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13th Nov '16 5:34:40 AM thatsnumberwang
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** The five members of the Zero Squad are stated to be stronger than the entire Gotei 13 - and maybe they are. The problem is that A) They are poorly fleshed out due to being introduced right at the end of the series, so it is hard to argue using on-page evidence that anyone except Nimaiya could have defeated someone like Yamamoto or Kenpachi, and B) in the first major battle we see them in, they are up against [[InvincibleVillain Yhwach,]] with the end result that four out of five of them were defeated between scenes.
26th Oct '16 3:45:16 PM totoofze47
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* ''Franchise/OnePiece'': The Sea Kings are supposedly very powerful, and serve as a means of dissuading sailors from entering the Calm Belt, but they only demonstrate how deadly they are when the Lord of the Coast- which was extremely vicious compared to most Sea Kings- eats Higuma the Bear in Luffy's past, and then eats Shanks' arm. They mostly serve to show how powerful certain characters are by [[TheWorfEffect falling in battle against them]]. Some even get cut in two.
** There is, however, immense variance in size and power among Sea Kings. The latest arc has appearances by Sea Kings like [[FanNickname Stripey]] who are bigger than good-sized islands; Lord of the Coast is probably about the size of one of their ''teeth''. These uber-Sea Kings also, unlike previous smaller ones, demonstrate human-level intelligence.
** Additionally, their primary threat is what they can do to ships rather than characters. Alot of the high end characters are Devil Fruit users. Destroy the ship and there's nothing keeping them out of the water. TKO. This is why Marine ships have Seastone hulls, because that material keeps Sea Kings from noticing their presence (Though it doesn't make the ships invisible to them). Other modes of transport, like the Sea Train, have a whistle that scares them off.

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Sea Kings Kings. They are supposedly very powerful, and serve as a means of dissuading sailors from entering the Calm Belt, but they only demonstrate how deadly they are when the Lord of the Coast- which was extremely vicious compared to most Sea Kings- eats Higuma the Bear in Luffy's past, and then eats Shanks' arm. They Their strength being never shown onscreen, they mostly serve to show how powerful certain characters are by [[TheWorfEffect falling in battle against them]]. Some even get cut in two.
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** There is, however, immense variance in size and power among Sea Kings. The latest One arc has appearances by Sea Kings like [[FanNickname Stripey]] who are bigger than good-sized islands; Lord of the Coast is probably about the size of one of their ''teeth''. These uber-Sea Kings also, unlike previous smaller ones, demonstrate human-level intelligence.
** Additionally, their primary threat is what they can do to ships rather than characters. Alot A lot of the high end characters are Devil Fruit users. Destroy the ship and there's nothing keeping them out of the water. TKO. This is why Marine ships have Seastone hulls, because that material keeps Sea Kings from noticing their presence (Though it doesn't make the ships invisible to them). Other modes of transport, like the Sea Train, have a whistle that scares them off.off.
** Finally, while there are creatures so powerful that they prey on even Sea Kings, said Sea Kings are also dangerous by their sheer number. [[spoiler:To the point that the ability to talk to and command Sea Kings is enough to make the person who wields it considered one of the Ancient Weapons, Poseidon, capable of destroying the world if in the wrong hands. Good thing the person who currently holds this power is an adorable and extremely kind young princess who wouldn't hurt a fly.]]
18th Oct '16 11:16:06 PM Nintendoman01
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** [[AllThereInTheManual Supplemental material]] establishes Krillin as the strongest human character in the series. Barring the fact that most non-Saiyans CantCatchUp, Tien had the better showings in fights throughout the series, though this could be attributed to Krillin's cowardice and the fact that [[OvershadowedByAwesome he tended to enter fights with Goku and Gohan by his side]].
14th Oct '16 2:36:28 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': In the anime, when Frieza and King Cold are landing on Earth, the Z-Fighters state that Cold's PowerLevel is even higher than Frieza. Of course, since Trunks kills Cold with even less effort than when he killed Frieza, who is explicitly mentioned to even stronger as [[{{Cyborg}} Mecha-Frieza]] than he was when he fought Goku on Namek, this is a little difficult to believe.

