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10th Oct '12 3:32:41 PM Ironeye
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* '''''Literature/TheBible.''''' That is all. ** Really, any religious book. * If you ever happen to wander into a JaneAusten fan community, never, ever mention Fanny Price. However polite and proper and old ladylike you might think Austen fans are, they can get as crazy as anyone else when the subject of her comes up. ** And whatever you do, don't bring up the ITV specials. Especially "Mansfield Park". ** It's also prudent not to state strong opinions about Marianne Dashwood, particularly if you have thoughts on whether she should have ended up with Willoughby or Colonel Brandon. * The next time you find yourself in a situation that necessitates causing a punch-up at a fantasy convention, go into a crowded room and yell "The [[LordOfTheRings Balrog]] has (no) wings!" Some fatalities are likely. ** If such a discussion ''does'' start, you can try to defuse it by changing the question about the Balrog to [[http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/slippers.htm if it had fluffy slippers]], as it [[{{Narm}} fully did in Bakshi's animated version]]. ** Even people who agree about Balrog wings or the lack thereof can sometimes find themselves at each other's throats over the issue of whether or not Balrogs can fly. * The flame wars over the merits of the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein have been raging since before the World Wide Web was invented. ** "Sircar's Corollary to GodwinsLaw" states that if Heinlein, or especially ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'', is brought up in a conversation, ThoseWackyNazis will be mentioned within three days. * Here's a neat trick. Walk into a ''Theatre/LesMiserables'' forum and throw a metaphorical dart. 75% percent of the time you'll hit one of the following arguments: Cosette vs. Eponine, Frances Ruffelle vs. Lea Salonga, or Michael Maguire vs. Anthony Warlow. * ''Literature/HarryPotter'': ** Severus Snape: [[TheWoobie poor bullied]] TragicHero with a HiddenHeartOfGold, or [[FantasticRacism racist]] [[SchoolyardBullyAllGrownUp child-abusing]] JerkAss with a completely MisaimedFandom? Have fun with that. Note that there is still wanking several years after the series finished. ** Say how much Harry Potter sucks to Twilight. You'll get 3rd degree burns. ** Ginny, just plain and simple. Bring her up and you'll hear that she and Harry belonged together, or that she's just a fan girl who doesn't love the real Harry Potter. *** Same for Ron. Hermione too. *** Wonder whether or not Ginny is a slut for having three boyfriends in two years and kissing one of them in a deserted corridor. It will not be pretty. ** Dumbledore, a manipulative bastard or not? *** Bonus points for using "the Dursleys," "Severus Snape" and "Tom Riddle" all in one sentence. ** Say [[Film/HarryPotter the movies]] are better than the books and that the first two films were too long and faithful. Declare that SteveKloves and/or AlfonsoCuaron are brilliant. ** There's a whole artform of not saying either "Philosopher's Stone" or "Sorcerer's Stone" because they'll both start {{Flame War}}s full of MisplacedNationalism. The first installment of the series must always be referred to as "the first book" or "the first movie". If it's already well-established that you're talking about ''Harry Potter'' installments, it can be innocently abbreviated as "''Stone''". If you have to refer to the object, say "the stone of the title" or "the titular stone". It's the only way, my friend. ** Say almost anything from [[http://www.youtube.ng/watch?v=OFo2B-uBClg this video]]. ** Talk about the moderately [[BaseBreaker base-breaking]] epilogue and final climax of ''DeathlyHallows''. * Similar to the ''Twilight'' effect, mentioning R.A. Salvatore's [[TheLegendOfDrizzt Drizzt]] series on just about any ''Forgotten Realms'' forum is going to set the forum on fire, haters and lovers will clash over and over again, even the seasoned forum-goers seem to ignore the obvious flamebait. * ''ASongOfIceAndFire'': "Hey, what's Martin's deal? It's been years since ''A Feast for Crows''. When is he going to write this book? Is he lazy? Does he hate fans?" Oh, the flames. The flames. ** Also, expressing any strong opinion regarding Catelyn Stark