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26th Jun '16 11:13:39 PM Mizerous
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** This is not related to Jeff being champion, but this '''HAD''' to be mentioned on here. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzScgAhSt0 This promo]]...[[Narm no words]] can describe it.

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** This is not related to Jeff being champion, but this '''HAD''' to be mentioned on here. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzScgAhSt0 This promo]]...[[Narm [[{{Narm}} no words]] can describe it.
26th Jun '16 11:12:29 PM Mizerous
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** This is not related to Jeff being champion, but this '''HAD''' to be mentioned on here. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzScgAhSt0 This promo]]...[[Narm no words]] can describe it.
1st Jun '16 6:52:18 AM JamesAustin
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*** Sam Shaw: made two appearances, fall guy for Jay Bradley, repackaged. Made regular appearances on Impact feuding with Ken Anderson over Christy Hemme then teaming/feuding with Gunner, released when the latter ended.

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*** Sam Shaw: made two appearances, fall guy for Jay Bradley, repackaged. Made regular appearances on Impact feuding with Ken Anderson Wrestling/KenAnderson over Christy Hemme Wrestling/ChristyHemme then teaming/feuding with Gunner, released when the latter ended.
30th May '16 11:18:38 AM Nyame
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* [[http://411mania.com/wrestling/new-details-on-tnas-possible-investorsbuyers/ Her business plan to get TNA more investors]] is to offer them 10% of TNA's shares for investing so she can keep the controlling stake. That's basically asking people to donate money -- something no one is going to do thanks to Dixie's history of terrible business decisions. Just about everyone considers this ridiculous, as Dixie has had numerous chances and squandered all of them, not to mention the fact that the company might fold within the year at the rate it's going. If Dixie really cared about TNA, she'd sell the controlling stake as TNA won't live to see 2017 without an investor.
25th May '16 9:57:33 AM Gimere
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* And what did ''Series/JerseyShore''[='=]s J-Woww do during her one appearance? Get into a backstage catfight with Cookie[[note]](newcomer Becky Bayless as a Snooki lookalike)[[/note]], the valet of new wrestler Robbie E[[note]](a Paulie D parody)[[/note]]. [SarcasmMode Truly, money well spent]]. And what show did the morons run her segment up against? '''''Jersey Shore'''''.

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* And what did ''Series/JerseyShore''[='=]s J-Woww do during her one appearance? Get into a backstage catfight with Cookie[[note]](newcomer Becky Bayless as a Snooki lookalike)[[/note]], the valet of new wrestler Robbie E[[note]](a Paulie D parody)[[/note]]. [SarcasmMode [[SarcasmMode Truly, money well spent]]. And what show did the morons run her segment up against? '''''Jersey Shore'''''.
25th May '16 9:54:51 AM Gimere
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* In 2010, for the second year in a row, TNA held the title of "Worst PPV of the Year", and in this case possibly one of the worst of all time, with the first ''Hardcore Justice'' PPV. Despite being an Wrestling/{{ECW}} throwback, most of the old ECW stars had to [[WritingAroundTrademarks change their names in order to avoid trademark infringement]] (even then, announcers regularly slipped and brought up the copyrighted names of the wrestlers); and since WWE owns ECW lock stock and barrel, no footage of them could be shown, no entrance music could be played, Wrestling/JoeyStyles is literally WWE property, and even [[Wrestling/TheBlueMeanie Blue Meanie's]] [=bWo=] shirts were now under copyright [[note]](which means Vince now owns a ''parody'' of a ''rival promotion'' by ''another'' rival promotion--which is sad, frankly)[[/note]]. More importantly, [[ContinuityLockout nobody born after 1990 knew what was going on]]. The ''In Memoriam'' couldn't mention anyone by name and instead went out to the "men and women" who gave their lives for this industry,

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* In 2010, for the second year in a row, TNA held the title of "Worst PPV of the Year", and in this case possibly one of the worst of all time, with the first ''Hardcore Justice'' PPV. Despite being an Wrestling/{{ECW}} throwback, most of the old ECW stars had to [[WritingAroundTrademarks change their names in order to avoid trademark infringement]] (even then, announcers regularly slipped and brought up the copyrighted names of the wrestlers); and since WWE owns ECW lock stock and barrel, no footage of them could be shown, no entrance music could be played, Wrestling/JoeyStyles is literally WWE property, and even [[Wrestling/TheBlueMeanie Blue Meanie's]] Wrestling/TheBlueMeanie's [=bWo=] shirts were now under copyright [[note]](which means Vince now owns a ''parody'' of a ''rival promotion'' by ''another'' rival promotion--which is sad, frankly)[[/note]]. More importantly, [[ContinuityLockout nobody born after 1990 knew what was going on]]. The ''In Memoriam'' couldn't mention anyone by name and instead went out to the "men and women" who gave their lives for this industry,



* The Wrestling/RicFlair[=/=]Fortune angle wasn't well received, because while the wrestlers were great and still had loads of charisma, they still played the heels, despite being too sympathetic to pull it off. Their enemies included Dixie Carter and the creaky EV 2.0 faction, which worked harder against them.

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* The Wrestling/RicFlair[=/=]Fortune Wrestling/RicFlair[=/=]Wrestling/{{Fortune}} angle wasn't well received, because while the wrestlers were great and still had loads of charisma, they still played the heels, despite being too sympathetic to pull it off. Their enemies included Dixie Carter and the creaky EV 2.0 faction, which worked harder against them.



