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15th Oct '17 11:47:34 PM PaulA
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** It's hard to put a protector - or group of protectors - into any category, given the time, resources and incentive to cooperate instead of trying to kill each other. In the original "Protector" story, Brennan and his childless protectors converted the entire colony planet of 'Home' into a Trojan Horse deathtrap for an incoming ''fleet'' of protectors. (Although it's never explicitly outlined what they did to it. The fact it was later colonized implies that it wouldn't have been substantially deterraformed. The fact that Known Space is not later populated entirely by Pak implies that whatever they did allowed Brennan to ''win''.) Protectors also built the Ringworld, which was theorized to require some kind of energy/matter conversion, and the atomic-level engineering technology needed to create a Ringworld-sized amount of building material. Not to mention the shadow square system and the energy to spin the whole thing up to the required 770km/s to create the artificial gravity. In Ringworld's Children, we see a ''single'' protector develop technology to almost entirely redesign and rebuild the Ringworld "from the ground up" with captured nanotech - and turn the entire thing into a Bussard ramjet powered spaceship.

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** It's hard to put a protector - or group of protectors - into any category, given the time, resources and incentive to cooperate instead of trying to kill each other. In the original "Protector" ''Literature/{{Protector}}'' story, Brennan and his childless protectors converted the entire colony planet of 'Home' into a Trojan Horse deathtrap for an incoming ''fleet'' of protectors. (Although it's never explicitly outlined what they did to it. The fact it was later colonized implies that it wouldn't have been substantially deterraformed. The fact that Known Space is not later populated entirely by Pak implies that whatever they did allowed Brennan to ''win''.) Protectors also built the Ringworld, Literature/{{Ringworld}}, which was theorized to require some kind of energy/matter conversion, and the atomic-level engineering technology needed to create a Ringworld-sized amount of building material. Not to mention the shadow square system and the energy to spin the whole thing up to the required 770km/s to create the artificial gravity. In Ringworld's Children, ''Literature/RingworldsChildren'', we see a ''single'' protector develop technology to almost entirely redesign and rebuild the Ringworld "from the ground up" with captured nanotech - -- and turn the entire thing into a Bussard ramjet powered spaceship.
1st Oct '17 4:46:24 PM HelloLamppost
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* For most of the webcomic ''[[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob's]]'' run, the Nemesites appear to be a Type I at most, but the "Cone" story reveals that they actually weild far more powerful technologies than we'd seen, and just have cultural mores against using the high-end stuff casually. A Nemesite Butterfly of Iron can cause a star to go nova on a whim, if it likes.

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* For most of the webcomic ''[[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob's]]'' run, the Nemesites appear to be a Type I at most, but the "Cone" story reveals that they actually weild wield far more powerful technologies than we'd seen, and just have cultural mores against using the high-end stuff casually. A Nemesite Butterfly of Iron can cause a star to go nova on a whim, if it likes.
1st Oct '17 4:45:47 PM HelloLamppost
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* For most of the webcomic [[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob's]] run, the Nemesites appear to be a Type I at most, but the "Cone" story reveals that they actually weird far more powerful technologies than we'd seen, and just have cultural mores against using the high-end stuff casually. A Nemesite Butterfly of Iron can cause a star to go nova on a whim, if it likes.

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* For most of the webcomic [[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob ''[[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob's]] Bob's]]'' run, the Nemesites appear to be a Type I at most, but the "Cone" story reveals that they actually weird weild far more powerful technologies than we'd seen, and just have cultural mores against using the high-end stuff casually. A Nemesite Butterfly of Iron can cause a star to go nova on a whim, if it likes.
1st Oct '17 4:44:16 PM HelloLamppost
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* For most of the webcomic [[Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob's]] run, the Nemesites appear to be a Type I at most, but the "Cone" story reveals that they actually weird far more powerful technologies than we'd seen, and just have cultural mores against using the high-end stuff casually. A Nemesite Butterfly of Iron can cause a star to go nova on a whim, if it likes.
29th Sep '17 6:25:34 AM CosmicFerret
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** GURPS is also notable among [=RPGs=] because it gives rules for mismatched tech levels. An enlightened and peaceful civilization might have figured out bodily immortality (TL 11) yet have no weapons more advanced than "mere" 20th-century nukes (TL 7). It also allows fantasy/alternative technology forms, For example, a Steampunk world like ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' would be TL 5+4 (Steam engine/Victorian with flight, death rays, and mechanical AI), while ''TheFlintstones'' would be TL 0+6 (Stone Age with TV and cars! ), or, by the end of the original series, TL 0+7 (still Stone Age, but now with very early computers and space travel).

