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10th Dec '16 12:21:17 PM LongLiveHumour
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** The Johto-era "The Poké Spokesman" is a fun episode whose intriguing premise, a man who claims to understand PokemonSpeak, is ruined by the repeated assertion that Pokémon cannot understand humans. No-one, not the nurse with a Pokémon subordinate, not the gym leaders, not the career Pokémon trainer, disputes this. Meanwhile the interpreter is rescued by Team Rocket - one of whose members is a ''talking Pokémon'' - on the grounds that his talent will make them a mint.
11th Nov '16 11:49:58 PM Tyrathius
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*** Trunks doesn't use his full power when trying to stop Cell from absorbing 18, because he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's fragile ego by revealing he's stronger than him.
7th Nov '16 12:20:50 AM Loekman3
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* The Cell saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' brought out the worst in most of the main cast. Every step in Cell's progress was the direct result of a protagonist's mistake:
** Piccolo's urge to destroy 17 [[HonorBeforeReason and save the day]] provided a huge energy beacon [[SpiderSense to pinpoint their location]].
** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilized Cell for a long while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to greater effect against him ''before'' he absorbed 17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]], destroying the remote instead of keeping it as a back-up plan, and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.
** Cell wasn't immune, either - giving them ten days training could be reasonably considered a bad move on the off-chance they have some massive power-booster than takes a few days, such as, maybe, a YearInsideHourOutside training room.
** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.
** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank Senzu]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.
** And Gohan's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide blind rage and thirst for revenge]] caused Cell to become [[TakingYouWithMe truly desperate]], leading to Goku's HeroicSacrifice.
** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.

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* Much of the problems or conflicts in ''Franchise/DragonBall'' either started or worsens because the Z-Fighters but especially Goku and Vegeta almost never took their enemies seriously, preferring to let their enemies power-up in favor of simply finishing them off just for a good fight regardless of the consequences for the whole universe if they remained undefeated.
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The Cell saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' brought out the worst in most of the main cast. Every step in Cell's progress was the direct result of a protagonist's mistake:
** *** Piccolo's urge to destroy 17 [[HonorBeforeReason and save the day]] provided a huge energy beacon [[SpiderSense to pinpoint their location]].
** *** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilized Cell for a long while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to greater effect against him ''before'' he absorbed 17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** *** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]], destroying the remote instead of keeping it as a back-up plan, and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.
** *** Cell wasn't immune, either - giving them ten days training could be reasonably considered a bad move on the off-chance they have some massive power-booster than takes a few days, such as, maybe, a YearInsideHourOutside training room.
** *** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.
** *** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank Senzu]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.
** *** And Gohan's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide blind rage and thirst for revenge]] caused Cell to become [[TakingYouWithMe truly desperate]], leading to Goku's HeroicSacrifice.
** *** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
25th Oct '16 10:12:46 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.

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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them him in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.
25th Oct '16 10:11:49 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed...

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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.
25th Oct '16 10:09:34 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed...
5th Sep '16 10:33:57 AM CabbitGirlEmi
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** A handful of later episodes have some dumb plots. [[TakeOurWordForIt Naming how many may take up too much space on this page.]]

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** A handful of later episodes have some dumb plots. [[TakeOurWordForIt [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Naming how many may take up too much space on this page.]]
22nd Aug '16 11:09:17 PM ShorinBJ
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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised Cell for a long while, probably have been used to significant effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell absorbed Android 17 and transformed. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.

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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised immobilized Cell for a long while, while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to significant greater effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell him ''before'' he absorbed Android 17 and transformed.17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.



** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero's location and then kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others tried to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell becoming perfect and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.