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In the anime, when Frieza and King Cold are landing on Earth, the Z-Fighters state that Cold's PowerLevel is even higher than Frieza. Frieza's. Of course, since Trunks kills Cold with even less effort than when he killed Frieza, who is explicitly mentioned to even stronger as [[{{Cyborg}} Mecha-Frieza]] than he was when he fought Goku on Namek, this is a little difficult to believe.believe.
** Burter of the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Ginyu Force]] repeatedly boasts that he's the fastest in the universe, to the extent that he's in disbelief that Goku is faster than him. However, both Captain Ginyu and Frieza are ''clearly'' much faster than he is.
17th Sep '16 11:40:02 AM Hanz
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* One might be excused for forgetting that Sena Kashiwazaki from BokuWaTomodachiGaSukunai is meant to be an academic genius and an athletic prodigy, as the LawOfFunny means she regularly falls for painfully obvious tricks and the LawOfSexy means her general method of movement is clumsy enough to invoke plenty of swinging shots of her GagBoobs. She's also laughably clueless, although in that regard she may be justified due to her absurd wealth making her unfamiliar with the way the "real world" works.

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* One might be excused for forgetting that Sena Kashiwazaki from BokuWaTomodachiGaSukunai LightNovel/BokuWaTomodachiGaSukunai is meant to be an academic genius and an athletic prodigy, as the LawOfFunny RuleOfFunny means she regularly falls for painfully obvious tricks and the LawOfSexy RuleOfSexy means her general method of movement is clumsy enough to invoke plenty of swinging shots of her GagBoobs. She's also laughably clueless, although in that regard she may be justified due to her absurd wealth making her unfamiliar with the way the "real world" works.
3rd Apr '16 3:29:16 PM captainpat
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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', there are several moves which represent this, although it would be classed more as ''Informed Power'' then ability. The Iron Dragon's Sword is stated by Gajeel to "be able to tear through anything it touches" yet has not hit a single target, presumably due to fights ending rather quickly should it actually hit. Whilst there are other moves that fit this bill, such as Laxus' Raging Bolt, but the biggest offender is the Abyss Break. It's supposedly a devastating spell that is capable of wiping away an entire town. The first time it's attempted to be cast, it's power source is removed, the second time, the user ''faints'' before being able to finish casting it. Abyss Break is the only spell to have never been officially cast despite being mentioned practically once every other arc.

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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', there are several moves which represent this, although it would be classed more as ''Informed Power'' then ability. The Iron Dragon's Sword is stated by Gajeel to "be able to tear through anything it touches" yet has not hit a single target, presumably due to fights ending rather quickly should it actually hit. Whilst there are other moves that fit this bill, such as Laxus' Raging Bolt, but the biggest offender is the Abyss Break.Break is a noticeable case. It's supposedly a devastating spell that is capable of wiping away an entire town. The first time it's attempted to be cast, it's power source is removed, the second time, the user ''faints'' before being able to finish casting it. Abyss Break is the only spell to have never been officially cast despite being mentioned practically once every other arc.



** Same with Sakura's supposed smarts.



** The worst offender, however, goes to the ANBU. They're sent on all the most dangerous missions, any BadAss main character has spent time in the ANBU, and overall, supposed to be the [=SEALs=] of the ninja world. When they actually get into a fight, they're degraded to {{mook}} status, those formerly BadAss masks now cementing their status as CannonFodder. The fact that they're anonymous but allegedly elite makes them custom-made for TheWorfEffect.
** Hanzou, leader of the Village Hidden in the Rain, also suffers from this. The audience is told of his almost unstoppable power and skills but we never actually see him in combat. This is then mixed with TheWorfEffect when [[spoiler:Hanzou's assassination is used to hype up Pain's own power, emphasized even more by the fact that Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru all lost to Hanzou during the war. Both of these tropes are eventually averted for Pain when he proceeds to kill Jiraiya and blow up Konoha proving that the rumors of his abilities are no exaggeration.]]
** ''Naruto himself'' became a victim of this trope throughout the first half of Shippuden. Practically every mention of him was accompanied by a comment over how strong he is and how much he has improved, yet the only improvement he ever really showed was a bigger rasengan, and the constant need to get bailed out of any dangerous situation by his teammates. Thankfully, [[TookALevelInBadass he got better as the series went on]].

