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8th Nov '17 1:00:40 PM xcountryguy
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* ''Literature/AmericanGirls'': Felicity Merriman's parents exercise this when they learn Felicity has tamed Jiggy Nye's abused horse and intends to rescue her. Despite knowing Nye is a hateful abuser, they tell her that the horse belongs to him and that the right thing to do is give her back. [[spoiler: Subverted when Ben stands up for Felicity and Mr. Merriman offers to ''buy'' the horse, but it does little good when Felicity is forced to give the animal back and runs away in tears.]]

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* ''Literature/AmericanGirls'': Felicity Merriman's parents exercise this when they learn Felicity has tamed Jiggy Nye's abused horse and intends to rescue her. Despite knowing Nye is a hateful abuser, they tell her that the horse belongs to him and that the right thing to do is give her back. [[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted when Ben stands up for Felicity and Mr. Merriman offers to ''buy'' the horse, but it does little good when Felicity is forced to give the animal back and runs away in tears.]]



* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', the purpose of the Knights of the Cross is not to kill Denarians, but to save their hosts. They will give their foe every chance to surrender the coin, only killing the host if there is absolutely no other choice. And if the host does surrender the coin, their job is done, no matter how evil and vile the host may be, or how likely they are to seek another coin -- their purpose is not to judge, but to give each host a shot at redemption. Oddly enough, it does seem to work out for the best: [[spoiler:Sanya, Knight of the Cross and wielder of Esperacchius]] was a former Denarian host. However, also subverted -- [[spoiler: Michael and Sanya walk away from a particularly nasty host who had surrendered his coin in order for his life to be spared. However, they didn't insist that Harry do the same, and Harry, being the nice sort of chap he is, proceeds to break every major joint in the host's body with a baseball bat in order to extract important information and stop the host from escaping. And afterwards, the two Knights have a good laugh at the expression on the host's face when he realized he was left alone in a hotel room with a violently angry and vengeful man.]]

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* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', the purpose of the Knights of the Cross is not to kill Denarians, but to save their hosts. They will give their foe every chance to surrender the coin, only killing the host if there is absolutely no other choice. And if the host does surrender the coin, their job is done, no matter how evil and vile the host may be, or how likely they are to seek another coin -- their purpose is not to judge, but to give each host a shot at redemption. Oddly enough, it does seem to work out for the best: [[spoiler:Sanya, Knight of the Cross and wielder of Esperacchius]] was a former Denarian host. However, also subverted -- [[spoiler: Michael [[spoiler:Michael and Sanya walk away from a particularly nasty host who had surrendered his coin in order for his life to be spared. However, they didn't insist that Harry do the same, and Harry, being the nice sort of chap he is, proceeds to break every major joint in the host's body with a baseball bat in order to extract important information and stop the host from escaping. And afterwards, the two Knights have a good laugh at the expression on the host's face when he realized he was left alone in a hotel room with a violently angry and vengeful man.]]



* In ''Literature/EffiBriest'', after Isntetten discovers that [[spoiler: Effi had an affair 7 years prior]], he decides that he must demand satisfaction and reclaim his honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will destroy his family over an event that he's not even "that" upset about.

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* In ''Literature/EffiBriest'', after Isntetten discovers that [[spoiler: Effi [[spoiler:Effi had an affair 7 years prior]], he decides that he must demand satisfaction and reclaim his honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will destroy his family over an event that he's not even "that" upset about.



* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]

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* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would [[spoiler:would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]



* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': In ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'', Siron himself points out that the only thing he has to gain from [[spoiler: exposing his father's plan is staining his family's reputation and exposing himself to charges of treason. He explains that he couldn't live with himself otherwise. By the time of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'', he's become Kasile's servant as atonement for his role in the plan. This means he gets to hang out with his love interest all day]] so it turns out to be pretty reasonable too.

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* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': In ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'', Siron himself points out that the only thing he has to gain from [[spoiler: exposing [[spoiler:exposing his father's plan is staining his family's reputation and exposing himself to charges of treason. He explains that he couldn't live with himself otherwise. By the time of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'', he's become Kasile's servant as atonement for his role in the plan. This means he gets to hang out with his love interest all day]] so it turns out to be pretty reasonable too.



* This trait is ingrained into the training of the Disciples of Penance from ''Literature/OfFearAndFaith''. The group of them that the party meet in the Fortress of the Damned refused to abandon their station even long after it became clear that they were fighting a losing battle, and so they became trapped there, which [[DespairEventHorizon did not end well]] for them. [[spoiler: When they finally escape with the party's help, their leader Giovanna elects to turn herself in to her superiors to be arrested for leaving her post, and all of her soldiers follow her due to a combination of this trope and UndyingLoyalty to her.]]

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* This trait is ingrained into the training of the Disciples of Penance from ''Literature/OfFearAndFaith''. The group of them that the party meet in the Fortress of the Damned refused to abandon their station even long after it became clear that they were fighting a losing battle, and so they became trapped there, which [[DespairEventHorizon did not end well]] for them. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When they finally escape with the party's help, their leader Giovanna elects to turn herself in to her superiors to be arrested for leaving her post, and all of her soldiers follow her due to a combination of this trope and UndyingLoyalty to her.]]



