History IneffectualSympatheticVillain / ComicBooks

14th Apr '16 2:51:47 AM Shadowgazer
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* ComicBook/Asterix: Quite a few Roman legionaries (at least those who aren't schemers or nationalists) are there to make some fast (and they thought easy) money and get on with their lives and don't care much about the indomitable village or revenge, attacking Gauls only to avoid punishment from their superiors (and in some cases preferring the punishment than the beatdown they will suffer from their intended victims).



* The pirates and Romans in the ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' books.

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* The pirates and most Romans in the ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' books.books. No match for the superpowered Gauls and not smart enough to deal with them in more insidious ways. There are a few Romans who avert this and are quite fearsome schemers however, most notably Julius Caesar himself.
14th Apr '16 2:48:08 AM Shadowgazer
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* ComicBook/Asterix: Quite a few Roman legionaries (at least those who aren't schemers or nationalists) are there to make some fast (and they thought easy) money and get on with their lives and don't care much about the indomitable village or revenge, attacking Gauls only to avoid punishment from their superiors (and in some cases preferring the punishment than the beatdown they will suffer from their intended victims).
13th Apr '16 12:52:33 PM DwayneHicks
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* A good [[HeWhoMustNotBeSeen unseen character]] example is Captain Carnage from ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}''. His ineffectual nature was on purpose: he was a masochist who enjoyed being on the receiving end of fists. He tried this against the wrong person and was killed by falling down an empty elevator shaft.

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* A good [[HeWhoMustNotBeSeen unseen character]] example is Captain Carnage from ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}''. His ineffectual nature was on purpose: he was a masochist who enjoyed being on the receiving end of fists. He fists... until he tried this against the wrong person and was killed by falling it on [[SociopathicHero Rorschach]], who dropped him down an empty elevator shaft.
31st Mar '16 5:56:41 AM Dechstreme
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* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' had Evil Sonic/Anti-Sonic. Before his transformation into the more fearsome Scourge, he was nothing more than a Sonic who wore leather and was supposedly badass-type evil. But, with each appearance, he kept getting worse and worse with his lowest point is being karate-chopped by Antoine completely by accident.

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* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' had Evil Sonic/Anti-Sonic. Before his transformation into the more fearsome Scourge, he was nothing more than a Sonic who wore leather and was supposedly badass-type evil. But, with each appearance, he kept getting worse and worse with his lowest point is being karate-chopped by Antoine completely by accident. He was So lame that Sonic outright called him "a small time thug" at one point long before Antoine Karate chopped him.
29th Jan '16 3:04:49 PM margdean56
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-->'''Wolverine, smirking''': "Yeah, we wouldn't want the Shocker to get out - then we'd really be in trouble."

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-->'''Wolverine, smirking''': "Yeah, we wouldn't want the Shocker to get out - -- then we'd really be in trouble."



** He's fallen to the point that he no longer appears on the local news' supervillain alerts even though ''Stilt-Man'' did. Desperate, he teams up with a similarly washed-up Hydro-Man to [[OneLastJob knock over ONE bank and retire]]. You feel pretty bad for him when Spider-Man not only stops them, but the Shocker accidentally ''evaporates'' Hydro-Man and injures himself to the point that his ''ribs are sticking out of his chest''. "You always said I looked like a pincushion..."

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** He's fallen to the point that he no longer appears on the local news' news's supervillain alerts even though ''Stilt-Man'' did. Desperate, he teams up with a similarly washed-up Hydro-Man to [[OneLastJob knock over ONE bank and retire]]. You feel pretty bad for him when Spider-Man not only stops them, but the Shocker accidentally ''evaporates'' Hydro-Man and injures himself to the point that his ''ribs are sticking out of his chest''. "You always said I looked like a pincushion..."



