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* ''JamesBond''. Which of the (to date) six actors portraying the world's favorite spy is best, and whether or not any given actor is good. There was a ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' episode where three nerds argue over Bond: two pick the usual populist choices of SeanConnery and Roger Moore, while the third nerd finally erupts in frustration that less-liked actor TimothyDalton would kick both their asses. This came to particular prominence in the international media due to the casting of DanielCraig.
* The Oscars are always going to cause epic flame wars, no matter what films win, lose, or don't get nominated in the first place. Some notable examples
** 1998: ''ShakespeareInLove'' winning Best Picture over ''SavingPrivateRyan'', not helped by the backlash against the Weinstein's massive Oscar campaign for the former
** 2006: Nothing makes old wounds ache like bringing up ''Film/{{Crash}}'' winning in 2006 over ''BrokebackMountain''. Not helped by the author of the book BrokebackMountain is based on claiming this was due to homophobia
** 2007: ''TheGoldenCompass'' winning Best Visual Effects over ''Film/{{Transformers}}''.
** 2009: ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' (and to a lesser extent ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'') not receiving Best Picture nods (while the much less well received OscarBait ''Literature/TheReader'' did) caused enough backlash to inspire the Academy to expand the Best Picture category from five to ten films. Still pisses off a lot of people though
** And of course there are those who argue the converse: that increasing the number of possible nominees either cheapens the award or divides votes to the extent where lesser movies win over much better ones
** 2010: ''Avatar'' losing Best Picture to ''TheHurtLocker'' is going to be FlameBait for years to come. Revolutionary, breath-taking epic snubbed in favor of obscure, angsty, [[WarIsHell war-is-hell]] critical darling just because of the SciFiGhetto / AnimationAgeGhetto / TrueArtIsNotPopular and people hatin' on JamesCameron? Or bloated, derivative, overhyped, overrated spectacle getting a deserved slapdown in favor of honest, relevant filmmaking? Or did neither of them deserve it and [[QuentinTarantino Quentin]] [[IngloriousBasterds Tarantino]]/{{Pixar}} [[Film/{{Up}} Studios]] get screwed again?
** 2011 with major FandomRivalry between ''TheSocialNetwork'' and ''TheKingsSpeech'' fans (Innovative, relevant and edgy film about youth culture versus prime OscarBait? Or well-acted, emotional piece against superficially clever film [[TooSoon lacking historical distance from its subject?]]) with input from the ''ToyStory3'', ''Film/{{Inception}}'' and ''TrueGrit'' fans. Further inflamed by ChristopherNolan not even receiving a nomination for Best Director, joining Tarantino in the "Just what the hell do these directors have to ''do'' to get Academy recognition!?!" club.
** 2012: MerylStreep vs. Viola Davis. Was Meryl long overdue? Was Viola robbed? And then bring race issues into it, and prepare to watch the Internet go up in toasty, toasty flames.
*** ''[[{{Film/HarryPotter}} Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2]]'', which is quickly becoming among the most infamous snubs in the show's history.
** This trope is OlderThanYouThink, predating the internet as we know it. ''ForrestGump'' beat ''Film/PulpFiction'' and ''TheShawshankRedemption'' in 1994 (and ''JurassicPark'' wasn't even nominated), ''DancesWithWolves'' beat {{Goodfellas}} in 1990, ''OrdinaryPeople'' won instead of ''RagingBull'' in 1980, ''KramerVsKramer'' won over ''Film/ApocalypseNow'' in 1979, ''MyFairLady'' beat out ''Dr. Strangelove'' in 1964, and so on and so on. Not to mention the dozens of brilliant films that were never nominated.
** Another source of irritation is the way the Academy treats the major awards like lifetime achievement awards at times. Thus, Marlon Brando wins Best Actor for ''Film/TheGodfather'', when the award should have gone to Al Pacino (who inexplicably was nominated for Supporting Actor that year). Pacino eventually won for ''Scent of a Woman'', even though arguably it was the weakest performance out of those nominated in 1993.
** Let's just say this is why AwardSnub no longer allows examples on that page.
** Speaking of Academy and Oscar awards, tell anyone that you think ''{{Juno}}'' was a great movie and deserved all the awards it won. You will be flamed and mutilated endlessly.
** Until MartinScorsese won an Oscar, a common trope on film nerd boards was "I guess the Academy thinks [[INSERT WINNER HERE]] is better than Scorsese!", whether or not he was even nominated that year. It got old fast.
* As follows from the NotUsingTheZWord article, there have been some pretty nerdy debates on whether the Infection in ''Film/TwentyEightDaysLater'' is zombie-like in nature, whether the movie "counted" as a zombie film and the various ethical debates within the series. The "WAI NO ZOMBEES??" debate is the main one, unfortunately, as no one apparently cares about what the plot was for -- just, why the hell aren't those zombies lusting for human flesh and lurching appropriately?
* Go to any sci-fi related forum and claim that Harrison Ford's Deckard in ''Film/BladeRunner'' is/isn't a replicant.
* Wanna start a FlameWar within the ''{{Godzilla}}'' fandom? It's easy. Just mention that the American remake of ''Film/{{Godzilla}}'' is even slightly good.
** For added flames, mention that you liked ''Godzilla's Revenge''.
** Likewise, just casually ask whether or not Film/KingKong, {{Gamera}}, or, more recently, the {{Cloverfield}} monster could beat Godzilla. Then, sit back, relax, and enjoy the oncoming flames.
** Never ask where [[TheScrappy Minya]] came from (or Junior or even Godzooky for that matter). Just, don't. Too many Godzilla fans have been decimated in the resulting flame wars.
** [[ViewerGenderConfusion "Is Destoroyah a boy or a girl?"]] Cue flamewar in 3... 2... 1...
** Mention that you like any of the following monsters- [[TheScrappy Minya, Godzooky, Gabara, or Jet Jaguar.]] The fandom will tear you to shreds.
** Ask whether or not the [[DarkerAndEdgier more serious and darker]] Godzilla films are better than the [[LighterAndSofter goofier and cheesy]] Godzilla films. The flames will commence immediately.
** Likewise, ask which era is best. Showa, Heisei, or Millennium?
** Ishiro Honda. Either he's one of the greatest Japanese film directors who created brilliant monster movies, or he's ridiculously over-hyped and takes the attention away from underappreciated Godzilla film directors. No two fans will fully agree.
** Go onto a Godzilla fan forum. Post a negative review of ''Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack''. Sit back, and enjoy the flames.
** Should Godzilla fight classic foes like Mothra, King Ghidorah, and Mechagodzilla? Or, should he fight more original monsters like Biollante, Orga, and Destroyah? The fandom has been at each other's throats for ''years'', and it just keeps going on whenever some poor soul asks this eternal-struggle causing question.
* Which GeorgeRomero film is the best zombie movie? For extra fun, what is the symbolism of each movie, if any?
* Unless you want to start a massive flame war with Serbian internet goers, you probably shouldn't even mention Angelina Jolie's directorial debut ''InTheLandOfBloodAndHoney''. Check out [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBU8CqU0dg the trailer's]] comments for more examples than you could shake a stick at.
* Go to any ''{{Batman}}''/movie forum/ Website/YouTube video and say you prefer the TimBurton 1989 ''Film/{{Batman}}'' or for that matter any Batman film from 1966 to ''Begins'' as opposed to ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' and watch the fanboys attack. Seriously, when they start claiming that HeathLedger actually became SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, mention how him terrorizing cities in real life had no press coverage.
** Same goes for saying that you prefer the new one to the old one.
** And just for laughs: Who is the better Batman?
** Who was the better Joker: Ledger, Nicholson, or Hamill?
** Better yet: Who was the best Bruce Wayne in addition to who was the best Batman?
** Recipe for complete destruction: "Joel Schumacher made WAAAAAAY better Batman movies than Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton put together."
