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* Generally speaking, don't talk about music in polite company, with the ''possible'' exception of when you're at a concert. Everyone hates what you listen to, this goes double if you're a big fan of a DeadHorseGenre.
* If someone asks to peek at your iPod to see what you listen to DO NOT LET THEM. There's a 75% that they will either love a band you don't listen to much or they will love a band that you think is rubbish.
** Having an iPod in the first place is enough to trigger a backdraft.
* Go on to any music video of a song that ''Series/{{Glee}}'' covered and say they sang it better. Then run and don't look back. Or better yet, go on to the ''Glee'' cover video and say either it sucked and/or the original version was better. Then sit back and watch the flames erupt.
* James Blake: Is he really dubstep? In general it seems that if someone is a big fan, then yes, how could he not? If not, then how is that even close?
* What ''is'' dubstep for that matter? The dark, atmospheric early works of artists like Skream? Or is it the more wobbly bass-centric tracks of Skrillex and his ilk? Seemingly '''any''' dubstep video or discussion has already devolved, or is mere hours away from devolving, into a perpetual flame war between the two camps.
* Electronic music vs. music performed live. Enjoy your planet-melting heat.
** {{Vocaloid}} [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI seems to have combined the two.]]
* Go on to any Music/{{Rammstein}} music video and call them Nazis. Then run for your life.
* Same goes for KMFDM. Best put on your running shoes beforehand.
* Music/NineInchNails vs. every other industrial band, or better yet, whether NIN is actually Industrial
* Whether ''anything'' is "real industrial". Expect it to boil down to Throbbing Gristle and Laibach fans against everyone else.
* {{Auto-Tune}} is a big source of contention amongst groups that pride musical talent or groups who like individuality or groups who like individuality with auto tune/vocoder, or groups who like no-limitation in musical growth, groups who''hate'' musical growth, or perfection, or just the plain useage of the term Auto-Tune over Vocoder winds people up.
* Loads of endless heated debates are within fans of the same band or solo artist regarding their 'best' and 'worst' material. Usually it comes in the following types: old material vs new material, hits vs no-hits, electric vs acoustic, analogue vs digital, this composer vs that composer, before or after 'x' member entered or left, etc. More often than not, asking what your favourite song is by said band or artist can be a dangerous topic. Some will insist that there is only one correct answer to that question (the fan favourite, SignatureSong or not), while others will insist that choosing the signature song (fan favourite or not) is a sign of being a {{noob}}. Others still will say that you're not a true fan if you can easily choose a single favourite.
* Pick a video of "IstanbulNotConstantinople" by Music/TheyMightBeGiants on Website/YouTube. Any one. Guaranteed there'll be a huge Greece vs. Turkey flame war in the comments section.
* Similar video example: videos for Music/IronMaiden's "Alexander the Great" attract flames between Greeks, Macedons and people from Balkanic nations.
* Similar video example: Find a video of a piece or opera fragment by Richard Wagner. Chances are there will be an ongoing argument concerning his antisemitism, the fact that {{Hitler}} [[HitlerAteSugar was a big fan]], and whether these two points are related, relevant to the music, or covered by statute of limitations.
* In general, a song which has been covered/parodied by somebody else will have flames on both pages over which is better. Music/JohnnyCash's cover of "[[NineInchNails Hurt]]" being an exception.
* The EurovisionSongContest. Oh boy, ''the Eurovision contest''. Every year brings a renewed lot of "Losing Country vs. Winning Country" debates, some countries even have "Last year's commentators vs. This year's" internal flamewars. Of course, those are nothing compared to the politically loaded debates, such as 2008's "Did eastern european countries vote for Russia because they're afraid of VladimirPutin?" And let's not forget "Armenia/Azerbaijan/Turkey/Israel isn't European!"
* Claiming that/asking if the band Music/DragonForce speeds up or otherwise modifies their songs.
* Let the newbie wandering into any forum discussions of Music/{{Nightwish}}, or any discussion on Music/{{Nightwish}}, be forewarned now, Tarja vs. Annete, bad idea. One singular mentioning could result in the equivalent of a 50 megaton nuke going off.
* There is a similar reaction in regards to discussion on any of Sirenia's three female singers.
* "Music/{{Metallica}} v. Music/{{Megadeth}}" threads turn into legendary flame wars.
** Actually, that's become old news. As of late, however, Megadeth has become a touchy subject thanks to Dave's increasingly deranged and idiotic behavior and the ever-increasing drop in quality of their music.
* Same goes for "Old" Metallica versus "New Metallica," for that matter.
* [[Music/TupacShakur 2Pac]] vs. [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]].
* Music/TheWho vs. Music/LedZeppelin
* Music/TheCure vs. Music/TheSmiths
* Music/{{Jay-Z}} vs. [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]]
* Music/{{Nas}} vs. Music/{{Jay-Z}}
* Music/FaithNoMore vs. Music/RedHotChiliPeppers
* Music/NewEdition vs. Music/NewKidsOnTheBlock, when you bring it up in the right circles.
* Pick a Velvet Revolver video on Website/YouTube. The comments page will, without exception, degenerate into a "'Old' Music/GunsNRoses vs. Stone Temple Pilots" or "Axl Rose vs. Scott Weiland" flame war.
* And if it doesn't become Axl vs. Scott, it will become Velvet Revolver vs. "New" Guns n Roses (or some other Slash vs. Axl war)
* Ask for an opinion on any {{post-grunge}} band. Watch sparks fly.
* Or ask a group of grunge fans whether Stone Temple Pilots are grunge or post-grunge. It will get ugly.
* HipHop gets this a lot; just ask whether hip-hop is better now or was much better back in the day, and watch the net get set ablaze. It's mostly pre-2000's rap fans vs post-[[TheNineties 90's]] rap fans. Of course, both of these groups are diverse as far as age and gender goes, but it doesn't stop people from calling the other group of fans "old fogies with a NostalgiaFilter" or "little suburban girls who don't know anything about hip-hop."
* Claim that Music/LilWayne is the Greatest Rapper Alive. Watch all the Music/{{Eminem}} / Music/{{Jay-Z}} / Music/{{Nas}} / [[Music/TupacShakur 2pac]] / [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]] / hell every non-Lil' Wayne fans jump you at once.
* Worse yet if you claim Music/SouljaBoy is talented. Given the new song of his about anime makes it clear that he doesn't actually watch anime, but that's besides the point.
* Internet forums get especially hot over any "rock versus rap" discussion brought forward. These discussions tend to skew predominantly one way or another (depending on the forum), but the flame still kicks up pretty high. You can find those in the "Rock Covers of 'Lollipop' and 'Crank Dat'" aisle.
* Whether in real life or on the internet, bring up what band is and isn't goth amongst a group of goths and you're bound to see some angry debates. Mentioning Music/MarilynManson is probably the quickest way to stir anger, but battles over Music/JoyDivision (whether they were just influential to the genre or actually part of it), Siouxsie and the Banshees, Music/TheCure, Music/DepecheMode, Music/{{Ministry}}, and numerous others are all fairly common.
* Also entire flamewars over modern "Cybergoth" music like VNV Nation, Blutengel, and so on.
* On the subject of goth music, which lead singer of Christian Death was better -- Rozz or Valor?
** For that matter, was Gitane Demone an integral part of the band whose presence was the only thing keeping it from sliding into absolute mediocrity after Rozz's departure, or a pretty face and nothing more?
* [[JapanesePopMusic Johnny's]] vs [[KoreanPopMusic SM Entertainment]]. Or just Kpop vs Jpop {{boy band}}s in general.
* Though the flames have died down in the last two or three years, a heated internet debate of the past surrounded j-rockers Music/MaliceMizer: Who was the best lead singer, Tetsu, Music/{{Gackt}}, or Klaha?
* Music/XJapan. Here's only a few of the ways to start a fight to rival any fight the band was ever involved in:
** Discussing anything related to sexuality and/or gender of the band members. Mentioning EveryoneIsBi on a forum composed mostly of straight fans can light off a flamewar, as can insisting that any given member is [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial 100 percent totally straight dammit!!!]] in other venues.
** Who's the better guitarist, hide or Pata or some of those old guys from 1985? Who's the better bassist, Taiji or Heath? Pages of flames later, you'll be regretting you ever got into it.
** Discussing anything related to SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll. Even if you DID see Taiji with cocaine smeared all over his shirt at a live. Even if that pic of Yoshiki passed out has rounded the Internet and come back again. This is just Not To Be Discussed.
** How did hide die? Was it an accident, suicide, or murder? Forget detectives, this debate needs firefighters.
** Yoshiki in general. Fans vs. FanHater is the usual.
** Yoshiki/hide or Yoshiki/Toshi? How about "run for your life"?
* Find ANY Sabaton clip on youtube. Watch several countries rage across the comments, more often then not atleast one not even mentioned in the song. For example, how did we get from a music video about WWI to a Hitler vs Mao flamewar?
* [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chalga Chalga.]] Essentially, influential folk genres (like traditional Roma and Turkish music) infused with dance pop and the bitches-bling-beefs attitude. Depending on your point of view it's either a recipe for a fun night at the clubs or THE END OF BULGARIAN CULTURE AS WE KNOW IT. Even if the music's not good, it's pretty depressing seeing the [[DudeNotFunny classist and racist arguments against it.]]
** It's more of a generalized Balkan thing - Romanians have [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manele manele]] (whose {{Hatedom}} is larger and more vocal ''and'' it's a country where anti-Roma prejudice is still pretty widespread, so expect more UnfortunateImplications given that the genre arguably got codified in the poorer, Roma-majority neighbourhoods of Bucharest), Serbians have [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbofolk turbo-folk]] (less UnfortunateImplications arguments because Serbia doesn't have as large a Roma minority, and if anything the way turbo-folk flourished and was promoted heavily during the wars in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo in the 1990s can be interesting from a socio-political perspective) and Greece arguably has laiko and skyladiko.
* Music/MichaelJackson, after his death in 2009, has become something of a hot-button topic... specially MistakenForPedophile [[TooSoon jokes]].
* If you go to any fan-made [[Music/HelloProject Morning Musume]] forum and say something positive about Koharu Kusumi, there's a small chance you'll make it out alive.
* Go on youtube to any white guy covering a blues song. It has already erupted into people arguing whether the old version is better than the new one and whether the new one's artists are racist.
* Make a [[TooSoon joke]] about Music/JohnLennon's death. Then run. Quickly.
* Try to find a Website/YouTube video of Yusuf Islam (the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens) that hasn't devolved into a massive wank over religion.
* ''And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda'' tends to end up with people getting into arguments about Winston Churchill's involvement in that particular battle the song's about.
* ''40:1'' commentary ends up pretty much flame wars over Poland's politics in WWII.
* Rock vs. pop is another genre fight, especially post-1995 pop.
* On related news, ''Rolling Stone'''s declaring Music/BritneySpears a 'Queen of Rock' really struck a nerve amongst rock fans.