is generally like to spark a flame war between those who see her as a truly tragic [[TheWoobie woobie]] and those who think she is a self-pitying moron. ** Cersei's [[spoiler:Walk of Shame]] in ''A Dance with Dragons''. Opinions are divided on whether her punishment was too lenient, too harsh, or just plain sexist. ** Don your flameproof suit, then say that Darkstar is a totally awesome badass character you want to see more of. ** Run for your life if you happen to mention that you think Daario is pretty badass and perfect for Daenerys. ** Mention that you like the POV chapters from any Greyjoy character that is not Theon or Asha and find them interesting. * Mention ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' '''''anywhere on the internet'''''. Just mention it, and watch as fans and anti-fans tear themselves apart over it. ** Among fans, any character interpretation, any ship, any scene, ANY DETAIL. There will be a strong enough anti-anything faction to start a good-sized war. Most common: Edward's abusive, Jacob's forced kiss was in no way sexual harrassment, Bella's the most anti-feminist character ever... and you can't mention BreakingDawn in any capacity without starting some shit. ** [[http://tsdcv3.proboards.com/index.cgi This is the freakin motherload of stories from this trope.]] But which ones are true "attacks" of the rabid Twitards? Which ones are inventions coming from rabid Twihaters [[WoundedGazelleGambit who want to play victim]]? (Hint: [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1230130.html#cutid1 More than one]]) Which were submitted by trolls for the lulz? Ask about them, and get ready to be stoned by both fans and haters. ** A funner and simpler way is to just say that Twilight sucks, plain and simple. Especially on any site like [[GaiaOnline gaia.]] *** Bonus points if you say either TheHungerGames or HarryPotter is better. ** Edward or Jacob? * Same goes for the ''InheritanceCycle''. * The ''WheelOfTime'' series also kicks these off regularly, with backdrafts being caused by fans arguing over which is the best book or character, or by someone innocently asking who killed a minor character in Book 5 (an unimportant mystery that has nevertheless probably generated more discussion than the rest of the series put together), or if Jordan deliberately doubled the length of the series to make money or if it was instead a valid artistic decision. Probably the most devastating backdrafts can be caused by claiming that the male-female relationships in the books can be construed as unhealthy, juvenile, unrealistic, not particularly funny or somewhat sexist, which can generate counter-arguments from some fans of epic proportions. The choice of writer to finish the series after Jordan's death also generated considerable heat. * Ask if ''SecondApocalypse'' is sexist. * And another thing... there is now ''[[Literature/HitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy And Another Thing]]''. * Anywhere on the Internet, make a topic about Creator/AynRand. Positive or negative. Doesn't matter. The sheer volume of FanDumb and HateDumb guarantees a nice flamewar. * Mention the ''Literature/{{Gor}}'' series...well...''anywhere''. Bring popcorn. * ''Literature/WarriorCats''. Bring up FantasticRacism, use the phrase "MarySue," and utter the name "Ashfur." Bonus points if you can get all three in the same post. Also, [[UnpleasableFanbase is it]] TheyChangedItNowItSucks or ItsTheSameNowItSucks? For that matter, bring up the UnpleasableFanbase itself. * In-universe example: in the short story [[http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/08/wikihistory "Wikihistory"]], by Desmond Warzel, time-traveler forum poster "[=SaucyAussie=]" seems concerned that discussion of certain sensitive historical events carries the risk of InternetBackdraft: -->''At 17:12:52, [=SaucyAussie=] wrote:'' -->[=AsianAvenger=], you're not rehashing that whole Nagasaki issue again, are you? We just got everyone calmed down from last time. * [[Literature/TheIliad Are Achilles and Patroclus having sex?]] For bonus points, this debate has been raging '''since ancient Athens'''. * Similar to the Theater example, go ahead and bring up Gelphie or Fiyerba in any [[TheWickedYears Wicked]] forum. For the most part the fandom is fairly polite about it's shipping (and both of them are technically [[WordOfGay canon]]) but brought up in the wrong space it can get...ugly. * Things can get ugly in some ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' forums if you mention actually liking Cassie. * ''Literature/TheHungerGames''. Particularly the third book. * JamesJoyce, or any author known for [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible "experimental"]] literature, including ThomasPynchon and DavidFosterWallace. * Treat yourself to a crate of wine/beer/other drink of choice. Make sure you have plenty of food to hand, preferably ready-cooked. Then go to a HisDarkMaterials forum and suggest that Will and Lyra actually had sex (or didn't). Watch the fun run and run! * Terry Pratchett's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. Pratchett fans are generally a laid-back easy-going lot, but a surefire way for them to get riled is if a Harry Potter fan drops by and accuses Pratchett of talentlessly plagiarising the creation of the Blessed Joanna Katherine. As Pratchett's fans point out, Unseen University predates Hogwarts by fourteen years, and in any case is drawn from the same mediaeval folklore JKR must have consulted when creating Hogwarts. The young wizard Ponder Stibbons might be drawn in a suspiciously similar way to Harry Potter, but his visual depiction predates HP by a good two years and if plagiarism has hapened, it would therefore have required a time machine.... ** Similarly, opening a debate as to whether Sir Terry's earliest books are the best and/or stating the later ones have lost the spark and are just an author, bored with his creation, going through the motions....
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* '''''Literature/TheBible.''''' That is all. ** Really, any religious book. * If you ever happen to wander into a JaneAusten fan community, never, ever mention Fanny Price. However polite and proper and old ladylike you might think Austen fans are, they can get as crazy as anyone else when the subject of her comes up. ** And whatever you do, don't bring up the ITV specials. Especially "Mansfield Park". ** It's also prudent not to state strong opinions about Marianne Dashwood, particularly if you have thoughts on whether she should have ended up with Willoughby or Colonel Brandon. * The next time you find yourself in a situation that necessitates causing a punch-up at a fantasy convention, go into a crowded room and yell "The [[LordOfTheRings Balrog]] has (no) wings!" Some fatalities are likely. ** If such a discussion ''does'' start, you can try to defuse it by changing the question about the Balrog to [[http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/slippers.htm if it had fluffy slippers]], as it [[{{Narm}} fully did in Bakshi's animated version]]. ** Even people who agree about Balrog wings or the lack thereof can sometimes find themselves at each other's throats over the issue of whether or not Balrogs can fly. * The flame wars over the merits of the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein have been raging since before the World Wide Web was invented. ** "Sircar's Corollary to GodwinsLaw" states that if Heinlein, or especially ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'', is brought up in a conversation, ThoseWackyNazis will be mentioned within three days. * Here's a neat trick. Walk into a ''Theatre/LesMiserables'' forum and throw a metaphorical dart. 75% percent of the time you'll hit one of the following arguments: Cosette vs. Eponine, Frances Ruffelle vs. Lea Salonga, or Michael Maguire vs. Anthony Warlow. * ''Literature/HarryPotter'': ** Severus Snape: [[TheWoobie poor bullied]] TragicHero with a HiddenHeartOfGold, or [[FantasticRacism racist]] [[SchoolyardBullyAllGrownUp child-abusing]] JerkAss with a completely MisaimedFandom? Have fun with that. Note that there is still wanking several years after the series finished. ** Say how much Harry Potter sucks to Twilight. You'll get 3rd degree burns. ** Ginny, just plain and simple. Bring her up and you'll hear that she and Harry belonged together, or that she's just a fan girl who doesn't love the real Harry Potter. *** Same for Ron. Hermione too. *** Wonder whether or not Ginny is a slut for having three boyfriends in two years and kissing one of them in a deserted corridor. It will not be pretty. ** Dumbledore, a manipulative bastard or not? *** Bonus