* Back when the movie ''Film/{{Constantine}}'' was released, stating that the movie version was superior to [[ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} his comic counterpart]] would result in 10+ pages worth of rants and flames on forums.
* Do ''not'' mention the JoelSchumacher film on a ''[[ThePhantomOfTheOpera Phantom of the Opera]]'' forum. On one discussion forum, the pro-film and anti-film parties were segregated into separate threads to keep the peace. The drama has subsided somewhat due to the various factions [[BrokenBase quietly ignoring each other]], but still... enough lives have been lost already. Don't mention him near the ''{{Batman}}'' fans either... it's not pretty.
* In the "Phantom" vein, don't ever, ever, EVER, say that you like the Tim Burton ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'' movie around musical theater fans, or say that you like the original stage play around Johnny Depp fangirls. Either way, you're gonna get burned. Better yet, don't say that both versions have a lot of good points and you don't see what's so bad about one or the other.
* ''HighSchoolMusical''...pretty much for its mere existence.
* The latest ''Film/StarTrek'' movie generated these, even before opening. This has led to "Post this and get banned" notices at several bulletin boards.
** Give it anything but complete praise and you ''will'' get attacked... even if you write a ''positive'' review. On one major fansite [[EightPointEight a score of a 6]] provoked a huge amount of hate mail-a 6 was also given by the author to ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'', and that score is higher than the ones for ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock, Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' and ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''. But still, ''it wasn't a 10'', so it was bad.
** Among some groups saying anything positive about the film will get you attacked as a moron or someone who hates what ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is supposed to stand for.
* ''Franchise/StarWars'' there's lots of fun here. Some highlights:
** Try saying you liked any of the prequels (Episode I if you are brave).
** You ''might'' be able to get away with saying you liked ''RevengeOfTheSith''
** Try saying you hated any of the originals (Episode V if you have the nerve)
** ''ReturnOfTheJedi'' might be fair game in some circles though.
** Ask whether the Expanded Universe is worth consideration. Bonus points if you do so in [=TheForce.net=]'s lit forum
** State Book Series X is not as good as Book Series Y
** Opine that George Lucas is a Genius/Moron
** Question an author's interpretation/writing of a character (EU sources)
** Try to seriously ponder the moral culpability on the Jedi for accepting the clone army...
** ...or any other mention of Karen Traviss
** Mention General Grievous. Was he an AnticlimaxBoss? Was Lucas wrong for going against GenndyTartakovsky's version of the character in ''CloneWars''? Was Tartakovsky wrong for going against Lucas's original idea? Was Mace Windu Force-Crushing his chest enough justification for any perceived VillainDecay? You will not, however, be flamed for claiming the ''CloneWars'' incarnation was a BadAss, or that you liked the comic explaining his origin.
** Mention that you have refrained from watching any of them, and never intend to, and watch fans of any of the movies' jaws drop, and listen to them insist that you 'have to' watch the movies.
** Imply Curtis Saxton's data in the technical manuals is anything less than accurate or honest.
* Go into any horror movie forum and bring up the issue of whether ''EvilDead II'' is a remake, reboot, or sequel. No matter what side you support (or even if you're neutral), you're bound to stir up some flames.
* ''{{Goodfellas}}'' vs. ''Film/TheGodfather'', or the directorial skills of [[FrancisFordCoppola Coppola]] vs. [[MartinScorsese Scorsese]].
* With critics savagely blasting ''[[Film/{{Transformers}} Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', they appear to have designated themselves to be the recipients of extra strength flames (Most notably RogerEbert, [[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/07/i_am_a_brainiac.html who then responded to the hate mail from his initial review]] not unlike [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yatzhee]] and ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros. Brawl'', noted below). On top of that, there's [[UncleTomfoolery the Twins]], who made the medias implode over the perceived racism.
* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' movies. Quick ways to piss off entire forums: StephenieMeyer's "dream team" casting should have been put into place by Summit. RobertPattinson is the best/worst Edward ever. Same for KristenStewart and Bella. TaylorLautner should have been fired. Bryce Dallas Howard will make a FAR better Victoria. NewMoon was horrible. Twilight's special effects were awesome. And, easiest of all: there should be no sex in BreakingDawn, because won't anyone ThinkOfTheChildren?
* ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' is a good source of InternetBackdraft. Especially when you put them in [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny fights against]] [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} less]] [[{{Aliens}} idealistic]] [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquer worlds]]. Some will use this as an outlet to kill the Na'vi while others will view this with disgust
** Even better, the plot of the film alone is enough to start a flame war. Especially if you compare it to ''FernGully'', ''DancesWithWolves'', and/or ''{{Pocahontas}}''.
** Note, however, that this is usually not so much because of any disagreement about the validity of the comparisons (assuming the issue is even considered relevant) as the jokes being ''supremely'' stale. Even people who agreed, for instance, that the creators of ''Series/{{Lost}}'' were making it up as they went along got sick to death of jokes about this long before the series finale came.
** Also, expect WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender fans to complain about the title.
* "Is ''Shock Treatment'' a sequel or not?" The official answer: [[spoiler:yes and no. It does take place AFTER ''{{Rocky Horror| Picture Show}}'', but it's not a continuation of the first film]]. Try telling that to the fandom, though. Likewise, never, ''never'', '''NEVER''' mention that you find the AudienceParticipation in ''Rocky Horror'' to be pointless or a "silly gimmick that's the only thing keeping a mediocre cult film alive". You will be burned by flames.
* The remake of ''Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010'' and how Creator/RobertEnglund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting JackieEarleHaley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.
* To this very day there are flamewars over which parent in ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'' was actually sympathetic. It basically boils down to "Miranda was a total bitch and Daniel was just a guy who loved his kids and would do anything to be with them" vs. "Miranda was the only responsible person in the house and Daniel was a pathetic, whiny, slightly creepy jerk worthy of contempt". And it's not just limited to the film's IMDB board either. The film's entry in the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop page of this very wiki used to be full of {{natter}} from Team Miranda vs. Team Daniel.
* Want to start a FlameWar within ''TheLionKing'' fandom? [[TwoWords Four Words]]: KimbaTheWhiteLion.
** Heck, the same could be said if it's vice versa.
** Never, ''Never'', '''NEVER''' ask whether or not the sequels are any good. The answers will vary, to say the least.
** It's also not a good idea to ask whether or not ''TimonAndPumbaa'' is canon to how the titular meerkat and warthog duo met or if the midquel ''Lion King 1 1/2'' is.
** Nala. Especially when it involves the topic of her parentage (IE: Is Scar her father? Is Mufasa? Is it some random unknown lion?)
** The film in general. Is it Disney's greatest 2D animated film, ever? Is it a good film, but not worth all the hype? Or, is it just an [[HypeBacklash over-hyped animal musical]] that doesn't deserve all the attention/praise it gets? You're bound to get at least two or more people with ''very'' different opinions on the matter.
** Do '''NOT''', under any circumstances, mention that you dislike/hate Scar. Just...don't. Unless you want to be mauled by rabid fangirls.
** '''NEVER''' say that you dislike the film, or think it is a bad film. You will face an end worse than the above.
* Apparently, do not mention that you think JamesCameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time in front of ChristopherNolan fans. Or vice versa. Otherwise, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z75o-F6ja2I this happens]]. Yikes! In general, try to avoid dissing ChristopherNolan.
* ''ShutterIsland'': the debate over whether or not [[spoiler:Teddy is insane.]]
* Ask people on the Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses forums if they'll buy a DVD or go see a live screening of ''TheRoom'' now.
* Sites boycotting the film ''Film/TwentyOne'' popped up in the aftermath of the "whitewash casting" controversy, and there were many netizens hating on Jeff Ma, who had a cameo in the film but didn't push for an Asian to be cast as the lead.
* Whatever you do, don't mention how similar ''RepoTheGeneticOpera'' is to ''RepoMen'' in the presence of the fans of either. There will be blood.