*** What's even worse than all this? Go look on the [[http://tnagutcheck.com/ Gut Check website]] at the sheer amount of talent that had tried out yet got turned down. For those who follow indie wrestling and recognize even some of the people who tried out, this can be rage-inducing.

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*** ** What's even worse than all this? Go look on the [[http://tnagutcheck.com/ Gut Check website]] at the sheer amount of talent that had tried out yet got turned down. For those who follow indie wrestling and recognize even some of the people who tried out, this can be rage-inducing.



* TNA also made the [[SarcasmMode brilliant decision]] to reenact the (sigh) Wrestling/MondayNightWars in the first half of 2010, [[AesopAmnesia apparently forgetting the outcome of that little skirmish]], ''and'' despite the fact that they have considerably worse ratings than WWE. This in itself was merely a poor business decision, but the angles that were run at the time were easily the worst angles in years, including the BadassDecay of Abyss reaching its low point, [[DepravedBisexual Orlando Jordan's bisexuality becoming an angle]], Ric Flair and Hogan's WWE Hall of Fame rings becoming [[WhoWouldWantToWatchUs more valuable that the actual TNA Championship]], Bubba the Love Sponge being there at all, Tag Team Championship reigns so bad they've made the title worthless, and the recreation of the [=nWo=] even though everyone involved is over the hill. Within six months, TNA had to switch back to Thursday nights, and actually lost viewers in the long run due to this decision.

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* TNA also made the [[SarcasmMode brilliant decision]] to reenact the (sigh) Wrestling/MondayNightWars in the first half of 2010, [[AesopAmnesia apparently forgetting the outcome of that little skirmish]], ''and'' despite the fact that they have considerably worse ratings than WWE. This in itself was merely a poor business decision, but the angles that were run at the time were easily the worst angles in years, including the BadassDecay of Abyss reaching its low point, [[DepravedBisexual Orlando Jordan's bisexuality [[DepravedBisexual becoming an angle]], Ric Flair and Hogan's WWE Hall of Fame rings becoming [[WhoWouldWantToWatchUs more valuable that the actual TNA Championship]], Bubba the Love Sponge being there at all, Tag Team Championship reigns so bad they've made the title worthless, and the recreation of the [=nWo=] even though everyone involved is over the hill. Within six months, TNA had to switch back to Thursday nights, and actually lost viewers in the long run due to this decision.



* Orlando Jordan was repackaged with a new gimmick that would bring his real-life bisexuality into play. The only problem? Instead of being just a badass wrestler who happens to be bi (like Wrestling/CMPunk is a badass wrestler who happens to be straight edge, [[SmugStraightEdge as a face anyway]]) Jordan became a creepy predator and a nigh-on rapist who sexually assaulted men and women on the roster, including So Cal Val, who he spent several weeks fondling. His antics included spraying lotion all over his chest, wearing a diaper on New Year's Day, and rubbing himself down with a Samoa Joe action figure. The worst part? He had hoped that his character would inspire real life bisexuals to come out of the closet.

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* To elaborate on the Orlando Jordan situation noted above, he was repackaged with a new gimmick that would bring his real-life bisexuality into play. The only problem? Instead However, instead of being just a badass wrestler who just happens to be bi (like Wrestling/CMPunk is a badass wrestler who just happens to be straight edge, [[SmugStraightEdge edge--[[SmugStraightEdge as a face anyway]]) face, anyway]]), Jordan became a creepy predator and a nigh-on rapist who sexually assaulted men and women on the roster, including So Cal Val, who he spent several weeks fondling. His antics included spraying lotion all over his chest, wearing a diaper on New Year's Day, and rubbing himself down with a Samoa Joe action figure. The worst part? He had hoped that his character would inspire real life bisexuals to come out of the closet.



* Despite the previous [=nWo=] reunion being a total critical and commercial failure, [[DeathIsCheap TNA decided to reenact the foundation of the nWo yet again]], despite several members either retiring or beyond fit to retire, and one who hadn't gotten a clean win in months. Worse, the new BigBad behind the "new" [=nWo=] was...Jeff Hardy, whose FaceHeelTurn didn't make sense in the first place.
* It was also around this time that Wrestling/RicFlair returned to wrestling, despite the profound, beautiful, heartwrenching farewell he gave and received [[TenMinuteRetirement less than two years ago.]] To elaborate on why this was such a fail: the general idea of Flair's return and his role in TNA was to have him "mentor" Wrestling/AJStyles and help AJ grow beyond "I am TNA" and become a household name. ..Except Flair and Hogan [[FleetingDemographicRule used Styles and Abyss as clones of themselves to continue their own feud]]; predictably, the two geriatrics dropped the angle and leapt back into the ring within three months of arrival. The "household name" took a backseat to Hogan, whom TNA was banking on to draw more eyes to ''Impact''--which failed drastically, thanks to both Hogan's and Creator/SpikeTV's utter lack of interest in actually promoting the company. Not one iota of the initial Hogan!TNA ratings spike would last for substantially long. The Styles-Flair partnership later found much more solid footing when it became Wrestling/{{Fortune}}, but the decision to keep Ric heel after Fortune had turned face left him with no foundation for over a year. He was released and headed (read: fled) back to WWE having accomplished absolutely nothing in TNA save for a few memorably insane promos.