* Anything involving Music/TheJonasBrothers and/or Series/HannahMontana / Music/MileyCyrus, anything at all, will summon tween fangirls who think they are the best thing since sliced bread, and fans of other kinds of music who think thes "musicians" who owe all of their success to Disney. This isn't a flame war so much as a massive explosion.
* This isn't even safe among the tween fangirls. Just try to say you like Miley on a forum for Music/SelenaGomez / Music/DemiLovato fans.
* To a lesser extent, [[http://connect.taylorswift.com/forum/thread/48648/My_friend_thinks Miley hate appears]] on Music/TaylorSwift forums.
* Because of an incident on {{Twitter}} when Music/DemiLovato criticized a ''Series/ShakeItUp'' joke for mocking anorexia, then observed in her tweets how skinnier and skinnier Creator/DisneyChannel actresses have gotten (a comment which unintentionally drew ire from ZendayaColeman's dad, who claimed that Zendaya took the comments personally), and SIU actor DavisCleveland making comments defending his show and his co-stars while criticizing Demi, there is a FandomRivalry between Demi's fans and Davis'/''Shake It Up'''s. It can get...nasty. (Demi has since apologized, but that has not seemed to stop the FandomRivalry.)
* Find any Music/{{Tool}} video on Youtube. The argument will always go something along the lines of "Tool sucks", "Maynard is a God", "I don't understand the song", "Only REAL fans understand the song", "Anyone claiming to understand the song is a wanker", "[[Music/NineInchNails NIN]] is better".
** Just mention casual Tool fandom to a hardcore Tool fan and vice versa. One side is apparently comprised of basement-dwelling neckbeards who only pause from devouring bags of Cheetos if it's to post poorly-written, obnoxiously pretentious drivel on Tool-related discussions, while the other side is apparently a bunch of pathetic stoners and fratboy douchebags who listen to it in a "dude, this shit is, like, so fuckin' deep, man" spirit while taking in absolutely nothing of value from the music or lyrics. It can get ''extremely'' ugly, and Maynard's open hatred of the hardcore fandom only adds to it.
* Talk about major record labels. Especially the one whose acronym is identical to a large section of the TV Tropes page.
* "Hi! My favorite band is (insert band name here). Let's talk about them!"
* If you're ever unwise enough to go on a jazz or saxophone forum and mention Kenny G, make sure you take good cover afterwards. There will be fatalities.
* It's hard to be a Music/KanyeWest fan nowadays. Ever since he changed his style from rap to auto tune singing, compared himself to Jesus, claimed that GeorgeBush doesn't care about black people, and just recently, interrupted Music/TaylorSwift during her 2009 VMA Award speech, you can't safely admit liking him without somebody bringing these things up. It doesn't help that he is known as "[[BarackObama Jackass]]" or "[[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Gay Fish]]" either.
* Like the above hip-hop example, the contemporary R&B/Soul genre gets this as well, regarding who can and can't sing, what measures a soul singer, and what time period was the best. If you ever dare say Music/{{Rihanna}}, Ciara, Nicole Scherzinger, Kerri Hillson, Music/{{Beyonce}}, etc. are great singers, prepare to get hit with a megaton nuke and watch people say they can't sing and only made it because of their looks. Male stars get this as well.
* A large number of R&B fans think MusicIsPolitics is in play every time a ButNotTooBlack {{Stripperific}} female singer whose talent lies more in dancing and looking good than actually singing becomes popular. Unfairly or not, these people like to point at Rihanna, Cassie, Ashanti, Beyonce, Kristina Debarge (though this has more to do with whether or not she's screwing up the Debarge name), Keri Hilson, Nicole Scherzinger, Ciara, Christina Millian, Mya, and even Aaliyah ([[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead until she died]]) as examples of "industry whores". Of course, these artists still have fans and they will come out in droves to defend them. Detractors of the aforementioned singers will accuse them and the industry of impeding the success of more "pure", and "mature" R&B/Soul singers like Conya Doss, Amel Lareaux, Heather Headly, India.Arie, Angie Stone, Corin Bailey Rae, Vivian Green, Jill Scott, and so on.
* Go to any video featuring a drum solo by any popular drummer, especially Buddy Rich. Cue arguments over who is best, usually mentioning Travis Barker of Blink182 (either he's the best or just overrated) specifically.
* When discussing Music/{{Nirvana}}:
** Do not mention Music/KurtCobain's death. If it's too late for that, avoid mentioning [[YokoOhNo Courtney Love]] or anything related to her at all costs. If you aren't careful, you will end up with a "Was it suicide or did she bump him off?" flame war on your hands, complete with dodgy old rumours being dragged up and gratuitous Courtney Love bashing, going on and on and on whilst the original discussion about Nirvana's music lies forgotten. For examples of this, read the discussions under any, meaning ANY, Youtube video related to Nirvana or Hole.
** Likewise, never ''never'' '''NEVER''' mention Music/WeirdAlYankovic's parody "Smells Like Nirvana" around fans of..well...Nirvana. Ironic, considering that Kurt Cobain himself actually ''liked'' the parody song.
** Ditto with Music/ToriAmos' cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which Kurt also enjoyed.
* Mention liking any version of "Don't Rain on My Parade" not done by Music/BarbraStreisand. Then run away. Quickly.[[note]]The exceptions to this seem to be Rachel Berry's CrowningMomentOfAwesome during the season finale of ''Series/{{Glee}}'' and Music/{{Japan}}'s cover.[[/note]]
* Compare Music/TaylorSwift, Music/CarrieUnderwood or Kellie Pickler to each other in a thread related to any of the three. Fans of any individual artist will ''viciously'' state that "their" artist is superior to the other two.
* A newbie to {{Vocaloid}} watches a Miku video. Suddenly, he comments, "What anime is this?" That poor guy.
** Let's not get into the flame wars over new voices, or shipping.
** The never-ending argument on whether Rin and Len are twins, mirror images, or even related at all?
** People who aren't fans that see a video of a live concert always remark in a way that will cause an eruption of hate.
** Kids react to Hatsune Miku. Both the video and discussions about it...
** Heck, even mentioning Hatsune Miku's short hair version is better than her original one...
*** Or maybe just mentioning that Hatsune Miku is better than (insert other Vocaloid here)...
* Believe it or not, the fans of pop/opera singer Music/JoshGroban have a massive tendency to explode into Holy Wars. Want to start a FlameWar that'll last for a good month? Waltz onto those forums and announce that you think he's cute when he's tipsy, or that you liked that Blender quote where he admitted to making booty calls. Saying that he's anything less than 100% angelic all the time WILL cause a mass of crazies to bring out the torches and pitchforks, no matter how much the poor guy protests that he's normal. And God help you if you even hint at a certain picture of him taken in New Orleans. Or compare him unfavorably to Clay Aiken. Sit back and enjoy your popcorn.
* Metal fans are known for this. If it's not intense FandomRivalry between fans of different subgenres, it's arguing over what's "true" metal and what's not.
* Woe be to the person who brings up any NuMetal or {{Metalcore}} band on a metal forum. Perhaps the one thing that all metalheads agree on is that neither of those two genres are real metal. Also counts for 80's HardRock a.k.a. "Glam Metal". Or Grunge. However, you might be able to get away with calling Music/{{Soundgarden}} or Music/AliceInChains metal, as the [[SeriousBusiness experts]] at Metal-Archives have decreed that [[http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=753 both]] [[http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5649 bands]] are indeed metal.
* Music/{{Kesha}} vs. Music/{{Uffie}} can be pretty intense, especially on Youtube comments on their videos, particularily the latter. Uffie is often claimed to have [[OlderThanTheyThink done it first]] and be of higher quality musically, whilst Ke$ha is often claimed to be more popular.
* As a result of this trope, Music/KingCrimson discussion list Elephant Talk had an ''internet fire door'' operated by the moderator. Interdicted subjects included just about any position on the relative merits of band members past and present, comparisons with any other prog rock group, bad encounters with Robert Fripp, essays into music theory, the Crimso tune ''Larks Tongues in Aspic'' being used as background music in ''Emanuelle'', and just about anything that strays off topic.
* Deathcore. Say something positive about it on ANY metal forum and expect to be insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about [=TapouT=], gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) off alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.
* Arch Enemy:
** Mention the name Johan Liiva in a Gossow-era Arch Enemy video (or vice versa). Sparks will fly.
** Not only is Johan's voice polarizing to the fanbase, but his departure (let's not even get into whether he quit or was fired) and the band's hiring of Angela Gossow as his replacement marked a drastic change in direction for the band (more emphasis on the "melodic" part of MelodicDeathMetal, ''far'' less on the "death" part). Many old fans of the band [[MisBlamed go as far as to blame Angela]] for the change in direction ([[FanDumb never mid the fact that Michael Amott has always done pretty much all of the songwriting anyway]]).
** Even in the most civil of discussions on the Liiva vs. Gossow subject, tread waters carefully. Without exception, someone will always play the gender card, and things will get ugly fast.
* Mention Music/LadyGaga on any internet forum. Cue arguments consisting of "She's awesome/is trolling the music industry/is creative" vs. "She's a fake, prepackaged annoyance/is unoriginal/is pretentious/her fans are elitist." Nine times out of ten, she will be compared to Music/DavidBowie. Cue arguing over which of the two is better.
* Don't you DARE Say Lady Gaga, Music/ChristinaAguilera or Music/BritneySpears sucks on ONTD if you're in the mood for a stan war....
* And really don't mention Lady Gaga around fans of electroclash, particularly RobotsInDisguise or you'll hear about how she did nothing but steal their genre, make it suck musically, and make it mainstream. It doesn't help that music critic Simon Reynolds came up with the idea, giving it some degree of "legitimacy"
* When the tragic backstory of Music/EvelynEvelyn was first posted online by Music/AmandaPalmer and JasonWebley, backdraft happened on several levels. Some people didn't like the fact that disabled characters were portrayed as being socially awkward. And some people didn't like the fact that Amanda and Jason played victims of sexual abuse, even though Amanda herself is a rape survivor.
* In fact, just mention Amanda Palmer at all if you want to start a flamewar. She has a Hatedom that rivals her fandom in dedication.
* On any emo forum, bring up what music is emo. The site will then divide itself into four camps, the young under 18 kids who like Good Charlotte, Music/PanicAtTheDisco and other stereotypical bands, the people declaring screamo to be the only legitimate form of emo, the people who listen to a blend of both aforementioned groups music, and the older forum members declaring all new emo sucks and recommending virtually nothing released past 2002. All four groups will gladly rip each other apart without ever arriving at an answer.
* Heck, call any rock band that that tackles negative romantic themes and stuff that isn't sunshine and rainbows emo and see the sparks fly.
* Music in other languages is ''not'' free of this. Go to Website/YouTube, search for any Silvio Rodriguez or Pablo Milanes video, and bask in the neverending heat coming from all the wank between people who think Silvio and Pablo are mere puppets of the Cuban government and others who believe that Emilio and Gloria Estefan are sell-outs who want to kill Cuban music.