* Just for giggles, post a video on Website/YouTube with the ever-popular song "[[TeamAmericaWorldPolice America! FUCK YEAH!]] and enjoy the political FlameWar that is to follow. Actually, post ANY video on ANY subject on Youtube, and be prepared for massive amounts of jingoism, xenophobia, and opinionated political grandstanding. Flame-wars about Obama's presidency can pop up on Spongebob Squarepants videos.
* ''Film/{{Inception}}'' versus ''{{Paprika}}'', and whether the former is just an unimaginative rip-off of the latter (not helped by Nolan admitting ''{{Paprika}}'' influenced ''Film/{{Inception}}'' a great deal)
** You could probably diffuse both parties by giving them a little push toward the PhilipKDick section of Amazon.
** And while we're on ''Film/{{Inception}}'', [[spoiler:Whether the top fell at the end or not. It got to the point where people contacted the costumer to see whether the kids at the end were wearing different clothes than the ones they wore throughout the rest of the film [[WordOfGod (They were)]], and to where Cracked.com had to moderate its own page on the film after ''[[SerialEscalation commenters started analyzing the spin of the top just to see if the lean exceeded the amount allowed by gravity]]''.]]
* ''EVERY TIME'' a new movie enters the IMDb Top 250. No matter what, there's always a complaint when someone brings it up.
* ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': Given the success and excitement surrounding the previous films, backdraft was pretty much inevitable, with arguments essentially boiling down to [[JumpingTheShark "Nolan has jumped the shark]]" vs [[MemeticMutation "In Nolan We Trust"]]. Some highlights include:
** Whether AnneHathaway can pull off Catwoman (Similar arguments surrounded whether TomHardy could pull off Bane, but these have quieted down a great deal since [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llmhpb4wU91qal5uuo1_500.jpg the first still of Bane in costume was released.]]
** Whether MarionCotillard is/is not Talia Al'Ghul (Bonus points for mentioning that Josh Pence will be playing a young Ras Al'Ghul, that Joey King looks like a young Marion, and [[EpilepticTrees theorizing that]] JosephGordonLevitt [[EpilepticTrees will turn out to be the Riddler]])
** Whether Bane makes a good final villain. Supporters emphasize that [[GeniusBruiser Comic-Book Bane]] is NOTHING like [[Film/BatmanAndRobin Schumacher]] [[DumbMuscle Bane]] and cite the Knightfall story arc of how [[spoiler:Bane broke Batman's back]] as a good jumping-off point for a finale, while detractors claim that Bane has nothing going for him other than the fact that he [[spoiler:broke Batman's back]], claiming that any other villain (the most popular choice being the Riddler) would make a better final enemy.
** What role the League of Shadows will play, and whether or not Lazarus Pits will be involved, one side claiming that they wouldn't fit into Nolan's hyper realist approach while others claiming [[CreatorWorship Nolan is just so awesome he could figure out a way to make it work.]]
** Whether there are too many/too few/just the right amount of villains
** Whether or not Nolan should break his "no sidekicks" rule and include Robin, which often descend into arguments about whether you like Robin in general
** UnfortunateImplications ([[RaceLift THEY GOT A WHITE DUDE TO PLAY BANE!?!]] [[ChristopherNolan NOLAN]] [[WomenInRefrigerators CAN'T WRITE WOMEN!]])
** Even the ''title'' has people complaining about how much it sucks.
** Most notoriously, there was such an explosion of backlash against [[HePannedItNowHeSucks movie critics who gave the film "Rotten" reviews]] on RottenTomatoes that the site staff blocked all comments and even considered reworking the site's profiles so that [[{{GIFT}} users would have to use their real life Facebook identities rather than anonymous usernames]].
* Never, ''ever'', '''''EVER''''' say that you like the HarryPotter films more than the books. You will be ripped to shreds by the fandom.
** Steve Kloves (the screenwriter for all the movies except ''OrderOfThePhoenix'') gets a lot of hate for the changes he made to the book. Ron/Hermione shippers (and Ron fans in general), despise him in particular for his treatment of Ron (giving many of his best lines to other characters, removing a lot of his intelligence and making him much more goofy and essentially reducing his role in the trio to PluckyComicRelief) and Hermione (giving her many of the best lines, including several of Ron's, playing up her intelligence and competence to almost MarySue-ish proportions), and his seeming preference for [[FanPreferredCouple Harry/Hermione]]. Not helped by Kloves saying that his favorite character is Hermione and many Harmonians (militant H/Hr shippers) citing the movies as evidence for their 'ship (Despite the fact that the movies aren't, y'know...canon)
** Also don't lament against ''The Prisoner Of Azkaban'' (The Harry Potter equivalent of TheEmpireStrikesBack) if you know what's good for you (especially not if it's ''The Chamber of Secrets'', the equivalent of ''ThePhantomMenace'')
** Also which Dumbledore is better? Older fans will tell you Richard Harris and his CoolOldGuy, TheObiWan, authoratative portrayal was the best against the flamboyant, expressive, LargeHam-like Michael Gambon. The others would say Michael Gambon gave Dumbledore more depth and Richard Harris was just giving a Santa Claus-like portrayal. Either way the results are very ugly
* ''SuckerPunch''. Hoo boy. Either it is an unabashed ode to all things geeky or an incomprehensible mess of AuthorAppeal and MaleGaze with a more than healthy dose of UnfortunateImplications. Bonus points if you use "video game" to describe it negatively.
* Admit anywhere that you don't think SeltzerAndFriedberg are the worst filmmakers of all time and the sum of everything wrong with modern cinema. There's a reason their page on this wiki is locked.
* Ever since ''JurassicParkIII'', bringing up [[TyrannosaurusRex T. rex]] vs. Spinosaurus and who would win will cause wars among fans.
** Ask whether or not ''Jurassic Park III'' was the better sequel or if ''The Lost World'' was.
** Heck, try even casually mentioning you like ''either'' of the sequels.
** Try asking if they should do a reboot of the franchise that's closer to the book. Fans from both sides will tear you to shreds.
* ANY movie with an ambiguous ending will do this. Some people wil say that films with ambiguous endings are open to interpretation. That said endings are subject to their emotional and subjective understanding of the film. That they are designed for the audience to process during their quiet, post-watching introspection. Some people, however, want a DAMN answer and will not only expect one but get irritated when people defend the endings, seeing them as nothing more than cop outs. The side that values the ambiguity then gets frustrated and angry themselves and arguments break out. A third side that will chime in are those that claim to have it figured out and will shut out any appropriate argument back. What really exacerbates the problem is the subjectivity of ambiguous endings which makes it hard to argue in physical or practical terms. TheWrestler and ''Film/{{Inception}}'' are two films that suffered from this in recent memory.
* Among black movie goers there's the debate over Romance Comedies (or any other type of comedy) vs Dramas. Some see the former as UncleTomFoolery, while some sees the latter as depressing sap fests, that show blacks as impoverished criminal stereotypes living miserable lives, and having miserable relationships. Both genres seems to be the antithesis to the other. Also bring up TylerPerry ForMassiveDamage
* To that end..TylerPerry, '''Tyler Freaking Perry'''. Tyler is polarizing even among black audiences for widely different reasons. He gets criticism from both genders (though black women are mostly supportive), and the general black populace is bitterly divided over him. Though some think the dissenters are just a very vocal minority. Some of this over laps with the comedy vs drama in black movies debate mentioned above.
* Is the 2012 {{Spider-Man}} reboot a great move or a horrible idea? Is Tobey Maguire the one and only Spider-Man, or will AndrewGarfield be better? Should Emma Stone have played Mary-Jane, or is she perfect as Gwen Stacy? Which is better, organic webs or mechanical web-shooters? The list goes on....
** Now with the new official pictures of the Lizard, there's been backdraft everywhere.
** And on a related note, there is a third group: the people who not only think the reboot is unnecessary, but that the original films shouldn't have been made in the first place.
