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22nd Aug '16 11:09:17 PM ShorinBJ
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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised Cell for a long while, probably have been used to significant effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell absorbed Android 17 and transformed. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.

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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised immobilized Cell for a long while, while even after he got a massive power boost from absorbing Android 17, probably have been used to significant greater effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell him ''before'' he absorbed Android 17 and transformed.17. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.



** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero's location and then kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others tried to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell becoming perfect and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.

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** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero's location Gero and then kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others tried trying to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell becoming perfect to reach his final form and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
29th Jul '16 7:21:53 PM Doug86
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* ''SonicX'' takes this to absurd proportions when ''everyone on the planet'' fails to remember basic astronomy facts for a couple of episodes, except Sonic himself, amusingly enough. Eggman rigs the moon to block out the sun, making it look like the moon pretty much stopped, along with the sun. Nobody finds this fishy because they've forgotten that the moon revolves around the Earth, and the Earth around the sun, not to mention the Earth spins on an embarrassingly wonky axis. Eggman takes the opportunity to try and {{brainwash|ed}} everyone with the lamps he sells, only to have his plan foiled by Sonic yet again, because he was the only one not holding on to the gigantic IdiotBall. The ball in this case being more of an Idiot Moon.

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* ''SonicX'' ''Anime/SonicX'' takes this to absurd proportions when ''everyone on the planet'' fails to remember basic astronomy facts for a couple of episodes, except Sonic himself, amusingly enough. Eggman rigs the moon to block out the sun, making it look like the moon pretty much stopped, along with the sun. Nobody finds this fishy because they've forgotten that the moon revolves around the Earth, and the Earth around the sun, not to mention the Earth spins on an embarrassingly wonky axis. Eggman takes the opportunity to try and {{brainwash|ed}} everyone with the lamps he sells, only to have his plan foiled by Sonic yet again, because he was the only one not holding on to the gigantic IdiotBall. The ball in this case being more of an Idiot Moon.
13th Jul '16 5:55:56 PM lavendermintrose
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* [[spoiler:The Black Knights betrayal of Zero]] in ''Anime/CodeGeass.'' Several years since the show has ended and it ''still'' is the most controversial element of the series. After [[spoiler:Schneizel reveals that Zero is Lelouch, former prince of Britannia, and a wielder of Geass,]] they take his word for it with almost no argument. They then hold [[spoiler:Zero/Lelouch]] '''at gun point''', demanding a confession from him. While [[spoiler:Schneizel]] was technically telling the truth, he was still their enemy, and no one bothered to question whether he was lying or manipulating them. They also don't figure out that their ability to mutiny proves that [[spoiler:Zero had not, as Schniezel claimed, Geassed them into obedience.]]



* The plan of the Capulet retainers in ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet'' is not ''that'' dumb at first glance, since it ''is'' a sound move to hide Juliet aka the SoleSurvivor of their Clan and [[RaisedAsTheOppositeGender make her live her early life as a boy]] to protect her from the Montague group. What's unforgivably stupid is to ''not explain to Juliet WHY she's forced into hiding and crossdressing until her DangerousSixteenthBirthday'': that means poor Juliet is completely unprepared to become the leaderess of the group and command them against the tyrannical Montague regime, and it takes a HEAVY mental/emotional toll on her. Not to mention, by that time she has already met the MadDictatorsHandsomeSon [[StarCrossedLovers and is falling for him...]]



* In ''Manga/AnatoliaStory'', one arc involves [[BigBad Nakia]] arranging for a beautiful peasant girl named Ursula to pose as Yuri in a town where nobody actually met her, all for Ursula/the fake Yuri to be as spoiled and selfish as possible and ruin the real Yuri's reputation. (Not helped by Ursula's DarkAndTroubledPast, which made her desperate to have some wealth after having nothing for years.) The trouble is, the plan is short-term at best and hinges entirely on Kail having more important things to do than go out ''right then and there'' to deal with the matter. Yuri, meanwhile, ''does'' go out immediately... but chooses to do so by riding out on her own, with no proof of her identity or anyone with her who could creditably identify her. As a result, nobody (including, amusingly enough, ''Ursula'') believes her. She does try to meet with the king of the city-state they're in, hoping that he might recognize her, but her plan to get into the palace and meet him fails when she loses her temper at the sight of Ursula's selfishness and, as a result, is basically given a death sentence via [[TheUriahGambit being sent]] to tend to [[ThePlague plague victims.]] Kail, meanwhile, ends the entire thing simply by showing up and confirming which Yuri is the real one. This is lampshaded later, when he says that the entire issue could have been avoided if Yuri had simply presented herself as a princess; this served to show that she had to be more comfortable with the fact that she is, in fact, royalty.
8th Jul '16 1:42:36 PM Discar
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* One of the main problems, at least for the anime version of ''Anime/SwordArtOnline''[='s=] first arc, is that the entire plot hinges on the fact the entire world allows a madman to get away with what could essentially be the world's biggest hostage crisis.
3rd Jun '16 9:22:47 AM bassforte123
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** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]] and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] both allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.

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** Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]] 18]], destroying the remote instead of keeping it as a back-up plan, and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] both allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.form.
30th May '16 9:48:23 AM NNinja
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* ''Anime/BestStudentCouncil'' in its entirety counts for this.