* Mention Mark Russell in the presence of any Music/TomLehrer fan--or, even worse, confuse the two--and you'd better set your affairs in order and make peace with your deity.
* Did Music/ToriAmos copy Music/KateBush, and worse, who is better?
* Did [insert eccentric female singer-songwriter] copy Music/KateBush?
* Anything related to religious music, especially ChristianRock.
* If you say you like the Music/ScissorSisters' version of '[[Music/PinkFloyd Comfortably Numb]]' you will be repeatedly told that you are stupid.
* There are still some heated discussions over whether Music/{{Genesis}} was any good after Music/PeterGabriel left. Or after Steve Hackett left. Or after Music/PhilCollins "left" - i.e., was "Calling All Stations" redeemable, and if not, was it Ray Wilson's fault or not?
* Make a thread about [[Music/{{Burzum}} Varg Vikernes]] on any metal forum. Given how belligerent black metal fans tend to be, things will get ugly. Varg is either an immensely talented musical genius, or a vile racist whose music is overshadowed by his persona. Doesn't help that his most vocal fans tend to be either teenagers who like him ''due to'' the [[EvilIsCool church burnings and Euronymous's murder]] or Neo-Nazis.
* Mentioning any of the following in a progressive rock forum: Neo-Prog, Prog Metal (especially Music/DreamTheater), whether any given band is prog or not, any 70s prog rock band's 80s or later material, Prog vs. Punk, whether any particular widely liked/hated album is overrated/underrated.
** Mentioning Dream Theater around metal fans is even touchier: they're either geniuses who managed to adopt the sound and spirit of Yes and Genesis into a metal format, or pretentious assholes mistaking their instruments for their dicks who can't write songs to save their lives. Expect tons of Fates Warning, Queensryche, and Symphony X fans to say some ''very'' unkind things.
* Synthesizers and whether they're "real instruments" or not.
* Most fans of Music/{{Ultravox}} are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].
* Whether a band counts as indie rock or not and what exactly the definition of indie rock is.
* Similarly, Punk Rock. There is a fair amount of intersect between the two backdrafts.
* Try admitting that you like Music/MyChemicalRomance online.
* Another point of contention within the HipHop community is whether or not the state of current Hip-Hop is natural progression or is it [[AstroTurf astro turfed]] thanks to ExecutiveMeddling and due to the fact that MusicIsPolitics?
** Gets more complicated if you believe the mainstream media and white America is the one that's driving hip-hop now instead of the inner city streets, blacks and latinos. Some even believing young urban blacks are being marginalized within their ''own'' culture.
* Just don't mention Music/JustinBieber at all: other people already have, and either they compared him and his fans to something negative, or fangirls did and everyone else started a flame war. The InternetBackdraft on him is so extreme that he is mentioned on '''every single music video''' on Youtube. Every. Single. One. Usually in a "[number of dislike votes] are Justin Bieber fans", occasionally something like "I don't want the Bieber fans ever discovering this music, they aren't worthy to listen to it". He gets even more hate than Vevo ads.
* Go practically ''anywhere'' and announce that Music/TheBeatles were terrible. And prepare to be torn limb from limb. If you amend this to 'overrated', you just might survive. ''Might''. Hell, even just stating that the band's music is simply not your personal preference (but you still respect their role in rock music) is quite risky.
* To a lesser extent, any discussion about whether Music/TheBeatles, Music/TheRollingStones or Music/TheWho were the better 1960s BritishInvasion band will get very interesting, very quickly.
* The age-old debate over what is more important in music: the lyrics or the melody?
* Go on and ask whether or not "Virtual Bands" (IE: TheGorillaz, AlvinAndTheChipmunks, etc.) count as legitimate musicians or if their technical non-existence is taking away attention from "Real Musicians".
* Mention anywhere on the internet that you enjoy Music/{{Creed}} or Music/{{Nickelback}}.
* Callas or Tebaldi? The war among opera fans is still going strong even though both ladies are dead. Also Ye Golden Age of Opera (Callas, Tebaldi, Gobbi, ect.) vs. Young Opera Singers (Netrebko, Georghiu, Alagna...). Somewhere, there are opera fans sadly shaking their heads at how the standards have fallen since the days of the great Francesco Tamagno (1850 - 1905).
* Don't mention that you prefer Music/GreenDay's work after 2000 to their work before that--the sides will continue to be divided long after you've disappeared. Expect terms like "emo" and "real music" to be used. Also, don't mention Pinhead Gunpowder or Foxboro Hot Tubs. Just don't.
* Pretty much any star singer/rapper/band who used to perform "underground" that shoots up to popularity suddenly will have a BrokenBase of people who think they are fake (often these are the most vocal) to the new fans who think they are better now and everyone else has a NostalgiaFilter.
* Whether or not Music/{{Eminem}}'s success is mostly due to talent, or because he's a [[ButNotTooBlack white rapper]].
* Another example of "vocalist wars" is Music/EscapeTheFate. Their Youtube videos can very quickly devolve into a massive flame war between the "Team Ronnie Radke" and "Team Craig Mabbitt" factions. Even though [[FanDumb both parties have clearly moved on]], Radke with his own band, and EscapeTheFate with Mabbitt.
* Don't mention the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Music/{{Rush}} fans in particular will take it real bad.
* Speaking of Music/{{Rush}}... Mentioning AynRand online is almost always a surefire way to start a FlameWar worthy of its own name, but mention her influence on the writing of "2112" to Rush fans and watch the Internet cringe in horror.
* Music/{{Blink182}}. You have the people who don't like Enema of the State and anything put out after, the people who don't like the direction of the self-titled album and Neighborhoods, AVA and +44 flame wars, the people who really really really hate Tom, his sideprojects and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his beanie hat]], the people who really really really hate Mark and HIS sideprojects, the people who complain about the lack of crude humor on recent albums despite it still [[RefugeInVulgarity the fuel]] on which their live on-stage banter runs on, the people who think that they're only in it for [[MoneyDearBoy the money]], the people who are still sour over the breakup despite them being back together and on friendly terms...the list goes on. The only band member to remain relatively unscathed in terms of reputation is Travis, but even then that's RELATIVE. Not that [[TricksterArchetype the band]] themselves cares what the BrokenBase thinks, however.
* Dare mention you think Music/RebeccaBlack's music is good, ''especially'' Music/{{Friday}}.
* Rhapsody of Fire v. Music/DragonForce. Better pray you live through it.
* Never mention Music/{{U2}}, especially not their work after 1997. Or else be prepared to find loads of hate comments attacking Bono accusing him on being a tax-evading, attention-hungry narcissist (most of which are utter BS) or people moaning about The Edge's effects-driven guitar work. It's simply cool and easy to hate them, sadly.
* Mentioning that you like Music/InsaneClownPosse or any other Creator/PsychopathicRecords artists anywhere on the internet will result in you being verbally crucified. Admitting to being a hardcore {{Juggalo}} and showing anything less than genius-level intellect to [[SubvertedTrope subvert]] [[FanDumb the expectations of detractors]] will net you ten times worse.
* Of course, Juggalos aren't above this either. Go onto an ICP video and make even the slightest mention of not really liking the song and expect several hundred badly-spelled replies threatening to [[DisproportionateRetribution cut your head off and burn your house down]]. On one hand, Juggalos have to deal with a lot of hate coming from all directions, so defensiveness and being a bit quick to retaliate is expected, but ''wow!''
* Say, you posted up a song parody you got off a filesharing site? Cool. Better double check if it's really by Music/WeirdAlYankovic, though, lest you be crucified by vitriolic comments all saying that it's not really Al. [[http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/notbyal.html The "Not Al Page" is your friend]].
* Finally, the real question. Which music format is better: Vinyl, CD, MP3, Spotify, etc.?
* Any time there's a top 10/20/50/100 greatest singer/band/group/song/rapper/album/musician or whatever list, expect nuclear fallout over who made the list, or didn't make the list, and the order of the list. Especially if the top 10 of the list contain a lot of crossover pop artists.
* Do you want an easy way to ensure that you will get tarred, feathered and thrown out of town? Admit to liking Music/{{Nickelback}} on any music - nay - ''any'' internet forum. We dare you.
* Which Asian music genre is better: [[JapanesePopMusic J-Pop]] or [[KoreanPopMusic K-Pop]]? Don't answer unless you want to be torn to shreds. Heck, just mention you like ''either'' (or both) on any forum. Be prepared to be burned by flames stating "Stop being a weeaboo and listen to real music!".
* Saying Music/{{Radiohead}}'s OK Computer is overrated will make dozens of members on sites call you an idiot. Saying it is worse than The Bends will make a large site argument. Comparing OK Computer to Kid A is more acceptable. Now say you don't like OK Computer, and duck your head.
* Music/FleetwoodMac: Peter Green/Jeremy Spencer/Danny Kirwan vs. Lindsey Buckingham/Stevie Nicks. Also, Buckingham vs. Nicks, though this was more driven by 1980's-era critics who preferred Buckingham to Nicks, and would make slighting comments about the latter in print, and has faded away since the two have rejoined Fleetwood Mac and become close friends again (to the extent that Buckingham did extensive work on Nicks' latest album).
* With the latest wave of boybands, there has been multiple fandom wars, mainly Music/OneDirection vs whichever other boyband, special mention to the ''Series/BigTimeRush'' fandom. Say you like 1D to BTR fans, be prepared to run fast and run far. Say you like BTR to 1D fans however, you won't even be in tact by the end of the sentence.
* Never imply that Music/LinkinPark ever was metal. You won't be able to deflect the hate comments for days.
* Whether Music/{{Deftones}} is a NuMetal band or not. Even today, over a decade after their emergence, the debate rages on among metal fans.
* Another common thing that sets metal fans off: Don't EVER say anything bad about the first Music/{{Slayer}} album (''Show No Mercy''), and don't even insinuate that you like anything about their post-''Seasons in the Abyss'' output.
* Want to ''really'' grind the gears of Music/{{Sugababes}} fans? Go on a pop music forum (''Popjustice'' is ripe for this) and say that you at least somewhat liked the fourth lineup change consisting of Heidi Range, Amelle Berrabah and Jade Ewen. Oh, and make sure you have a heavy-duty shield with you.
* Find a group of Music/{{Versailles}} fans. Suggest that you think Masashi is a better bassist than Jasmine You (or vice versa). Watch as the fangroup implodes upon itself. You don't even have to express any preferences yourself--just imply that there are people who ''have'' a preference, and people will automatically assume that you're on the side they're not.
* Want to trigger negative complaints from {{Coldplay}} fans? "'''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Princess. Of. China.]]'''" These three words will set off a bitch-fight for pages. It's either too mainstream for Coldplay fans, too weird for Rihanna fans, or it's blasted for not using exclusively Chinese elements in its video. Those who actually like the song and think the video is well-done are quickly drowned out and accused of not knowing "real" music.