* Somewhat related, but even ''logos for film companies'' aren't exempt from this trope-some people perfer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRlrAtnmlY previous]] WaltDisney Pictures movie logo over the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY current]] movie logo, which they [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] [[NostalgiaFilter and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like]].
* Do NOT say at a ''PlanetOfTheApes'' forum that you liked the Tim Burton remake. The results will not be pretty. "Rise" has generated a bit of squabbling over whether it was a decent reboot or had too many flaws and MythologyGag stuff, but nowhere near the level of the 2001 remake.
** That said, just try asking if 'Rise' is an intelligent film with flaws or a failed film with too many big plotholes.
** The timelines. Good grief, the timelines. There will be heated arguments if you ask whether the original films are a circular timeline (ie the aftermath of the final film takes the world right back to the first film and the world's eventual distruction) or if Zira and Cornelius changed the future by returning to the past. (Hasselin's 'multi-lane highway theory' with its many variations).
** Can happen if you say you like 'Battle',which many consider the weakest film of all the originals.
* Never, ever, '''EVER''' mention these two words to a ''Film/{{Paul}}'' fan: ''Comicbook/ScottPilgrim...'' They will skin you alive. There are a few ''Paul'' fans who like ''Scott Pilgrim'', but the majority of them despise it with a passion, passing it off as an "unfunny, geeky comic/film for boneheaded gaming nerds who like video game [[ShoutOut shout-outs]], [[ToiletHumor pee jokes]], homosexuality, and random humor". (Never mind the fact that ''Paul'' had lots of shout-outs, pee jokes, and homosexual jokes as well, had a ''Scott Pilgrim: Odds and Ends'' book seen in the background of a comic book shop in one scene, and SimonPegg himself has even stated that he loves ''Scott Pilgrim''.) For example, a Website/YouTube upload of the [[ElectricLightOrchestra ELO]] song ''All Over the World'' (which played during the end credits and epilogue of ''Paul'') had a person comment on the video saying "''Paul is this year's Scott Pilgrim!''", and then a douchebag replied to him with a comment that said something like "''Except Paul was actually a good, funny movie''", the latter comment ended up getting more thumbs up than the former comment.
** This rivalry takes on even more bewildering tones when you remember that Edgar Wright, the director of ''Scott Pilgrim'', has worked closely in the past with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, the stars of ''Paul''. Not only that, but their previous collaborations -- ''Series/{{Spaced}}'', ''Film/ShaunOfTheDead'' and ''Film/HotFuzz'' -- are not only by and large very well regarded but are in many ways as similar in tone, style and content to both movies as you would expect. You would think that given this the two movies would have a certain amount of overlap in their audiences.
* Go to a HungerGames fan forum and bring up BattleRoyale and how the former rips off the latter. Or vice versa, go to a BattleRoyale forum and tell them how you DON'T think HungerGames is a rip off. Go on.
** On the whole, ''BattleRoyale'' fans tend to be a lot more vocal and unfriendly about that issue. Better yet, go on a BR community and proclaim that ''TheHungerGames'' is ''better''. God help you.
* A lot of Creator/MelGibson's work, particularly after the ''Film/LethalWeapon'' series.
* Zeist in ''HighlanderIITheQuickening''. That is all.
** Worse, say you like ''Film/HighlanderTheSource'' and see what happens.
** Some will do it with any of the sequels, as they only like the original and the TV series.
** Ask whether Duncan or Connor are better.
* Horror movie fans on ''everything''. If a franchise gets popular, they will trash it. If a horror film gets acclaimed and the fan is underwhelmed, they cry "Worst movie ever!". If a horror film is rated PG-13, they blindly bash it (despite the fact there have been some good PG-13 horror films). This is a fanbase that acts as if there hasn't been any good horror movies since the 1980's and will defend even the worst 1980's horror film simply because it came out then. No wonder why Hollywood has stopped trying to pander to this base.
* If anyone says they even remotely like The Last Airbender, prepare to be burned with the hottest flames of hell from all the fans of the TV show who know that M Night Shyamalan absolutely ruined it.
* As of TheExpendables, especially after the sequel was nearly made a PG-13 after ChuckNorris objected to the language, just mentioning PG-13, especially in reference to Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger and SylvesterStallone, is enough to start very passionate arguements that true action movies can never be PG-13 or lower. A favorite arguement is that whenever Arnold and Sly do movies rated lower than R, it rarely if ever works out. Yes, '''[[BatmanAndRobin THAT MOVIE]]''' does get brought up.
* Actually, Remakes of ''anything'' in general. You're bound to get a flame war from rabid fans of the older take of any remake by saying you liked it.

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* ''JamesBond''. Which of the (to date) six actors portraying the world's favorite spy is best, and whether or not any given actor is good. There was a ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' episode where three nerds argue over Bond: two pick the usual populist choices of SeanConnery and Roger Moore, while the third nerd finally erupts in frustration that less-liked actor TimothyDalton would kick both their asses. This came to particular prominence in the international media due to the casting of DanielCraig.
* The Oscars are always going to cause epic flame wars, no matter what films win, lose, or don't get nominated in the first place. Some notable examples
** 1998: ''ShakespeareInLove'' winning Best Picture over ''SavingPrivateRyan'', not helped by the backlash against the Weinstein's massive Oscar campaign for the former
** 2006: Nothing makes old wounds ache like bringing up ''Film/{{Crash}}'' winning in 2006 over ''BrokebackMountain''. Not helped by the author of the book BrokebackMountain is based on claiming this was due to homophobia
** 2007: ''TheGoldenCompass'' winning Best Visual Effects over ''Film/{{Transformers}}''.
** 2009: ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' (and to a lesser extent ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'') not receiving Best Picture nods (while the much less well received OscarBait ''Literature/TheReader'' did) caused enough backlash to inspire the Academy to expand the Best Picture category from five to ten films. Still pisses off a lot of people though
** And of course there are those who argue the converse: that increasing the number of possible nominees either cheapens the award or divides votes to the extent where lesser movies win over much better ones
** 2010: ''Avatar'' losing Best Picture to ''TheHurtLocker'' is going to be FlameBait for years to come. Revolutionary, breath-taking epic snubbed in favor of obscure, angsty, [[WarIsHell war-is-hell]] critical darling just because of the SciFiGhetto / AnimationAgeGhetto / TrueArtIsNotPopular and people hatin' on JamesCameron? Or bloated, derivative, overhyped, overrated spectacle getting a deserved slapdown in favor of honest, relevant filmmaking? Or did neither of them deserve it and [[QuentinTarantino Quentin]] [[IngloriousBasterds Tarantino]]/{{Pixar}} [[Film/{{Up}} Studios]] get screwed again?
** 2011 with major FandomRivalry between ''TheSocialNetwork'' and ''TheKingsSpeech'' fans (Innovative, relevant and edgy film about youth culture versus prime OscarBait? Or well-acted, emotional piece against superficially clever film [[TooSoon lacking historical distance from its subject?]]) with input from the ''ToyStory3'', ''Film/{{Inception}}'' and ''TrueGrit'' fans. Further inflamed by ChristopherNolan not even receiving a nomination for Best Director, joining Tarantino in the "Just what the hell do these directors have to ''do'' to get Academy recognition!?!" club.
** 2012: MerylStreep vs. Viola Davis. Was Meryl long overdue? Was Viola robbed? And then bring race issues into it, and prepare to watch the Internet go up in toasty, toasty flames.
*** ''[[{{Film/HarryPotter}} Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2]]'', which is quickly becoming among the most infamous snubs in the show's history.
