History IdiotPlot / ComicBooks

24th Apr '18 3:54:59 PM Alvin
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** In the short story where Superman shows up and ''somehow'' decides he's no use, he effortlessly defeats Mister Freeze and repairs an entire power plant with his powers and the guidance of the chief engineer. Although this restores power, the lawless citizens immediately form a new violent gang under the chief engineer's banner and flood him and Supes with more responsibility than they know what to do with. Superman takes off after Batman gives him a stern talking to. Now why Supes doesn't just fix say, the entire city instead...

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** In the short story where Superman shows up and ''somehow'' decides he's no use, he effortlessly defeats Mister Freeze and repairs an entire power plant with his powers and the guidance of the chief engineer. Although this restores power, the lawless citizens immediately form a new violent gang under the chief engineer's banner and flood him and Supes with more responsibility than they know what to do with. Superman takes off after Batman gives him a stern talking to.talking-to. Now why Supes doesn't just fix say, the entire city instead...



** Even if none of the heroes could have helped, Doctor Doom has been shown to have the mystical and technological means to do so and ought to have been willing just because it would have A) lead to a prominent hero owing him a favor and more importantly, B) it would have given him yet another opportunity to rub his superiority in Reed Richards' face.

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** Even if none of the heroes could have helped, Doctor Doom has been shown to have the mystical and technological means to do so and ought to have been willing just because it would have A) lead led to a prominent hero owing him a favor and more importantly, B) it would have given him yet another opportunity to rub his superiority in Reed Richards' face.
16th Mar '18 3:31:00 PM nombretomado
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** The most {{egregious}} example is in the story of Mark Milton, or "Hyperion," the {{Franchise/Superman}}-[[CaptainErsatz analogue]]: when a superpowered child falls from the sky in a spaceship, he is taken within minutes by the government and put in the custody of two dedicated agents, who pretend to be married so they can raise him as an American citizen in an artificially created (and heavily-monitored) "perfect family environment". However, with all the effort put into creating this environment, it somehow fails to occur to ''anyone'' in the project that getting an ''actually-married couple'' to play the role of Mom and Pop would be far easier on the agents, far more psychologically healthy for the child, and far safer should he ever, oh, ''find out'' about any of this. And the most egregious part of the most egregious example? The monster who originates this heartless scheme is... um, ''UsefulNotes/JimmyCarter?'' ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons "He's history's greatest monster!"]]''

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** The most {{egregious}} {{JustForFun/egregious}} example is in the story of Mark Milton, or "Hyperion," the {{Franchise/Superman}}-[[CaptainErsatz analogue]]: when a superpowered child falls from the sky in a spaceship, he is taken within minutes by the government and put in the custody of two dedicated agents, who pretend to be married so they can raise him as an American citizen in an artificially created (and heavily-monitored) "perfect family environment". However, with all the effort put into creating this environment, it somehow fails to occur to ''anyone'' in the project that getting an ''actually-married couple'' to play the role of Mom and Pop would be far easier on the agents, far more psychologically healthy for the child, and far safer should he ever, oh, ''find out'' about any of this. And the most egregious part of the most egregious example? The monster who originates this heartless scheme is... um, ''UsefulNotes/JimmyCarter?'' ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons "He's history's greatest monster!"]]''
26th Jan '18 2:19:43 PM Frankencastle
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** The ''entire Amazon race'' (the only apparent exception being Wonder Woman herself) carries an IdiotBall the size of the moon. On the advice of Circe, an evil goddess who has tried to exterminate the Amazons on multiple occasions, they decide to declare war on one of the most powerful nations in the world; one that is home to many of the strongest superheroes in the Franchise/TheDCU. The end result? The Amazon race is scattered across the world, the entire USA hates them, and the reputations of heroes associated with them (Franchise/WonderWoman, ComicBook/WonderGirl, Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} to name a few) are left tarnished.