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* Despite the previous [=nWo=] reunion being a total critical and commercial failure, [[DeathIsCheap TNA decided to reenact the foundation of the nWo yet again]], despite several members either retiring or beyond fit to retire, and one who hadn't gotten a clean win in months. Worse, the new BigBad behind the "new" [=nWo=] was...Jeff Hardy, whose and his FaceHeelTurn didn't make sense in the first place.
* It was also around this time that Wrestling/RicFlair returned to wrestling, despite the profound, beautiful, heartwrenching farewell he gave and received [[TenMinuteRetirement less than two years ago.prior.]] To elaborate on why this was such a fail: failure: the general idea of Flair's return and his role in TNA was to have him "mentor" Wrestling/AJStyles and help AJ grow beyond "I am TNA" and become a household name. ..Except Flair and Hogan [[FleetingDemographicRule used Styles and Abyss as clones of themselves to continue their own feud]]; predictably, the two geriatrics dropped the angle and leapt back into the ring within three months of arrival. The "household name" took a backseat to Hogan, whom TNA was banking on to draw more eyes to ''Impact''--which failed drastically, thanks to both Hogan's and Creator/SpikeTV's utter lack of interest in actually promoting the company. Not one iota of the initial Hogan!TNA ratings spike would last for substantially long. The Styles-Flair partnership later found much more solid footing when it became Wrestling/{{Fortune}}, but the decision to keep Ric heel after Fortune had turned face left him with no foundation for over a year. He was released and headed (read: fled) back headed--no, fled--back to WWE having accomplished absolutely nothing in TNA save for a few memorably insane promos.



* And what did ''Series/JerseyShore''[='=]s J-Woww do during her one appearance? Get into a backstage catfight with Cookie[[note]](newcomer Becky Bayless as a Snooki lookalike)[[/note]], the valet of new wrestler Robbie E[[note]](a Paulie D parody)[[/note]]. Truly, money well spent. And what show did the morons run her segment up against? ''Jersey Shore''.

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* And what did ''Series/JerseyShore''[='=]s J-Woww do during her one appearance? Get into a backstage catfight with Cookie[[note]](newcomer Becky Bayless as a Snooki lookalike)[[/note]], the valet of new wrestler Robbie E[[note]](a Paulie D parody)[[/note]]. [SarcasmMode Truly, money well spent. spent]]. And what show did the morons run her segment up against? ''Jersey Shore''.'''''Jersey Shore'''''.



* Ok, so we've gone a while with Jeff Hardy as champ. Even if you ignore the incredibly stupid stuff that got him there. The past couple pay-per views have had Matt Morgan and Hardy fight it out for the Championship. Then, at the Final Resolution pay-per-view on Sunday, Dec 5, 2010 Hardy shows up and is messed up, allegedly from traveling too much. Also, on Wednesday of that week he's got a court date where he is facing serious charges for possession of opiates and cocaine. So, might TNA have him drop the title in order to ensure that their World Champion, not suddenly find himself in jail? No, they don't. They let him keep it, and then tape the next few weeks of Impact in advance so they can go on Christmas break. And it does not even seem as if he's going to drop it at the next pay-per-view. Also, how the heck does TNA determine who's the number one contender? It seems to always be whomever is most convenient.

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* Ok, so we've gone a while with Jeff Hardy as champ. Even if you ignore the incredibly stupid stuff that got him there. The past couple pay-per views have had Matt Morgan and Hardy fight it out for the Championship. Then, at the Final Resolution pay-per-view on Sunday, Dec 5, 2010 Hardy shows up and is messed up, allegedly from traveling too much. Also, on Wednesday of that week he's got a court date where he is facing serious charges for possession of opiates and cocaine. So, might TNA have him drop the title in order to ensure that their World Champion, Champion not suddenly find himself in jail? No, they don't. They don't--they let him keep it, and then tape the next few weeks of Impact in advance so they can go on Christmas break. And it does not even seem as if he's going to drop it at the next pay-per-view. Also, how the heck does TNA determine who's the number one contender? It seems to always be whomever is most convenient.



* ''Victory Road 2011'': A title match that lasts ninety seconds. The final match of the card was Jeff Hardy vs. Sting for the TNA World Championship. However, it took Hardy close to six minutes to head to the ring, visibly strung out. Shortly thereafter, Bischoff comes down to announce it as a No DQ match, but this was a cover-up to hide the fact that he told Sting to forcibly pin Hardy down as quickly as possible before someone got injured. Ninety-seconds later (this includes sixty seconds of stalling by Jeff Hardy), a visibly pissed-off Sting hit Hardy with a Scorpion Deathdrop and forcibly kept him down for the one-two-three. One of the performers in the main event was so impaired that that he couldn't even work the damn match without there being a real possibility of him injuring someone. If he really was so bad, '''WHY DID YOU EVEN HAVE HIM GO DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!?''' Change the damn main event, turn it into a three way between Sting-Anderson-RVD since ''their'' match ended with a countout (stupid in of itself), and actually give the fans something to go home with. Seriously, does anyone in this company know how to run ANY business?

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* ''Victory Road 2011'': A title match that lasts ninety seconds. The final match of the card was Jeff Hardy vs. Sting for the TNA World Championship. However, it took Hardy close to six minutes to head to the ring, visibly strung out. Shortly thereafter, Bischoff comes down to announce it as a No DQ match, but this was a cover-up to hide the fact that he told Sting to forcibly pin Hardy down as quickly as possible before someone got injured. Ninety-seconds Ninety seconds later (this includes sixty seconds of stalling by Jeff Hardy), a visibly pissed-off Sting hit Hardy with a Scorpion Deathdrop and forcibly kept him down for the one-two-three. One of the performers in the main event was so impaired that that he couldn't even work the damn match without there being a real possibility of him injuring someone. If he really was so bad, '''WHY DID YOU EVEN HAVE HIM GO DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!?''' Change the damn main event, turn it into a three way between Sting-Anderson-RVD since ''their'' match ended with a countout (stupid in of itself), and actually give the fans something to go home with. Seriously, does anyone in this company know how to run ANY business?