* Played straight for cynicism in ''Literature/ThePrinceOfThorns'': Jorg is an almost-heartless monster who kills and tortures without hesitation or moral qualms. In the sequel ''The King of Thorns'', his foil the Prince of Arrow is an honorable man, who even gives Jorg the chance to surrender and refuses to kill him because he's still a boy. As repayment, Jorg [[spoiler: starts multiple avalanches on his army, his newlywed wife blows up the invaders who've gotten through the gate as well as their own defenders, he allies with trolls, and finally Jorg attacks the army with all of his necromantic and fire magics until both are burned out of him and the army is routed. But none of this really matters, because the honorable Prince of Arrow has already been killed by his own less-honorable brother.]]

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* Played straight for cynicism in ''Literature/ThePrinceOfThorns'': Jorg is an almost-heartless monster who kills and tortures without hesitation or moral qualms. In the sequel ''The King of Thorns'', his foil the Prince of Arrow is an honorable man, who even gives Jorg the chance to surrender and refuses to kill him because he's still a boy. As repayment, Jorg [[spoiler: starts [[spoiler:starts multiple avalanches on his army, his newlywed wife blows up the invaders who've gotten through the gate as well as their own defenders, he allies with trolls, and finally Jorg attacks the army with all of his necromantic and fire magics until both are burned out of him and the army is routed. But none of this really matters, because the honorable Prince of Arrow has already been killed by his own less-honorable brother.]]



* Kel from Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall''. In particular, she goes [[spoiler: into enemy territory with the intent of rescuing 500 refugees]]. By herself. This is so likely to end with her death that she herself acknowledges it. Admittedly, if she ''hadn't,'' then [[spoiler:the refugee children, two hundred of them, would have been [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made into nigh-unstoppable killing devices]]]], but that doesn't really enter into her reasons for why she does it. Fortunately, her TrueCompanions anticipated this and go to fight with her. They are a more understandable version of the trope; they still face exile/execution for betraying orders when they return to Tortall, but at least it won't be for nothing: they have a decent chance of defeating the BigBad, and evening out the war.

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* Kel from Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall''. In particular, she goes [[spoiler: into [[spoiler:into enemy territory with the intent of rescuing 500 refugees]]. By herself. This is so likely to end with her death that she herself acknowledges it. Admittedly, if she ''hadn't,'' then [[spoiler:the refugee children, two hundred of them, would have been [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made into nigh-unstoppable killing devices]]]], but that doesn't really enter into her reasons for why she does it. Fortunately, her TrueCompanions anticipated this and go to fight with her. They are a more understandable version of the trope; they still face exile/execution for betraying orders when they return to Tortall, but at least it won't be for nothing: they have a decent chance of defeating the BigBad, and evening out the war.



** Eddard "Ned" Stark from ''A Game of Thrones'' is such a classic example, this trope could easily be called 'The Ned Stark Mindset', hence the comic on the main page. The series being highly [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical in outlook]], this is a tragic flaw which leads directly to [[spoiler: his own death, his daughter's captivity, and his son's armed rebellion.]] However, the series plays with the trope quite a lot:
** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]
** Eddard's son Robb Stark unfortunately inherits this trait. [[spoiler: Despite his pledge to marry a Frey lady to seal his alliance with the Freys, he marries another woman, to save her honor after sleeping with her, shortly after Frey men died fighting for him. This eventually leads to them betraying him, resulting in not only his own death, but that of his mother and thousands of his men.]]
** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old, innocent man in cold blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life since [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) would kill him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]
** The Karstarks (actual distant relations) are just as bad, if in a different way. They have honor, and are prickly about maintaining the letter of it. To the point of [[spoiler: taking umbrage when Robb has to execute one of their members for, frankly, being a grief-stricken, convention-breaking idiot]] which causes most [[spoiler: to turn coat]] instead of acknowledging the whole "stewardship of the North" thing the Starks have going on may occasionally lead to conflicts of honor like this. The insanity snowballs towards [[spoiler: a major in-family fight over who will inherit their own titles, let alone anything else]], at a point in time when the bigger seasonal picture is not that healthy for anybody not being able to pull together as a whole. Well done, Karstarks: you can shoot yourselves in the feet about as well as Starks can.