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** The ''entire Amazon race'' (the only apparent exception being Wonder Woman herself) carries an IdiotBall the size of the moon. On the advice of Circe, an evil goddess who has tried to exterminate the Amazons on multiple occasions, they decide to declare war on one of the most powerful nations in the world; one that is home to many of the strongest superheroes in the Franchise/TheDCU. The end result? The Amazon race is scattered across the world, the entire USA hates American public despises them, and the reputations of heroes associated with them (Franchise/WonderWoman, ComicBook/WonderGirl, Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} to name a few) are left tarnished.
24th Jan '18 8:06:15 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* Long story short - your average CrisisCrossover will almost definitely feature some degree of this, since both DC and Marvel make heavy use of [[SharedUniverse Shared Universes]] with ''dozens'' of superheroes, most of whom have experience and with everything from TimeTravel to [[EvilTwin Evil Twins]] and half of whom probably boast at least one StoryBreakerPower (the go-to example probably being ComicBook/WonderWoman's Lasso of Truth, which should by all accounts make any long-term deception from the villains impossible). Without [[ConflictBall Conflict]] and [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] being passed out like candy, any threat from any villain short of an EldritchAbomination like Galactus would probably be resolved by Page Three.
19th Sep '17 3:21:55 AM Doug86
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** The Creator/JMichaelStraczynski reboot of Marvel's ''ComicBook/SquadronSupreme'' (a typically Marvel-dark riff on the characters of DC's JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), has large parts of its plot dependent on the chronic tendency (seen before in much of Straczynski's work) for virtually everyone in any kind of government-representative role to be malicious, incompetent, or both.

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** The Creator/JMichaelStraczynski reboot of Marvel's ''ComicBook/SquadronSupreme'' (a typically Marvel-dark riff on the characters of DC's JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica), has large parts of its plot dependent on the chronic tendency (seen before in much of Straczynski's work) for virtually everyone in any kind of government-representative role to be malicious, incompetent, or both.
7th Jul '17 8:34:13 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* The basis of ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' depends on the fact that [[spoiler: Barry Allen went back in time to stop Professor Zoom from murdering his mother.]] Despite the fact that he's had experience in knowing that changing the past has never yielded positive results for speedsters, and Zoom boasted that thanks to his Negative Speed Force he could change things without repercussions. Add that [[spoiler: Barry]] didn't really stop to think about what he was going to do and didn't even stop to talk and discuss it with anyone, not [[spoiler: Wally, Jay, Max, or even Bart, who was born in the 31st Century, or Superman, who has the most time travel experience out of the entire Justice League. Then there's the fact that Barry never stopped to think that he could've possibly murdered untold billions just by saving his mother.]] Granted, though, the reason behind this decision makes him a WellIntentionedExtremist.
31st May '17 10:39:23 AM FinalFan
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** Oh, it gets dumber. At one point, Supergirl gets the brilliant idea to try and get the President and Hippolyta to sit down and negotiate. While it seems like a reasonable proposition on paper, she proceeds to do it in the absolute WORST way possible: she busts her way into Air Force One via her FlyingBrick powers, damaging it enough to cause it to crash, and KIDNAPS THE PRESIDENT. Does that even require an explanation for how many levels of EpicFail it contains?
22nd Mar '17 12:41:26 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''ComicBook/Crimson'' gets hit pretty hard with this trope towards the end, when the BigBad's plan is only advanced by the heroes acting like idiots: the mentor Ekimus is instructed to search the Underworld for an imprisoned EldritchAbomination that will tell him how to destroy Lisseth. The problem is that he is told by Lisseth's accomplice Victor Van Fleet and an enemy to Ekimus as well. Then said EldritchAbomination is unwittingly released by Ekimus when it tells him to read an incantation that will destroy Lisseth, but it turns it out frees it from his prison. Its revealed the monster was also in league with Lisseth all along and proceeds to unleash countless horrors upon the world, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero all because of Ekimus' fault]].