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** GURPS is also notable among [=RPGs=] because it gives rules for mismatched tech levels. An enlightened and peaceful civilization might have figured out bodily immortality (TL 11) yet have no weapons more advanced than "mere" 20th-century nukes (TL 7). It also allows fantasy/alternative technology forms, For example, a Steampunk world like ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' would be TL 5+4 (Steam engine/Victorian with flight, death rays, and mechanical AI), while ''TheFlintstones'' ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' would be TL 0+6 (Stone Age with TV and cars! ), or, by the end of the original series, TL 0+7 (still Stone Age, but now with very early computers and space travel).
28th Sep '17 11:03:40 PM kahlzun
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* The Ark and Mount Weather from ''Series/The100'' possess slightly more advanced technology than modern humanity, but have very limited resources, and can only support a population equivalent to a small town.


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* The Ark and Mount Weather from ''Series/The100'' possess slightly more advanced technology than modern humanity, but have very limited resources, and can only support a population equivalent to a small town.

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28th Sep '17 11:02:17 PM kahlzun
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* The planet Earth in ''Series/{{Friends}}'' appears to be technologically advanced about as much as the Earth of the real world.
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* The planet Earth in ''Series/{{Friends}}'' appears to be technologically advanced about as much as the Earth of the real world.
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28th Sep '17 1:15:08 AM PaulA
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* The Danannians from L.E. Modesitt's ''The Eternity Artifact'' were at least Type III, but it's entirely possible they were a borderline type IV+.

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* The Danannians from L.E. Modesitt's Creator/LEModesittJr's ''The Eternity Artifact'' were at least Type III, but it's entirely possible they were a borderline type IV+.
17th Aug '17 7:15:52 PM KillerClowns
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* ''VideoGame/{{Stellaris}}'':
** Most conventional civs start off as a high Type 0, having just discovered FTL. Throughout the game, a civilization will eventually reach to a low-to-moderate Type II, able to construct {{Dyson Sphere}}s and [[RingWorldPlanet Ringworlds]] (albeit at great expense and difficulty).
** The [[VestigialEmpire Fallen Empires]] are harder to categorize; they were once Type [=IIs=], minimum, some of them having ''multiple'' ringworlds (now mostly in ruin), but have forgotten how to use much of their own technology. They return to being a very solid Type II if they should [[AwakenTheSleepingGiant awaken]], though.
** Even ''contacting'' [[EnergyBeing the beings of the Shroud]] requires the energies and science of a Type II civilization, and [[EldritchAbomination the mightiest of them]] are powerful enough to ''awe'' said civilizations. The [[CosmicHorrorStory End of the Cycle]] in particular [[spoiler:can ''swallow'' one such civilization, likely on its way to being a Type III after [[PowerAtAPrice reaping its rewards]], [[CurbStompBattle in seconds]].]]
28th Jul '17 2:50:39 AM Omeganian
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* Although limited to just a portion of a single galaxy the major powers in ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' easily place themselves here thanks widespread use of mass/energy conversion technology. For example wormholes called grazers are used to devour entire stars over a period of decades and simultaneously convert most of their mass directly to energy. That implies about 10[[superscript:38]W for each such device.[[note]]A star's mass is about 10[[superscript:30]] kg, just under 10[[superscript:17]] J per kg, "decades" is around 10[[superscript:9]]seconds[[/note]]. Deep well industrial zones, operating at the edges of black holes, produce and use similar amounts of power.

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* Although limited to just a portion of a single galaxy the major powers in ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' easily place themselves here thanks widespread use of mass/energy conversion technology. For example wormholes called grazers are used to devour entire stars over a period of decades and simultaneously convert most of their mass directly to energy. That implies about 10[[superscript:38]W 10[[superscript:38]]W for each such device.[[note]]A star's mass is about 10[[superscript:30]] kg, just under 10[[superscript:17]] J per kg, "decades" is around 10[[superscript:9]]seconds[[/note]]. Deep well industrial zones, operating at the edges of black holes, produce and use similar amounts of power.
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