** Amusingly, the live audience for the ''Bound for Glory'' PPV may have shown how bad this return feud is. In a promo given by Jarrett where he berated Hardy for coming back to TNA, Hardy comes out (in a shirt with his own mugshot, which says a lot about his sense of humor or that he still isn't taking the whole "convicted for drug felony/ruining his career/ruining his reputation" thing seriously). They come to blows, and have to be separated by event security. So what gets the most heat in this? Cheers for Hardy "trying" to atone for his mistakes or Jarrett standing up for his company? Boos for Hardy being selfish or Jarrett for being a complaining heel? If you said the biggest moment was the crowd chanting from [[Wrestling/DLoBrown D'Lo Brown]], well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QmP8tQfu6Dk#t=239s you would be right]]. At this point, the only way this feud would be worse is if the two men fought for the right to use the name "Jeff", but [[OlderThanYouThink that's]] a [[Wrestling/VinceRusso ridiculous]] [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} idea]], [[Wrestling/BookerT right]]? This segment took 10+ minutes, time that could have been used for the main event which barely lasted 13 minutes. Then on the following Impact they had another confrontation that played out the same way leaving many people wondering why they wasted time on this at the PPV if they were just going to do a rehash on free TV.

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** Amusingly, the live audience for the ''Bound for Glory'' PPV may have shown how bad this return feud is. In a promo given by Jarrett where he berated Hardy for coming back to TNA, Hardy comes out (in a shirt with his own mugshot, which says a lot about his sense of humor or that he still isn't taking the whole "convicted for drug felony/ruining his career/ruining his reputation" thing seriously). They come to blows, and have to be separated by event security. So what gets the most heat in this? Cheers for Hardy "trying" to atone for his mistakes or Jarrett standing up for his company? Boos for Hardy being selfish or Jarrett for being a complaining heel? If you said the biggest moment was the crowd chanting from for [[Wrestling/DLoBrown D'Lo Brown]], well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QmP8tQfu6Dk#t=239s you would be right]]. At this point, the only way this feud would be worse is if the two men fought for the right to use the name "Jeff", but [[OlderThanYouThink that's]] a [[Wrestling/VinceRusso ridiculous]] [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} idea]], [[Wrestling/BookerT right]]? This segment took 10+ minutes, time that could have been used for the main event which barely lasted 13 minutes. Then on the following Impact they had another confrontation that played out the same way leaving many people wondering why they wasted time on this at the PPV if they were just going to do a rehash on free TV.



* In July 2012, a mysterious masked gang showed up in TNA attacking wrestlers during or before matches. Their symbols was the DeadMansHand and called themselves the Wrestling/AcesAndEights. Interest at first was held wondering who they were. At ''Bound For Glory 2012'', two members faced off against Sting and Bully Ray. During the match another member interfered allowing them to win. Afterwards his mask gets pulled off and its revealed to be...Devon. You could literally hear the air being sucked out of the arena (and the angle) afterwards.
** The whole gang was a joke when it was revealed who the members were. You had Devon, a past his prime D'lo Brown, Garrett Bischoff and Wes Brisco [[{{Nepotism}} who are only employed because of their dads]], DOC (Luke Gallows in WWE), and Knux (Mike Knox in WWE) not really threatening are they? Not even Bully Ray for all his work and mic skill can make this believable.

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* In July 2012, a mysterious masked gang showed up in TNA attacking wrestlers during or before matches. Their symbols was the DeadMansHand and called themselves the Wrestling/AcesAndEights. Interest at first was held wondering who they were. At ''Bound For Glory 2012'', two members faced off against Sting and Bully Ray. During the match another member interfered allowing them to win. Afterwards his mask gets pulled off and its is revealed to be...Devon. You could literally hear the air being sucked out of the arena (and the angle) afterwards.
** The whole gang was a joke when it was revealed who the members were. You had Devon, a past his prime D'lo Brown, Garrett Bischoff and Wes Brisco [[{{Nepotism}} who are only employed because of their dads]], DOC (Luke Gallows in WWE), and Knux (Mike Knox in WWE) not WWE)--not really threatening threatening, are they? Not even Bully Ray for all his work and mic skill can make this believable.



** Her background is in PR, not wrestling or even business as such. So it figures about the only thing she does right is playing hostess at house shows: glad-handing fans, posing for photos, etc. For this, she [[PhotoOpWithTheDog remained a beloved figure in the IWC]] even as her morbid inadequacies are apparent, though even that eventually crashed and burned once she became an onscreen character and her awfulness was on display for all to see, at which point only the most hardcore TNA fans are willing to defend her. She always came across as a 16-year-old girl pretending to be a corporate professional, except that [[InsultToRocks 16-year-olds learn from their mistakes.]]

