History KarmaHoudini / LiveActionTV

17th Jun '16 3:16:46 PM skteosk
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** Partly the case for the two Ferengi, who ended up in the Delta Quadrant by way of an unstable wormhole back in ''TNG''. They set themselves up as the prophesied Sages of a primitive civilization, reshaping it to Ferengi standards and profiting immensely. At the end of the episode, not only do they prevent the ''Voyager'' from returning home through that same wormhole, but they end up going through it themselves. While it's true that they want to go back to the planet and rule the people, the people are sick and tired of them and would likely try to burn them at the stake again. Yep, they're alive and get to go home, while the ''Voyager'' has to take the long way back.

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** Partly the case for the two Ferengi, who ended up in the Delta Quadrant by way of an unstable wormhole back in ''TNG''. They set themselves up as the prophesied Sages of a primitive civilization, reshaping it to Ferengi standards and profiting immensely. At the end of the episode, not only do they prevent the ''Voyager'' from returning home through that same wormhole, but they end up going through it themselves. While it's true that they want to go back to the planet and rule the people, the people are sick and tired of them and would likely try to burn them at the stake again. Yep, they're alive and get to go home, while the ''Voyager'' has to take the long way back. This ''may'' be averted, since their entry into the wormhole makes it even more unstable and it isn't entirely clear exactly where they ended up.
12th Jun '16 10:14:46 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Bonnie the Zygon in "The Zygon Inversion", who leads a vicious Zygon uprising against humanity which leads to the loss of several lives on both sides, but basically gets let go with a stern lecture from the Doctor. [[spoiler: She even becomes the replacement second Osgood]]. This is arguably part of the point of the episode, however; while it might be satisfying to see her get some form of punishment to satisfy some idea of karma and justice, ultimately forgiveness is the healthier option and breaking the cycle of violence, resentment and retribution that the characters had all become locked in has to start somewhere.

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** Bonnie the Zygon in "The Zygon Inversion", who leads a vicious Zygon uprising against humanity which leads to the loss of several lives on both sides, but basically gets let go with a stern lecture from the Doctor. [[spoiler: She even becomes the replacement second Osgood]]. This is arguably part of the point of the episode, however; while it might be satisfying pleasing to see her get some form of punishment to satisfy some idea of karma and justice, ultimately forgiveness is the healthier option and breaking the cycle of violence, resentment and retribution that the characters had all become locked in has to start somewhere.
12th Jun '16 9:25:09 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Bonnie the Zygon in "The Zygon Inversion", who leads a vicious Zygon uprising against humanity which leads to the loss of several lives on both sides, but basically gets let go with a stern lecture from the Doctor. [[spoiler: She even becomes the replacement second Osgood]]. This is arguably part of the point of the episode, however; while it might be satisfying to see her get some form of punishment to satisfy some idea of karma and justice, ultimately forgiveness is the healthier option and breaking the cycle of violence, resentment and retribution that the characters had all become locked in has to start somewhere.
9th Jun '16 1:41:04 AM PaulA
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* ''Series/EnemyAtTheDoor'': Hauptmann von Bulow, the title character of the episode "The Prussian Officer", is successful in humiliating Reinicke, with terrible consequences for a number of innocent bystanders, and suffers no repercussions, not even a twinge of conscience. Reinicke's attempt at retribution just results in more humiliation for himself and leaves von Bulow even more self-satisfied.
8th May '16 6:18:02 AM Sapphirea2
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** The functional immortal Ashildr/Me from the Series 9 StoryArc becomes an AntiVillain in "Face the Raven" when she agrees to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords -- via a plot that ends up accidentally claiming Clara Oswald's life, which angers the Doctor even more than the betrayal does (only Clara's demands keep him from destroying her and the trap street then and there). The Doctor subsequently goes through more-or-less solitary confinement and torture that, combined with his grief, induces a SanitySlippage that temporarily turns him into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds desperate to save Clara's life by defying a fixed moment in time. During this, he and Ashildr's paths cross again at the end of the universe's existence (she having outlived everything else). He hasn't forgiven her for her part in the plot and his resultant suffering, nor does she seek his forgiveness (though she does ask, and receive it, of Clara) or do anything to atone for her actions...yet rather than just leave her at the end of all things to die alone, he lets her follow him -- with no explanation -- onto TARDIS 2.0. In the denouement, while the Doctor repents of his actions, is mind-wiped of his most important memories of Clara, and left alone with his old TARDIS, Ashildr gets to become the now-functionally immortal Clara's companion in the second TARDIS! This '''can''' be interpreted as Ashildr just [[EarnYourHappyEnding earning her happy ending]] after eons of unwanted immortality and eventual solitude thanks to the Doctor saving her life the only way he could way back when, but couldn't she at least have apologized to him for all the grief she caused him?

