons and angels fought each, there would be no telling the two sides apart.

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** Also, it is worth noting that Lucifer is a fallen angel. Specifically, the angel of light, thereby making this trope OlderThanFeudalism.
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OlderThanFeudalism. This extends to some beliefs that demons look exactly like the winged angels that they used to be; having only changed inside when they fell, not outwardly. And don't really look like the hideous horned red-skinned beings as depicted. If an army of demons and angels fought each, there would be no telling the two sides apart.
29th Dec '14 7:21:33 PM MarchVee
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* "Lady Midday" from the SlavicMythology. Unless you consider sun-stroke a good thing.

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* "Lady Midday" from the SlavicMythology.Myth/SlavicMythology. Unless you consider sun-stroke a good thing.
16th Dec '14 7:47:04 AM Shimegi
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* In indo-european mythologies, the dawn goddess is generally a figure of ambivalence, as dawn ''shortens our days''. In HinduMythology, the dawn goddess Ushas is outright stated to make us old, while in GreekMythology Eos asked Zeus to make her lover immortal, but forgot the old age part, and as such he withered to a cricket.

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* In indo-european mythologies, the dawn goddess is generally a figure of ambivalence, as dawn ''shortens our days''.days, placing us closer to death with each sunrise''. In HinduMythology, the dawn goddess Ushas is outright stated to make us old, while in GreekMythology Eos asked Zeus to make her lover immortal, but forgot the old age part, and as such he withered to a cricket.
16th Dec '14 7:46:04 AM Shimegi
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* In indo-european mythologies, the dawn goddess is generally a figure of ambivalence, as dawn ''shortens our days''. In HinduMythology, the dawn goddess Ushas is outright stated to make us old, while in GreekMythology Eos asked Zeus to make her lover immortal, but forgot the old age part, and as such he withered to a cricket.
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