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6th Jan '18 8:21:41 AM TMB
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*** The discovery of Amy having made the "forget" choice herself and the Doctor thinking he has to choose between dooming the ship or mercy killing the whale leads to him raising his voice in anger for one of the only two occasions in #12's run on the show.
--->"Nobody Human has anything to say to me today!!"
6th Jan '18 2:30:43 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** The franchise as a whole also tends to have healthy doses of HumansAreWarriors, and BewareTheNiceOnes. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue:

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*** The franchise as a whole also tends to have healthy doses of HumansAreWarriors, and BewareTheNiceOnes. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. The Founders found this out the hard way when humans infected their ''entire species'' with a deadly disease, and only gave them the cure after the Dominion unconditionally surrendered. This is succinctly summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue:
6th Jan '18 2:25:28 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** The franchise as a whole also tends to have healthy doses of HumansAreWarriors, and BewareTheNiceOnes. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue in "The Seige of AR-558":

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*** The franchise as a whole also tends to have healthy doses of HumansAreWarriors, and BewareTheNiceOnes. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue in "The Seige of AR-558": monologue:
6th Jan '18 2:24:38 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** The franchise as a whole, however, ''does'' tend to have healthy doses of BewareTheNiceOnes, and HumansAreWarriors. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue in "The Seige of AR-558":

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*** The franchise as a whole, however, ''does'' tend whole also tends to have healthy doses of BewareTheNiceOnes, HumansAreWarriors, and HumansAreWarriors.BewareTheNiceOnes. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue in "The Seige of AR-558":
6th Jan '18 2:22:48 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** The franchise as a whole, however, ''does'' tend to have healthy doses of BewareTheNiceOnes, and HumansAreWarriors. [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] was very willing to engage in GunboatDiplomacy when he needed to, and even the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingons]] recognize that it's better to form an alliance with humanity than risk all out war with it. This is summed up in Nog's reply to Quark's monologue in "The Seige of AR-558":
--->'''Nog''': I feel sorry for the Jem'Hadar.
21st Aug '17 11:07:37 PM PhantomRider
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** While Mirror Monsters serve as the standard MonsterOfTheWeek in ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'', all of the major antagonists are other Kamen Riders, who are also human. This is handily pointed out when [[AxCrazy Takeshi Asakura/Kamen Rider Ouja]] is called a [[YouMonster monster]] by Ren Akiyama/Kamen Rider Knight, using the same terminology used to describe the Mirror Monsters.
** In both ''Series/KamenRiderDouble'' and ''Series/KamenRiderFourze'', all the monsters are humans who have been transformed. Some didn't know what they were getting into, or they meant well before their power corrupted them; but others were perfectly willing to throw away their humanity for power. Both Big Bads were the ones who created the {{Transformation Trinket}}s, willing to corrupt innocents and ultimately destroy entire populations if it meant their goals were met.
** In ''Series/KamenRiderOOO'', the BigBadEnsemble of Greeed (not a typo) were created hundreds of years ago by an ambitious king in a bid for world domination. While the Greeed were willing to screw everyone else over to fill their desires, the final villain is Dr. Maki, a nihilist who turned himself into a Greeed in order to end everything.
** ''Series/KamenRiderWizard'': Wiseman turned himself into a Phantom in order to give himself magic powers to [[spoiler:revive his dead daughter]], and then kicked off the plot by committing mass human sacrifice in an occult ritual. And when that didn't work, he manipulated both Wizard and the Phantoms created by the ritual in order to set up an even ''bigger'' mass sacrifice. Another example is Sora the Gremlin Phantom, the only victim to survive the ritual instead of die and be replaced by their Phantom. He turns out to have been a figurative monster way before becoming a literal one, being [[spoiler:a sociopathic serial killer.]]