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** Eddard "Ned" Stark from ''A Game of Thrones'' is such a classic example, this trope could easily be called 'The Ned Stark Mindset', hence the comic on the main page. The series being highly [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical in outlook]], this is a tragic flaw which leads directly to [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his own death, his daughter's captivity, and his son's armed rebellion.]] However, the series plays with the trope quite a lot:
** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving [[spoiler:giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, [[spoiler:first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]
** Eddard's son Robb Stark unfortunately inherits this trait. [[spoiler: Despite [[spoiler:Despite his pledge to marry a Frey lady to seal his alliance with the Freys, he marries another woman, to save her honor after sleeping with her, shortly after Frey men died fighting for him. This eventually leads to them betraying him, resulting in not only his own death, but that of his mother and thousands of his men.]]
** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old, innocent man in cold blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life since [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) would kill him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[spoiler:Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's [[spoiler:he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]
** The Karstarks (actual distant relations) are just as bad, if in a different way. They have honor, and are prickly about maintaining the letter of it. To the point of [[spoiler: taking [[spoiler:taking umbrage when Robb has to execute one of their members for, frankly, being a grief-stricken, convention-breaking idiot]] which causes most [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to turn coat]] instead of acknowledging the whole "stewardship of the North" thing the Starks have going on may occasionally lead to conflicts of honor like this. The insanity snowballs towards [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a major in-family fight over who will inherit their own titles, let alone anything else]], at a point in time when the bigger seasonal picture is not that healthy for anybody not being able to pull together as a whole. Well done, Karstarks: you can shoot yourselves in the feet about as well as Starks can.



** Temeraire justifiably hates this aspect of his captain's personality, particularly when it [[spoiler: gets him shot in ''League of Dragons'']]:

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** Temeraire justifiably hates this aspect of his captain's personality, particularly when it [[spoiler: gets [[spoiler:gets him shot in ''League of Dragons'']]:



24th Oct '17 1:53:46 AM Argon2
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-->Ifi: You can morph too, dude
-->Ifi: Did you forget that you can morph?
-->Ifi: You can all morph.
-->Ifi: You can ALL morph.
-->Adam: Isn't escaping the honorable thing to do?
-->Ifi: Not as honorable as MASS RITUAL SUICIDE

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-->Ifi: You can morph too, dude
-->Ifi:
dude\\
Ifi:
Did you forget that you can morph?
-->Ifi:
morph?\\
Ifi:
You can all morph.
-->Ifi:
morph.\\
Ifi:
You can ALL morph.
-->Adam:
morph.\\
Adam:
Isn't escaping the honorable thing to do?
-->Ifi:
do?\\
Ifi:
Not as honorable as MASS RITUAL SUICIDE




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* In the ''Critical IF'' gamebook ''Once Upon A Time In Arabia'', an impoverished Bedouin tribe offers the player character their last scrap of food because of SacredHospitality- a gift which ''will'' mean they go hungry. If the player refuses, [[spoiler:they will fly into a rage and ''pelt you with rocks.'']]
-->'''Tribe Chief:''' [[spoiler:We offer you our only food, and you repay us by taking our pride instead! Begone! Perish in the wilderness, you ungrateful dogs!]]
17th Oct '17 1:11:10 PM Dwoem
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', the trope is discussed in [[http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/snare-13-10/ Snare 13.10]] when [[spoiler:Grue i.e. Brian is talking to Taylor i.e. Skitter]]:
-->'''[[spoiler:Brian]]:''' I ''worry'' about you. You throw yourself into these situations like you don't care if you die, like you've got nothing to stick around for except for those people you insist on protecting. [[spoiler:Dinah]], the people from [[spoiler:your territory]]. People you barely know, if at all. And then you actually make it out okay, so you do it again, only more so. Riskier stuff. I start thinking about how I'm supposed to protect you, get you to stop, get you to focus on a goal that's actually attainable, because you're so capable that you could be amazing if you stopped acting suicidal.
22nd Jun '17 12:18:59 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Assassin's Guild also works this way. They see themselves as gentlemen and always act that way, doing stuff like always dressing in black, even when black would be highly conspicuous. They do this mostly because if there was a legal Guild of Assassins that ''didn't'' subscribe to honorable (and thwartable) methods of doing things, then all anyone could do would be to sit in a room all day pointing a crossbow at the door.

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** The Assassin's Guild also works this way. They see themselves as gentlemen and always act that way, doing stuff like always dressing in black, even when black would be highly conspicuous. They do this mostly because if there was a legal Guild of Assassins that ''didn't'' subscribe to honorable (and thwartable) methods of doing things, then all anyone could do would be to sit in a room all day pointing a crossbow at the door. This shows up in ''Discworld/NightWatch'' where the young Vetinari is a much more effective assassin than most because he uses ''actual'' stealth techniques, but even he still switches to the traditional garb for the actual kill.
8th May '17 3:10:23 PM Derkhan
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* Rest from ''Literature/LoyalEnemies'' tries hard to act like this, although this is rather played for laughs. For some reason, he keeps on insisting that Shelena (badass werewolf ActionGirl) is a DamselInDistress, refuses to abandon his master to a "wild beast" (aforementioned Shelena) even when Veres explicitly tells him to, and won't leave Shelena even if it would make her job easier. And it's not like he's any good at fighting.
** Shelena may mock him for it, but one can also question her decision to take Veres home and kill him when he tried to kill her at least once before and will surely try it again. She states that it's because she wants to finish their matters honorably (which is odd, as she's usually a CombatPragmatist).