** This trope is OlderThanYouThink, predating the internet as we know it. ''ForrestGump'' beat ''Film/PulpFiction'' and ''TheShawshankRedemption'' in 1994 (and ''JurassicPark'' wasn't even nominated), ''DancesWithWolves'' beat {{Goodfellas}} in 1990, ''OrdinaryPeople'' won instead of ''RagingBull'' in 1980, ''KramerVsKramer'' won over ''Film/ApocalypseNow'' in 1979, ''MyFairLady'' beat out ''Dr. Strangelove'' in 1964, and so on and so on. Not to mention the dozens of brilliant films that were never nominated.
** Another source of irritation is the way the Academy treats the major awards like lifetime achievement awards at times. Thus, Marlon Brando wins Best Actor for ''Film/TheGodfather'', when the award should have gone to Al Pacino (who inexplicably was nominated for Supporting Actor that year). Pacino eventually won for ''Scent of a Woman'', even though arguably it was the weakest performance out of those nominated in 1993.
** Let's just say this is why AwardSnub no longer allows examples on that page.
** Speaking of Academy and Oscar awards, tell anyone that you think ''{{Juno}}'' was a great movie and deserved all the awards it won. You will be flamed and mutilated endlessly.
** Until MartinScorsese won an Oscar, a common trope on film nerd boards was "I guess the Academy thinks [[INSERT WINNER HERE]] is better than Scorsese!", whether or not he was even nominated that year. It got old fast.
* As follows from the NotUsingTheZWord article, there have been some pretty nerdy debates on whether the Infection in ''Film/TwentyEightDaysLater'' is zombie-like in nature, whether the movie "counted" as a zombie film and the various ethical debates within the series. The "WAI NO ZOMBEES??" debate is the main one, unfortunately, as no one apparently cares about what the plot was for -- just, why the hell aren't those zombies lusting for human flesh and lurching appropriately?
* Go to any sci-fi related forum and claim that Harrison Ford's Deckard in ''Film/BladeRunner'' is/isn't a replicant.
* Wanna start a FlameWar within the ''{{Godzilla}}'' fandom? It's easy. Just mention that the American remake of ''Film/{{Godzilla}}'' is even slightly good.
** For added flames, mention that you liked ''Godzilla's Revenge''.
** Likewise, just casually ask whether or not Film/KingKong, {{Gamera}}, or, more recently, the {{Cloverfield}} monster could beat Godzilla. Then, sit back, relax, and enjoy the oncoming flames.
** Never ask where [[TheScrappy Minya]] came from (or Junior or even Godzooky for that matter). Just, don't. Too many Godzilla fans have been decimated in the resulting flame wars.
** [[ViewerGenderConfusion "Is Destoroyah a boy or a girl?"]] Cue flamewar in 3... 2... 1...
** Mention that you like any of the following monsters- [[TheScrappy Minya, Godzooky, Gabara, or Jet Jaguar.]] The fandom will tear you to shreds.
** Ask whether or not the [[DarkerAndEdgier more serious and darker]] Godzilla films are better than the [[LighterAndSofter goofier and cheesy]] Godzilla films. The flames will commence immediately.
** Likewise, ask which era is best. Showa, Heisei, or Millennium?
** Ishiro Honda. Either he's one of the greatest Japanese film directors who created brilliant monster movies, or he's ridiculously over-hyped and takes the attention away from underappreciated Godzilla film directors. No two fans will fully agree.
** Go onto a Godzilla fan forum. Post a negative review of ''Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack''. Sit back, and enjoy the flames.
** Should Godzilla fight classic foes like Mothra, King Ghidorah, and Mechagodzilla? Or, should he fight more original monsters like Biollante, Orga, and Destroyah? The fandom has been at each other's throats for ''years'', and it just keeps going on whenever some poor soul asks this eternal-struggle causing question.
* Which GeorgeRomero film is the best zombie movie? For extra fun, what is the symbolism of each movie, if any?
* Unless you want to start a massive flame war with Serbian internet goers, you probably shouldn't even mention Angelina Jolie's directorial debut ''InTheLandOfBloodAndHoney''. Check out [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBU8CqU0dg the trailer's]] comments for more examples than you could shake a stick at.
* Go to any ''{{Batman}}''/movie forum/ Website/YouTube video and say you prefer the TimBurton 1989 ''Film/{{Batman}}'' or for that matter any Batman film from 1966 to ''Begins'' as opposed to ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' and watch the fanboys attack. Seriously, when they start claiming that HeathLedger actually became SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, mention how him terrorizing cities in real life had no press coverage.
** Same goes for saying that you prefer the new one to the old one.
** And just for laughs: Who is the better Batman?
** Who was the better Joker: Ledger, Nicholson, or Hamill?
** Better yet: Who was the best Bruce Wayne in addition to who was the best Batman?
** Recipe for complete destruction: "Joel Schumacher made WAAAAAAY better Batman movies than Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton put together."
* Back when the movie ''Film/{{Constantine}}'' was released, stating that the movie version was superior to [[ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} his comic counterpart]] would result in 10+ pages worth of rants and flames on forums.
* Do ''not'' mention the JoelSchumacher film on a ''[[ThePhantomOfTheOpera Phantom of the Opera]]'' forum. On one discussion forum, the pro-film and anti-film parties were segregated into separate threads to keep the peace. The drama has subsided somewhat due to the various factions [[BrokenBase quietly ignoring each other]], but still... enough lives have been lost already. Don't mention him near the ''{{Batman}}'' fans either... it's not pretty.
* In the "Phantom" vein, don't ever, ever, EVER, say that you like the Tim Burton ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'' movie around musical theater fans, or say that you like the original stage play around Johnny Depp fangirls. Either way, you're gonna get burned. Better yet, don't say that both versions have a lot of good points and you don't see what's so bad about one or the other.
* ''HighSchoolMusical''...pretty much for its mere existence.
* The latest ''Film/StarTrek'' movie generated these, even before opening. This has led to "Post this and get banned" notices at several bulletin boards.
** Give it anything but complete praise and you ''will'' get attacked... even if you write a ''positive'' review. On one major fansite [[EightPointEight a score of a 6]] provoked a huge amount of hate mail-a 6 was also given by the author to ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'', and that score is higher than the ones for ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock, Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' and ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''. But still, ''it wasn't a 10'', so it was bad.
** Among some groups saying anything positive about the film will get you attacked as a moron or someone who hates what ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is supposed to stand for.
* ''Franchise/StarWars'' there's lots of fun here. Some highlights:
** Try saying you liked any of the prequels (Episode I if you are brave).
** You ''might'' be able to get away with saying you liked ''RevengeOfTheSith''
** Try saying you hated any of the originals (Episode V if you have the nerve)
** ''ReturnOfTheJedi'' might be fair game in some circles though.
** Ask whether the Expanded Universe is worth consideration. Bonus points if you do so in [=TheForce.net=]'s lit forum
** State Book Series X is not as good as Book Series Y
** Opine that George Lucas is a Genius/Moron
** Question an author's interpretation/writing of a character (EU sources)
** Try to seriously ponder the moral culpability on the Jedi for accepting the clone army...
** ...or any other mention of Karen Traviss
** Mention General Grievous. Was he an AnticlimaxBoss? Was Lucas wrong for going against GenndyTartakovsky's version of the character in ''CloneWars''? Was Tartakovsky wrong for going against Lucas's original idea? Was Mace Windu Force-Crushing his chest enough justification for any perceived VillainDecay? You will not, however, be flamed for claiming the ''CloneWars'' incarnation was a BadAss, or that you liked the comic explaining his origin.
** Mention that you have refrained from watching any of them, and never intend to, and watch fans of any of the movies' jaws drop, and listen to them insist that you 'have to' watch the movies.
** Imply Curtis Saxton's data in the technical manuals is anything less than accurate or honest.
* Go into any horror movie forum and bring up the issue of whether ''EvilDead II'' is a remake, reboot, or sequel. No matter what side you support (or even if you're neutral), you're bound to stir up some flames.
