History IdiotPlot / LiveActionFilm

21st Apr '16 9:24:47 AM Anddrix
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*** You're forgetting two things from Space Seed. If Kirk had admitted to Starfleet that Khan had captured his ship, he'd be court martialed and stripped of command and cashiered. So he dumped Khan and company on Ceti Alpha 5, and told no one. This is why only Checkov knows. And yes, Chechov was a junior officer on the Enterprise, just not yet a bridge officer. Kirk is a "career minded opportunist who has a history of violating the chain of command whenever it suited him." Chang at Kirk's Trial, ST6. Secondly, Ceti Alpha 5, and the entire system was barely known about in Space Seed, and all Kirk had to do was put in a log entry quarantining the system for some Negative Space Wedgie reason, and mark it off limits, forever. And Kirk's butt is covered. Which is why in Wrath, Khan is angry with Kirk for never checking on him. It's entirely possible that the original survey in Space Seed revealed the planets were unstable, and Kirk is secretly condemning Khan to death, being a sneaky bastard, as is his character. This is why Kirk never expected to see Khan again, and why Terrell thought they were on a rescue mission to save a downed freighter.



*** Captain Styles would have been courtmartialed and stripped of command. Yes, Kirk & co should have been given temporary command of Excelsior, but Enterprise is the hero ship. AND the Enterprise, is NOT the Enterprise, but instead the Yorktown, crippled by the whale probe in ST4, and renamed after Kirk saved Earth. Remember, the Yorktown crew were killed when the probe neutralized them and cut off their air.



*** The writer, Roberto Orci, specifically did it because he thought it was cool. PineKirk is his Mary Sue.
21st Apr '16 9:06:40 AM conquerat
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**** The writer, Roberto Orci, specifically did it because he thought it was cool. PineKirk is his Mary Sue.
21st Apr '16 9:01:09 AM conquerat
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**** You're forgetting two things from Space Seed. If Kirk had admitted to Starfleet that Khan had captured his ship, he'd be court martialed and stripped of command and cashiered. So he dumped Khan and company on Ceti Alpha 5, and told no one. This is why only Checkov knows. And yes, Chechov was a junior officer on the Enterprise, just not yet a bridge officer. Kirk is a "career minded opportunist who has a history of violating the chain of command whenever it suited him." Chang at Kirk's Trial, ST6. Secondly, Ceti Alpha 5, and the entire system was barely known about in Space Seed, and all Kirk had to do was put in a log entry quarantining the system for some Negative Space Wedgie reason, and mark it off limits, forever. And Kirk's butt is covered. Which is why in Wrath, Khan is angry with Kirk for never checking on him. It's entirely possible that the original survey in Space Seed revealed the planets were unstable, and Kirk is secretly condemning Khan to death, being a sneaky bastard, as is his character. This is why Kirk never expected to see Khan again, and why Terrell thought they were on a rescue mission to save a downed freighter.


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**** Captain Styles would have been courtmartialed and stripped of command. Yes, Kirk & co should have been given temporary command of Excelsior, but Enterprise is the hero ship. AND the Enterprise, is NOT the Enterprise, but instead the Yorktown, crippled by the whale probe in ST4, and renamed after Kirk saved Earth. Remember, the Yorktown crew were killed when the probe neutralized them and cut off their air.
19th Apr '16 8:45:13 AM Naram-Sin
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* ''Film/MinorityReport''
** OK, so your top Pre-Crime cop is going to commit a murder. Naturally, he needs to be arrested. But, revoke his access to the police station, holding cells and all other high security areas? Never. He goes back in once, much later, and his wife follows suit even later.

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* ''Film/MinorityReport''
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''Film/MinorityReport'': OK, so your top Pre-Crime cop is going to commit a murder. Naturally, he needs to be arrested. But, revoke his access to the police station, holding cells and all other high security areas? Never. He goes back in once, much later, and his wife follows suit even later.
15th Apr '16 7:01:20 PM PurpleAlert
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* ''Film/HardcoreHenry'' is a weirdly complicated one, but the bottom line is that Akan's plan for world domination is designed to shoot himself in the foot. [[spoiler: His plan is to use Henry's memories of his "wife" being kidnapped to motivate his cyborg army, except those memories clearly feature himself as the sadistic, perverted monster who did it. In other words: Akan is making an army of super-soldiers whose only motivation in life is... to kill Akan.]]
10th Apr '16 8:08:37 PM jormis29
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* The three protagonists of ''Film/{{Frozen}}'' (not the Disney movie, a live-action film from a couple years earlier) are this trope, over and over again. Parker doesn't know a thing about how to ski, yet she acts all DamselScrappy and ruins her boyfriend's and his best friend's skiing weekend and setting in motion a catastrophic chain of events that ends up with [[spoiler: the deaths of both men]]. Not that they're entirely blameless either; they decide to bribe a ski lift controller for a last ride. When the resort is going to close for ''five days''. With ''a snowstorm approaching''. They deserved ''everything'' they've got. Dan is to blame too, for having brought his shrill girlfriend along when she clearly should've stayed elsewhere.

