History IdiotPlot / ComicBooks

19th Sep '17 3:21:55 AM Doug86
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** The Creator/JMichaelStraczynski reboot of Marvel's ''ComicBook/SquadronSupreme'' (a typically Marvel-dark riff on the characters of DC's JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), has large parts of its plot dependent on the chronic tendency (seen before in much of Straczynski's work) for virtually everyone in any kind of government-representative role to be malicious, incompetent, or both.

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** The Creator/JMichaelStraczynski reboot of Marvel's ''ComicBook/SquadronSupreme'' (a typically Marvel-dark riff on the characters of DC's JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), has large parts of its plot dependent on the chronic tendency (seen before in much of Straczynski's work) for virtually everyone in any kind of government-representative role to be malicious, incompetent, or both.
7th Jul '17 8:34:13 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* The basis of ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' depends on the fact that [[spoiler: Barry Allen went back in time to stop Professor Zoom from murdering his mother.]] Despite the fact that he's had experience in knowing that changing the past has never yielded positive results for speedsters, and Zoom boasted that thanks to his Negative Speed Force he could change things without repercussions. Add that [[spoiler: Barry]] didn't really stop to think about what he was going to do and didn't even stop to talk and discuss it with anyone, not [[spoiler: Wally, Jay, Max, or even Bart, who was born in the 31st Century, or Superman, who has the most time travel experience out of the entire Justice League. Then there's the fact that Barry never stopped to think that he could've possibly murdered untold billions just by saving his mother.]] Granted, though, the reason behind this decision makes him a WellIntentionedExtremist.
31st May '17 10:39:23 AM FinalFan
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** Oh, it gets dumber. At one point, Supergirl gets the brilliant idea to try and get the President and Hippolyta to sit down and negotiate. While it seems like a reasonable proposition on paper, she proceeds to do it in the absolute WORST way possible: she busts her way into Air Force One via her FlyingBrick powers, damaging it enough to cause it to crash, and KIDNAPS THE PRESIDENT. Does that even require an explanation for how many levels of EpicFail it contains?
22nd Mar '17 12:41:26 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''ComicBook/Crimson'' gets hit pretty hard with this trope towards the end, when the BigBad's plan is only advanced by the heroes acting like idiots: the mentor Ekimus is instructed to search the Underworld for an imprisoned EldritchAbomination that will tell him how to destroy Lisseth. The problem is that he is told by Lisseth's accomplice Victor Van Fleet and an enemy to Ekimus as well. Then said EldritchAbomination is unwittingly released by Ekimus when it tells him to read an incantation that will destroy Lisseth, but it turns it out frees it from his prison. Its revealed the monster was also in league with Lisseth all along and proceeds to unleash countless horrors upon the world, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero all because of Ekimus' fault]].

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* ''ComicBook/Crimson'' ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'' gets hit pretty hard with this trope towards the end, when the BigBad's plan is only advanced by the heroes acting like idiots: the mentor Ekimus is instructed to search the Underworld for an imprisoned EldritchAbomination that will tell him how to destroy Lisseth. The problem is that he is told by Lisseth's accomplice Victor Van Fleet and an enemy to Ekimus as well. Then said EldritchAbomination is unwittingly released by Ekimus when it tells him to read an incantation that will destroy Lisseth, but it turns it out frees it from his prison. Its revealed the monster was also in league with Lisseth all along and proceeds to unleash countless horrors upon the world, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero all because of Ekimus' fault]].
4th Mar '17 12:15:42 PM nombretomado
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*** It ended with [[spoiler: Ronin ([[ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} Clint Barton)]]]] actually going on TV and (with understandable shock) rehashing out all the above issues and just how ''mind meltingly stupid'' the people are for accepting a known psychopath as their new leader. Of course, this being the MarvelUniverse, it didn't work.

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*** It ended with [[spoiler: Ronin ([[ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} Clint Barton)]]]] actually going on TV and (with understandable shock) rehashing out all the above issues and just how ''mind meltingly stupid'' the people are for accepting a known psychopath as their new leader. Of course, this being the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, it didn't work.