points for using "the Dursleys," "Severus Snape" and "Tom Riddle" all in one sentence. ** Say [[Film/HarryPotter the movies]] are better than the books and that the first two films were too long and faithful. Declare that SteveKloves and/or AlfonsoCuaron are brilliant. ** There's a whole artform of not saying either "Philosopher's Stone" or "Sorcerer's Stone" because they'll both start {{Flame War}}s full of MisplacedNationalism. The first installment of the series must always be referred to as "the first book" or "the first movie". If it's already well-established that you're talking about ''Harry Potter'' installments, it can be innocently abbreviated as "''Stone''". If you have to refer to the object, say "the stone of the title" or "the titular stone". It's the only way, my friend. ** Say almost anything from [[http://www.youtube.ng/watch?v=OFo2B-uBClg this video]]. ** Talk about the moderately [[BaseBreaker base-breaking]] epilogue and final climax of ''DeathlyHallows''. * Similar to the ''Twilight'' effect, mentioning R.A. Salvatore's [[TheLegendOfDrizzt Drizzt]] series on just about any ''Forgotten Realms'' forum is going to set the forum on fire, haters and lovers will clash over and over again, even the seasoned forum-goers seem to ignore the obvious flamebait. * ''ASongOfIceAndFire'': "Hey, what's Martin's deal? It's been years since ''A Feast for Crows''. When is he going to write this book? Is he lazy? Does he hate fans?" Oh, the flames. The flames. ** Also, expressing any strong opinion regarding Catelyn Stark is generally like to spark a flame war between those who see her as a truly tragic [[TheWoobie woobie]] and those who think she is a self-pitying moron. ** Cersei's [[spoiler:Walk of Shame]] in ''A Dance with Dragons''. Opinions are divided on whether her punishment was too lenient, too harsh, or just plain sexist. ** Don your flameproof suit, then say that Darkstar is a totally awesome badass character you want to see more of. ** Run for your life if you happen to mention that you think Daario is pretty badass and perfect for Daenerys. ** Mention that you like the POV chapters from any Greyjoy character that is not Theon or Asha and find them interesting. * Mention ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' '''''anywhere on the internet'''''. Just mention it, and watch as fans and anti-fans tear themselves apart over it. ** Among fans, any character interpretation, any ship, any scene, ANY DETAIL. There will be a strong enough anti-anything faction to start a good-sized war. Most common: Edward's abusive, Jacob's forced kiss was in no way sexual harrassment, Bella's the most anti-feminist character ever... and you can't mention BreakingDawn in any capacity without starting some shit. ** [[http://tsdcv3.proboards.com/index.cgi This is the freakin motherload of stories from this trope.]] But which ones are true "attacks" of the rabid Twitards? Which ones are inventions coming from rabid Twihaters [[WoundedGazelleGambit who want to play victim]]? (Hint: [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1230130.html#cutid1 More than one]]) Which were submitted by trolls for the lulz? Ask about them, and get ready to be stoned by both fans and haters. ** A funner and simpler way is to just say that Twilight sucks, plain and simple. Especially on any site like [[GaiaOnline gaia.]] *** Bonus points if you say either TheHungerGames or HarryPotter is better. ** Edward or Jacob? * Same goes for the ''InheritanceCycle''. * The ''WheelOfTime'' series also kicks these off regularly, with backdrafts being caused by fans arguing over which is the best book or character, or by someone innocently asking who killed a minor character in Book 5 (an unimportant mystery that has nevertheless probably generated more discussion than the rest of the series put together), or if Jordan deliberately doubled the length of the series to make money or if it was instead a valid artistic decision. Probably the most devastating backdrafts can be caused by claiming that the male-female relationships in the books can be construed as unhealthy, juvenile, unrealistic, not particularly funny or somewhat sexist, which can generate counter-arguments from some fans of epic proportions. The choice of writer to finish the series after Jordan's death also generated considerable heat. * Ask if ''SecondApocalypse'' is