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** Her background is in PR, not wrestling or even business as such. So it figures about the only thing she does right is playing hostess at house shows: glad-handing fans, posing for photos, etc. For this, she [[PhotoOpWithTheDog remained a beloved figure in the IWC]] even as her morbid inadequacies are apparent, though even that eventually crashed and burned once she became an onscreen character and her awfulness was on display for all to see, at which point only the most hardcore TNA fans are were willing to defend her. She always came across as a 16-year-old girl pretending to be a corporate professional, except that [[InsultToRocks 16-year-olds learn from their mistakes.]]
18th May '16 11:48:57 AM Hallwings
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* In 2010, for the second year in a row, TNA held the title of "Worst PPV of the Year", and in this case possibly one of the worst of all time, with the first ''Hardcore Justice'' PPV. Despite being an Wrestling/{{ECW}} throwback, most of the old ECW stars had to [[WritingAroundTrademarks change their names in order to avoid trademark infringement]] (even then, announcers regularly slipped and brought up the copyrighted names of the wrestlers); and since WWE owns ECW lock stock and barrel, no footage of them could be shown, no entrance music could be played, Wrestling/JoeyStyles is literally WWE property, and even [[Wrestling/TheBlueMeanie Blue Meanie's]] [=bWo=] shirts were now under copyright [[note]]which means Vince now owns a ''parody'' of a ''rival promotion'' by ''another'' rival promotion--which is sad, frankly[[/note]]. More importantly, [[ContinuityLockout nobody born after 1990 knew what was going on]]. The ''In Memoriam'' couldn't mention anyone by name and instead went out to the "men and women" who gave their lives for this industry,

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* In 2010, for the second year in a row, TNA held the title of "Worst PPV of the Year", and in this case possibly one of the worst of all time, with the first ''Hardcore Justice'' PPV. Despite being an Wrestling/{{ECW}} throwback, most of the old ECW stars had to [[WritingAroundTrademarks change their names in order to avoid trademark infringement]] (even then, announcers regularly slipped and brought up the copyrighted names of the wrestlers); and since WWE owns ECW lock stock and barrel, no footage of them could be shown, no entrance music could be played, Wrestling/JoeyStyles is literally WWE property, and even [[Wrestling/TheBlueMeanie Blue Meanie's]] [=bWo=] shirts were now under copyright [[note]]which [[note]](which means Vince now owns a ''parody'' of a ''rival promotion'' by ''another'' rival promotion--which is sad, frankly[[/note]].frankly)[[/note]]. More importantly, [[ContinuityLockout nobody born after 1990 knew what was going on]]. The ''In Memoriam'' couldn't mention anyone by name and instead went out to the "men and women" who gave their lives for this industry,



* On the first Impact of 2011, Samoa Joe confronted a paranoid Pope backstage and accused him of spending his charity money on strip clubs and pit bulls, and claiming that the Pope was receiving noise complaints at his mansion.[[note]]This was a reference to the then-current Michael Vick controversy.[[/note]] This was mercifully dropped without much further mention, but the resulting feud was not. Lowlights included Pope making fun of Joe's family by showing pictures of pigs on the video screen (including of pigs mating) and Joe hiring Wrestling/KazuchikaOkada (repackaged as a [[Franchise/TheGreenHornet Kato]] ripoff named Okato) to follow Pope around with a camera filming his every move.

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* On the first Impact of 2011, Samoa Joe confronted a paranoid Pope backstage and accused him of spending his charity money on strip clubs and pit bulls, and claiming that the Pope was receiving noise complaints at his mansion.[[note]]This [[note]](This was a reference to the then-current Michael Vick controversy.[[/note]] )[[/note]] This was mercifully dropped without much further mention, but the resulting feud was not. Lowlights included Pope making fun of Joe's family by showing pictures of pigs on the video screen (including of pigs mating) and Joe hiring Wrestling/KazuchikaOkada (repackaged as a [[Franchise/TheGreenHornet Kato]] ripoff named Okato) to follow Pope around with a camera filming his every move.



* Ric Flair comes out to interrupt Hogan's promo, looking to take him out and getting cheered like crazy by the audience, [[ShockingSwerve then throws it all away by aligning his group]] Fourtune with Immortal[[note]](retreads of the Four Horsemen and the [=nWo=], respectively)[[/note]]. Not only did this invalidate much of their potential as mouthpieces for their groups, it ignored their ''decades-long blood feud.'' It also yielded a group consisting of what was then around 2/3 of their whole roster, all of whom were heels. Not even Wrestling/VinceRusso could get behind it, and it was more Hulk and Bischoff's idea than his. [[note]]Also of note--nobody in Fourtune were fit to be heels. in fact, Immortal was widely considered to be their greatest foil![[/note]]

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* Ric Flair comes out to interrupt Hogan's promo, looking to take him out and getting cheered like crazy by the audience, [[ShockingSwerve then throws it all away by aligning his group]] Fourtune with Immortal[[note]](retreads of the Four Horsemen and the [=nWo=], respectively)[[/note]]. Not only did this invalidate much of their potential as mouthpieces for their groups, it ignored their ''decades-long blood feud.'' It also yielded a group consisting of what was then around 2/3 of their whole roster, all of whom were heels. Not even Wrestling/VinceRusso could get behind it, and it was more Hulk and Bischoff's idea than his. [[note]]Also [[note]](Also of note--nobody in Fourtune were fit to be heels. in fact, Immortal was widely considered to be their greatest foil![[/note]]foil!)[[/note]]



* Rob Van Dam wins the TNA World Heavyweight Championship? Not so bad. [[note]]Well, except for the fact that AJ Styles, the man many consider to be the greatest wrestler alive, [[CurbStompBattle was completely decimated by Van Dam]].[[/note]] RVD then says in an interview that he won't drop the title to anyone who didn't work in the Attitude Era? Not so good. TNA nearly uses up all the guaranteed appearances for RVD in his contract, so they book him into an injury angle that lets him vacate the title without having to lose a match to ''anyone''? Fuckup of epic proportions, made worse when he showed up a month later, completely peachy, on the same night they crowned a new champ! It's just another reminder of how badly TNA is mismanaged, and another thing people will point to when the inevitable ''Death of TNA'' book is written.