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** The functional immortal Ashildr/Me (Creator/MaisieWilliams) from the Series 9 StoryArc StoryArc. The Doctor saves the Viking lass from the grave in "The Girl Who Died", but the only way he can do so also renders her functionally immortal. She becomes an AntiVillain in embittered and occasionally villainous as centuries pass thanks to TheFogOfAges, WhoWantsToLiveForever, and the Doctor's choice not to take her on as a companion lest they ''both'' become exemplars of ImmortalityImmorality, but he works to keep her on the right path, having faith that she isn't completely heartless. In "Face the Raven" when she (set in 2015) she's an AntiVillain who agrees to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords -- via a plot that ends up accidentally claiming his beloved Clara Oswald's life, which angers the Doctor even more than the betrayal does (only does; it's only Clara's demands that keep him from destroying her and the trap street then and there). there. The grieving Doctor subsequently goes through endures more-or-less solitary confinement and torture that, combined with his grief, that induces a SanitySlippage that temporarily turns him into SanitySlippage; he escapes as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds desperate to save Clara's life [[TheUnfettered by defying a fixed moment in time. During this, any means]]. In the process, he and Ashildr's paths cross again Ashildr meet at the end of the universe's existence (she existence, she having outlived everything else). He hasn't forgiven her for her part in the plot and his resultant suffering, nor does else. He's still bitter, she seek his forgiveness (though she does ask, and receive it, of Clara) won't apologize or do anything to atone for her actions...atone...yet rather than just leave her at the end of all things to die alone, he lets her follow him -- with ''with no explanation explanation'' -- onto TARDIS 2.0. In the denouement, while the Doctor repents of his actions, repents, is mind-wiped of his most important memories of Clara, and left alone with his old TARDIS, TARDIS. Ashildr gets to become becomes the now-functionally immortal Clara's companion in the second TARDIS! This '''can''' be interpreted as Ashildr just [[EarnYourHappyEnding earning TARDIS, Clara completely forgiving her happy ending]] after actions! Defenders argue she's a case of EarnYourHappyEnding because she was forced to endure TheSlowPath for eons of unwanted immortality and eventual solitude thanks to the Doctor saving her life Doctor's good intentions going awry, but others feel she merely profited off of the only way he could way back when, but couldn't she at least have apologized to him for all the grief she caused him?Doctor's suffering and loss.
2nd May '16 7:36:50 AM Sapphirea2
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** A few episodes have had the classic horror-movie "that creature is no threat to us!" character who immediately gets eaten or whatever, but often the Doctor saves the contrarians along with everyone else. The 2007 Christmas special "Voyage of the Damned" subverts it with a plot where nearly every likable character dies, but rude, unhelpful, selfish coward Rickston Slade not only survives the disaster, but turns out to have financially benefited from it. One character even comments on this to the Doctor, saying it's not fair, but you can't, and ''shouldn't'', be able to choose who lives and who dies.

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** A few episodes have had the classic horror-movie "that "That creature is no threat to us!" character who immediately gets eaten or whatever, but often the Doctor saves the contrarians along with everyone else. The 2007 Christmas special "Voyage of the Damned" subverts it with a plot where nearly every likable character dies, but rude, unhelpful, selfish coward Rickston Slade not only survives the disaster, but turns out to have financially benefited from it. One character even comments on this to the Doctor, saying it's not fair, but you can't, and ''shouldn't'', be able to choose who lives and who dies.


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** The functional immortal Ashildr/Me from the Series 9 StoryArc becomes an AntiVillain in "Face the Raven" when she agrees to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords -- via a plot that ends up accidentally claiming Clara Oswald's life, which angers the Doctor even more than the betrayal does (only Clara's demands keep him from destroying her and the trap street then and there). The Doctor subsequently goes through more-or-less solitary confinement and torture that, combined with his grief, induces a SanitySlippage that temporarily turns him into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds desperate to save Clara's life by defying a fixed moment in time. During this, he and Ashildr's paths cross again at the end of the universe's existence (she having outlived everything else). He hasn't forgiven her for her part in the plot and his resultant suffering, nor does she seek his forgiveness (though she does ask, and receive it, of Clara) or do anything to atone for her actions...yet rather than just leave her at the end of all things to die alone, he lets her follow him -- with no explanation -- onto TARDIS 2.0. In the denouement, while the Doctor repents of his actions, is mind-wiped of his most important memories of Clara, and left alone with his old TARDIS, Ashildr gets to become the now-functionally immortal Clara's companion in the second TARDIS! This '''can''' be interpreted as Ashildr just [[EarnYourHappyEnding earning her happy ending]] after eons of unwanted immortality and eventual solitude thanks to the Doctor saving her life the only way he could way back when, but couldn't she at least have apologized to him for all the grief she caused him?
19th Mar '16 8:34:41 PM thrall-demonsweat
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* ''Series/DegrassiTheNextGeneration'': In season 2, Paige is raped by Dean. After several incidents where he taunts her about the ordeal, she presses charges against him, but the trial doesn't take place until season 4. However, Dean is found not guilty due to the lack of evidence. Paige gets a small measure of revenge by wrecking Dean's car by deliberately crashing Spinner's car into it.

