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16th May '17 8:34:21 PM Megafierce
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*** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.

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*** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on for Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
16th Apr '17 4:25:26 PM Wyldchyld
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* Pretty much every time the Central 46 in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' make any kind of decision, horrible things will happen in Soul Society because of their sheer stupidity or {{Jerkass}} tendencies. Most of this occurs in {{Filler}} of course, but some of it is in the manga and thus canon, which means that all of the Council must be clutching an IdiotBall.

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* Pretty much every time the Central 46 in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' make any kind of decision, horrible things will happen in Soul Society because of their sheer stupidity or {{Jerkass}} tendencies. Most of this occurs in {{Filler}} of course, but some of it is in the manga and thus canon, which means that all of the Council must be clutching an IdiotBall. This is lampshaded in-universe by various characters; when Ukitake and Kyouraku defy the order to have Rukia executed, their argument with Yamamoto, who fights them over their 'betrayal' is all about blindly following the rules versus standing up against the rules for the sake of justice. Ichigo and Byakuya have the exact same argument when they fight. By the end of the manga, Soul Society has been changed enough by Ichigo's beliefs that the Central 46 is [[AllThereInTheManual done away with completely]] in favour of a more progressive system.
28th Feb '17 6:38:23 AM flodoris
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** And on a much larger scale, the only reason there's any plot at all is because the BigBad apparently never considered personally capturing Naruto ''before'' he became powerful enough to challenge him. Given his teleportation powers, it would have been a simple matter for him to snatch Naruto whenever he wanted, but he doesn't actually try until after Naruto [[spoiler:gained full control of the Kyuubi's power,]] and is actually capable of putting up a fight. It wouldn't even have been hard, just pick any of the dozens of times before he got Jiraiya's supervision where he was either on his own, or only with other low level ninja and snatch him. It's not even in his own home village either, it's his JOB to routinely leave the village on little missions with only one mentor protecting him.
*** Here's your obligatory HandWave: It was because [[spoiler: [[FakeDefector Itachi Uchiha]] was in his way the whole time. Itachi joined Akatsuki to ensure it would not lay a finger on Sasuke or the Leaf. He would have intervened if Tobi tried to attack Konoha in ANY way, shape, or form. That includes going after Naruto. Up until Itachi died, Tobi put on an ObfuscatingStupidity act. When he kicked the bucket, Tobi made his move.]] However that doesn't explain why he didn't do it before then.
*** A possible explanation there verges on VoodooShark. Every other jinchuuriki was successfully captured without significant resistance by their village because none of them cared that their ''walking weapons of mass destruction'' were being stolen by an organization of criminals. The reason Naruto and B were left for last was simply because they were the only ones their respective Kages actually cared about.
*** The canon explanation is that the Kyuubi has to be sealed last, so it makes sense to leave it last--though, admittedly, that does run the risk of losing the Kyuubi if Naruto is fighting somewhere else and dies (the Kyuubi will eventually be reborn, but after an indeterminate time). It is also established that Tobi wanted Naruto and Sasuke to fight each other first (for reasons unknown, but possibly related to his obsessions--[[spoiler: since he is Obito, Naruto reminded him of his old self, so he wanted Sasuke to beat him to prove his old way of thinking wrong...as a wild guess]]). Its later established that he doesn't need the Bijuu ''per say'', just a certain amount of their chakra, though the full Bijuu is preferred. He manages to get both without capturing either B or Naruto, because sources of their Bijuu's chakra was elsewhere (in a lost limb of the 8-tails and with two deceased villains for the 9-tails, respectively).
10th Dec '16 12:21:17 PM LongLiveHumour
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** The Johto-era "The Poké Spokesman" is a fun episode whose intriguing premise, a man who claims to understand PokemonSpeak, is ruined by the repeated assertion that Pokémon cannot understand humans. No-one, not the nurse with a Pokémon subordinate, not the gym leaders, not the career Pokémon trainer, disputes this. Meanwhile the interpreter is rescued by Team Rocket - one of whose members is a ''talking Pokémon'' - on the grounds that his talent will make them a mint.
11th Nov '16 11:49:58 PM Tyrathius
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*** Trunks doesn't use his full power when trying to stop Cell from absorbing 18, because he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's fragile ego by revealing he's stronger than him.
7th Nov '16 12:20:50 AM Loekman3
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* The Cell saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' brought out the worst in most of the main cast. Every step in Cell's progress was the direct result of a protagonist's mistake:
** Piccolo's urge to destroy 17 [[HonorBeforeReason and save the day]] provided a huge energy beacon [[SpiderSense to pinpoint their location]].
** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilized Cell for a long while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to greater effect against him ''before'' he absorbed 17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]], destroying the remote instead of keeping it as a back-up plan, and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.
** Cell wasn't immune, either - giving them ten days training could be reasonably considered a bad move on the off-chance they have some massive power-booster than takes a few days, such as, maybe, a YearInsideHourOutside training room.
** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.
** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank Senzu]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.
** And Gohan's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide blind rage and thirst for revenge]] caused Cell to become [[TakingYouWithMe truly desperate]], leading to Goku's HeroicSacrifice.
** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.

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* Much of the problems or conflicts in ''Franchise/DragonBall'' either started or worsens because the Z-Fighters but especially Goku and Vegeta almost never took their enemies seriously, preferring to let their enemies power-up in favor of simply finishing them off just for a good fight regardless of the consequences for the whole universe if they remained undefeated.
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The Cell saga of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' brought out the worst in most of the main cast. Every step in Cell's progress was the direct result of a protagonist's mistake:
** *** Piccolo's urge to destroy 17 [[HonorBeforeReason and save the day]] provided a huge energy beacon [[SpiderSense to pinpoint their location]].
** *** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilized Cell for a long while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to greater effect against him ''before'' he absorbed 17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** *** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]], destroying the remote instead of keeping it as a back-up plan, and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.
** *** Cell wasn't immune, either - giving them ten days training could be reasonably considered a bad move on the off-chance they have some massive power-booster than takes a few days, such as, maybe, a YearInsideHourOutside training room.
** *** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.
** *** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank Senzu]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.
** *** And Gohan's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide blind rage and thirst for revenge]] caused Cell to become [[TakingYouWithMe truly desperate]], leading to Goku's HeroicSacrifice.
** *** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero and kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
25th Oct '16 10:12:46 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.

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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them him in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.
25th Oct '16 10:11:49 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed...

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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed... Plus, the JSDF's weaponry failures were handwaved with a few lines about the chemicals interfering with their systems and wrecking havoc on them.
25th Oct '16 10:09:34 AM NapoleonDeCheese
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** It doesn't excuse all the plot holes, but the salaryman doesn't even seem aware of the stink (he does notice the gas, however) until the very end, when he finally comments on it, and the movie was made before everyone in Japan and elsewhere had cellphones to call each other through. Otherwise, everybody who approached the salaryman died before being able to explain anything, even with protection, and the American soldiers in extra special protection bringing them in at the end probably didn't know Japanese. Which is a big stupid thing on its own, but considering how smugly overconfident their Commander seemed...
5th Sep '16 10:33:57 AM CabbitGirlEmi
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** A handful of later episodes have some dumb plots. [[TakeOurWordForIt Naming how many may take up too much space on this page.]]

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** A handful of later episodes have some dumb plots. [[TakeOurWordForIt [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Naming how many may take up too much space on this page.]]
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