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* Rest from ''Literature/LoyalEnemies'' tries hard to act like this, although this is rather played for laughs. For some reason, he keeps on insisting that Shelena (badass werewolf ActionGirl) is a DamselInDistress, refuses to abandon his master to a "wild beast" (aforementioned Shelena) even when Veres explicitly tells him to, and won't leave Shelena even if it would make her job easier. And it's not like he's any good at fighting.
''Literature/LoyalEnemies'':
** Shelena may mock him for it, but one One can also question her Shelena's decision to take Veres home and kill him when he try to heal the man who tried to kill her at least once before and will surely try it again. She states that it's because already. However, she wants to finish their matters honorably (which properly, and a knife in the back is odd, not a proper way at all.
** Rest ''breathes'' this trope, his idea of honor being probably taken from some knight lore. First, he decides to take revenge on badass werewolf ActionGirl Shelena for supposedly "eating" his master, even though he ought to know that she could easily have him
as she's usually a CombatPragmatist).midnight snack. When later he and Shelena are captured by hired thugs, he decides to act as if Shelena of all people was a DamselInDistress, and refuses to abandon her even if he might save her by this. She endlessly curses him and calls him out on that, but Rest would not budge despite being scared out of his life.
26th Apr '17 2:35:34 PM AthenaBlue
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* Ward of ''Literature/{{Hurog}}'': When two men come to his estate, explaining that they're after a slave who went to Hurog because he heard a story about there being no slavery in Hurog (a long-forgotten law that hasn't been enforced for a long time), and they now expect Ward's help in getting that slave recaptured, Ward calmly states that "[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome There are no slaves in Hurog]]". His uncle then explains that the ancient law of the land is that a slave, once in Hurog, is not a slave any longer. The men are not pleased, and they work for the king. No one wonders, as Ward has been ObfuscatingStupidity for some time, and no one expects him to make ''intelligent'' decisions, and he is known for his love of ancient ballads. The decision turns out to work in Ward's favor, as he has to flee the castle anyway (the men have also come to take him to an asylum because he's seemingly insane), and his own, magically bound slave Oreg (whom he cannot free) is ''very'' favorably impressed by the decision. Ward does not adhere to a concept of honor where you don't run away -- he happily does so, in order to protect the people on his land, who would die if forced to fight the king's army.
* Eddard "Ned" Stark from ''[[Lilterature/ASongofIceandFire A Game of Thrones]]'' is such a classic example, this trope could easily be called 'The Ned Stark Mindset', hence the comic on the main page. The series being highly [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical in outlook]], this is a tragic flaw which leads directly to [[spoiler: his own death, his daughter's captivity, and his son's armed rebellion.]] However, the series plays with the trope quite a lot:
** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]
** Eddard's son Robb Stark unfortunately inherits this trait. [[spoiler: Despite his pledge to marry a Frey lady to seal his alliance with the Freys, he marries another woman, to save her honor after sleeping with her, shortly after Frey men died fighting for him. This eventually leads to them betraying him, resulting in not only his own death, but that of his mother and thousands of his men.]]
** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old, innocent man in cold blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life since [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) would kill him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]
** The Karstarks (actual distant relations) are just as bad, if in a different way. They have honor, and are prickly about maintaining the letter of it. To the point of [[spoiler: taking umbrage when Robb has to execute one of their members for, frankly, being a grief-stricken, convention-breaking idiot]] which causes most [[spoiler: to turn coat]] instead of acknowledging the whole "stewardship of the North" thing the Starks have going on may occasionally lead to conflicts of honor like this. The insanity snowballs towards [[spoiler: a major in-family fight over who will inherit their own titles, let alone anything else]], at a point in time when the bigger seasonal picture is not that healthy for anybody not being able to pull together as a whole. Well done, Karstarks: you can shoot yourselves in the feet about as well as Starks can.
** Subverted in the case of House Arryn. Honor is a trait of House Arryn and it's heavily implied that the only reason the Starks are so honorable is because Ned was fostered with Jon Arryn, but by the beginning of the series, the only Arryns left are crazy Lysa and her sickly six year old son.
** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, having to kill King Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Jaime is denounced as "Kingslayer".]]]]
** Much like Jaime, former Kingsguard Ser Barristan Selmy is shown to struggle with his guilt at putting HonourBeforeReason and standing by throughout Aerys' reign.
** The Night's Watch must defend the realm from anything beyond the wall and stay out of any political entanglements. [[spoiler:Jon Snow tries to mobilise the Watch to rein in the warring kingdoms before the Others return, and gets stabbed for it. That said, PoorCommunicationKills is also at work here, because as far as his Watchmen can tell, he's not only picking sides but backing long-shot underdog Stannis, whose expected defeat would leave the Watch open to retribution.]]
** Stannis Baratheon, too. He doesn't even ''want'' to be king, but he's going to fight for it because to his way of thinking, he's the rightful king whether he likes it or not. For the same reason, he refuses to ally himself with competing kings Renly or Robb Stark even though he badly needs allies against the Lannisters. Learning to compromise and put aside his personal grievances for the good of the realm is his main character arc, but his stubborn commitment to honour remains constant.
** Of course, it is worth pointing out that it works the other way. Characters who are seen as too ruthless or dishonourable become pariahs, even if their actions are well-meaning (for example, Ned Stark garnered a reputation as a merciless HangingJudge for his commitment to the word of honour), leading to others refusing to trust them, ally with them or utilise their valuable skills, which causes issues all over the place. [[SacredHospitality Guest Right]] is the one near-universally valued tradition in Westeros, and [[spoiler:the Frey's]] violation of it [[spoiler:during the Red Wedding to massacre the Starks and end The War of the Five Kings in one swoop]] leads to severe political consequences for the perpetrators and chaos throughout the continent.
** Late-game POV character Jon Connington comes to the conclusion that he put HonourBeforeReason in giving Robert Baratheon time to escape in the Battle of the Bells instead of [[KillEmAll burning the whole town down]], and resolves to be more ruthless in future. The reader is left to draw their own conclusion as to whether he is right.
** Brienne of Tarth aspires to a knightly honour code, and is keenly aware of this trope when she sees that defending a group of war orphans will mean taking on six armed bandits by herself. She tries it anyway, to the internal monologue of ''No chance, and no choice''.
* In David Wingrove's ''Literature/ChungKuo'', members of the House (the parliament) have the son of the T'ang of Europe killed. Knowing where this could lead, the T'ang decides to let matters be. The leader of his army, Marshal Tolonen, does not obey orders. Instead he marches into the House in session and slits the throat of one of the plotters. This sets the stage for everything else.
* Rest from ''Literature/LoyalEnemies'' tries hard to act like this, although this is rather played for laughs. For some reason, he keeps on insisting that Shelena badass werewolf ActionGirl) is DamselInDistress, refuses to abandon his master to a "wild beast" (aforementioned Shelena) even when Veres explicitly tells him to, and won't leave Shelena even if it would make her job easier. And it's not like he's any good at fighting.
** Shelena may mock him for it, but one can also question her decision to take Veres home and kill him when he tried to kill her at least once before and will surely try it again. She states that it's because she wants to finish their matters honorably (which is odd, as she's usually CombatPragmatist).
* Literature/BraveNewWorld: [[NobleSavage John the Savage]], oh so very much.
* Kel from Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall''. In particular, she goes [[spoiler: into enemy territory with the intent of rescuing 500 refugees]]. By herself. This is so likely to end with her death that she herself acknowledges it. Admittedly, if she ''hadn't,'' then [[spoiler: the refugee children, two hundred of them, would have been [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made into nigh-unstoppable killing devices]]]], but that doesn't really enter into her reasons for why she does it. Fortunately, her TrueCompanions anticipated this and go to fight with her. They are a more understandable version of the trope; they still face exile/execution for betraying orders when they return to Tortall, but at least it won't be for nothing: they have a decent chance of defeating the BigBad, and evening out the war.
* Horton The Elephant from Creator/DrSeuss is an elephant of unshakable honor; once he gives his word, ''nothing'' will make him go back on it regardless of much danger, humiliation or rejection he suffers. Fortunately, his stories always end with him coming out on top because of this sense of honor.