* The Rhino sometimes gets this treatment. Recently, he underwent a HeelFaceTurn, but [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption this is doomed to fail]]
** There was a two issue story about him in a Spider-Man spinoff focusing on the various other characters in Spidey's life, with his idiocy being what makes him so pathetic. However, he ends up becoming super-intelligent via super science and ends up getting the girl and becoming the strongest crime boss in New York, along with figuring out Spider-Man's true identity. He goes back to being dumb, however, when he ends up being miserable by not being able to connect with people anymore. The Rhino did however apparently gain some notoriety in what may have been his final appearance, in the "Ends of Earth" storyline, [[spoiler: Where he held onto Silver Sable so that she would drown with him in a flooding shaft. He may have failed, however, as the psychic Madame Webb has since told Spider-Man that Silver is not dead. (Which could possibly mean that the Rhino survived as well.)]]
* The Kangaroo is another Spider-Man villain that was a big joke. Originally, a boxer named Frank Oliver gained some impressive leaping abilities by studying kangaroos in Australia, but he couldn't cut it as a crook with such skills. Then he gained super-powered leaping abilities from [[MadScientist Dr. Jonas Harrow]], but even that didn't help him much. Harrow then used a pain-inducing implant to force him to steal a radioactive isotope... Which reduced him to a pile of ashes when he tried. (Harrow was pretty much an IneffectualSympatheticVillain himself.) But this got worse. Someone actually ''admired'' this guy, and years later, became a new Kangaroo. ''This'' one may have fit the HarmlessVillain trope more if he weren't so serious about it. After many failed attempts at crime, he seemed to be killed during the ''Ends of Earth'' storyline by the villainess Lady Deathstrike.
* Without a doubt, the White Rabbit, who Spider-Man has also fought on occasion (well, okay, three times) was one of the worst:
** According to what she herself says, she was a bored young woman who married an aging millionaire (roughly translated, she was a SpoiledBrat and a trophy wife) who inherited his fortune after he died. (She claims that she "cleverly" killed him and he "died happy", but her stories really aren't very reliable.) Why did she turn to crime? Because she was bored. Seriously, the Lewis Carroll theme worked for Batman's enemy the Mad Hatter, but not for this woman, and the only reason she can get Mooks to work for her is because she can pay them more than they could working for other crooks. The only reason she isn't a HarmlessVillain is, as Spider-Man says, she's very likely ''capable'' of murder, and could very well kill someone (or maybe herself) in her insane desire to have fun. In fact, the White Rabbit was such a joke, she was beaten up once by the Grizzly and the Gibbon, two other [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain]] that Spidey had honestly believed were ''no'' threat!
** The White Rabbit actually once teamed up with another guy like this called the Walrus (the name was inspired by The Beatles song, apparently). He claimed to have "the proportionate speed, strength, and agility of a walrus". (Walruses are hardly fast or nimble, and while strong they are larger than a man; which means he'd be slower, weaker, and clumsier than his namesake.) Upon being told of the Walrus' "powers", Spider-Man asks in disbelief if he's [[YouHaveGOTToBeKiddingMe actually serious]]. After responding in the affirmative, Walrus then lands his only major hit on Spider-Man... because Spidey was doubled over in laughter. A few pages later Spidey proceeded to knock him out [[CherryTapping with one flick of a finger.]] Ironically, he does have SuperStrength and is incredibly tough and durable (almost ImmuneToBullets) and he might make a somewhat competent crook if he just tried harder.
** She did manage to become a NotSoHarmlessVillain once, but managed it by dumb luck. While dating the assassin Arcade, the two tried to capture the Black Cat and {{Wolverine}} for a Murderworld-style hit. The plan failed and ended with the two villains deposited in the Savage Land, and she stole a goat's head from a shrine, which let to her being CapturedByCannibals. Arcade managed to flee, leaving her to her fate (calling her stupid as he did), but this is where the dumb luck comes in: the goat's head was a sacred relic, and the savage warriors started worshiping her. It was very easy after that for her to gain revenge on Arcade. Sadly, this success didn't last. Her next appearance was as a member of the Hood's Gang, and who defeated her? SpiderMan's former wife, Mary Jane, who does so defending her boyfriend at a night club.