* ''{{Goodfellas}}'' vs. ''Film/TheGodfather'', or the directorial skills of [[FrancisFordCoppola Coppola]] vs. [[MartinScorsese Scorsese]].
* With critics savagely blasting ''[[Film/{{Transformers}} Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', they appear to have designated themselves to be the recipients of extra strength flames (Most notably RogerEbert, [[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/07/i_am_a_brainiac.html who then responded to the hate mail from his initial review]] not unlike [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yatzhee]] and ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros. Brawl'', noted below). On top of that, there's [[UncleTomfoolery the Twins]], who made the medias implode over the perceived racism.
* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' movies. Quick ways to piss off entire forums: StephenieMeyer's "dream team" casting should have been put into place by Summit. RobertPattinson is the best/worst Edward ever. Same for KristenStewart and Bella. TaylorLautner should have been fired. Bryce Dallas Howard will make a FAR better Victoria. NewMoon was horrible. Twilight's special effects were awesome. And, easiest of all: there should be no sex in BreakingDawn, because won't anyone ThinkOfTheChildren?
* ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' is a good source of InternetBackdraft. Especially when you put them in [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny fights against]] [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} less]] [[{{Aliens}} idealistic]] [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquer worlds]]. Some will use this as an outlet to kill the Na'vi while others will view this with disgust
** Even better, the plot of the film alone is enough to start a flame war. Especially if you compare it to ''FernGully'', ''DancesWithWolves'', and/or ''{{Pocahontas}}''.
** Note, however, that this is usually not so much because of any disagreement about the validity of the comparisons (assuming the issue is even considered relevant) as the jokes being ''supremely'' stale. Even people who agreed, for instance, that the creators of ''Series/{{Lost}}'' were making it up as they went along got sick to death of jokes about this long before the series finale came.
** Also, expect WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender fans to complain about the title.
* "Is ''Shock Treatment'' a sequel or not?" The official answer: [[spoiler:yes and no. It does take place AFTER ''{{Rocky Horror| Picture Show}}'', but it's not a continuation of the first film]]. Try telling that to the fandom, though. Likewise, never, ''never'', '''NEVER''' mention that you find the AudienceParticipation in ''Rocky Horror'' to be pointless or a "silly gimmick that's the only thing keeping a mediocre cult film alive". You will be burned by flames.
* The remake of ''Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010'' and how Creator/RobertEnglund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting JackieEarleHaley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.
* To this very day there are flamewars over which parent in ''Film/MrsDoubtfire'' was actually sympathetic. It basically boils down to "Miranda was a total bitch and Daniel was just a guy who loved his kids and would do anything to be with them" vs. "Miranda was the only responsible person in the house and Daniel was a pathetic, whiny, slightly creepy jerk worthy of contempt". And it's not just limited to the film's IMDB board either. The film's entry in the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop page of this very wiki used to be full of {{natter}} from Team Miranda vs. Team Daniel.
* Want to start a FlameWar within ''TheLionKing'' fandom? [[TwoWords Four Words]]: KimbaTheWhiteLion.
** Heck, the same could be said if it's vice versa.
** Never, ''Never'', '''NEVER''' ask whether or not the sequels are any good. The answers will vary, to say the least.
** It's also not a good idea to ask whether or not ''TimonAndPumbaa'' is canon to how the titular meerkat and warthog duo met or if the midquel ''Lion King 1 1/2'' is.
** Nala. Especially when it involves the topic of her parentage (IE: Is Scar her father? Is Mufasa? Is it some random unknown lion?)
** The film in general. Is it Disney's greatest 2D animated film, ever? Is it a good film, but not worth all the hype? Or, is it just an [[HypeBacklash over-hyped animal musical]] that doesn't deserve all the attention/praise it gets? You're bound to get at least two or more people with ''very'' different opinions on the matter.
** Do '''NOT''', under any circumstances, mention that you dislike/hate Scar. Just...don't. Unless you want to be mauled by rabid fangirls.
** '''NEVER''' say that you dislike the film, or think it is a bad film. You will face an end worse than the above.
* Apparently, do not mention that you think JamesCameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time in front of ChristopherNolan fans. Or vice versa. Otherwise, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z75o-F6ja2I this happens]]. Yikes! In general, try to avoid dissing ChristopherNolan.
* ''ShutterIsland'': the debate over whether or not [[spoiler:Teddy is insane.]]
* Ask people on the Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses forums if they'll buy a DVD or go see a live screening of ''TheRoom'' now.
* Sites boycotting the film ''Film/TwentyOne'' popped up in the aftermath of the "whitewash casting" controversy, and there were many netizens hating on Jeff Ma, who had a cameo in the film but didn't push for an Asian to be cast as the lead.
* Whatever you do, don't mention how similar ''RepoTheGeneticOpera'' is to ''RepoMen'' in the presence of the fans of either. There will be blood.
* Just for giggles, post a video on Website/YouTube with the ever-popular song "[[TeamAmericaWorldPolice America! FUCK YEAH!]] and enjoy the political FlameWar that is to follow. Actually, post ANY video on ANY subject on Youtube, and be prepared for massive amounts of jingoism, xenophobia, and opinionated political grandstanding. Flame-wars about Obama's presidency can pop up on Spongebob Squarepants videos.
* ''Film/{{Inception}}'' versus ''{{Paprika}}'', and whether the former is just an unimaginative rip-off of the latter (not helped by Nolan admitting ''{{Paprika}}'' influenced ''Film/{{Inception}}'' a great deal)
** You could probably diffuse both parties by giving them a little push toward the PhilipKDick section of Amazon.
** And while we're on ''Film/{{Inception}}'', [[spoiler:Whether the top fell at the end or not. It got to the point where people contacted the costumer to see whether the kids at the end were wearing different clothes than the ones they wore throughout the rest of the film [[WordOfGod (They were)]], and to where Cracked.com had to moderate its own page on the film after ''[[SerialEscalation commenters started analyzing the spin of the top just to see if the lean exceeded the amount allowed by gravity]]''.]]
* ''EVERY TIME'' a new movie enters the IMDb Top 250. No matter what, there's always a complaint when someone brings it up.
* ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': Given the success and excitement surrounding the previous films, backdraft was pretty much inevitable, with arguments essentially boiling down to [[JumpingTheShark "Nolan has jumped the shark]]" vs [[MemeticMutation "In Nolan We Trust"]]. Some highlights include:
** Whether AnneHathaway can pull off Catwoman (Similar arguments surrounded whether TomHardy could pull off Bane, but these have quieted down a great deal since [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llmhpb4wU91qal5uuo1_500.jpg the first still of Bane in costume was released.]]
** Whether MarionCotillard is/is not Talia Al'Ghul (Bonus points for mentioning that Josh Pence will be playing a young Ras Al'Ghul, that Joey King looks like a young Marion, and [[EpilepticTrees theorizing that]] JosephGordonLevitt [[EpilepticTrees will turn out to be the Riddler]])
** Whether Bane makes a good final villain. Supporters emphasize that [[GeniusBruiser Comic-Book Bane]] is NOTHING like [[Film/BatmanAndRobin Schumacher]] [[DumbMuscle Bane]] and cite the Knightfall story arc of how [[spoiler:Bane broke Batman's back]] as a good jumping-off point for a finale, while detractors claim that Bane has nothing going for him other than the fact that he [[spoiler:broke Batman's back]], claiming that any other villain (the most popular choice being the Riddler) would make a better final enemy.
** What role the League of Shadows will play, and whether or not Lazarus Pits will be involved, one side claiming that they wouldn't fit into Nolan's hyper realist approach while others claiming [[CreatorWorship Nolan is just so awesome he could figure out a way to make it work.]]
** Whether there are too many/too few/just the right amount of villains
** Whether or not Nolan should break his "no sidekicks" rule and include Robin, which often descend into arguments about whether you like Robin in general
** UnfortunateImplications ([[RaceLift THEY GOT A WHITE DUDE TO PLAY BANE!?!]] [[ChristopherNolan NOLAN]] [[WomenInRefrigerators CAN'T WRITE WOMEN!]])
