History IneffectualSympatheticVillain / ComicBooks

10th Aug '17 6:17:34 AM TheNerfGuy
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* Signalman got his start as a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it.
* Calendar Man started out as a lame villain. Julian Gregory Day (his name is ''three puns in one'') committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (For instance, dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. In recent years, however, he's [[TookALevelInBadass become more serious]] and is seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke.
* Charlie Brown, [[SarcasmMode the notorious]] Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], he was a lame ShoutOut to ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' who even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]]
* Most characters designed by comic legends Creator/BobKane and Creator/BillFinger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne [[PunnyName (another pun there)]] was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. He was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one proudly displayed in the Batcave. DC was [[OldShame so embarrassed by this story]], they gave it a RetCon that attributed the giant penny to one of Two-Face's schemes, banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.
31st Jul '17 8:41:23 AM LadyJaneGrey
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[[AC:Batman]] has a RoguesGallery with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:

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[[AC:Batman]] has a RoguesGallery with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he history, but also has some of the worst:
lame ones:



** Of course, not being a threat to ''Batman'' doesn't necessarily mean he can't be a threat to ''other'' characters, as street villain Boneblaster learned after trashing the Riddler's house in a fight against Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman. The reader doesn't get to see the details, but it's indicated that Edward is about to beat Boneblaster senseless with his trademark cane.
* Similarly, the fact that the Penguin is perfectly sane may have contributed to his mutation into a gray market white-collar criminal who Batman is grudgingly willing to tolerate as a source of information on the criminal underworld.

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** %%** Of course, not being a threat to ''Batman'' doesn't necessarily mean he can't be a threat to ''other'' characters, as street villain Boneblaster learned after trashing the Riddler's house in a fight against Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and Catwoman. The reader doesn't get to see the details, but it's indicated that Edward is about to beat Boneblaster senseless with his trademark cane.
* Similarly, the %%* The fact that the Penguin is perfectly sane may have contributed to his mutation into a gray market white-collar criminal who Batman is grudgingly willing to tolerate as a source of information on the criminal underworld.



* The there was Signalman. Supposedly, he was a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it.
* Calendar Man started out like this. Julian Gregory Day (three puns in one there) committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (Like dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. Still, in recent years he's become a little more serious and seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke.
* Charlie Brown, the notorious Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], this lame ShoutOut even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]]
* One would think that a character designed by legends Bob Kane and Bill finger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne (uh, yeah) was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. This was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one in the Batcave. DC was so embarrassed by this story, they gave it a RetCon that made the villain RetGone, attributing the giant penny to Two-Face and banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.

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* The there was Signalman. Supposedly, he was Signalman got his start as a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it.
* Calendar Man started out like this. as a lame villain. Julian Gregory Day (three (his name is ''three puns in one there) one'') committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (Like (For instance, dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. Still, in In recent years years, however, he's [[TookALevelInBadass become a little more serious serious]] and is seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke.
* Charlie Brown, [[SarcasmMode the notorious notorious]] Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], this he was a lame ShoutOut to ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' who even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]]
* One would think that a character Most characters designed by comic legends Bob Kane Creator/BobKane and Bill finger Creator/BillFinger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne (uh, yeah) [[PunnyName (another pun there)]] was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. This He was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one proudly displayed in the Batcave. DC was [[OldShame so embarrassed by this story, story]], they gave it a RetCon that made the villain RetGone, attributing attributed the giant penny to Two-Face and one of Two-Face's schemes, banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.
27th Jul '17 4:06:12 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* The there was Signalman. Supposedly, he was a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it.
* Calendar Man started out like this. Julian Gregory Day (three puns in one there) committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (Like dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. Still, in recent years he's become a little more serious and seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke.
* Charlie Brown, the notorious Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], this lame ShoutOut even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]]
* One would think that a character designed by legends Bob Kane and Bill finger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne (uh, yeah) was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. This was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one in the Batcave. DC was so embarrassed by this story, they gave it a RetCon that made the villain RetGone, attributing the giant penny to Two-Face and banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.