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* The Rhino sometimes gets this treatment. Recently, he underwent a HeelFaceTurn, but [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption this is doomed to fail]]
fail]].
** There was a two issue story about him in a Spider-Man spinoff focusing on the various other characters in Spidey's life, with his idiocy being what makes him so pathetic. However, he ends up becoming super-intelligent via super science and ends up getting the girl and becoming the strongest crime boss in New York, along with figuring out Spider-Man's true identity. He goes back to being dumb, however, when he ends up being miserable by not being able to connect with people anymore. The Rhino did however apparently gain some notoriety in what may have been his final appearance, in the "Ends of Earth" storyline, [[spoiler: Where where he held onto Silver Sable so that she would drown with him in a flooding shaft. He may have failed, however, as the psychic Madame Webb has since told Spider-Man that Silver is not dead. (Which could possibly mean that the Rhino survived as well.)]]
* The Kangaroo is another Spider-Man villain that was a big joke. Originally, a boxer named Frank Oliver gained some impressive leaping abilities by studying kangaroos in Australia, but he couldn't cut it as a crook with such skills. Then he gained super-powered leaping abilities from [[MadScientist Dr. Jonas Harrow]], but even that didn't help him much. Harrow then used a pain-inducing implant to force him to steal a radioactive isotope... Which which reduced him to a pile of ashes when he tried. (Harrow was pretty much an IneffectualSympatheticVillain himself.) But this got worse. Someone actually ''admired'' this guy, and years later, became a new Kangaroo. ''This'' one may have fit the HarmlessVillain trope more if he weren't so serious about it. After many failed attempts at crime, he seemed to be killed during the ''Ends of Earth'' storyline by the villainess Lady Deathstrike.
* Without a doubt, the White Rabbit, who Spider-Man has also fought on occasion (well, okay, three times) times), was one of the worst:
** According to what she herself says, she was a bored young woman who married an aging millionaire (roughly translated, she was a SpoiledBrat and a trophy wife) who inherited his fortune after he died. (She claims that she "cleverly" killed him and he "died happy", but her stories really aren't very reliable.) Why did she turn to crime? Because she was bored. Seriously, the Lewis Carroll theme worked for Batman's enemy the Mad Hatter, but not for this woman, and the only reason she can get Mooks to work for her is because she can pay them more than they could get working for other crooks. The only reason she isn't a HarmlessVillain is, as Spider-Man says, she's very likely ''capable'' of murder, and could very well kill someone (or maybe herself) in her insane desire to have fun. In fact, the White Rabbit was such a joke, she was beaten up once by the Grizzly and the Gibbon, two other [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain]] Villain]]s that Spidey had honestly believed were ''no'' threat!
** The White Rabbit actually once teamed up with another guy like this called the Walrus (the name was inspired by The Beatles song, apparently). He claimed to have "the proportionate speed, strength, and agility of a walrus". (Walruses are hardly fast or nimble, and while strong they are larger than a man; which means he'd be slower, weaker, and clumsier than his namesake.) Upon being told of the Walrus' Walrus's "powers", Spider-Man asks in disbelief if he's [[YouHaveGOTToBeKiddingMe actually serious]]. After responding in the affirmative, Walrus then lands his only major hit on Spider-Man... because Spidey was doubled over in laughter. A few pages later Spidey proceeded to knock him out [[CherryTapping with one flick of a finger.]] Ironically, he does have SuperStrength and is incredibly tough and durable (almost ImmuneToBullets) and he might make a somewhat competent crook if he just tried harder.
** She did manage to become a NotSoHarmlessVillain once, but managed it by dumb luck. While dating the assassin Arcade, the two tried to capture the Black Cat and {{Wolverine}} for a Murderworld-style hit. The plan failed and ended with the two villains deposited in the Savage Land, and she stole a goat's head from a shrine, which let led to her being CapturedByCannibals. Arcade managed to flee, leaving her to her fate (calling her stupid as he did), but this is where the dumb luck comes in: the goat's head was a sacred relic, and the savage warriors started worshiping her. It was very easy after that for her to gain revenge on Arcade. Sadly, this success didn't last. Her next appearance was as a member of the Hood's Gang, and who defeated her? SpiderMan's former wife, Mary Jane, who does did so defending her boyfriend at a night club.
28th Dec '15 5:29:34 AM Anddrix
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* SelfDemonstrating/TheRiddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheRiddler The Riddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:
19th Dec '15 10:24:54 AM Grudgeal
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* Zodon from ''ComicBook/PS238''. He ''is'' an EvilGenius, and is both intelligent and competent...But he's also seven years old, too cynical to ever be truly malicious (possibly because comparatively victimless crimes like insider trading and '[[NoodleIncident tampering in god's domain]]' means less detention time), and most importantly, is the comic's ChewToy. Almost everything he tries his hand at will, at one point or another, fail horribly. Ironically, Zodon has proven himself much better at aiding the 'good' children (usually unwillingly or very reluctantly), [[spoiler:[[VillainousRescue and also saved the world]] against an AlienInvasion at one point.]]
25th Oct '15 3:42:13 PM BatmanKalEl
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* The Riddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:

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* The Riddler SelfDemonstrating/TheRiddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:
18th Oct '15 2:00:20 AM Anddrix
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* ComicBook/TheRiddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:

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* ComicBook/TheRiddler The Riddler is sometimes this, DependingOnTheWriter:
17th Oct '15 9:56:18 PM nombretomado
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* Franchise/TheDCU villain Dr. Light started out as a formidable foe capable of taking on the Justice League single-handed, but was a victim of severe VillainDecay in UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|of comic books}} and PostCrisis eras, mostly notable for being repeatedly defeated by kids. And while defeat at the hands of the Comicbook/TeenTitans isn't all that shameful, he was ''also'' humiliated by Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, a team of non-powered pre-teens! That all changed with his [[RapeAsDrama rape-the-wife]] moment in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.

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* Franchise/TheDCU villain Dr. Light started out as a formidable foe capable of taking on the Justice League single-handed, but was a victim of severe VillainDecay in UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|of comic books}} and PostCrisis ComicBook/PostCrisis eras, mostly notable for being repeatedly defeated by kids. And while defeat at the hands of the Comicbook/TeenTitans isn't all that shameful, he was ''also'' humiliated by Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, a team of non-powered pre-teens! That all changed with his [[RapeAsDrama rape-the-wife]] moment in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.
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