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** The worst offender, however, goes to the ANBU. They're ANBU sent on all the most dangerous missions, any BadAss main character has spent time in the ANBU, and overall, supposed to be the [=SEALs=] of the ninja world. When they actually get into a fight, they're degraded to {{mook}} status, those formerly BadAss masks now cementing their status as CannonFodder. The fact that they're anonymous but allegedly elite makes them custom-made for TheWorfEffect.
** The audience is told Hanzou, leader of the Village Hidden in the Rain, also suffers from this. The audience is told of his Rain has almost unstoppable power and skills but we never actually see him in combat. This is then mixed with TheWorfEffect when [[spoiler:Hanzou's assassination is used to hype up Pain's own power, emphasized even more by the fact that Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru all lost to Hanzou during the war. Both of these tropes are eventually averted for Pain when he proceeds to kill Jiraiya and blow up Konoha proving that the rumors of his abilities are no exaggeration.]]
** ''Naruto himself'' became a victim of this trope throughout the first half of Shippuden. Practically Shippuden as practically every mention of him was accompanied by a comment over how strong he is and how much he has improved, yet the only improvement he ever really showed was a bigger rasengan, and the constant need to get bailed out of any dangerous situation by his teammates. Thankfully, [[TookALevelInBadass he got better as the series went on]].



* The [[HumongousMecha Mobile Suits]] suffer from this in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. They generally have a knack for using weapons once or twice (e.g. Exia only uses its wrist vulcans twice in 25 episodes. But blink and you'll miss it!) But [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary materials]] make things worse. For example, did you know the GN-007 Arios Gundam in season 2 had a beam shield? According to the official file it does, but it has never been animated. The Model Kits are another offender as well. The [[CompilationMovie Special Editions]] do add footage of some weapons in use, but these are only glimpses in action packed sequences.

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* The [[HumongousMecha Mobile Suits]] suffer from this in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''. They generally ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' have a knack for using weapons once or twice (e.g. Exia only uses its wrist vulcans twice in 25 episodes. But blink and you'll miss it!) But [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary materials]] make things worse. For example, did you know the GN-007 Arios Gundam in season 2 had a beam shield? According to the official file it does, but it has never been animated. The Model Kits are another offender as well. The [[CompilationMovie Special Editions]] do add footage of some weapons in use, but these are only glimpses in action packed sequences.
28th Mar '16 9:29:58 AM ObsidianFire
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* In the ''Manga/SoulEater'' manga, Mosquito was about to assume his youngest form, when he was at his most powerful, but thanks to GenreSavvy intervention, [[spoiler: he was killed before he could finish the transformation]].

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* In the ''Manga/SoulEater'' manga, Mosquito was about to assume his youngest form, when he was at his most powerful, but thanks to GenreSavvy intervention, [[spoiler: he was killed before he could finish the transformation]].
15th Mar '16 8:15:40 PM Loekman3
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** Yagura, the Jinchuuriki of the Three Tailed Turtle is stated to be one of the four people who has a complete control over his Bijuu, yet when we see him fight after being resurrected by Kabuto, he fights no better than the other Jinchuurikis sent to fight Naruto. Adding insult to the injury, he easily falls under Tobi's Genjutsu despite the fact that he normally should be immune to this by virtue of his own Bijuu breaking it.
13th Mar '16 1:15:52 PM NNinja
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** In addition to being a ChessMaster, Lelouch is said to be an actual chess master, and the show at least tries to demonstrate it by showing fragments of his games. However, the few times his games are shown, his moves and thought processes, while good for the camera, aren't going to win games against any remotely skilled player in real life.
*** Worse still is Schneizel, who's said to be the only one who can beat Lelouch at chess (which doesn't sound so hard, considering). Then you have the situation in which he ''puts his own king in check'', even though that move is just plain illegal. Which proves he doesn't really seem to care at all about the game.
10th Mar '16 1:51:03 PM Willbyr
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* ''SaintSeiya'' spends hours of footage telling us that Bronze Saints can reach the speed of sound, Gold Saints can reach the speed of light, and so forth. But when any of them need to get anywhere in a certain limit in time (read: once per arc), they run more-or-less as fast as a normal person ([[{{Padding}}or even slower]]).

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* ''SaintSeiya'' ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' spends hours of footage telling us that Bronze Saints can reach the speed of sound, Gold Saints can reach the speed of light, and so forth. But when any of them need to get anywhere in a certain limit in time (read: once per arc), they run more-or-less as fast as a normal person ([[{{Padding}}or even slower]]).
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