* Humpty-Dumpty, who is so [[AntiVillain delightfully inoffensive that even calling him a villain is a big stretch]]. Even when one learns that there's a good reason that he's in Arkham, one kinda feels sorry for him; he has an obsession with fixing things by taking them apart and putting them back together again, because his ''whole life'' has been [[DeusAngstMachina a string of disasters]], one after another. Unfortunately, his attempts to fix things only make them run ''worse''. His attempts to fix stuff like a subway train, an elevator, and a clock tower have lead to people getting hurt or even ''killed''. And, of course, he murdered his abusive grandmother when he tried to take ''her'' apart and put her together again. Despite that, the guy probably [[VillainousRescue saved Batgirl's life]] when she was ''trying to apprehend him'' but injured herself by dislocating her shoulders in a fall (one case where he was able to put something together perfectly). However he scares the hell out of his roomate when he mentions that he wants to ''fix'' him as his last attempt [[spoiler: to fix someone was cutting his abusive grandma to pieces to see what was defective.]] He is ineffectual as a villain but he is not harmless.

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* [[EnforcedTrope Enforced]] with Humpty-Dumpty, who is so [[AntiVillain delightfully inoffensive that even calling him a villain is a big stretch]]. Even when one learns that there's a good reason that he's in Arkham, one kinda feels sorry for him; he has an obsession with fixing things by taking them apart and putting them back together again, because his ''whole life'' has been [[DeusAngstMachina a string of disasters]], one after another. Unfortunately, his attempts to fix things only make them run ''worse''. His attempts to fix stuff like a subway train, an elevator, and a clock tower have lead to people getting hurt or even ''killed''. And, of course, he murdered his abusive grandmother when he tried to take ''her'' apart and put her together again. Despite that, the guy probably [[VillainousRescue saved Batgirl's life]] when she was ''trying to apprehend him'' but injured herself by dislocating her shoulders in a fall (one case where he was able to put something together perfectly). However he scares the hell out of his roomate when he mentions that he wants to ''fix'' him as his last attempt [[spoiler: to fix someone was cutting his abusive grandma to pieces to see what was defective.]] He is ineffectual as a villain but he is not harmless.
27th Jul '17 7:56:51 AM LadyJaneGrey
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[[AC:Batman]] has a RogueGalley with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:

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[[AC:Batman]] has a RogueGalley RoguesGallery with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:
27th Jul '17 7:56:13 AM LadyJaneGrey
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[[AC:Batman]] has a RoguesGalley with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:

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[[AC:Batman]] has a RoguesGalley RogueGalley with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:
27th Jul '17 7:55:56 AM LadyJaneGrey
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[[AC:Batman]]

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[[AC:Batman]]
[[AC:Batman]] has a RoguesGalley with some of the best villains in comic history. Sadly, he also has some of the worst:



* Condiment King, an absurd parody of gimmick villains, is this trope [[LampshadeHanging with a lampshade]]. Just dangerous enough to be worthy of Batman and Robin's attention, he has at least the ''potential'' to be a real threat (think "mustard gas", for just one example). However, in practice, he repeatedly gets defeated in a single page. Because he's an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain, he keeps getting parole.

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* Condiment King, an absurd parody of gimmick villains, is this trope [[LampshadeHanging with a lampshade]]. Originally introduced as an original character for ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' where he wasn't a villain, but a brainwashed pawn of the Joker, he eventually emigrated to mainstream comics as a real one. Just dangerous enough to be worthy of Batman and Robin's attention, he has at least the ''potential'' to be a real threat (think "mustard gas", for just one example). However, in practice, he repeatedly gets defeated in a single page. Because he's an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain, he keeps getting parole.
27th Jun '17 1:04:15 PM Austin
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* The Riddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:

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* The Riddler ComicBook/TheRiddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:
18th Jun '17 10:47:19 AM nombretomado
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** One origin story had him as Jalome Beacher, a chemical engineer at a company later to be revealed a mob front. His main achievement? Making a non-stick chemical that can be applied to ''virtually anything.'' When he got fired, Slyde coated a white speed-skater's bodysuit in it. According to ThatOtherWiki, he could glide at about 30 miles/hr, and the coating made him unable to be directly webbed by Spidey. Pads in his gloves let him hold onto objects so they wouldn't slip out, and his maneuverability was much better than most. [[spoiler: His brother Matt, though, was killed by Elektra, and Jalome himself would be killed by Underworld, the nigh-invulnerable hitman of Hammerhead.]]