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* Generally speaking, don't talk about music in polite company, with the ''possible'' exception of when you're at a concert. Everyone hates what you listen to, this goes double if you're a big fan of a DeadHorseGenre.
* If someone asks to peek at your iPod to see what you listen to DO NOT LET THEM. There's a 75% that they will either love a band you don't listen to much or they will love a band that you think is rubbish.
** Having an iPod in the first place is enough to trigger a backdraft.
* Go on to any music video of a song that ''Series/{{Glee}}'' covered and say they sang it better. Then run and don't look back. Or better yet, go on to the ''Glee'' cover video and say either it sucked and/or the original version was better. Then sit back and watch the flames erupt.
* James Blake: Is he really dubstep? In general it seems that if someone is a big fan, then yes, how could he not? If not, then how is that even close?
* What ''is'' dubstep for that matter? The dark, atmospheric early works of artists like Skream? Or is it the more wobbly bass-centric tracks of Skrillex and his ilk? Seemingly '''any''' dubstep video or discussion has already devolved, or is mere hours away from devolving, into a perpetual flame war between the two camps.
* Electronic music vs. music performed live. Enjoy your planet-melting heat.
** {{Vocaloid}} [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI seems to have combined the two.]]
* Go on to any Music/{{Rammstein}} music video and call them Nazis. Then run for your life.
* Same goes for KMFDM. Best put on your running shoes beforehand.
* Music/NineInchNails vs. every other industrial band, or better yet, whether NIN is actually Industrial
* Whether ''anything'' is "real industrial". Expect it to boil down to Throbbing Gristle and Laibach fans against everyone else.
* {{Auto-Tune}} is a big source of contention amongst groups that pride musical talent or groups who like individuality or groups who like individuality with auto tune/vocoder, or groups who like no-limitation in musical growth, groups who''hate'' musical growth, or perfection, or just the plain useage of the term Auto-Tune over Vocoder winds people up.
* Loads of endless heated debates are within fans of the same band or solo artist regarding their 'best' and 'worst' material. Usually it comes in the following types: old material vs new material, hits vs no-hits, electric vs acoustic, analogue vs digital, this composer vs that composer, before or after 'x' member entered or left, etc. More often than not, asking what your favourite song is by said band or artist can be a dangerous topic. Some will insist that there is only one correct answer to that question (the fan favourite, SignatureSong or not), while others will insist that choosing the signature song (fan favourite or not) is a sign of being a {{noob}}. Others still will say that you're not a true fan if you can easily choose a single favourite.
* Pick a video of "IstanbulNotConstantinople" by Music/TheyMightBeGiants on Website/YouTube. Any one. Guaranteed there'll be a huge Greece vs. Turkey flame war in the comments section.
* Similar video example: videos for Music/IronMaiden's "Alexander the Great" attract flames between Greeks, Macedons and people from Balkanic nations.
* Similar video example: Find a video of a piece or opera fragment by Richard Wagner. Chances are there will be an ongoing argument concerning his antisemitism, the fact that {{Hitler}} [[HitlerAteSugar was a big fan]], and whether these two points are related, relevant to the music, or covered by statute of limitations.
* In general, a song which has been covered/parodied by somebody else will have flames on both pages over which is better. Music/JohnnyCash's cover of "[[NineInchNails Hurt]]" being an exception.
* The EurovisionSongContest. Oh boy, ''the Eurovision contest''. Every year brings a renewed lot of "Losing Country vs. Winning Country" debates, some countries even have "Last year's commentators vs. This year's" internal flamewars. Of course, those are nothing compared to the politically loaded debates, such as 2008's "Did eastern european countries vote for Russia because they're afraid of VladimirPutin?" And let's not forget "Armenia/Azerbaijan/Turkey/Israel isn't European!"
* Claiming that/asking if the band Music/DragonForce speeds up or otherwise modifies their songs.
* Let the newbie wandering into any forum discussions of Music/{{Nightwish}}, or any discussion on Music/{{Nightwish}}, be forewarned now, Tarja vs. Annete, bad idea. One singular mentioning could result in the equivalent of a 50 megaton nuke going off.
* There is a similar reaction in regards to discussion on any of Sirenia's three female singers.
* "Music/{{Metallica}} v. Music/{{Megadeth}}" threads turn into legendary flame wars.
** Actually, that's become old news. As of late, however, Megadeth has become a touchy subject thanks to Dave's increasingly deranged and idiotic behavior and the ever-increasing drop in quality of their music.
* Same goes for "Old" Metallica versus "New Metallica," for that matter.
* [[Music/TupacShakur 2Pac]] vs. [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]].
* Music/TheWho vs. Music/LedZeppelin
* Music/TheCure vs. Music/TheSmiths
* Music/{{Jay-Z}} vs. [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]]
* Music/{{Nas}} vs. Music/{{Jay-Z}}
* Music/FaithNoMore vs. Music/RedHotChiliPeppers
* Music/NewEdition vs. Music/NewKidsOnTheBlock, when you bring it up in the right circles.
* Pick a Velvet Revolver video on Website/YouTube. The comments page will, without exception, degenerate into a "'Old' Music/GunsNRoses vs. Stone Temple Pilots" or "Axl Rose vs. Scott Weiland" flame war.
* And if it doesn't become Axl vs. Scott, it will become Velvet Revolver vs. "New" Guns n Roses (or some other Slash vs. Axl war)
* Ask for an opinion on any {{post-grunge}} band. Watch sparks fly.
* Or ask a group of grunge fans whether Stone Temple Pilots are grunge or post-grunge. It will get ugly.
* HipHop gets this a lot; just ask whether hip-hop is better now or was much better back in the day, and watch the net get set ablaze. It's mostly pre-2000's rap fans vs post-[[TheNineties 90's]] rap fans. Of course, both of these groups are diverse as far as age and gender goes, but it doesn't stop people from calling the other group of fans "old fogies with a NostalgiaFilter" or "little suburban girls who don't know anything about hip-hop."
* Claim that Music/LilWayne is the Greatest Rapper Alive. Watch all the Music/{{Eminem}} / Music/{{Jay-Z}} / Music/{{Nas}} / [[Music/TupacShakur 2pac]] / [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Biggie]] / hell every non-Lil' Wayne fans jump you at once.
* Worse yet if you claim Music/SouljaBoy is talented. Given the new song of his about anime makes it clear that he doesn't actually watch anime, but that's besides the point.
* Internet forums get especially hot over any "rock versus rap" discussion brought forward. These discussions tend to skew predominantly one way or another (depending on the forum), but the flame still kicks up pretty high. You can find those in the "Rock Covers of 'Lollipop' and 'Crank Dat'" aisle.
* Whether in real life or on the internet, bring up what band is and isn't goth amongst a group of goths and you're bound to see some angry debates. Mentioning Music/MarilynManson is probably the quickest way to stir anger, but battles over Music/JoyDivision (whether they were just influential to the genre or actually part of it), Siouxsie and the Banshees, Music/TheCure, Music/DepecheMode, Music/{{Ministry}}, and numerous others are all fairly common.
* Also entire flamewars over modern "Cybergoth" music like VNV Nation, Blutengel, and so on.
* On the subject of goth music, which lead singer of Christian Death was better -- Rozz or Valor?
** For that matter, was Gitane Demone an integral part of the band whose presence was the only thing keeping it from sliding into absolute mediocrity after Rozz's departure, or a pretty face and nothing more?
* [[JapanesePopMusic Johnny's]] vs [[KoreanPopMusic SM Entertainment]]. Or just Kpop vs Jpop {{boy band}}s in general.
* Though the flames have died down in the last two or three years, a heated internet debate of the past surrounded j-rockers Music/MaliceMizer: Who was the best lead singer, Tetsu, Music/{{Gackt}}, or Klaha?
* Music/XJapan. Here's only a few of the ways to start a fight to rival any fight the band was ever involved in:
** Discussing anything related to sexuality and/or gender of the band members. Mentioning EveryoneIsBi on a forum composed mostly of straight fans can light off a flamewar, as can insisting that any given member is [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial 100 percent totally straight dammit!!!]] in other venues.
** Who's the better guitarist, hide or Pata or some of those old guys from 1985? Who's the better bassist, Taiji or Heath? Pages of flames later, you'll be regretting you ever got into it.
** Discussing anything related to SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll. Even if you DID see Taiji with cocaine smeared all over his shirt at a live. Even if that pic of Yoshiki passed out has rounded the Internet and come back again. This is just Not To Be Discussed.
** How did hide die? Was it an accident, suicide, or murder? Forget detectives, this debate needs firefighters.
** Yoshiki in general. Fans vs. FanHater is the usual.
** Yoshiki/hide or Yoshiki/Toshi? How about "run for your life"?
* Find ANY Sabaton clip on youtube. Watch several countries rage across the comments, more often then not atleast one not even mentioned in the song. For example, how did we get from a music video about WWI to a Hitler vs Mao flamewar?
* [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chalga Chalga.]] Essentially, influential folk genres (like traditional Roma and Turkish music) infused with dance pop and the bitches-bling-beefs attitude. Depending on your point of view it's either a recipe for a fun night at the clubs or THE END OF BULGARIAN CULTURE AS WE KNOW IT. Even if the music's not good, it's pretty depressing seeing the [[DudeNotFunny classist and racist arguments against it.]]
** It's more of a generalized Balkan thing - Romanians have [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manele manele]] (whose {{Hatedom}} is larger and more vocal ''and'' it's a country where anti-Roma prejudice is still pretty widespread, so expect more UnfortunateImplications given that the genre arguably got codified in the poorer, Roma-majority neighbourhoods of Bucharest), Serbians have [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbofolk turbo-folk]] (less UnfortunateImplications arguments because Serbia doesn't have as large a Roma minority, and if anything the way turbo-folk flourished and was promoted heavily during the wars in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo in the 1990s can be interesting from a socio-political perspective) and Greece arguably has laiko and skyladiko.
* Music/MichaelJackson, after his death in 2009, has become something of a hot-button topic... specially MistakenForPedophile [[TooSoon jokes]].
* If you go to any fan-made [[Music/HelloProject Morning Musume]] forum and say something positive about Koharu Kusumi, there's a small chance you'll make it out alive.
* Go on youtube to any white guy covering a blues song. It has already erupted into people arguing whether the old version is better than the new one and whether the new one's artists are racist.
* Make a [[TooSoon joke]] about Music/JohnLennon's death. Then run. Quickly.
* Try to find a Website/YouTube video of Yusuf Islam (the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens) that hasn't devolved into a massive wank over religion.
* ''And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda'' tends to end up with people getting into arguments about Winston Churchill's involvement in that particular battle the song's about.
* ''40:1'' commentary ends up pretty much flame wars over Poland's politics in WWII.
* Rock vs. pop is another genre fight, especially post-1995 pop.
* On related news, ''Rolling Stone'''s declaring Music/BritneySpears a 'Queen of Rock' really struck a nerve amongst rock fans.