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* %%* ''Anime/BestStudentCouncil'' in its entirety counts for this.



** Mavis holds the IdiotBall big time in Episode 175. An odd example where it seems they ''did'' care enough to ''try'' justifying it, but did it so wrong and backwards it comes off as this. Natsu's ridiculous fight against Sting and Rogue, which many people already hated due to his blatant disregard for apparent strength and his easy curbstomping of a powerful enemy while the rest of the guild had hard times with their challenges, hits the breaking point when Sting and Rogue perform a Unison Raid against him. While Sting and Rogue (the former of whom had easily stomped both Natsu and Gajeel before they decided to get up) begin their Unison Raid, Mavis is going on about how their power is great, but you need more than power to win, and how "these bonds of friendship can't be broken by power alone". The problem with this is that Natsu is the target of her speech, representing friendship and bonds, and Sting and Rogue are the ones representing simple power. Not five minutes before Natsu ''forced Gajeel on a cart ride out of the fight'' over a petty argument about Sting's clock position, showing just how few fucks he gives about friendship or bonds, to take on the Twin Dragons alone. Sting and Rogue on the other hand, are A) having inner monologues about promises they made to Lector and Frosch and B) doing a Unison Raid, which ''explicitly requires the users to be as close a pair as humanly possible for it to work''. [[BrokenAesop It's]] [[DesignatedHero literally]] [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality backwards.]]



* The whole plot of ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' kicks off because Shinichi decides that chasing after two shady looking guys in black without bringing any backup (read: the police who were present or the [[ActionGirl badass martial artist]] who was his date) with him, or at least telling them what the hell he was planning, sounded like a good idea. The latter could be justified as him not wanting to put Ran in danger; the former, not so much, since going after dangerous criminals is part of the job description for a cop. Of course, Shinichi, at least in the first anime episode, was shown to have been getting a big head from the attention he was getting as a kid detective, so...
18th May '16 1:50:19 PM MajinAkuma
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'''Tea:''' Candy? That sounds pretty good.\\

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'''Tea:''' '''Téa:''' Candy? That sounds pretty good.\\
18th May '16 1:47:23 PM MajinAkuma
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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Tri-Beam]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised Cell for a long while, probably have been used to significant effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell absorbed Android 17 and transformed. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** Krillin's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]] and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] both allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.

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** Tenshinhan using his [[CastFromLifeSpan Tri-Beam]] Shin Kikouhou]] to incapacitate Cell would, given that it immobilised Cell for a long while, probably have been used to significant effect against Imperfect Cell - who he'd been observing before Cell absorbed Android 17 and transformed. It also took Android 18 far too long to even consider escaping while Tenshinhan was ''sacrificing his life for her''.
** Krillin's Kuririn's [[LoveMakesYouDumb refusal to destroy 18]] and Vegeta's [[BloodKnight urge to face a stronger opponent]] both allowed him to ascend to his perfect form.



** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. [[spoiler:Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.]]
** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank senzu bean]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.

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** Goku dreaming up a ridiculous BatmanGambit in order to get Gohan - ''his ten-year-old son'' - to [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry fly into a rage at Cell]] and tell literally nobody his plan until Gohan was on the battlefield being [[CurbStompBattle utterly crushed by Cell]]. [[spoiler:Subverted Subverted since it does end up working...eventually.]]
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** Goku feeding Cell a [[EmergencyEnergyTank senzu bean]] Senzu]] and passing the fight to Gohan took out a prime opportunity to finish him off.


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** The worst case is Vegeta who makes wrong decisions one after another. When Bulma suggests they could use the Dragon Balls to locate Dr. Gero's location and then kill him before his work is finished, Vegeta immediately refuses to accept that option and causes all the other {{Blood Knight}}s to agree with him. Then Vegeta allows #17 and #18 to be activated by Dr. Gero, despite the others tried to prevent Dr. Gero from doing so. He fights #18, gets his arm broken, causing the others to step in and get ''their'' asses kicked. Then Vegeta allows and helps Cell becoming perfect and gets his ass kicked, which eventually (along with terrible decisions of Goku and Gohan) results into the death of his son from the future. And when Vegeta snaps to get revenge on Trunks, he gets smacked by Cell and causes Gohan to be heavily injured. He finally redeems himself by helping Gohan to kill Cell by distracting the latter.
30th Apr '16 7:49:17 PM Blazer
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* One of the main problems, at least for the anime version of ''Anime/SwordArtOnline''[='s=] first arc, is that the entire plot hinges on the fact the entire world allows a madman to get away with what could essentially be the world's biggest hostage crisis.
26th Apr '16 10:44:32 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''Anime/SoraOKakeruShoujo'', Nami's sisters structurally fail to acknowledge her obvious depressed state, going so far as to kick her down even more, as Kazane does in one episode. Even after Nami's FaceHeelTurn, Akiha simply tells Nami to shut up instead of listening to her during their first critical confrontation. Yeah, that really worked, now did it.

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* In ''Anime/SoraOKakeruShoujo'', ''Anime/TheGirlWhoLeaptThroughSpace'', Nami's sisters structurally fail to acknowledge her obvious depressed state, going so far as to kick her down even more, as Kazane does in one episode. Even after Nami's FaceHeelTurn, Akiha simply tells Nami to shut up instead of listening to her during their first critical confrontation. Yeah, that really worked, now did it.
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