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** One origin story had him as Jalome Beacher, a chemical engineer at a company later to be revealed a mob front. His main achievement? Making a non-stick chemical that can be applied to ''virtually anything.'' When he got fired, Slyde coated a white speed-skater's bodysuit in it. According to ThatOtherWiki, Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, he could glide at about 30 miles/hr, and the coating made him unable to be directly webbed by Spidey. Pads in his gloves let him hold onto objects so they wouldn't slip out, and his maneuverability was much better than most. [[spoiler: His brother Matt, though, was killed by Elektra, and Jalome himself would be killed by Underworld, the nigh-invulnerable hitman of Hammerhead.]]
5th Jun '17 2:11:32 PM MagBas
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* Egg Fu may have been in a class of himself among Diana's enemies.
** The first was likely one of the worst cases of UnfortunateImplications in comic book history. He was a huge egg with a face that was an insulting caricature of a Chinese man. And he couldn't move. [[EvilCripple At all.]] He was killed the first issue he appeared (after a somewhat clever scheme to turn the heroine and Steve Trevor into living bombs), but he left an heir, it seemed...
** Unfortunately, DC felt a need to revamp him, bringing in Egg Foo the Fifth. (Where were the other three? Nobody knew, nobody cares.) This one was worse than the first, managing to capture the heroine by binding her with her lasso (common practice for misogynist villains she tended to fight) but was done in when she got too close by offering to dance for him.
** Eventually a robot version of Egg Foo called Dr. Yes (a ShoutOut to ''Film/DrNo'') as an enemy of the ComicBook/MetalMen. A slightly better bad guy, still an American-hating bad-guy from China. This one survived and escaped, but didn't return.
** DC would come up with another version post-Crisis, one that gave him a robotic body and a scheme that involved summoning the HorsemenOfTheApocalypse using technology. Sadly, it was still hard to [[NightmareRetardant take a giant, living egg seriously.]], and he was still a blatant Chinese stereotype, so he didn't last, until...
** Finally, the most recent version was named Edgar Fullerton Yeung [[DontExplainTheJoke (get it?)]] who became a regular in ComicStrip/{{Harley Quinn}}'s own title. The [[DenserAndWackier nature of the title]] made him more acceptable when the Chinese background was removed, but he was still a truly incompetent villain who was much happier when Harley hired him as a handyman.


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* Egg Fu may have been in a class of himself among Diana's enemies.
** The first was likely one of the worst cases of UnfortunateImplications in comic book history.
enemies. He was a huge egg with a face that was an insulting caricature of a Chinese man.face. And he couldn't move. [[EvilCripple At all.]] He was killed the first issue he appeared (after a somewhat clever scheme to turn the heroine and Steve Trevor into living bombs), but he left an heir, it seemed...
** Unfortunately, DC felt a need to revamp him, bringing in Egg Foo the Fifth. (Where were the other three? Nobody knew, nobody cares.) This one was worse than the first, managing to capture the heroine by binding her with her lasso (common practice for misogynist villains she tended to fight) but was done in when she got too close by offering to dance for him.
** Eventually a robot version of Egg Foo called Dr. Yes (a ShoutOut to ''Film/DrNo'') as an enemy of the ComicBook/MetalMen. A slightly better bad guy, still an American-hating bad-guy from China.guy. This one survived and escaped, but didn't return.
** DC would come up with another version post-Crisis, one that gave him a robotic body and a scheme that involved summoning the HorsemenOfTheApocalypse using technology. Sadly, it was still hard to [[NightmareRetardant take a giant, living egg seriously.]], and he was still a blatant Chinese stereotype, so he didn't last, until...
** Finally, the most recent version was named Edgar Fullerton Yeung [[DontExplainTheJoke (get it?)]] who became a regular in ComicStrip/{{Harley Quinn}}'s own title. The [[DenserAndWackier nature of the title]] made him more acceptable when the Chinese background was removed, acceptable, but he was still a truly incompetent villain who was much happier when Harley hired him as a handyman.

31st May '17 6:33:57 PM nombretomado
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-->'''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica:''' What the hell do these kids [the YoungAvengers] think they're doing?

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-->'''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica:''' What the hell do these kids [the YoungAvengers] ComicBook/YoungAvengers] think they're doing?
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