* Anything involving Music/TheJonasBrothers and/or Series/HannahMontana / Music/MileyCyrus, anything at all, will summon tween fangirls who think they are the best thing since sliced bread, and fans of other kinds of music who think thes "musicians" who owe all of their success to Disney. This isn't a flame war so much as a massive explosion.
* This isn't even safe among the tween fangirls. Just try to say you like Miley on a forum for Music/SelenaGomez / Music/DemiLovato fans.
* To a lesser extent, [[http://connect.taylorswift.com/forum/thread/48648/My_friend_thinks Miley hate appears]] on Music/TaylorSwift forums.
* Because of an incident on {{Twitter}} when Music/DemiLovato criticized a ''Series/ShakeItUp'' joke for mocking anorexia, then observed in her tweets how skinnier and skinnier Creator/DisneyChannel actresses have gotten (a comment which unintentionally drew ire from ZendayaColeman's dad, who claimed that Zendaya took the comments personally), and SIU actor DavisCleveland making comments defending his show and his co-stars while criticizing Demi, there is a FandomRivalry between Demi's fans and Davis'/''Shake It Up'''s. It can get...nasty. (Demi has since apologized, but that has not seemed to stop the FandomRivalry.)
* Find any Music/{{Tool}} video on Youtube. The argument will always go something along the lines of "Tool sucks", "Maynard is a God", "I don't understand the song", "Only REAL fans understand the song", "Anyone claiming to understand the song is a wanker", "[[Music/NineInchNails NIN]] is better".
** Just mention casual Tool fandom to a hardcore Tool fan and vice versa. One side is apparently comprised of basement-dwelling neckbeards who only pause from devouring bags of Cheetos if it's to post poorly-written, obnoxiously pretentious drivel on Tool-related discussions, while the other side is apparently a bunch of pathetic stoners and fratboy douchebags who listen to it in a "dude, this shit is, like, so fuckin' deep, man" spirit while taking in absolutely nothing of value from the music or lyrics. It can get ''extremely'' ugly, and Maynard's open hatred of the hardcore fandom only adds to it.
* Talk about major record labels. Especially the one whose acronym is identical to a large section of the TV Tropes page.
* "Hi! My favorite band is (insert band name here). Let's talk about them!"
* If you're ever unwise enough to go on a jazz or saxophone forum and mention Kenny G, make sure you take good cover afterwards. There will be fatalities.
* It's hard to be a Music/KanyeWest fan nowadays. Ever since he changed his style from rap to auto tune singing, compared himself to Jesus, claimed that GeorgeBush doesn't care about black people, and just recently, interrupted Music/TaylorSwift during her 2009 VMA Award speech, you can't safely admit liking him without somebody bringing these things up. It doesn't help that he is known as "[[BarackObama Jackass]]" or "[[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Gay Fish]]" either.
* Like the above hip-hop example, the contemporary R&B/Soul genre gets this as well, regarding who can and can't sing, what measures a soul singer, and what time period was the best. If you ever dare say Music/{{Rihanna}}, Ciara, Nicole Scherzinger, Kerri Hillson, Music/{{Beyonce}}, etc. are great singers, prepare to get hit with a megaton nuke and watch people say they can't sing and only made it because of their looks. Male stars get this as well.
* A large number of R&B fans think MusicIsPolitics is in play every time a ButNotTooBlack {{Stripperific}} female singer whose talent lies more in dancing and looking good than actually singing becomes popular. Unfairly or not, these people like to point at Rihanna, Cassie, Ashanti, Beyonce, Kristina Debarge (though this has more to do with whether or not she's screwing up the Debarge name), Keri Hilson, Nicole Scherzinger, Ciara, Christina Millian, Mya, and even Aaliyah ([[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead until she died]]) as examples of "industry whores". Of course, these artists still have fans and they will come out in droves to defend them. Detractors of the aforementioned singers will accuse them and the industry of impeding the success of more "pure", and "mature" R&B/Soul singers like Conya Doss, Amel Lareaux, Heather Headly, India.Arie, Angie Stone, Corin Bailey Rae, Vivian Green, Jill Scott, and so on.
* Go to any video featuring a drum solo by any popular drummer, especially Buddy Rich. Cue arguments over who is best, usually mentioning Travis Barker of Blink182 (either he's the best or just overrated) specifically.
* When discussing Music/{{Nirvana}}:
** Do not mention Music/KurtCobain's death. If it's too late for that, avoid mentioning [[YokoOhNo Courtney Love]] or anything related to her at all costs. If you aren't careful, you will end up with a "Was it suicide or did she bump him off?" flame war on your hands, complete with dodgy old rumours being dragged up and gratuitous Courtney Love bashing, going on and on and on whilst the original discussion about Nirvana's music lies forgotten. For examples of this, read the discussions under any, meaning ANY, Youtube video related to Nirvana or Hole.
** Likewise, never ''never'' '''NEVER''' mention Music/WeirdAlYankovic's parody "Smells Like Nirvana" around fans of..well...Nirvana. Ironic, considering that Kurt Cobain himself actually ''liked'' the parody song.
** Ditto with Music/ToriAmos' cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which Kurt also enjoyed.
* Mention liking any version of "Don't Rain on My Parade" not done by Music/BarbraStreisand. Then run away. Quickly.[[note]]The exceptions to this seem to be Rachel Berry's CrowningMomentOfAwesome during the season finale of ''Series/{{Glee}}'' and Music/{{Japan}}'s cover.[[/note]]
* Compare Music/TaylorSwift, Music/CarrieUnderwood or Kellie Pickler to each other in a thread related to any of the three. Fans of any individual artist will ''viciously'' state that "their" artist is superior to the other two.
* A newbie to {{Vocaloid}} watches a Miku video. Suddenly, he comments, "What anime is this?" That poor guy.
** Let's not get into the flame wars over new voices, or shipping.
** The never-ending argument on whether Rin and Len are twins, mirror images, or even related at all?
** People who aren't fans that see a video of a live concert always remark in a way that will cause an eruption of hate.
** Kids react to Hatsune Miku. Both the video and discussions about it...
** Heck, even mentioning Hatsune Miku's short hair version is better than her original one...
*** Or maybe just mentioning that Hatsune Miku is better than (insert other Vocaloid here)...
* Believe it or not, the fans of pop/opera singer Music/JoshGroban have a massive tendency to explode into Holy Wars. Want to start a FlameWar that'll last for a good month? Waltz onto those forums and announce that you think he's cute when he's tipsy, or that you liked that Blender quote where he admitted to making booty calls. Saying that he's anything less than 100% angelic all the time WILL cause a mass of crazies to bring out the torches and pitchforks, no matter how much the poor guy protests that he's normal. And God help you if you even hint at a certain picture of him taken in New Orleans. Or compare him unfavorably to Clay Aiken. Sit back and enjoy your popcorn.
* Metal fans are known for this. If it's not intense FandomRivalry between fans of different subgenres, it's arguing over what's "true" metal and what's not.
* Woe be to the person who brings up any NuMetal or {{Metalcore}} band on a metal forum. Perhaps the one thing that all metalheads agree on is that neither of those two genres are real metal. Also counts for 80's HardRock a.k.a. "Glam Metal". Or Grunge. However, you might be able to get away with calling Music/{{Soundgarden}} or Music/AliceInChains metal, as the [[SeriousBusiness experts]] at Metal-Archives have decreed that [[http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=753 both]] [[http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5649 bands]] are indeed metal.
* Music/{{Kesha}} vs. Music/{{Uffie}} can be pretty intense, especially on Youtube comments on their videos, particularily the latter. Uffie is often claimed to have [[OlderThanTheyThink done it first]] and be of higher quality musically, whilst Ke$ha is often claimed to be more popular.
* As a result of this trope, Music/KingCrimson discussion list Elephant Talk had an ''internet fire door'' operated by the moderator. Interdicted subjects included just about any position on the relative merits of band members past and present, comparisons with any other prog rock group, bad encounters with Robert Fripp, essays into music theory, the Crimso tune ''Larks Tongues in Aspic'' being used as background music in ''Emanuelle'', and just about anything that strays off topic.
* Deathcore. Say something positive about it on ANY metal forum and expect to be insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about [=TapouT=], gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) off alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.
* Arch Enemy:
** Mention the name Johan Liiva in a Gossow-era Arch Enemy video (or vice versa). Sparks will fly.
** Not only is Johan's voice polarizing to the fanbase, but his departure (let's not even get into whether he quit or was fired) and the band's hiring of Angela Gossow as his replacement marked a drastic change in direction for the band (more emphasis on the "melodic" part of MelodicDeathMetal, ''far'' less on the "death" part). Many old fans of the band [[MisBlamed go as far as to blame Angela]] for the change in direction ([[FanDumb never mid the fact that Michael Amott has always done pretty much all of the songwriting anyway]]).
** Even in the most civil of discussions on the Liiva vs. Gossow subject, tread waters carefully. Without exception, someone will always play the gender card, and things will get ugly fast.
* Mention Music/LadyGaga on any internet forum. Cue arguments consisting of "She's awesome/is trolling the music industry/is creative" vs. "She's a fake, prepackaged annoyance/is unoriginal/is pretentious/her fans are elitist." Nine times out of ten, she will be compared to Music/DavidBowie. Cue arguing over which of the two is better.
* Don't you DARE Say Lady Gaga, Music/ChristinaAguilera or Music/BritneySpears sucks on ONTD if you're in the mood for a stan war....
* And really don't mention Lady Gaga around fans of electroclash, particularly RobotsInDisguise or you'll hear about how she did nothing but steal their genre, make it suck musically, and make it mainstream. It doesn't help that music critic Simon Reynolds came up with the idea, giving it some degree of "legitimacy"
* When the tragic backstory of Music/EvelynEvelyn was first posted online by Music/AmandaPalmer and JasonWebley, backdraft happened on several levels. Some people didn't like the fact that disabled characters were portrayed as being socially awkward. And some people didn't like the fact that Amanda and Jason played victims of sexual abuse, even though Amanda herself is a rape survivor.
* In fact, just mention Amanda Palmer at all if you want to start a flamewar. She has a Hatedom that rivals her fandom in dedication.
* On any emo forum, bring up what music is emo. The site will then divide itself into four camps, the young under 18 kids who like Good Charlotte, Music/PanicAtTheDisco and other stereotypical bands, the people declaring screamo to be the only legitimate form of emo, the people who listen to a blend of both aforementioned groups music, and the older forum members declaring all new emo sucks and recommending virtually nothing released past 2002. All four groups will gladly rip each other apart without ever arriving at an answer.
* Heck, call any rock band that that tackles negative romantic themes and stuff that isn't sunshine and rainbows emo and see the sparks fly.
* Music in other languages is ''not'' free of this. Go to Website/YouTube, search for any Silvio Rodriguez or Pablo Milanes video, and bask in the neverending heat coming from all the wank between people who think Silvio and Pablo are mere puppets of the Cuban government and others who believe that Emilio and Gloria Estefan are sell-outs who want to kill Cuban music.