* The entirety of the {{Marvel|Comics}} ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' storyline. Superheroes and the government lose their minds and start up a pointless brawl over laws that had no authority at the time because one superVILLAIN blew up a school. Writers had a tough time justifying the editorially-mandated behavior of some of the characters. Reed Richards, who'd previously opposed near-identical laws targeting mutants, was infamously given ''three'' separate reasons for joining the pro-registration side.

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* The entirety of the {{Marvel|Comics}} Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' storyline. Superheroes and the government lose their minds and start up a pointless brawl over laws that had no authority at the time because one superVILLAIN blew up a school. Writers had a tough time justifying the editorially-mandated behavior of some of the characters. Reed Richards, who'd previously opposed near-identical laws targeting mutants, was infamously given ''three'' separate reasons for joining the pro-registration side.
1st Mar '17 12:54:44 PM DLMaximum1
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** Arcade's game structure fits the bill first and foremost. His game is so poorly designed it requires three direct interventions to get '''one''' victim to play along. How is this poor research? In citing (indirectly) ''Hunger Games'' and ''Battle Royale'' he has outlines of games that were specifically structured to avoid inaction. One possible reason would be the third source of his in-universe influences, and only piece directly cited: ''Lord of the Flies''. However, that too makes the interventions signs of CriticalResearchFailure. Each intervention undermines the core points of ''Lord of the Flies'': TeenageWasteland, KidsAreCruel, etc. In a sense, Arcade lost from the very beginning. Several times over.
** Arcade's overall goal for this series (to gain respect from his peers) hit this trope in two ways: 1) He aims low by targeting children and teenagers rather than experienced heroes; 2) By targeting children, he is more likely to anger his peers gain their adoration - those who harm children are generally not well treated in prisons. Otto Octavius demonstrated his disgust with villains who harmed children in the same basic time frame.

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** Arcade's game structure fits the bill first and foremost. His game is so poorly designed it requires three direct interventions to get '''one''' victim to play along. How is this poor research? In citing (indirectly) ''Hunger Games'' and ''Battle Royale'' Royale'', he has outlines of games that were specifically structured to avoid inaction. One possible reason would be the third source of his in-universe influences, and only piece directly cited: ''Lord of the Flies''. However, that too makes the interventions signs of CriticalResearchFailure. Each intervention undermines the core points of ''Lord of the Flies'': TeenageWasteland, KidsAreCruel, etc. In a sense, Arcade lost from the very beginning. Several times over.
** Arcade's overall goal for this series (to gain respect from his peers) hit this trope in two ways: 1) He aims low by targeting children and teenagers rather than experienced heroes; 2) By targeting children, he is more likely to anger his peers than gain their adoration - those who harm children are generally not well treated in prisons. Otto Octavius demonstrated his disgust with villains who harmed children in the same basic time frame.
1st Mar '17 12:48:17 PM DLMaximum1
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** Even if none of the heroes could have helped, Doctor Doom has been shown to have the mystical and technological means to do so and ought to have been willing just because it would have A) lead to a prominent hero owing him a favor, and more importantly B) it would have given him yet another opportunity to rub his superiority in Reed Richards' face.