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* Ward of ''Literature/{{Hurog}}'': When two men come to his estate, explaining that they're after a slave who went to Hurog because he heard a story about there being no slavery in Hurog (a long-forgotten law that hasn't been enforced for a long time), and ''Literature/AmericanGirls'': Felicity Merriman's parents exercise this when they now expect Ward's help in getting that slave recaptured, Ward calmly states that "[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome There are no slaves in Hurog]]". His uncle then explains learn Felicity has tamed Jiggy Nye's abused horse and intends to rescue her. Despite knowing Nye is a hateful abuser, they tell her that the ancient law of the land is horse belongs to him and that a slave, once in Hurog, is not a slave any longer. The men are not pleased, and they work for the king. No one wonders, as Ward has been ObfuscatingStupidity for some time, and no one expects him right thing to make ''intelligent'' decisions, and he do is known for his love of ancient ballads. The decision turns out to work in Ward's favor, as he has to flee the castle anyway (the men have also come to take him to an asylum because he's seemingly insane), and his own, magically bound slave Oreg (whom he cannot free) is ''very'' favorably impressed by the decision. Ward does not adhere to a concept of honor where you don't run away -- he happily does so, in order to protect the people on his land, who would die if forced to fight the king's army.
* Eddard "Ned" Stark from ''[[Lilterature/ASongofIceandFire A Game of Thrones]]'' is such a classic example, this trope could easily be called 'The Ned Stark Mindset', hence the comic on the main page. The series being highly [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical in outlook]], this is a tragic flaw which leads directly to
give her back. [[spoiler: his own death, his daughter's captivity, Subverted when Ben stands up for Felicity and his son's armed rebellion.]] However, Mr. Merriman offers to ''buy'' the series plays with horse, but it does little good when Felicity is forced to give the trope quite a lot:
** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]],
animal back and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit runs away in an attempt to protect Sansa.tears.]]
** Eddard's son Robb Stark unfortunately inherits * Though usually a very pragmatic series, ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' pulls this trait. [[spoiler: Despite one out of left field during the David Trilogy. The titular character is a SixthRanger the Animorphs have narrowly saved from capture, who in the process has been completely cut off from his pledge to marry a Frey lady to seal family, his alliance with the Freys, he marries another woman, to save her honor after sleeping with her, shortly after Frey men died fighting for him. This eventually leads to them betraying him, resulting in not only his own death, but that of his mother home, and thousands of his men.]]
** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old, innocent man in cold blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life since [[spoiler: the group of wildlings
everything he's ever known. Normally a pragmatic bunch, the Animorphs suddenly become unyielding sentinels of morality in dealing with (as him, forcing him to sleep in a FakeDefector cold barn rather than letting him sleep in a hotel room (which he admittedly broke into). Jake even goes so far as to ''threaten David's life'', which is especially jarring when one considers how often the other members of the team have used their powers for the Watch) would kill him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive selfish ends. With all this dumped on him, it's really no surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya
when David [[SanitySlippage lacks honor snaps]] and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably goes SixthRangerTraitor on them.
** In ''The Decision'', all
the closest example of Andalites on a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired ship decide to join the Watch.]]
** The Karstarks (actual distant relations) are just as bad, if in a different way. They have honor, and are prickly about maintaining the letter of it. To the point of [[spoiler: taking umbrage
collectively commit suicide rather than running away when Robb has to execute one of their members for, frankly, being a grief-stricken, convention-breaking idiot]] which causes most [[spoiler: to turn coat]] instead of acknowledging the whole "stewardship of the North" thing the Starks have going on may occasionally lead to conflicts of honor like this. The insanity snowballs towards [[spoiler: a major in-family fight over who will inherit their own titles, let alone anything else]], at a point in time when the bigger seasonal picture is not it becomes clear that healthy for anybody not being able to pull together as a whole. Well done, Karstarks: they can't defeat the Yeerks the way they'd hoped. This was [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in Blog/CinnamonBunzuh:
-->Ifi: You can morph too, dude
-->Ifi: Did you forget that
you can shoot yourselves in morph?
-->Ifi: You can all morph.
-->Ifi: You can ALL morph.
-->Adam: Isn't escaping
the feet about as well as Starks can.