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* ''ComicBook/Crimson'' ''{{ComicBook/Crimson}}'' gets hit pretty hard with this trope towards the end, when the BigBad's plan is only advanced by the heroes acting like idiots: the mentor Ekimus is instructed to search the Underworld for an imprisoned EldritchAbomination that will tell him how to destroy Lisseth. The problem is that he is told by Lisseth's accomplice Victor Van Fleet and an enemy to Ekimus as well. Then said EldritchAbomination is unwittingly released by Ekimus when it tells him to read an incantation that will destroy Lisseth, but it turns it out frees it from his prison. Its revealed the monster was also in league with Lisseth all along and proceeds to unleash countless horrors upon the world, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero all because of Ekimus' fault]].
4th Mar '17 12:15:42 PM nombretomado
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*** It ended with [[spoiler: Ronin ([[ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} Clint Barton)]]]] actually going on TV and (with understandable shock) rehashing out all the above issues and just how ''mind meltingly stupid'' the people are for accepting a known psychopath as their new leader. Of course, this being the MarvelUniverse, it didn't work.

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*** It ended with [[spoiler: Ronin ([[ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} Clint Barton)]]]] actually going on TV and (with understandable shock) rehashing out all the above issues and just how ''mind meltingly stupid'' the people are for accepting a known psychopath as their new leader. Of course, this being the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, it didn't work.



* The entirety of the {{Marvel|Comics}} ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' storyline. Superheroes and the government lose their minds and start up a pointless brawl over laws that had no authority at the time because one superVILLAIN blew up a school. Writers had a tough time justifying the editorially-mandated behavior of some of the characters. Reed Richards, who'd previously opposed near-identical laws targeting mutants, was infamously given ''three'' separate reasons for joining the pro-registration side.

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* The entirety of the {{Marvel|Comics}} Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' storyline. Superheroes and the government lose their minds and start up a pointless brawl over laws that had no authority at the time because one superVILLAIN blew up a school. Writers had a tough time justifying the editorially-mandated behavior of some of the characters. Reed Richards, who'd previously opposed near-identical laws targeting mutants, was infamously given ''three'' separate reasons for joining the pro-registration side.
1st Mar '17 12:54:44 PM DLMaximum1
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** Arcade's game structure fits the bill first and foremost. His game is so poorly designed it requires three direct interventions to get '''one''' victim to play along. How is this poor research? In citing (indirectly) ''Hunger Games'' and ''Battle Royale'' he has outlines of games that were specifically structured to avoid inaction. One possible reason would be the third source of his in-universe influences, and only piece directly cited: ''Lord of the Flies''. However, that too makes the interventions signs of CriticalResearchFailure. Each intervention undermines the core points of ''Lord of the Flies'': TeenageWasteland, KidsAreCruel, etc. In a sense, Arcade lost from the very beginning. Several times over.
** Arcade's overall goal for this series (to gain respect from his peers) hit this trope in two ways: 1) He aims low by targeting children and teenagers rather than experienced heroes; 2) By targeting children, he is more likely to anger his peers gain their adoration - those who harm children are generally not well treated in prisons. Otto Octavius demonstrated his disgust with villains who harmed children in the same basic time frame.

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** Arcade's game structure fits the bill first and foremost. His game is so poorly designed it requires three direct interventions to get '''one''' victim to play along. How is this poor research? In citing (indirectly) ''Hunger Games'' and ''Battle Royale'' Royale'', he has outlines of games that were specifically structured to avoid inaction. One possible reason would be the third source of his in-universe influences, and only piece directly cited: ''Lord of the Flies''. However, that too makes the interventions signs of CriticalResearchFailure. Each intervention undermines the core points of ''Lord of the Flies'': TeenageWasteland, KidsAreCruel, etc. In a sense, Arcade lost from the very beginning. Several times over.
** Arcade's overall goal for this series (to gain respect from his peers) hit this trope in two ways: 1) He aims low by targeting children and teenagers rather than experienced heroes; 2) By targeting children, he is more likely to anger his peers than gain their adoration - those who harm children are generally not well treated in prisons. Otto Octavius demonstrated his disgust with villains who harmed children in the same basic time frame.
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