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* The three protagonists of ''Film/{{Frozen}}'' ''Film/{{Frozen 2010}}'' (not the Disney movie, a live-action film from a couple years earlier) are this trope, over and over again. Parker doesn't know a thing about how to ski, yet she acts all DamselScrappy and ruins her boyfriend's and his best friend's skiing weekend and setting in motion a catastrophic chain of events that ends up with [[spoiler: the deaths of both men]]. Not that they're entirely blameless either; they decide to bribe a ski lift controller for a last ride. When the resort is going to close for ''five days''. With ''a snowstorm approaching''. They deserved ''everything'' they've got. Dan is to blame too, for having brought his shrill girlfriend along when she clearly should've stayed elsewhere.
3rd Mar '16 10:37:02 AM YasminPerry
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3rd Mar '16 10:34:49 AM YasminPerry
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* The entire plot of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII'' is kept in motion only because the characters make idiotic decisions, don't notice obvious stuff, or just plain act like idiots, in contrast to the first film, which had a rather sophisticated plot. In the film's beginning, Doc decides to take Jennifer & Marty to the future to help out their kids instead of simply telling them to raise their children better so they'll have a better outcome. Furthermore, ''[[WhatAnIdiot Doc brings Jennifer with him to the future]]''. When they arrive in 2015, Doc and Marty don't keep Jennifer locked in a place so she won't see her older self and cause a RealityBreakingParadox. Later on, when Marty is chasing after young!Biff in his car, Biff doesn't notice the person talking loudly in the back of his car in a walkie-talkie to Doc. ''[[OverlyLongGag Then]]'', when 1955!Doc & 1985!Doc are in the same vicinity, 1955!Doc doesn't recognize that 1985!Doc is him from the future even though he ''just watched'' a video of him introducing the DeLorean just ''a few days ago''. We could go on and on.

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* The entire plot of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII'' is kept in motion only because the characters make idiotic decisions, don't notice obvious stuff, or just plain act like idiots, in contrast to the first film, which had a rather sophisticated plot. In the film's beginning, Doc decides to take Jennifer & Marty to the future to help out their kids instead of simply telling them to raise their children better so they'll have a better outcome. Furthermore, ''[[WhatAnIdiot Doc brings Jennifer with him to the future]]''. When they arrive in 2015, Doc and Marty don't keep Jennifer locked in a place the [=DeLorean=] so she won't see her older self and cause a RealityBreakingParadox. Later on, when Marty is chasing after young!Biff in his car, Biff doesn't notice the person talking loudly in the back of his car in a walkie-talkie to Doc. ''[[OverlyLongGag Then]]'', when 1955!Doc & 1985!Doc are in the same vicinity, 1955!Doc doesn't recognize that 1985!Doc is him from the future even though he ''just watched'' just watched a video of him introducing the DeLorean just time-traveling [=DeLorean=] ''a few days ago''. We could go on and on.
3rd Mar '16 10:32:29 AM YasminPerry
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* The entire plot of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartTwo'' is kept in motion only because the characters make idiotic decisions, don't notice obvious stuff, or just plain act like idiots, in contrast to the first film, which had a rather sophisticated plot. In the film's beginning, Doc decides to take Jennifer & Marty to the future to help out their kids instead of simply telling them to raise their children better so they'll have a better outcome. Furthermore, ''[[WhatAnIdiot Doc brings Jennifer with him to the future]]''. When they arrive in 2015, Doc and Marty don't keep Jennifer locked in a place so she won't see her older self and cause a RealityBreakingParadox. Later on, when Marty is chasing after young!Biff in his car, Biff doesn't notice the person talking loudly in the back of his car in a walkie-talkie to Doc. ''[[OverlyLongGag Then]]'', when 1955!Doc & 1985!Doc are in the same vicinity, 1955!Doc doesn't recognize that 1985!Doc is him from the future even though he ''just watched'' a video of him introducing the DeLorean just ''a few days ago''. We could go on and on.

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* The entire plot of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartTwo'' ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII'' is kept in motion only because the characters make idiotic decisions, don't notice obvious stuff, or just plain act like idiots, in contrast to the first film, which had a rather sophisticated plot. In the film's beginning, Doc decides to take Jennifer & Marty to the future to help out their kids instead of simply telling them to raise their children better so they'll have a better outcome. Furthermore, ''[[WhatAnIdiot Doc brings Jennifer with him to the future]]''. When they arrive in 2015, Doc and Marty don't keep Jennifer locked in a place so she won't see her older self and cause a RealityBreakingParadox. Later on, when Marty is chasing after young!Biff in his car, Biff doesn't notice the person talking loudly in the back of his car in a walkie-talkie to Doc. ''[[OverlyLongGag Then]]'', when 1955!Doc & 1985!Doc are in the same vicinity, 1955!Doc doesn't recognize that 1985!Doc is him from the future even though he ''just watched'' a video of him introducing the DeLorean just ''a few days ago''. We could go on and on.
3rd Mar '16 10:31:43 AM YasminPerry
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* The entire plot of ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartTwo'' is kept in motion only because the characters make idiotic decisions, don't notice obvious stuff, or just plain act like idiots, in contrast to the first film, which had a rather sophisticated plot. In the film's beginning, Doc decides to take Jennifer & Marty to the future to help out their kids instead of simply telling them to raise their children better so they'll have a better outcome. Furthermore, ''[[WhatAnIdiot Doc brings Jennifer with him to the future]]''. When they arrive in 2015, Doc and Marty don't keep Jennifer locked in a place so she won't see her older self and cause a RealityBreakingParadox. Later on, when Marty is chasing after young!Biff in his car, Biff doesn't notice the person talking loudly in the back of his car in a walkie-talkie to Doc. ''[[OverlyLongGag Then]]'', when 1955!Doc & 1985!Doc are in the same vicinity, 1955!Doc doesn't recognize that 1985!Doc is him from the future even though he ''just watched'' a video of him introducing the DeLorean just ''a few days ago''. We could go on and on.
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