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* Rob Van Dam wins the TNA World Heavyweight Championship? Not so bad. [[note]]Well, [[note]](Well, except for the fact that AJ Styles, the man many consider to be the greatest wrestler alive, [[CurbStompBattle was completely decimated by Van Dam]].[[/note]] )[[/note]] RVD then says in an interview that he won't drop the title to anyone who didn't work in the Attitude Era? Not so good. TNA nearly uses up all the guaranteed appearances for RVD in his contract, so they book him into an injury angle that lets him vacate the title without having to lose a match to ''anyone''? Fuckup of epic proportions, made worse when he showed up a month later, completely peachy, on the same night they crowned a new champ! It's just another reminder of how badly TNA is mismanaged, and another thing people will point to when the inevitable ''Death of TNA'' book is written.
18th May '16 9:27:12 AM ThatBitterTase
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* On the first Impact of 2011, Samoa Joe confronted a paranoid Pope backstage and accused him of spending his charity money on strip clubs and pit bulls, and claiming that the Pope was receiving noise complaints at his mansion. This was mercifully dropped without much further mention, but the resulting feud was not. Lowlights included Pope making fun of Joe's family by showing pictures of pigs on the video screen (including of pigs mating) and Joe hiring Wrestling/KazuchikaOkada (repackaged as a [[Franchise/TheGreenHornet Kato]] ripoff named Okato) to follow Pope around with a camera filming his every move.

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* On the first Impact of 2011, Samoa Joe confronted a paranoid Pope backstage and accused him of spending his charity money on strip clubs and pit bulls, and claiming that the Pope was receiving noise complaints at his mansion. [[note]]This was a reference to the then-current Michael Vick controversy.[[/note]] This was mercifully dropped without much further mention, but the resulting feud was not. Lowlights included Pope making fun of Joe's family by showing pictures of pigs on the video screen (including of pigs mating) and Joe hiring Wrestling/KazuchikaOkada (repackaged as a [[Franchise/TheGreenHornet Kato]] ripoff named Okato) to follow Pope around with a camera filming his every move.
4th May '16 9:38:49 AM SomeoneElse17
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* The last-minute switch from the MEM to Fortune also had the unfortunate side-effect of completely castrating the Immortal [[PowerStable super-stable]]. By removing Styles, Kazarian, and Beer Money, the only active wrestlers left in Immortal were Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Abyss, Rob Terry, and Gunner and Murphy. In addition to losing the talent of the team, Kaz and Beer Money were the X-Division and Tag Team champions respectively, which means that there was no payoff to Immortal losing those belts, and the ramifications of Immortal losing the belts was hardly even brought up, if at all. On a side note, Kazarian won the belt from Wrestling/JayLethal after [[DudeNotFunny completely disrespecting Jay's entire family]], and not even a month later, Kazarian became a card-carrying babyface. It also forced Ric Flair to speed through an angle which would have made sense running over several weeks; what resulted was him icing all the members of Fortune in the back, then costing AJ Styles a match in the very next segment of the show. You would think Flair would have a harder time backstabbing the stable he created in the image of the Four Horsemen!

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* The last-minute switch from the MEM to Fortune also had the unfortunate side-effect of completely castrating the Immortal [[PowerStable super-stable]]. By removing Styles, Kazarian, [[Wrestling/FrankieKazarian Kazarian]], and Beer Money, the only active wrestlers left in Immortal were Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Abyss, Rob Terry, and Gunner and Murphy. In addition to losing the talent of the team, Kaz and Beer Money were the X-Division and Tag Team champions respectively, which means that there was no payoff to Immortal losing those belts, and the ramifications of Immortal losing the belts was hardly even brought up, if at all. On a side note, Kazarian won the belt from Wrestling/JayLethal after [[DudeNotFunny completely disrespecting Jay's entire family]], and not even a month later, Kazarian became a card-carrying babyface. It also forced Ric Flair to speed through an angle which would have made sense running over several weeks; what resulted was him icing all the members of Fortune in the back, then costing AJ Styles a match in the very next segment of the show. You would think Flair would have a harder time backstabbing the stable he created in the image of the Four Horsemen!
2nd May '16 7:50:37 AM Gimere
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* Hulk gave a speech at ''[=ReAction=]'' dripping with hypocrisy. He severely downplayed the astounding feats of many a wrestler, and lost much of his support from fans. Not to mention, he ignored that the audience to the shows got in free, as TNA was little more than a theme park attraction. It's the speech that got Brother Ray to split up 3D, become Bully Ray, and join Immortal. What did Hogan say, exactly? Well...

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* Hulk gave [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SapQIU601is a speech speech]] at ''[=ReAction=]'' dripping with hypocrisy. He severely downplayed the astounding feats of many a wrestler, and lost much of his support from fans. Not to mention, he ignored that the audience to the shows got in free, as TNA was little more than a theme park attraction. It's the speech that got Brother Ray to split up 3D, become Bully Ray, and join Immortal. What did Hogan say, exactly? Well...