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** While Mirror Monsters serve as the standard MonsterOfTheWeek in ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'', all of the major antagonists are other Kamen Riders, who are also human. This is handily pointed out when [[AxCrazy Takeshi Asakura/Kamen Rider Ouja]] is called a [[YouMonster monster]] by Ren Akiyama/Kamen Rider Knight, using the same terminology used to describe the Mirror Monsters.
Monsters. And the ultimate BigBad was a human who didn't care how much death and destruction he wreaked so long as he could [[spoiler: save his sister]].
** In both ''Series/KamenRiderDouble'' and ''Series/KamenRiderFourze'', all the monsters are humans who have been transformed. Some didn't know what they were getting into, or they meant well before their power corrupted them; but others were perfectly willing to throw away their humanity for power. Both series' Big Bads were the ones who created the {{Transformation Trinket}}s, humans in full control of their minds and who were willing to corrupt innocents and ultimately destroy entire populations if it meant their goals were met.
** In ''Series/KamenRiderOOO'', the BigBadEnsemble of Greeed (not a typo) were created hundreds of years ago by an ambitious human king in a bid for world domination. While the Greeed were willing to screw everyone else over to fill their desires, the final villain is Dr. Maki, a nihilist who turned himself into a Greeed in order to end everything.
everything. Meanwhile, the Greeed themselves suffer from the need to be 'complete,' made impossible by their creator (ten 'core medals' make up their selves; they wouldn't come to life until given ''need'' through the removal of one of those medals. Therefore, they seek what they ''think'' will fulfill them, ever more ravenously as it proves to never be enough. They're {{Tragic Monster}}s acting out their nature. The bad ''humans'' who are the authors of all the major problems have no excuse.)
** ''Series/KamenRiderWizard'': Wiseman turned himself into a Phantom in order to give himself magic powers to [[spoiler:revive his dead daughter]], and then kicked off the plot by committing mass human sacrifice in an occult ritual. And when that didn't work, he manipulated both Wizard and the Phantoms created by the ritual in order to set up an even ''bigger'' mass sacrifice. Another example is Sora the Gremlin Phantom, the only victim to survive the ritual instead of die and be replaced by their Phantom. He turns out to have been a figurative monster way before becoming a literal one, being [[spoiler:a sociopathic serial killer.]] His transformation didn't affect his personality in the slightest.]] In short, most Phantoms just act out their nature, trying to hatch other Phantoms from the human hosts in which they incubate. What they do is cruel, but they're born seeing humans about the same way a bird sees an eggshell. The most genuinely evil Phantoms were so bad ''because they retained their human selves.''



** Played with in ''Series/KamenRiderGhost'': The Ganma monsters were originally presented as demonic spirits, but it was later discovered that they were humans (or HumanAliens) making use of soul-manipulating technology, thereby playing the trope straight. However, [[spoiler:all of the Ganma turned out to either be good, decent people, or redeemed themselves into becoming so by the end. The true threat came from the Ganmaizers, artificially-created enforcers who enacted a ZerothLawRebellion. The theme of the season was "bonds between people", so it makes thematic sense that the villains were beings who had none.]]
** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They're not good, but they at least have {{Freudian Excuse}}s for their behavior.[[note]]As video game enemies, most of them are programmed to want to destroy their opponents; and they resent how their purpose is to be defeated by game players.[[/note]] There's no such excuse for the human enemies:

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** Played with in ''Series/KamenRiderGhost'': The Ganma monsters were originally presented as demonic spirits, but it was later discovered that they were humans (or HumanAliens) making use of soul-manipulating technology, thereby playing the trope straight. However, [[spoiler:all of the Ganma turned out to either be good, decent people, or redeemed themselves into becoming so by the end. The true threat came from the Ganmaizers, artificially-created enforcers who enacted a ZerothLawRebellion. The theme of the season was "bonds between people", so it makes thematic sense that the villains were beings who had none.none - but could learn.]]
** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They're not good, but they at least have {{Freudian Excuse}}s for their behavior.[[note]]As behavior: As video game enemies, most of them are programmed to want to destroy their opponents; and they resent how their purpose is to be defeated by game players.[[/note]] players. The very first show of real emotion from major villain Parad is when his confident persona as a player who enjoys 'playing the game' with his worthy Rider opponents slips and we get near-tearful rage about how his kind were created to suffer and die at human hands over and over and over. There's no such excuse for the human enemies:
10th Jul '17 4:57:32 PM DragonRanger
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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They're not good, but they at least have {{Freudian Excuse}}s for their behavior.[[note]]As video game enemies, most of them are programmed to want to destroy their opponents; and they resent how their purpose is to be defeated by game players.[[/note]] There's no such excuse for Kuroto Dan, the game dev who first discovered the virus. He thinks himself a god because he can program whatever he wants into a game, and the Bugsters mean that he can potentially control the real world the same way. Kuroto is also [[EvilIsPetty really petty]], going out of his way to deliver DisproportionateRetribution on anyone who angers him for the smallest reasons.
** ''Series/KamenRiderAmazons'' runs on GrayAndGrayMorality with even the MonstersOfTheWeek being primarily {{Tragic Monster}}s who would rather live normal lives than eat people if it wasn't literally hardwired into their existence to do so, [[BeingEvilSuck no matter how much they don't want to]]. However, the single most vile character in the series is a perfectly normal human, [[BigBad Takaaki Tenjo]], the head of Nozama Pharmacy. Not only does he intentionally endanger countless lives by covering up the Amazons' existence solely to keep the Amazon Cells the Pharmacy's property, he [[spoiler:''released them to begin with'' solely to create a SocialDarwinist manmade ecosystem of humans killing Amazons or being killed by them, resulting in untold numbers of deaths and every bad thing in the entire series.]] Despite being more or less physically harmless due to being an EvilCripple, Tenjo comes off as more of a monster than the Amazons.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They're not good, but they at least have {{Freudian Excuse}}s for their behavior.[[note]]As video game enemies, most of them are programmed to want to destroy their opponents; and they resent how their purpose is to be defeated by game players.[[/note]] There's no such excuse for the human enemies:
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Kuroto Dan, the game dev who first discovered the virus. He virus, thinks himself a god because he can program whatever he wants into a game, and the Bugsters mean that he can potentially control the real world the same way. Kuroto is also [[EvilIsPetty really petty]], going out of his way to deliver DisproportionateRetribution on anyone who angers him for the smallest reasons.
reasons. He ''eventually'' does get his own FreudianExcuse and a PetTheDog moment, but that doesn't do much to tone down his narcissism; his fighting alongside the heroes after that point is more of an EnemyMine than anything else.
*** Masamune Dan, Kuroto's father. A CorruptCorporateExecutive who considers everything connected to his corporation as company property, including the Bugsters, Kuroto and all his accomplishments, and even the lives of the people who play his company's games. Anyone who plays TheMostDangerousVideoGame and loses has their life at his mercy... all for the apparent purpose of selling more games, as loved ones will buy the game and try to play it themselves to have a chance of rescuing the hostages.
** ''Series/KamenRiderAmazons'' runs on GrayAndGrayMorality with even the MonstersOfTheWeek being primarily {{Tragic Monster}}s who would rather live normal lives than eat people if it wasn't literally hardwired into their existence to do so, [[BeingEvilSuck [[BeingEvilSucks no matter how much they don't want to]]. However, the single most vile character in the series is a perfectly normal human, [[BigBad Takaaki Tenjo]], the head of Nozama Pharmacy. Not only does he intentionally endanger countless lives by covering up the Amazons' existence solely to keep the Amazon Cells the Pharmacy's property, he [[spoiler:''released them to begin with'' solely to create a SocialDarwinist manmade ecosystem of humans killing Amazons or being killed by them, resulting in untold numbers of deaths and every bad thing in the entire series.]] Despite being more or less physically harmless due to being an EvilCripple, Tenjo comes off as more of a monster than the Amazons.
3rd Jul '17 8:22:59 PM Godzillawolf
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** ''Series/KamenRiderAmazons'' runs on GrayAndGrayMorality with even the MonstersOfTheWeek being primarily {{Tragic Monster}}s who would rather live normal lives than eat people if it wasn't literally hardwired into their existence to do so, [[BeingEvilSuck no matter how much they don't want to]]. However, the single most vile character in the series is a perfectly normal human, [[BigBad Takaaki Tenjo]], the head of Nozama Pharmacy. Not only does he intentionally endanger countless lives by covering up the Amazons' existence solely to keep the Amazon Cells the Pharmacy's property, he [[spoiler:''released them to begin with'' solely to create a SocialDarwinist manmade ecosystem of humans killing Amazons or being killed by them, resulting in untold numbers of deaths and every bad thing in the entire series.]] Despite being more or less physically harmless due to being an EvilCripple, Tenjo comes off as more of a monster than the Amazons.
15th May '17 8:17:04 PM nombretomado
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* Ultimately what happens to most of the human cast in ''TrueBlood''. In season 7, [[spoiler: the Humans prove to be just as dangerous if not even more so than the infected Vampires, plan to kill anyone different than they are, and kill Alcide.]]

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* Ultimately what happens to most of the human cast in ''TrueBlood''.''Series/TrueBlood''. In season 7, [[spoiler: the Humans prove to be just as dangerous if not even more so than the infected Vampires, plan to kill anyone different than they are, and kill Alcide.]]
10th Apr '17 10:36:00 AM DragonRanger
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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They attack people because manifesting involves taking over a human host and causing stress lowers the host's resistance; but this pales before Kuroto Dan, who first discovered the virus. He thinks himself a god because he can program whatever he wants into a game, and the Bugsters mean that he can potentially control the real world the same way. His end goal is to turn the world into a SurvivalSandbox game where everyone will have to fight for their lives. Kuroto is also [[EvilIsPetty really petty]], going out of his way to deliver DisproportionateRetribution on anyone who angers him for the smallest reasons.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' features computer viruses called "Bugsters" that manifest in the real world as video game bosses. They attack people because manifesting involves taking over a human host They're not good, but they at least have {{Freudian Excuse}}s for their behavior.[[note]]As video game enemies, most of them are programmed to want to destroy their opponents; and causing stress lowers the host's resistance; but this pales before they resent how their purpose is to be defeated by game players.[[/note]] There's no such excuse for Kuroto Dan, the game dev who first discovered the virus. He thinks himself a god because he can program whatever he wants into a game, and the Bugsters mean that he can potentially control the real world the same way. His end goal is to turn the world into a SurvivalSandbox game where everyone will have to fight for their lives. Kuroto is also [[EvilIsPetty really petty]], going out of his way to deliver DisproportionateRetribution on anyone who angers him for the smallest reasons.
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