** Even the ''title'' has people complaining about how much it sucks.
** Most notoriously, there was such an explosion of backlash against [[HePannedItNowHeSucks movie critics who gave the film "Rotten" reviews]] on RottenTomatoes that the site staff blocked all comments and even considered reworking the site's profiles so that [[{{GIFT}} users would have to use their real life Facebook identities rather than anonymous usernames]].
* Never, ''ever'', '''''EVER''''' say that you like the HarryPotter films more than the books. You will be ripped to shreds by the fandom.
** Steve Kloves (the screenwriter for all the movies except ''OrderOfThePhoenix'') gets a lot of hate for the changes he made to the book. Ron/Hermione shippers (and Ron fans in general), despise him in particular for his treatment of Ron (giving many of his best lines to other characters, removing a lot of his intelligence and making him much more goofy and essentially reducing his role in the trio to PluckyComicRelief) and Hermione (giving her many of the best lines, including several of Ron's, playing up her intelligence and competence to almost MarySue-ish proportions), and his seeming preference for [[FanPreferredCouple Harry/Hermione]]. Not helped by Kloves saying that his favorite character is Hermione and many Harmonians (militant H/Hr shippers) citing the movies as evidence for their 'ship (Despite the fact that the movies aren't, y'know...canon)
** Also don't lament against ''The Prisoner Of Azkaban'' (The Harry Potter equivalent of TheEmpireStrikesBack) if you know what's good for you (especially not if it's ''The Chamber of Secrets'', the equivalent of ''ThePhantomMenace'')
** Also which Dumbledore is better? Older fans will tell you Richard Harris and his CoolOldGuy, TheObiWan, authoratative portrayal was the best against the flamboyant, expressive, LargeHam-like Michael Gambon. The others would say Michael Gambon gave Dumbledore more depth and Richard Harris was just giving a Santa Claus-like portrayal. Either way the results are very ugly
* ''SuckerPunch''. Hoo boy. Either it is an unabashed ode to all things geeky or an incomprehensible mess of AuthorAppeal and MaleGaze with a more than healthy dose of UnfortunateImplications. Bonus points if you use "video game" to describe it negatively.
* Admit anywhere that you don't think SeltzerAndFriedberg are the worst filmmakers of all time and the sum of everything wrong with modern cinema. There's a reason their page on this wiki is locked.
* Ever since ''JurassicParkIII'', bringing up [[TyrannosaurusRex T. rex]] vs. Spinosaurus and who would win will cause wars among fans.
** Ask whether or not ''Jurassic Park III'' was the better sequel or if ''The Lost World'' was.
** Heck, try even casually mentioning you like ''either'' of the sequels.
** Try asking if they should do a reboot of the franchise that's closer to the book. Fans from both sides will tear you to shreds.
* ANY movie with an ambiguous ending will do this. Some people wil say that films with ambiguous endings are open to interpretation. That said endings are subject to their emotional and subjective understanding of the film. That they are designed for the audience to process during their quiet, post-watching introspection. Some people, however, want a DAMN answer and will not only expect one but get irritated when people defend the endings, seeing them as nothing more than cop outs. The side that values the ambiguity then gets frustrated and angry themselves and arguments break out. A third side that will chime in are those that claim to have it figured out and will shut out any appropriate argument back. What really exacerbates the problem is the subjectivity of ambiguous endings which makes it hard to argue in physical or practical terms. TheWrestler and ''Film/{{Inception}}'' are two films that suffered from this in recent memory.
* Among black movie goers there's the debate over Romance Comedies (or any other type of comedy) vs Dramas. Some see the former as UncleTomFoolery, while some sees the latter as depressing sap fests, that show blacks as impoverished criminal stereotypes living miserable lives, and having miserable relationships. Both genres seems to be the antithesis to the other. Also bring up TylerPerry ForMassiveDamage
* To that end..TylerPerry, '''Tyler Freaking Perry'''. Tyler is polarizing even among black audiences for widely different reasons. He gets criticism from both genders (though black women are mostly supportive), and the general black populace is bitterly divided over him. Though some think the dissenters are just a very vocal minority. Some of this over laps with the comedy vs drama in black movies debate mentioned above.
* Is the 2012 {{Spider-Man}} reboot a great move or a horrible idea? Is Tobey Maguire the one and only Spider-Man, or will AndrewGarfield be better? Should Emma Stone have played Mary-Jane, or is she perfect as Gwen Stacy? Which is better, organic webs or mechanical web-shooters? The list goes on....
** Now with the new official pictures of the Lizard, there's been backdraft everywhere.
** And on a related note, there is a third group: the people who not only think the reboot is unnecessary, but that the original films shouldn't have been made in the first place.
* Somewhat related, but even ''logos for film companies'' aren't exempt from this trope-some people perfer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRlrAtnmlY previous]] WaltDisney Pictures movie logo over the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY current]] movie logo, which they [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] [[NostalgiaFilter and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like]].
* Do NOT say at a ''PlanetOfTheApes'' forum that you liked the Tim Burton remake. The results will not be pretty. "Rise" has generated a bit of squabbling over whether it was a decent reboot or had too many flaws and MythologyGag stuff, but nowhere near the level of the 2001 remake.
** That said, just try asking if 'Rise' is an intelligent film with flaws or a failed film with too many big plotholes.
** The timelines. Good grief, the timelines. There will be heated arguments if you ask whether the original films are a circular timeline (ie the aftermath of the final film takes the world right back to the first film and the world's eventual distruction) or if Zira and Cornelius changed the future by returning to the past. (Hasselin's 'multi-lane highway theory' with its many variations).
** Can happen if you say you like 'Battle',which many consider the weakest film of all the originals.
* Never, ever, '''EVER''' mention these two words to a ''Film/{{Paul}}'' fan: ''Comicbook/ScottPilgrim...'' They will skin you alive. There are a few ''Paul'' fans who like ''Scott Pilgrim'', but the majority of them despise it with a passion, passing it off as an "unfunny, geeky comic/film for boneheaded gaming nerds who like video game [[ShoutOut shout-outs]], [[ToiletHumor pee jokes]], homosexuality, and random humor". (Never mind the fact that ''Paul'' had lots of shout-outs, pee jokes, and homosexual jokes as well, had a ''Scott Pilgrim: Odds and Ends'' book seen in the background of a comic book shop in one scene, and SimonPegg himself has even stated that he loves ''Scott Pilgrim''.) For example, a Website/YouTube upload of the [[ElectricLightOrchestra ELO]] song ''All Over the World'' (which played during the end credits and epilogue of ''Paul'') had a person comment on the video saying "''Paul is this year's Scott Pilgrim!''", and then a douchebag replied to him with a comment that said something like "''Except Paul was actually a good, funny movie''", the latter comment ended up getting more thumbs up than the former comment.
** This rivalry takes on even more bewildering tones when you remember that Edgar Wright, the director of ''Scott Pilgrim'', has worked closely in the past with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, the stars of ''Paul''. Not only that, but their previous collaborations -- ''Series/{{Spaced}}'', ''Film/ShaunOfTheDead'' and ''Film/HotFuzz'' -- are not only by and large very well regarded but are in many ways as similar in tone, style and content to both movies as you would expect. You would think that given this the two movies would have a certain amount of overlap in their audiences.
* Go to a HungerGames fan forum and bring up BattleRoyale and how the former rips off the latter. Or vice versa, go to a BattleRoyale forum and tell them how you DON'T think HungerGames is a rip off. Go on.
** On the whole, ''BattleRoyale'' fans tend to be a lot more vocal and unfriendly about that issue. Better yet, go on a BR community and proclaim that ''TheHungerGames'' is ''better''. God help you.