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* ''Series/DegrassiTheNextGeneration'': In season 2, Paige is raped by Dean. After several incidents where he taunts her about the ordeal, she presses charges against him, but the trial doesn't take place until season 4. However, Dean is found not guilty due to the lack of evidence. Paige gets a small measure of revenge by wrecking Dean's car by deliberately crashing Spinner's car into it. Also, Dean states that he does not get in to a fraternity that he was pledging for because Paige had shown up at one of their parties and screams about Dean raping her. However, no real consequence is ever felt by Dean.
9th Mar '16 6:45:56 AM deknegt
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**Malcolm Merlyn is the king Karma Houdini and overall [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bastard]] over the first three seasons of Arrow. In the first season it's revealed he [[spoiler:orchestrated the death of Robert Queen and Oliver's subsequent 5 year exile on Lian Yu, AND the death of Sara Lance and all the other people that were on the ship when it exploded. On top of this, he attempts to level the glades using man-made earthquakes, something that ends up killing his only son and many innocent civilians. And despite being exposed as the culprit, he gets away with it.]]
*** In season three he returned to prominence [[spoiler:after training his biological daughter Thea Queen, brainwashing her to have her kill Black Canary (Sara Lance). He is caught by the league, but still survives when Oliver sacrifices his own freedom to resurrect Thea after she is killed by Ra's al Ghul (indirectly thanks to Malcolm having had her kill Sara). At the end of season three Malcolm is shunned by all the protagonist, but ends up becoming the new leader of The League of Assassin's without any sort of comeuppance.]]
28th Jan '16 9:32:20 AM bwburke94
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** Russel Winters in the pilot "City Of..." openly brags about being a KarmaHoudini who can, as he puts it, "do whatever I want". Then Angel asks him "Can you fly?" Unlike some movie vampires, he can't, especially not in the sunlight.

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** Russel Russell Winters in the pilot "City Of..." openly brags about being a KarmaHoudini who can, as he puts it, "do whatever I want". Then Angel asks him "Can you fly?" Unlike some movie vampires, he can't, especially not in the sunlight.
27th Nov '15 9:40:41 PM HighCrate
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** Possibly the biggest Karma Houdini in history occurs in the episode "The Survivors" where it eventually transpires that an immortal superalien named Kevin [[DisproportionateRetribution accidentally, in a moment of pure rage, killed all fifty billion members]] of the race that killed his (human) wife. He feels bad about it but not bad enough that he doesn't create a fantasy version of his wife to carry on as if it never happened. In the circumstances, though, it's understandable that Picard's response is to go "Yikes" and get as far away from him as possible. At the same time, we are not shown any other superbeings (e.g. the Q Continuum, Organians) punishing him for this.

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** Possibly the biggest Karma Houdini in history occurs in ** In the episode "The Survivors" where it eventually transpires that an immortal superalien named Kevin [[DisproportionateRetribution accidentally, in a moment of pure rage, killed all fifty billion members]] of the race that killed his (human) wife. He feels bad about it but not bad enough that he doesn't create a fantasy version of his wife to carry on as if it never happened. In the circumstances, though, it's understandable that Picard's response is to go "Yikes" and get as far away from him as possible. At the same time, we are not shown any other superbeings (e.g. the Q Continuum, Organians) punishing him for this.



** Majorly averted for the Cardassians. They have a long history to the point it could be said that evil has been ingrained into their species. Cardassians occupied Bajor for 60 years, [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration tortured Captain Picard]], [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine kidnapped O'Brien]] to be murdered in a KangarooCourt as a political maneuver, terrorized colonies that a treaty put in their territory, thereby giving rise to [[CreateYourOwnVillain the Maquis]], went TheQuisling by joining the Dominion against the rest of the Alpha Quadrant, and, oh yeah, one of 'em tried to release evil gods from [[SealedEvilInACan their can]]. [=DS9=] ends with Cardassia wrecked, their having been on the receiving end of DayOfTheJackboot for a change.
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