sexist. * And another thing... there is now ''[[Literature/HitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy And Another Thing]]''. * Anywhere on the Internet, make a topic about Creator/AynRand. Positive or negative. Doesn't matter. The sheer volume of FanDumb and HateDumb guarantees a nice flamewar. * Mention the ''Literature/{{Gor}}'' series...well...''anywhere''. Bring popcorn. * ''Literature/WarriorCats''. Bring up FantasticRacism, use the phrase "MarySue," and utter the name "Ashfur." Bonus points if you can get all three in the same post. Also, [[UnpleasableFanbase is it]] TheyChangedItNowItSucks or ItsTheSameNowItSucks? For that matter, bring up the UnpleasableFanbase itself. * In-universe example: in the short story [[http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/08/wikihistory "Wikihistory"]], by Desmond Warzel, time-traveler forum poster "[=SaucyAussie=]" seems concerned that discussion of certain sensitive historical events carries the risk of InternetBackdraft: -->''At 17:12:52, [=SaucyAussie=] wrote:'' -->[=AsianAvenger=], you're not rehashing that whole Nagasaki issue again, are you? We just got everyone calmed down from last time. * [[Literature/TheIliad Are Achilles and Patroclus having sex?]] For bonus points, this debate has been raging '''since ancient Athens'''. * Similar to the Theater example, go ahead and bring up Gelphie or Fiyerba in any [[TheWickedYears Wicked]] forum. For the most part the fandom is fairly polite about it's shipping (and both of them are technically [[WordOfGay canon]]) but brought up in the wrong space it can get...ugly. * Things can get ugly in some ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' forums if you mention actually liking Cassie. * ''Literature/TheHungerGames''. Particularly the third book. * JamesJoyce, or any author known for [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible "experimental"]] literature, including ThomasPynchon and DavidFosterWallace. * Treat yourself to a crate of wine/beer/other drink of choice. Make sure you have plenty of food to hand, preferably ready-cooked. Then go to a HisDarkMaterials forum and suggest that Will and Lyra actually had sex (or didn't). Watch the fun run and run! * Terry Pratchett's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. Pratchett fans are generally a laid-back easy-going lot, but a surefire way for them to get riled is if a Harry Potter fan drops by and accuses Pratchett of talentlessly plagiarising the creation of the Blessed Joanna Katherine. As Pratchett's fans point out, Unseen University predates Hogwarts by fourteen years, and in any case is drawn from the same mediaeval folklore JKR must have consulted when creating Hogwarts. The young wizard Ponder Stibbons might be drawn in a suspiciously similar way to Harry Potter, but his visual depiction predates HP by a good two years and if plagiarism has hapened, it would therefore have required a time machine.... ** Similarly, opening a debate as to whether Sir Terry's earliest books are the best and/or stating the later ones have lost the spark and are just an author, bored with his creation, going through the motions....[[redirect:InternetBackdraft]]
10th Sep '12 11:52:04 AM UltimateJasper
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Virtually everyone has accused Harry Potter of ripping them off.
** Never, ever EVER '''''EVER''''' say Neville Longbottom or Luna Lovegood are anything less than uberamazingawesome. God help you if you outright don't like them.

* Try telling HP fans that JKR ripped off The Books of Magic
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* Try telling HP fans that JKR ripped off The Books ** Talk about the moderately [[BaseBreaker base-breaking]] epilogue and final climax of Magic''DeathlyHallows''.

* Literature/TheHungerGames. Particularly the third book.
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* Literature/TheHungerGames.''Literature/TheHungerGames''. Particularly the third book.
18th Aug '12 3:36:10 PM Austin
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* Similar to the ''Twilight'' effect, mentioning R.A. Salvatore's Drizzt series on just about any ''Forgotten Realms'' forum is going to set the forum on fire, haters and lovers will clash over and over again, even the seasoned forum-goers seem to ignore the obvious flamebait.