** Subverted in the case of House Arryn. Honor is a trait of House Arryn and it's heavily implied that the only reason the Starks are so
honorable is because Ned was fostered with Jon Arryn, but by the beginning of the series, the only Arryns left are crazy Lysa and her sickly six year old son.
** The Kingsguard are sworn
thing to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, having to kill King Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Jaime is denounced do?
-->Ifi: Not
as "Kingslayer".]]]]
** Much like Jaime, former Kingsguard Ser Barristan Selmy is shown to struggle with his guilt at putting HonourBeforeReason and standing by throughout Aerys' reign.
** The Night's Watch must defend the realm from anything beyond the wall and stay out of any political entanglements. [[spoiler:Jon Snow tries to mobilise the Watch to rein in the warring kingdoms before the Others return, and gets stabbed for it. That said, PoorCommunicationKills is also at work here, because
honorable as far as his Watchmen can tell, he's not only picking sides but backing long-shot underdog Stannis, whose expected defeat would leave the Watch open to retribution.]]
** Stannis Baratheon, too. He doesn't even ''want'' to be king, but he's going to fight for it because to his way of thinking, he's the rightful king whether he likes it or not. For the same reason, he refuses to ally himself with competing kings Renly or Robb Stark even though he badly needs allies against the Lannisters. Learning to compromise and put aside his personal grievances for the good of the realm is his main character arc, but his stubborn commitment to honour remains constant.
** Of course, it is worth pointing out that it works the other way. Characters who are seen as too ruthless or dishonourable become pariahs, even if their actions are well-meaning (for example, Ned Stark garnered a reputation as a merciless HangingJudge for his commitment to the word of honour), leading to others refusing to trust them, ally with them or utilise their valuable skills, which causes issues all over the place. [[SacredHospitality Guest Right]] is the one near-universally valued tradition in Westeros, and [[spoiler:the Frey's]] violation of it [[spoiler:during the Red Wedding to massacre the Starks and end The War of the Five Kings in one swoop]] leads to severe political consequences for the perpetrators and chaos throughout the continent.
** Late-game POV character Jon Connington comes to the conclusion that he put HonourBeforeReason in giving Robert Baratheon time to escape in the Battle of the Bells instead of [[KillEmAll burning the whole town down]], and resolves to be more ruthless in future. The reader is left to draw their own conclusion as to whether he is right.
** Brienne of Tarth aspires to a knightly honour code, and is keenly aware of this trope when she sees that defending a group of war orphans will mean taking on six armed bandits by herself. She tries it anyway, to the internal monologue of ''No chance, and no choice''.
* In David Wingrove's ''Literature/ChungKuo'', members of the House (the parliament) have the son of the T'ang of Europe killed. Knowing where this could lead, the T'ang decides to let matters be. The leader of his army, Marshal Tolonen, does not obey orders. Instead he marches into the House in session and slits the throat of one of the plotters. This sets the stage for everything else.
* Rest from ''Literature/LoyalEnemies'' tries hard to act like this, although this is rather played for laughs. For some reason, he keeps on insisting that Shelena badass werewolf ActionGirl) is DamselInDistress, refuses to abandon his master to a "wild beast" (aforementioned Shelena) even when Veres explicitly tells him to, and won't leave Shelena even if it would make her job easier. And it's not like he's any good at fighting.
** Shelena may mock him for it, but one can also question her decision to take Veres home and kill him when he tried to kill her at least once before and will surely try it again. She states that it's because she wants to finish their matters honorably (which is odd, as she's usually CombatPragmatist).
* Literature/BraveNewWorld: [[NobleSavage John the Savage]], oh so very much.
* Kel from Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall''. In particular, she goes [[spoiler: into enemy territory with the intent of rescuing 500 refugees]]. By herself. This is so likely to end with her death that she herself acknowledges it. Admittedly, if she ''hadn't,'' then [[spoiler: the refugee children, two hundred of them, would have been [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made into nigh-unstoppable killing devices]]]], but that doesn't really enter into her reasons for why she does it. Fortunately, her TrueCompanions anticipated this and go to fight with her. They are a more understandable version of the trope; they still face exile/execution for betraying orders when they return to Tortall, but at least it won't be for nothing: they have a decent chance of defeating the BigBad, and evening out the war.
* Horton The Elephant from Creator/DrSeuss is an elephant of unshakable honor; once he gives his word, ''nothing'' will make him go back on it regardless of much danger, humiliation or rejection he suffers. Fortunately, his stories always end with him coming out on top because of this sense of honor.
MASS RITUAL SUICIDE