* Mention Mark Russell in the presence of any Music/TomLehrer fan--or, even worse, confuse the two--and you'd better set your affairs in order and make peace with your deity.
* Did Music/ToriAmos copy Music/KateBush, and worse, who is better?
* Did [insert eccentric female singer-songwriter] copy Music/KateBush?
* Anything related to religious music, especially ChristianRock.
* If you say you like the Music/ScissorSisters' version of '[[Music/PinkFloyd Comfortably Numb]]' you will be repeatedly told that you are stupid.
* There are still some heated discussions over whether Music/{{Genesis}} was any good after Music/PeterGabriel left. Or after Steve Hackett left. Or after Music/PhilCollins "left" - i.e., was "Calling All Stations" redeemable, and if not, was it Ray Wilson's fault or not?
* Make a thread about [[Music/{{Burzum}} Varg Vikernes]] on any metal forum. Given how belligerent black metal fans tend to be, things will get ugly. Varg is either an immensely talented musical genius, or a vile racist whose music is overshadowed by his persona. Doesn't help that his most vocal fans tend to be either teenagers who like him ''due to'' the [[EvilIsCool church burnings and Euronymous's murder]] or Neo-Nazis.
* Mentioning any of the following in a progressive rock forum: Neo-Prog, Prog Metal (especially Music/DreamTheater), whether any given band is prog or not, any 70s prog rock band's 80s or later material, Prog vs. Punk, whether any particular widely liked/hated album is overrated/underrated.
** Mentioning Dream Theater around metal fans is even touchier: they're either geniuses who managed to adopt the sound and spirit of Yes and Genesis into a metal format, or pretentious assholes mistaking their instruments for their dicks who can't write songs to save their lives. Expect tons of Fates Warning, Queensryche, and Symphony X fans to say some ''very'' unkind things.
* Synthesizers and whether they're "real instruments" or not.
* Most fans of Music/{{Ultravox}} are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].
* Whether a band counts as indie rock or not and what exactly the definition of indie rock is.
* Similarly, Punk Rock. There is a fair amount of intersect between the two backdrafts.
* Try admitting that you like Music/MyChemicalRomance online.
* Another point of contention within the HipHop community is whether or not the state of current Hip-Hop is natural progression or is it [[AstroTurf astro turfed]] thanks to ExecutiveMeddling and due to the fact that MusicIsPolitics?
** Gets more complicated if you believe the mainstream media and white America is the one that's driving hip-hop now instead of the inner city streets, blacks and latinos. Some even believing young urban blacks are being marginalized within their ''own'' culture.
* Just don't mention Music/JustinBieber at all: other people already have, and either they compared him and his fans to something negative, or fangirls did and everyone else started a flame war. The InternetBackdraft on him is so extreme that he is mentioned on '''every single music video''' on Youtube. Every. Single. One. Usually in a "[number of dislike votes] are Justin Bieber fans", occasionally something like "I don't want the Bieber fans ever discovering this music, they aren't worthy to listen to it". He gets even more hate than Vevo ads.
* Go practically ''anywhere'' and announce that Music/TheBeatles were terrible. And prepare to be torn limb from limb. If you amend this to 'overrated', you just might survive. ''Might''. Hell, even just stating that the band's music is simply not your personal preference (but you still respect their role in rock music) is quite risky.
* To a lesser extent, any discussion about whether Music/TheBeatles, Music/TheRollingStones or Music/TheWho were the better 1960s BritishInvasion band will get very interesting, very quickly.
* The age-old debate over what is more important in music: the lyrics or the melody?
* Go on and ask whether or not "Virtual Bands" (IE: TheGorillaz, AlvinAndTheChipmunks, etc.) count as legitimate musicians or if their technical non-existence is taking away attention from "Real Musicians".
* Mention anywhere on the internet that you enjoy Music/{{Creed}} or Music/{{Nickelback}}.
* Callas or Tebaldi? The war among opera fans is still going strong even though both ladies are dead. Also Ye Golden Age of Opera (Callas, Tebaldi, Gobbi, ect.) vs. Young Opera Singers (Netrebko, Georghiu, Alagna...). Somewhere, there are opera fans sadly shaking their heads at how the standards have fallen since the days of the great Francesco Tamagno (1850 - 1905).
* Don't mention that you prefer Music/GreenDay's work after 2000 to their work before that--the sides will continue to be divided long after you've disappeared. Expect terms like "emo" and "real music" to be used. Also, don't mention Pinhead Gunpowder or Foxboro Hot Tubs. Just don't.
* Pretty much any star singer/rapper/band who used to perform "underground" that shoots up to popularity suddenly will have a BrokenBase of people who think they are fake (often these are the most vocal) to the new fans who think they are better now and everyone else has a NostalgiaFilter.
* Whether or not Music/{{Eminem}}'s success is mostly due to talent, or because he's a [[ButNotTooBlack white rapper]].
* Another example of "vocalist wars" is Music/EscapeTheFate. Their Youtube videos can very quickly devolve into a massive flame war between the "Team Ronnie Radke" and "Team Craig Mabbitt" factions. Even though [[FanDumb both parties have clearly moved on]], Radke with his own band, and EscapeTheFate with Mabbitt.
* Don't mention the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Music/{{Rush}} fans in particular will take it real bad.
* Speaking of Music/{{Rush}}... Mentioning AynRand online is almost always a surefire way to start a FlameWar worthy of its own name, but mention her influence on the writing of "2112" to Rush fans and watch the Internet cringe in horror.
* Music/{{Blink182}}. You have the people who don't like Enema of the State and anything put out after, the people who don't like the direction of the self-titled album and Neighborhoods, AVA and +44 flame wars, the people who really really really hate Tom, his sideprojects and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his beanie hat]], the people who really really really hate Mark and HIS sideprojects, the people who complain about the lack of crude humor on recent albums despite it still [[RefugeInVulgarity the fuel]] on which their live on-stage banter runs on, the people who think that they're only in it for [[MoneyDearBoy the money]], the people who are still sour over the breakup despite them being back together and on friendly terms...the list goes on. The only band member to remain relatively unscathed in terms of reputation is Travis, but even then that's RELATIVE. Not that [[TricksterArchetype the band]] themselves cares what the BrokenBase thinks, however.
* Dare mention you think Music/RebeccaBlack's music is good, ''especially'' Music/{{Friday}}.
* Rhapsody of Fire v. Music/DragonForce. Better pray you live through it.
* Never mention Music/{{U2}}, especially not their work after 1997. Or else be prepared to find loads of hate comments attacking Bono accusing him on being a tax-evading, attention-hungry narcissist (most of which are utter BS) or people moaning about The Edge's effects-driven guitar work. It's simply cool and easy to hate them, sadly.
* Mentioning that you like Music/InsaneClownPosse or any other Creator/PsychopathicRecords artists anywhere on the internet will result in you being verbally crucified. Admitting to being a hardcore {{Juggalo}} and showing anything less than genius-level intellect to [[SubvertedTrope subvert]] [[FanDumb the expectations of detractors]] will net you ten times worse.
* Of course, Juggalos aren't above this either. Go onto an ICP video and make even the slightest mention of not really liking the song and expect several hundred badly-spelled replies threatening to [[DisproportionateRetribution cut your head off and burn your house down]]. On one hand, Juggalos have to deal with a lot of hate coming from all directions, so defensiveness and being a bit quick to retaliate is expected, but ''wow!''
* Say, you posted up a song parody you got off a filesharing site? Cool. Better double check if it's really by Music/WeirdAlYankovic, though, lest you be crucified by vitriolic comments all saying that it's not really Al. [[http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/notbyal.html The "Not Al Page" is your friend]].
* Finally, the real question. Which music format is better: Vinyl, CD, MP3, Spotify, etc.?
* Any time there's a top 10/20/50/100 greatest singer/band/group/song/rapper/album/musician or whatever list, expect nuclear fallout over who made the list, or didn't make the list, and the order of the list. Especially if the top 10 of the list contain a lot of crossover pop artists.
* Do you want an easy way to ensure that you will get tarred, feathered and thrown out of town? Admit to liking Music/{{Nickelback}} on any music - nay - ''any'' internet forum. We dare you.
* Which Asian music genre is better: [[JapanesePopMusic J-Pop]] or [[KoreanPopMusic K-Pop]]? Don't answer unless you want to be torn to shreds. Heck, just mention you like ''either'' (or both) on any forum. Be prepared to be burned by flames stating "Stop being a weeaboo and listen to real music!".
* Saying Music/{{Radiohead}}'s OK Computer is overrated will make dozens of members on sites call you an idiot. Saying it is worse than The Bends will make a large site argument. Comparing OK Computer to Kid A is more acceptable. Now say you don't like OK Computer, and duck your head.
* Music/FleetwoodMac: Peter Green/Jeremy Spencer/Danny Kirwan vs. Lindsey Buckingham/Stevie Nicks. Also, Buckingham vs. Nicks, though this was more driven by 1980's-era critics who preferred Buckingham to Nicks, and would make slighting comments about the latter in print, and has faded away since the two have rejoined Fleetwood Mac and become close friends again (to the extent that Buckingham did extensive work on Nicks' latest album).
* With the latest wave of boybands, there has been multiple fandom wars, mainly Music/OneDirection vs whichever other boyband, special mention to the ''Series/BigTimeRush'' fandom. Say you like 1D to BTR fans, be prepared to run fast and run far. Say you like BTR to 1D fans however, you won't even be in tact by the end of the sentence.
* Never imply that Music/LinkinPark ever was metal. You won't be able to deflect the hate comments for days.
* Whether Music/{{Deftones}} is a NuMetal band or not. Even today, over a decade after their emergence, the debate rages on among metal fans.
* Another common thing that sets metal fans off: Don't EVER say anything bad about the first Music/{{Slayer}} album (''Show No Mercy''), and don't even insinuate that you like anything about their post-''Seasons in the Abyss'' output.
* Want to ''really'' grind the gears of Music/{{Sugababes}} fans? Go on a pop music forum (''Popjustice'' is ripe for this) and say that you at least somewhat liked the fourth lineup change consisting of Heidi Range, Amelle Berrabah and Jade Ewen. Oh, and make sure you have a heavy-duty shield with you.
* Find a group of Music/{{Versailles}} fans. Suggest that you think Masashi is a better bassist than Jasmine You (or vice versa). Watch as the fangroup implodes upon itself. You don't even have to express any preferences yourself--just imply that there are people who ''have'' a preference, and people will automatically assume that you're on the side they're not.
* Want to trigger negative complaints from {{Coldplay}} fans? "'''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Princess. Of. China.]]'''" These three words will set off a bitch-fight for pages. It's either too mainstream for Coldplay fans, too weird for Rihanna fans, or it's blasted for not using exclusively Chinese elements in its video. Those who actually like the song and think the video is well-done are quickly drowned out and accused of not knowing "real" music.
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* Speaking of Music/{{Rush}}... Mentioning AynRand online is almost aalways a surefire way to start a FlameWar worthy of its own name, but mention her influence on the writing of "2112" to Rush fans and watch the Internet cringe in horror.