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* Similar to the ''Twilight'' effect, mentioning R.A. Salvatore's Drizzt [[TheLegendOfDrizzt Drizzt]] series on just about any ''Forgotten Realms'' forum is going to set the forum on fire, haters and lovers will clash over and over again, even the seasoned forum-goers seem to ignore the obvious flamebait.
20th Jul '12 5:02:41 AM FELH2
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* '''''TheBible.''''' That is all.
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* '''''TheBible.'''''Literature/TheBible.''''' That is all.

* Terry Pratchett's ''{{Discworld}}''. Pratchett fans are generally a laid-back easy-going lot, but a surefire way for them to get riled is if a Harry Potter fan drops by and accuses Pratchett of talentlessly plagiarising the creation of the Blessed Joanna Katherine. As Pratchett's fans point out, Unseen University predates Hogwarts by fourteen years, and in any case is drawn from the same mediaeval folklore JKR must have consulted when creating Hogwarts. The young wizard Ponder Stibbons might be drawn in a suspiciously similar way to Harry Potter, but his visual depiction predates HP by a good two years and if plagiarism has hapened, it would therefore have required a time machine....
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* Terry Pratchett's ''{{Discworld}}''.''Literature/{{Discworld}}''. Pratchett fans are generally a laid-back easy-going lot, but a surefire way for them to get riled is if a Harry Potter fan drops by and accuses Pratchett of talentlessly plagiarising the creation of the Blessed Joanna Katherine. As Pratchett's fans point out, Unseen University predates Hogwarts by fourteen years, and in any case is drawn from the same mediaeval folklore JKR must have consulted when creating Hogwarts. The young wizard Ponder Stibbons might be drawn in a suspiciously similar way to Harry Potter, but his visual depiction predates HP by a good two years and if plagiarism has hapened, it would therefore have required a time machine....
7th Jul '12 6:08:33 AM FELH2
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* Mention the ''{{Gor}}'' series...well...''anywhere''. Bring popcorn.
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* Mention the ''{{Gor}}'' ''Literature/{{Gor}}'' series...well...''anywhere''. Bring popcorn.
4th Jul '12 12:53:39 AM FELH2
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* '''''[[TheBible The. Bible.]]''''' That is all.
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* '''''[[TheBible The. Bible.]]''''' '''''TheBible.''''' That is all.

* The flame wars over the merits of the works of [[RobertAHeinlein Robert A. Heinlein]] have been raging since before the World Wide Web was invented.
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* The flame wars over the merits of the works of [[RobertAHeinlein Robert A. Heinlein]] Creator/RobertAHeinlein have been raging since before the World Wide Web was invented.

** Don your flameproof suit, then say that Darkstar is a totally awesome badass character you want to see more of. ** Run for your life if you happen to mention that you think Daario is pretty badass and perfect for Daenerys.
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** Don your flameproof suit, then say that Darkstar is a totally awesome badass character you want to see more of. of. ** Run for your life if you happen to mention that you think Daario is pretty badass and perfect for Daenerys.
22nd Jun '12 12:25:24 AM StarNeptune
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** Cersei's [[spoiler:Walk of Shame]] in ''A Dance with Dragons''. Opinions are divided on whether her punishment was too lenient, too harsh, or just plain sexist. ** Don your flameproof suit, then say that Darkstar is a totally awesome badass character you want to see more of. ** Run for your life if you happen to mention that you think Daario is pretty badass and perfect for Daenerys. ** Mention that you like the POV chapters from any Greyjoy character that is not Theon or Asha and find them interesting.
18th Jun '12 6:55:46 PM naruhinaluver15
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*** Bonus points if you say either TheHungerGames or HarryPotter is better
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*** Bonus points if you say either TheHungerGames or HarryPotter is betterbetter.
18th Jun '12 6:55:30 PM naruhinaluver15
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*** Bonus points if you say either TheHungerGames or HarryPotter is better
18th Jun '12 3:34:07 PM deadpool3982
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* Try telling HP fans that JKR ripped off The Books of Magic
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