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** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero's location Gero and then kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others tried trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell becoming perfect to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
29th Jul '16 7:21:53 PM Doug86
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* ''SonicX'' takes this to absurd proportions when ''everyone on the planet'' fails to remember basic astronomy facts for a couple of episodes, except Sonic himself, amusingly enough. Eggman rigs the moon to block out the sun, making it look like the moon pretty much stopped, along with the sun. Nobody finds this fishy because they've forgotten that the moon revolves around the Earth, and the Earth around the sun, not to mention the Earth spins on an embarrassingly wonky axis. Eggman takes the opportunity to try and {{brainwash|ed}} everyone with the lamps he sells, only to have his plan foiled by Sonic yet again, because he was the only one not holding on to the gigantic IdiotBall. The ball in this case being more of an Idiot Moon.

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* ''SonicX'' ''Anime/SonicX'' takes this to absurd proportions when ''everyone on the planet'' fails to remember basic astronomy facts for a couple of episodes, except Sonic himself, amusingly enough. Eggman rigs the moon to block out the sun, making it look like the moon pretty much stopped, along with the sun. Nobody finds this fishy because they've forgotten that the moon revolves around the Earth, and the Earth around the sun, not to mention the Earth spins on an embarrassingly wonky axis. Eggman takes the opportunity to try and {{brainwash|ed}} everyone with the lamps he sells, only to have his plan foiled by Sonic yet again, because he was the only one not holding on to the gigantic IdiotBall. The ball in this case being more of an Idiot Moon.
13th Jul '16 5:55:56 PM lavendermintrose
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* [[spoiler:The Black Knights betrayal of Zero]] in ''Anime/CodeGeass.'' Several years since the show has ended and it ''still'' is the most controversial element of the series. After [[spoiler:Schneizel reveals that Zero is Lelouch, former prince of Britannia, and a wielder of Geass,]] they take his word for it with almost no argument. They then hold [[spoiler:Zero/Lelouch]] '''at gun point''', demanding a confession from him. While [[spoiler:Schneizel]] was technically telling the truth, he was still their enemy, and no one bothered to question whether he was lying or manipulating them. They also don't figure out that their ability to mutiny proves that [[spoiler:Zero had not, as Schniezel claimed, Geassed them into obedience.]]



* The plan of the Capulet retainers in ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet'' is not ''that'' dumb at first glance, since it ''is'' a sound move to hide Juliet aka the SoleSurvivor of their Clan and [[RaisedAsTheOppositeGender make her live her early life as a boy]] to protect her from the Montague group. What's unforgivably stupid is to ''not explain to Juliet WHY she's forced into hiding and crossdressing until her DangerousSixteenthBirthday'': that means poor Juliet is completely unprepared to become the leaderess of the group and command them against the tyrannical Montague regime, and it takes a HEAVY mental/emotional toll on her. Not to mention, by that time she has already met the MadDictatorsHandsomeSon [[StarCrossedLovers and is falling for him...]]



* In ''Manga/AnatoliaStory'', one arc involves [[BigBad Nakia]] arranging for a beautiful peasant girl named Ursula to pose as Yuri in a town where nobody actually met her, all for Ursula/the fake Yuri to be as spoiled and selfish as possible and ruin the real Yuri's reputation. (Not helped by Ursula's DarkAndTroubledPast, which made her desperate to have some wealth after having nothing for years.) The trouble is, the plan is short-term at best and hinges entirely on Kail having more important things to do than go out ''right then and there'' to deal with the matter. Yuri, meanwhile, ''does'' go out immediately... but chooses to do so by riding out on her own, with no proof of her identity or anyone with her who could creditably identify her. As a result, nobody (including, amusingly enough, ''Ursula'') believes her. She does try to meet with the king of the city-state they're in, hoping that he might recognize her, but her plan to get into the palace and meet him fails when she loses her temper at the sight of Ursula's selfishness and, as a result, is basically given a death sentence via [[TheUriahGambit being sent]] to tend to [[ThePlague plague victims.]] Kail, meanwhile, ends the entire thing simply by showing up and confirming which Yuri is the real one. This is lampshaded later, when he says that the entire issue could have been avoided if Yuri had simply presented herself as a princess; this served to show that she had to be more comfortable with the fact that she is, in fact, royalty.
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