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** Even if none of the heroes could have helped, Doctor Doom has been shown to have the mystical and technological means to do so and ought to have been willing just because it would have A) lead to a prominent hero owing him a favor, favor and more importantly importantly, B) it would have given him yet another opportunity to rub his superiority in Reed Richards' face.
1st Mar '17 12:45:54 PM DLMaximum1
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1st Mar '17 12:44:43 PM DLMaximum1
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** The sheer number of idiotic things that happen in it is ''phenomenal'', and the amount of dumb that goes into both ComicBook/SpiderMan's decision to make a deal with Mephisto and Mephisto's decision to make a deal with Spider-Man could fill up a page (it filled several minutes of review time when Linkara explained it); but special credit? To the ENTIRE MARVEL SUPERHERO COMMUNITY. Peter Parker's Aunt May gets shot by an assassin and is dying. Apparently the doctors can't save her. So Spider-Man runs all over the world, seeking out his ''dozens and dozens'' of superhero friends who have fantastic powers, abilities, and technologies that can save her... except they don't. Every single superhero throws up their hands and basically says that while they are capable of fighting ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, bullet wounds are too much for them to handle, including Comicbook/DoctorStrange, the Sorcerer Supreme; [[TheMedic Elixir]], an X-Men member whose ''entire mutant power'' is healing wounds (he has total control over the biochemistry of anyone he touches, meaning that there's literally ''no'' wound he can't heal); and every single one of the Marvel universe's impressive cadre of supergeniuses. In the words of [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2902721.html?thread=97289665#cmt97289665 one scans_daily member]], the entire process went something like:

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** The sheer number of idiotic things that happen in it is ''phenomenal'', and the amount of dumb that goes into both ComicBook/SpiderMan's decision to make a deal with Mephisto and Mephisto's decision to make a deal with Spider-Man could fill up a page (it filled several minutes of review time when Linkara explained it); but where does the special credit? To the credit go to? The ENTIRE MARVEL SUPERHERO COMMUNITY. Peter Parker's Aunt May gets shot by an assassin and is dying. Apparently the doctors can't save her. So Spider-Man runs all over the world, seeking out his ''dozens and dozens'' of superhero friends who have fantastic powers, abilities, and technologies that can save her... except they don't. Every single superhero throws up their hands and basically says that while they are capable of fighting ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, bullet wounds are too much for them to handle, including Comicbook/DoctorStrange, the Sorcerer Supreme; [[TheMedic Elixir]], an X-Men member whose ''entire mutant power'' is healing wounds (he has total control over the biochemistry of anyone he touches, meaning that there's literally ''no'' wound he can't heal); and every single one of the Marvel universe's impressive cadre of supergeniuses. In the words of [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2902721.html?thread=97289665#cmt97289665 one scans_daily member]], the entire process went something like:
1st Mar '17 12:41:28 PM DLMaximum1
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** While many of the stories contained are actually pretty good, this requires a number of ''astoundingly moronic'' things to occur to set up its scenario. After an earthquake and ebola outbreak, the United States government decides Gotham is no longer part of the U.S. because it would be too pricey to fix, blows up all the bridges leading to it, and bans people from going in or leaving from it. Leaving aside the immense political improbability of this, it apparently keeps out most superheroes, who don't even try to help. This includes ones who have no reason at all to respect this order, such as ComicBook/{{Green Lantern}}s. Superman shows up, but ''[[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham somehow]]'' decides he's no use there. Even though the perennial excuse for why Superman can't help with such and such a problem is that he's dealing with an earthquake or a flood or something in a Third World country, so it's pretty well established that he knows what to do in these situations - certainly better than Batman, who's never demonstrated having any experience with large-scale disasters. But no, no one helps. The entire world just writes off a major city as too much trouble.

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** While many of the stories contained are actually pretty good, this requires a number of ''astoundingly moronic'' things to occur to set up its scenario. After an earthquake and ebola outbreak, the United States government decides Gotham is no longer part of the U.S. because it would be too pricey to fix, blows up all the bridges leading to it, and bans people from going in or leaving from it. Leaving aside the immense political improbability of this, it apparently keeps out most superheroes, who don't even try to help. This includes ones those who have no reason at all to respect this order, such as ComicBook/{{Green Lantern}}s. Superman shows up, but ''[[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham somehow]]'' decides he's no use there. Even though the perennial excuse for why Superman can't couldn't help with such and such a problem is that he's dealing with an earthquake or a flood or something in a Third World country, so it's pretty well established that he knows what to do in these situations - certainly better than Batman, who's never demonstrated having any experience with large-scale disasters. But no, no one helps. The entire world just writes off a major city as too much trouble.
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