* Averted in ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'': It is Will's opinion that honor might make you feel important, but when fighting is a matter of life or death, you have to fight dirty.
** Especially when you're twelve, and going against grown-ups.
* In ''[[Literature/{{Temeraire}} Empire of Ivory]]'' Laurence cannot abide High Command's act of [[spoiler: sending a Typhoid Mary among the French aerial corps -- an act which probably would win the war for England, but would just as likely also result in genocide among Europe's (and possibly Asia's) dragons. So, in an act he knows will see him hung, he steals some of the curative mushrooms they'd gathered from Africa, and goes AWOL to deliver them to the French.]] In a further act of Honor Before Reason, he [[spoiler:turns down Napoleon's offer of asylum or safe passage to China, preferring to return to England and face the music. Temeraire, getting in on the act, refuses to let him return alone. Laurence urges him to return to China, because he knew Temeraire was destined to be used as nothing but breeding stock if he went back. He doesn't.]] And the book ends with them flying back together.
** [[spoiler:Admiral Roland]] {{lampshade}}s this in the fifth book by pointing out how this verges on LawfulStupid: he could have [[spoiler:sent a discreet letter to [[strike:Napoleon]] ''anyone in France'' telling them where to get the curative mushrooms; someone as ingenious as Napoleon could easily have bribed a servant for a sample.]] This would have prevented [[spoiler:High Command's act of genocide]] ''without'' anyone knowing it was him.
*** [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Laurence would know though]] and explicitly says it makes no difference and is treason either way.
** Which only comes after he stops another (Prussian) character from shooting Napoleon from cover, but this may be not thanks to honor but his reasoning that Lien would have mauled them if they'd killed Napoleon not, which would have stopped them from revealing the French's plans they had just overheard.
** Temeraire justifiably hates this aspect of his captain's personality, particularly when it [[spoiler: gets him shot in League of Dragons]]:
-->'''Temeraire:''' ''Honor'' was a word which seemed associated with every worst disaster of his life: a hollowness for which Laurence had before now been willing to die in the most unnecessary fashion, and this one more unnecessary than ever.
* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]