-->"No wonder this company ''was'' in the shape it's in. It's time to get rid o' the trash, the garbage, the worthless piece of crap out here, and we started with Dixie Carter. Yeah, we're gettin' ''very'' real around here. We are so, real, it's unbelievable. Because, if you don't get over like I said, you're fired. If you don't draw numbers, if you don't entertain, if you don't put asses in seats, if you don't put the coinage in the piggy bank, you're fired. No more games. No more "[[FourthWall Kayfabe]]." "It's a work." "I've won 34 tag team belts." Who gives a damn, how many…fake belts you won!? If you don't draw money, you get fired around here. If you don't put asses in seats, you're gone."
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SapQIU601is Watch it yourself...]]
* Also that night — Wrestling/RicFlair admits he's banged a horse.
** This originated, believe it or not, back in 2001, on the second-to-last epside of Wrestling/WCWMondayNitro, when Wrestling/DustyRhodes made him kiss a donkey. Geddit? Kiss ass?

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-->"No wonder this company ''was'' in the shape it's in. It's time to get rid o' the trash, the garbage, the worthless piece of crap out here, and we started with Dixie Carter. Yeah, we're gettin' ''very'' real around here. We are so, real, it's unbelievable. Because, if you don't get over like I said, you're fired. If you don't draw numbers, if you don't entertain, if you don't put asses in seats, if you don't put the coinage in the piggy bank, you're fired. No more games. No more "[[FourthWall Kayfabe]]."{{Kayfabe}}." "It's a work." "I've won 34 tag team belts." Who gives a damn, how many…fake belts you won!? If you don't draw money, you get fired around here. If you don't put asses in seats, you're gone."
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SapQIU601is Watch it yourself...]]
* Also that night — Wrestling/RicFlair admits he's banged a horse.
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horse. This originated, believe it or not, back in 2001, on the second-to-last epside of Wrestling/WCWMondayNitro, when Wrestling/DustyRhodes made him kiss a donkey. Geddit? Kiss ass?



*** Moot point, for Anderson promptly drops the belt back to Jeff Hardy at Against All Odds.
* ''Victory Road 2011'': A title match that lasts ninety seconds. The final match of the card was Jeff Hardy vs. Sting for the TNA World Championship. However, it took Hardy close to six minutes to head to the ring, visibly strung out. Shortly thereafter, Bischoff comes down to announce it as a No DQ match, but this was a cover-up to hide the fact that he told Sting to forcibly pin Hardy down as quickly as possible before someone got injured. Ninety-seconds later (this includes sixty-seconds of stalling by Jeff Hardy), a visibly pissed-off Sting hit Hardy with a Scorpion Deathdrop and forcibly kept him down for the one-two-three. One of the performers in the main event was so impaired that that he couldn't even work the damn match without there being a real possibility of him injuring someone. If he really was so bad, '''WHY DID YOU EVEN HAVE HIM GO DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!?''' Change the damn main event, turn it into a three way between Sting-Anderson-RVD since ''their'' match ended with a countout (stupid in of itself), and actually give the fans something to go home with. Seriously, does anyone in this company know how to run ANY business?
** Wrestling/JeffHardy clearly came out in no condition to perform. Before the match even began, the ref held up his own arms in an "X", a signal to the back that something was wrong. Sting, the ref, and ring announcer Jeremy Borash were visibly not happy with the situation.

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*** Moot point, for Anderson promptly drops the belt back to Jeff Hardy at Against All Odds.
* ''Victory Road 2011'': A title match that lasts ninety seconds. The final match of the card was Jeff Hardy vs. Sting for the TNA World Championship. However, it took Hardy close to six minutes to head to the ring, visibly strung out. Shortly thereafter, Bischoff comes down to announce it as a No DQ match, but this was a cover-up to hide the fact that he told Sting to forcibly pin Hardy down as quickly as possible before someone got injured. Ninety-seconds later (this includes sixty-seconds sixty seconds of stalling by Jeff Hardy), a visibly pissed-off Sting hit Hardy with a Scorpion Deathdrop and forcibly kept him down for the one-two-three. One of the performers in the main event was so impaired that that he couldn't even work the damn match without there being a real possibility of him injuring someone. If he really was so bad, '''WHY DID YOU EVEN HAVE HIM GO DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!?''' Change the damn main event, turn it into a three way between Sting-Anderson-RVD since ''their'' match ended with a countout (stupid in of itself), and actually give the fans something to go home with. Seriously, does anyone in this company know how to run ANY business?
** Wrestling/JeffHardy Jeff Hardy clearly came out in no condition to perform. Before the match even began, the ref held up his own arms in an "X", a signal to the back that something was wrong. Sting, the ref, and ring announcer Jeremy Borash were visibly not happy with the situation.



** Sting-Anderson-RVD [[AuthorsSavingThrow is the main event scheduled]] for ''Lockdown 2011'', so at least the match everyone wanted is happening eventually.
*** Anderson was added to the match making it a three-way bout. Despite the contest involving three competitors it doesn't even reach the ten-minute mark before Sting pins Anderson after a Scorpion Deathdrop.



** Amusingly, the live audience for the ''Bound for Glory'' PPV may have shown how bad this return feud is. In a promo given by Jarrett where he berated Hardy for coming back to TNA, Hardy comes out (in a shirt with his own mugshot, which says a lot about his sense of humor or that he still isn't taking the whole "convicted for drug felony/ruining his career/ruining his reputation" thing seriously). They come to blows, and have to be separated by event security. So what gets the most heat in this? Cheers for Hardy "trying" to atone for his mistakes or Jarrett standing up for his company? Boos for Hardy being selfish or Jarrett for being a complaining heel? If you said the biggest moment was the crowd chanting from [[Wrestling/DLoBrown D'Lo Brown]], well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QmP8tQfu6Dk#t=239s you would be right]]. At this point, the only way this feud would be worse is if the two men fought for the right to use the name "Jeff", but [[OlderThanYouThink that's]] a [[Wrestling/VinceRusso ridiculous]] [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} idea]], [[Wrestling/BookerT right]]? This segment took 10+ minutes. Time that could have been used for the main event which barely lasted 13 minutes. Then on the following Impact they had another confrontation that played out the same way leaving many people wondering why they wasted time on this at the P.P.V. if they were just going to do a rehash on free T.V.?