* A lot of Creator/MelGibson's work, particularly after the ''Film/LethalWeapon'' series.
* Zeist in ''HighlanderIITheQuickening''. That is all.
** Worse, say you like ''Film/HighlanderTheSource'' and see what happens.
** Some will do it with any of the sequels, as they only like the original and the TV series.
** Ask whether Duncan or Connor are better.
* Horror movie fans on ''everything''. If a franchise gets popular, they will trash it. If a horror film gets acclaimed and the fan is underwhelmed, they cry "Worst movie ever!". If a horror film is rated PG-13, they blindly bash it (despite the fact there have been some good PG-13 horror films). This is a fanbase that acts as if there hasn't been any good horror movies since the 1980's and will defend even the worst 1980's horror film simply because it came out then. No wonder why Hollywood has stopped trying to pander to this base.
* If anyone says they even remotely like The Last Airbender, prepare to be burned with the hottest flames of hell from all the fans of the TV show who know that M Night Shyamalan absolutely ruined it.
* As of TheExpendables, especially after the sequel was nearly made a PG-13 after ChuckNorris objected to the language, just mentioning PG-13, especially in reference to Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger and SylvesterStallone, is enough to start very passionate arguements that true action movies can never be PG-13 or lower. A favorite arguement is that whenever Arnold and Sly do movies rated lower than R, it rarely if ever works out. Yes, '''[[BatmanAndRobin THAT MOVIE]]''' does get brought up.
* Actually, Remakes of ''anything'' in general. You're bound to get a flame war from rabid fans of the older take of any remake by saying you liked it.

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29th Sep '12 3:05:21 AM TellAll111
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* As of TheExpendables, especially after the sequel was nearly made a PG-13 after ChuckNorris objected to the language, just mentioning PG-13, especially in reference to Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger and SylvesterStallone, is enough to start very passionate arguements that true action movies can never be lower than PG-13. A favorite arguement is that whenever Arnold and Sly do movies rated lower than R, it rarely if ever works out. Yes, '''[[BatmanAndRobin THAT MOVIE]]''' does get brought up.

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* As of TheExpendables, especially after the sequel was nearly made a PG-13 after ChuckNorris objected to the language, just mentioning PG-13, especially in reference to Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger and SylvesterStallone, is enough to start very passionate arguements that true action movies can never be lower than PG-13.PG-13 or lower. A favorite arguement is that whenever Arnold and Sly do movies rated lower than R, it rarely if ever works out. Yes, '''[[BatmanAndRobin THAT MOVIE]]''' does get brought up.
24th Sep '12 9:36:01 AM erforce
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* The remake of ''Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010'' and how Robert Englund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting JackieEarleHaley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.

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* The remake of ''Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010'' and how Robert Englund Creator/RobertEnglund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting JackieEarleHaley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.
20th Sep '12 10:15:21 AM erforce
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* The remake of ''ANightmareOnElmStreet'' and how Robert Englund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting Jackie Earle Haley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.

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* The remake of ''ANightmareOnElmStreet'' ''Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010'' and how Robert Englund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting Jackie Earle Haley JackieEarleHaley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.
20th Sep '12 3:47:18 AM Nigellus
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* Actually, Remakes of ''anything'' in general. You're bound to get a flame war from rabid fans of the older take of any remake by saying you liked it.
16th Sep '12 10:29:16 PM DoctorNemesis
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** This rivalry takes on even more bewildering tones when you remember that Edgar Wright, the director of ''Scott Pilgrim'', has worked closely in the past with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, the stars of ''Paul'' and their previous collaborations -- ''Series/{{Spaced}}'', ''Film/ShaunOfTheDead'' and ''Film/HotFuzz'' -- are by and large very well received and in many ways similar in tone, style and content to both movies; you would expect that given this the two movies would have a certain amount of overlap in their audiences.

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** This rivalry takes on even more bewildering tones when you remember that Edgar Wright, the director of ''Scott Pilgrim'', has worked closely in the past with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, the stars of ''Paul'' and ''Paul''. Not only that, but their previous collaborations -- ''Series/{{Spaced}}'', ''Film/ShaunOfTheDead'' and ''Film/HotFuzz'' -- are not only by and large very well received and regarded but are in many ways as similar in tone, style and content to both movies; movies as you would expect expect. You would think that given this the two movies would have a certain amount of overlap in their audiences.
16th Sep '12 10:27:40 PM DoctorNemesis
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** This rivalry takes on even more bewildering tones when you remember that Edgar Wright, the director of ''Scott Pilgrim'', has worked closely in the past with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, the stars of ''Paul'' and their previous collaborations -- ''Series/{{Spaced}}'', ''Film/ShaunOfTheDead'' and ''Film/HotFuzz'' -- are by and large very well received and in many ways similar in tone, style and content to both movies; you would expect that given this the two movies would have a certain amount of overlap in their audiences.
14th Sep '12 3:20:50 PM Yeow95
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* Somewhat related, but even ''logos for film companies'' aren't exempt from this trope-some people perfer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRlrAtnmlY previous]] WaltDisney Pictures movie logo over it's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY sucecessor]], which they [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] [[NostalgiaFilter and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like]].

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* Somewhat related, but even ''logos for film companies'' aren't exempt from this trope-some people perfer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRlrAtnmlY previous]] WaltDisney Pictures movie logo over it's the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY sucecessor]], current]] movie logo, which they [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] [[NostalgiaFilter and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like]].
14th Sep '12 3:18:14 PM Yeow95
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* This isn't really a film, but it happens before newer Disney films anyway. Some people think that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY this]] is a wonderful addition, while others [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like.

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* This isn't really a film, Somewhat related, but it happens before newer Disney films anyway. Some even ''logos for film companies'' aren't exempt from this trope-some people think that perfer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRlrAtnmlY previous]] WaltDisney Pictures movie logo over it's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HwMYzTHgdzY this]] is a wonderful addition, while others sucecessor]], which they [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks complain that it takes way too long]] [[NostalgiaFilter and that new people who like it don't know what Disney used to be like.like]].
12th Sep '12 12:14:05 PM Orihime
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* Go on, we dare you to point out any flaws in WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}. Whether real or not. Many fans will immediately chalk up ANY kind of criticism to misogyny, no matter what well-thought or {{troll}}ish arguments you have.
** Double if you say that you don't like Merida. Or compare her to the {{Disney Princess}}es. And ''particularly'' if you say she's [[GirlsneedRoleModels "more feminist"]] than them, save {{Mulan}}.
** Also, while discussing the Merida and Elinor conflict, be careful with your opinion. Was Merida a plucky girl who truly thought she could do things by herself, while Elinor either mollycoddled her or tried to manipulate her into a more "acceptable" pawn in the peacekeeping? Or was Elinor a genuinely well-intentioned mother for both Merida ''and'' the kingdom, while Merida was just a SpoiledBrat throwing tantrums at the thought of acting like an adult? Are there shades of grey in this, with both of them having good and bad points? Eithee way, don't ask.

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* Go on, we dare you to point out any flaws in WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}. Whether real or not. Many fans will immediately chalk up ANY kind of criticism to misogyny, no matter what well-thought or {{troll}}ish arguments you have.
** Double if you say that you don't like Merida. Or compare her to the {{Disney Princess}}es. And ''particularly'' if you say she's [[GirlsneedRoleModels "more feminist"]] than them, save {{Mulan}}.
** Also, while discussing the Merida and Elinor conflict, be careful with your opinion. Was Merida a plucky girl who truly thought she could do things by herself, while Elinor either mollycoddled her or tried to manipulate her into a more "acceptable" pawn in the peacekeeping? Or was Elinor a genuinely well-intentioned mother for both Merida ''and'' the kingdom, while Merida was just a SpoiledBrat throwing tantrums at the thought of acting like an adult? Are there shades of grey in this, with both of them having good and bad points? Eithee way, don't ask.
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