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* Speaking of Music/{{Rush}}... Mentioning AynRand online is almost aalways always a surefire way to start a FlameWar worthy of its own name, but mention her influence on the writing of "2112" to Rush fans and watch the Internet cringe in horror.
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* Most fans of Ultravox are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].

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* Most fans of Ultravox Music/{{Ultravox}} are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].


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* Speaking of Music/{{Rush}}... Mentioning AynRand online is almost aalways a surefire way to start a FlameWar worthy of its own name, but mention her influence on the writing of "2112" to Rush fans and watch the Internet cringe in horror.
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* Most fans of Music/Ultravox are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].

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* Most fans of Music/Ultravox Ultravox are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].
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* Most fans of Music/Ultravox are even-tempered, but the John Foxx vs. Midge Ure debates can still incense any YouTube video of the band. Oh, and [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial they did not release]] [[DisContinuity any albums in]] TheNineties. And finally, don't mention [[FanNickname the Dreaded Pink Thing]].
7th Oct '12 1:38:58 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** Mentioning Dream Theater around metal fans is even touchier: they're either geniuses who managed to adopt the sound and spirit of Yes and Genesis into a metal format, or pretentious assholes mistaking their instruments for their dicks who can't write songs to save their lives? Expect tons of Fates Warning, Queensryche, and Symphony X fans to say some ''very'' unkind things.