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** Amusingly, the live audience for the ''Bound for Glory'' PPV may have shown how bad this return feud is. In a promo given by Jarrett where he berated Hardy for coming back to TNA, Hardy comes out (in a shirt with his own mugshot, which says a lot about his sense of humor or that he still isn't taking the whole "convicted for drug felony/ruining his career/ruining his reputation" thing seriously). They come to blows, and have to be separated by event security. So what gets the most heat in this? Cheers for Hardy "trying" to atone for his mistakes or Jarrett standing up for his company? Boos for Hardy being selfish or Jarrett for being a complaining heel? If you said the biggest moment was the crowd chanting from [[Wrestling/DLoBrown D'Lo Brown]], well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QmP8tQfu6Dk#t=239s you would be right]]. At this point, the only way this feud would be worse is if the two men fought for the right to use the name "Jeff", but [[OlderThanYouThink that's]] a [[Wrestling/VinceRusso ridiculous]] [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} idea]], [[Wrestling/BookerT right]]? This segment took 10+ minutes. Time minutes, time that could have been used for the main event which barely lasted 13 minutes. Then on the following Impact they had another confrontation that played out the same way leaving many people wondering why they wasted time on this at the P.P.V. PPV if they were just going to do a rehash on free T.V.? TV.



* In July 2012, a mysterious masked gang showed up in TNA attacking wrestlers during or before matches. Their symbols was the DeadMansHand and called themselves the Wrestling/AcesAndEights. Interest at first was held wondering who they were. At ''Bound For Glory 2012'', two members faced off against Sting and Bully Ray. During the match another member interfered allowing them to win. Afterwards his mask gets pulled off and its revealed to be...Devon. You could literally hear the air being sucked out of the Arena and the Angle afterwards.

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* In July 2012, a mysterious masked gang showed up in TNA attacking wrestlers during or before matches. Their symbols was the DeadMansHand and called themselves the Wrestling/AcesAndEights. Interest at first was held wondering who they were. At ''Bound For Glory 2012'', two members faced off against Sting and Bully Ray. During the match another member interfered allowing them to win. Afterwards his mask gets pulled off and its revealed to be...Devon. You could literally hear the air being sucked out of the Arena and arena (and the Angle angle) afterwards.



*** Most of the money that should go to the wrestlers goes to a bunch of Z-list celebrities and past-their-prime wrestlers who don't add anything to the product -- Jenna Morasca, who competed in '''that''' ''Victory Road'' match, was paid $500,000 during her time in TNA, and J-Woww from ''Series/JerseyShore'', who showed up for one night to stink up the joint, was paid $10,000 at a minimum.

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*** ** Most of the money that should ''should'' go to the wrestlers goes to a bunch of Z-list celebrities and past-their-prime wrestlers who don't add anything to the product -- Jenna Morasca, who competed in '''that''' ''Victory Road'' match, was paid $500,000 during her time in TNA, and J-Woww from ''Series/JerseyShore'', who showed up for one night to stink up the joint, was paid $10,000 at a minimum.



* Jesse Sorensen's case is a notable one. He was signed in 2011, being built up as a strong contender to Austin Aries's X Division Championship. But then at the 2012 edition of ''Against All Odds'', Jesse got his neck damaged by a top-rope moonsault from Zema Ion. This caused panic among his fans and family, fearing he would never walk again. Soon after, Dixie approached Jesse's mother, assuring her that TNA would take care of the situation.
** But it was not to be: She never did anything about it, leaving Jesse and his family to pay his medical bills, which amounted to hundreds of thousands of dollars. While he was still employed in TNA's management, his pay was so low that he had to work two different jobs as well, just so he could cover the expenses. His mother had to sell her restaurant and file for bankruptcy. All this while Hulk Hogan, his daughter Brooke, and Eric Bischoff were being paid $35,000 a week.

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* Jesse Sorensen's case is a notable one. He was signed in 2011, being built up as a strong contender to Austin Aries's X Division Championship. But then at the 2012 edition of ''Against All Odds'', Jesse got his neck damaged by a top-rope moonsault from Zema Ion. This caused panic among his fans and family, fearing he would never walk again. Soon after, Dixie approached Jesse's mother, assuring her that TNA would take care of the situation.
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situation. But it was not to be: She never did anything about it, leaving Jesse and his family to pay his medical bills, which amounted to hundreds of thousands of dollars. While he was still employed in TNA's management, his pay was so low that he had to work two different jobs as well, just so he could cover the expenses. His mother had to sell her restaurant and file for bankruptcy. All this while Hulk Hogan, his daughter Brooke, and Eric Bischoff were being paid $35,000 a week.



*** And then Jesse was [[ShaggyDogStory fired in 2013]] because of budget cuts. With a company that treats the people who work for and sacrifice their bodies for them that way, the hopes for them going out of business aren't without merit.

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*** ** And then Jesse was [[ShaggyDogStory fired in 2013]] because of budget cuts. With a company that treats the people who work for and sacrifice their bodies for them that way, the hopes for them going out of business aren't without merit.
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