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** Mentioning Dream Theater around metal fans is even touchier: they're either geniuses who managed to adopt the sound and spirit of Yes and Genesis into a metal format, or pretentious assholes mistaking their instruments for their dicks who can't write songs to save their lives? lives. Expect tons of Fates Warning, Queensryche, and Symphony X fans to say some ''very'' unkind things.
7th Oct '12 1:36:21 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* Deathcore. Say something positive about it on ANY metal forum and expect to be insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about [=TapouT=], gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.

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* Deathcore. Say something positive about it on ANY metal forum and expect to be insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about [=TapouT=], gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) off alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.
7th Oct '12 1:30:37 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* Deathcore. Mention it on ANY metal forum and expect to get insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about TapouT, gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.

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* Deathcore. Mention Say something positive about it on ANY metal forum and expect to get be insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about TapouT, [=TapouT=], gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.
7th Oct '12 1:26:56 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* Music/NineInchNails vs. every other industrial band, or better yet, whether NIN is actually Industrial.
* Whether ''anything'' is "real industrial". Expect it to boil down to Throbbing Gristle fans against everyone else.

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* Music/NineInchNails vs. every other industrial band, or better yet, whether NIN is actually Industrial.
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* Whether ''anything'' is "real industrial". Expect it to boil down to Throbbing Gristle and Laibach fans against everyone else.



** Actually, that's become old news. As of late, however, Megadeth has become a touchy subject thanks to Dave's increasingly deranged and idiotic behavior and the ever-increasing drop in quality of their music.



** For that matter, was Gitane Demone an integral part of the band whose presence was the only thing keeping it from sliding into absolute mediocrity after Rozz's departure, or a pretty face and nothing more?



** Just mention casual Tool fandom to a hardcore Tool fan and vice versa. One side is apparently comprised of basement-dwelling neckbeards who only pause from devouring bags of Cheetos if it's to post poorly-written, obnoxiously pretentious drivel on Tool-related discussions, while the other side is apparently a bunch of pathetic stoners and fratboy douchebags who listen to it in a "dude, this shit is, like, so fuckin' deep, man" spirit while taking in absolutely nothing of value from the music or lyrics. It can get ''extremely'' ugly, and Maynard's open hatred of the hardcore fandom only adds to it.



* Deathcore. Mention it on ANY metal forum and expect to get insulted, berated, and accused of trolling, as well as having jokes about TapouT, gauges, and basketball jerseys cracked. Also expect to be called a wigger with incredible frequency. To add even more fuel to the fire, insult slam and see how much more vicious the responses get. The hatred comes from three main root causes: the perceived (rightly or not) extremely braindead, obnoxious, and creatively bankrupt nature of the music, the even more obnoxious behavior of many of the fans and musicians in the genre (just read about the Rose Funeral UNO incident, for starters), and the tendency of many of the bands to wind up sharing bills with far better acts, which forces people to have to sit through them and frequently results in a large portion of the crowd leaving after the deathcore acts that they showed up for finish their sets, which pisses fans (who see it as disrespectful to the main acts) and bands (who rely heavily on merch sales and are frequently one step away from broke, thus resulting in their seeing them as lost revenue) alike. There aren't too many things that metal fans will consistently agree on, but a burning hatred for deathcore is one of them.



** Mentioning Dream Theater around metal fans is even touchier: they're either geniuses who managed to adopt the sound and spirit of Yes and Genesis into a metal format, or pretentious assholes mistaking their instruments for their dicks who can't write songs to save their lives? Expect tons of Fates Warning, Queensryche, and Symphony X fans to say some ''very'' unkind things.



* Never say Music/LinkinPark used to be metal. You won't be able to deflect the hate comments for days.

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* Never say imply that Music/LinkinPark used to be ever was metal. You won't be able to deflect the hate comments for days.



* Another common thing that sets metal fans off: Don't EVER admit that you don't like Music/{{Slayer}}. You will pretty much lose your cred as a metalhead.

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* Another common thing that sets metal fans off: Don't EVER admit that you say anything bad about the first Music/{{Slayer}} album (''Show No Mercy''), and don't even insinuate that you like Music/{{Slayer}}. You will pretty much lose your cred as a metalhead.anything about their post-''Seasons in the Abyss'' output.
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* Want to trigger negative complaints from {{Coldplay}} fans? "'''[[PuncuatedForEmphasis Princess. Of. China.]]'''" These three words will set off a bitch-fight for pages. It's either too mainstream for Coldplay fans, too weird for Rihanna fans, or it's blasted for not using exclusively Chinese elements in its video. Those who actually like the song and think the video is well-done are quickly drowned out and accused of not knowing "real" music.

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* Want to trigger negative complaints from {{Coldplay}} fans? "'''[[PuncuatedForEmphasis "'''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Princess. Of. China.]]'''" These three words will set off a bitch-fight for pages. It's either too mainstream for Coldplay fans, too weird for Rihanna fans, or it's blasted for not using exclusively Chinese elements in its video. Those who actually like the song and think the video is well-done are quickly drowned out and accused of not knowing "real" music.
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