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* Averted in ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'': It is Will's opinion that honor might make you feel important, but when fighting is a matter of life or death, you have to fight dirty.
** Especially when you're twelve, and going against grown-ups.
* In ''[[Literature/{{Temeraire}} Empire of Ivory]]'' Laurence cannot abide High Command's act of [[spoiler: sending a Typhoid Mary among the French aerial corps -- an act which probably would win the war for England, but would just as likely also result in genocide among Europe's (and possibly Asia's) dragons. So, in an act he knows will see him hung, he steals some
Byrhtnoth Byrhthelming, hero of the curative mushrooms Anglo-Saxon poem ''Literature/TheBattleOfMaldon'' (fought in 991), has a horrible case of this: the Saxon army is on the mainland, the Viking enemy are on a marshy island with a one-man-wide causeway as the only way off, the Viking leader says that a really honourable opponent would let them cross and fight on open ground... and Byrhtnoth ''agrees''. The Saxons are crushed and he dies.
** YMMV here, as he may have suspected that if he didn't let them fight on open ground,
they'd gathered merely sail off and raid the next town over. He had the largest force in the area, and thus the best chance to stop the raiders, making this more of a SenselessSacrifice.
* In ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', the Arends have this as their [[PlanetOfHats hat]]. Mandorallen takes this to the extreme even for an Arend.
* ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'': [[NobleSavage John the Savage]], oh so very much.
* Colonel Nicholson in ''Literature/TheBridgeOverTheRiverKwai'' orders his men not to attempt an escape
from Africa, and goes AWOL to deliver the prison camp, because the circumstances under which they were captured mean that it would technically be against the rules for them to escape. He also helps his captors build a better bridge because they ordered him to.
* ''The Bronze Horseman'' by Paullina Simons. Alexander and Dimitri plan to desert during
the French.]] Finnish War by volunteering to search for their commanding officer's missing son. When they really do find him while crossing the lines, Alexander insists they bring him back, earning Alexander the eternal gratitude of their CO, and the hatred of his friend Dimitri.
* During ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' Jerin gives his word of honor that he will be a placid, willing captive if his captors will spare Cira. He promptly turns on them, explaining to Cira that this is dealing with these people on their level -- they're already shown themselves to not be trustworthy in the least.
*
In P.C. Hodgell's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath'', the Kencyr peoples display this trait as a further act of whole. Honor Before Reason, he [[spoiler:turns down Napoleon's offer of asylum or safe passage to China, preferring to return to England overrides reason and face common sense, although the music. Temeraire, getting in on cleverer Kencyr are very good at working out ways to keep within the act, Law while doing whatever they want.
* In David Wingrove's ''Literature/ChungKuo'', members of the House (the parliament) have the son of the T'ang of Europe killed. Knowing where this could lead, the T'ang decides to let matters be. The leader of his army, Marshal Tolonen, does not obey orders. Instead he marches into the House in session and slits the throat of one of the plotters. This sets the stage for everything else.
* Eremon in Jules Watson's ''Dalriada Trilogy''. He
refuses to let him return alone. Laurence urges him to return to China, because he knew Temeraire was destined to be used as nothing but breeding stock if he went back. He doesn't.]] And turn on the book ends with them flying back together.
** [[spoiler:Admiral Roland]] {{lampshade}}s this in the fifth book by pointing out how this verges on LawfulStupid: he could have [[spoiler:sent a discreet letter to [[strike:Napoleon]] ''anyone in France'' telling them where to get the curative mushrooms; someone as ingenious as Napoleon could easily have bribed a servant for a sample.]] This would have prevented [[spoiler:High Command's act of genocide]] ''without'' anyone knowing it was him.
*** [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Laurence would know though]] and explicitly says it makes no difference and is treason either way.
** Which
Scots tribe he's only comes after he stops another (Prussian) character from shooting Napoleon from cover, but this may be not thanks to honor but his reasoning that Lien would have mauled them if they'd killed Napoleon not, which would have stopped them from revealing the French's plans they had just overheard.
** Temeraire justifiably hates this aspect of his captain's personality, particularly when it [[spoiler: gets him shot in League of Dragons]]:
-->'''Temeraire:''' ''Honor'' was a word which seemed associated with every worst disaster of his life: a hollowness for which Laurence had before now been willing to die in the most unnecessary fashion, and this one more unnecessary than ever.
* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously,
recently met in order to protect join the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: Romans, even though it would be in his best interest to do so. Since there's no apparent reason why he'd be so loyal to the rather let herself die ungrateful tribe, this comes across more as a plot device than anything else.
* In ''Literature/DangerousSpirits'', Konstantine falls just short of considering any criticism against the Tsar to
be transplanted into another body nothing less than outright treason, and breaks several friendships by reporting them to his superiors when his compatriots comment that the Tsar, while a great man, does not have a God-given right to rule.
* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karyl's plan to defend them is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling this cowardly and trying to force him to
take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body the honorable route of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting that was as close the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to her ethical standards as possible.]]one, Karyl lambasts the Gardeners for the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.



---> "Carrot, what have I told you about the [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Marquis of ]]'''[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Bloody ]]'''[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Fantailler?]]"

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---> "Carrot, --->"Carrot, what have I told you about the [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Marquis of ]]'''[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Bloody ]]'''[[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Fantailler?]]"



* Galad Damodred, from Robert Jordan's [[strike:12-book trilogy]] [[strike:DoorStopper]] bookshelf-destroyer fantasy series ''TheWheelOfTime'', ''always'' does what is right, no matter the cost to himself or others. His half-sister considers him loathsome for this reason. He also joins the series' version of the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]], which created similar opinions in readers. This actually works in his favor in ''Knife of Dreams'' when he challenges an opponent knowing that his opponent was the better swordsman [[spoiler:only to win because his opponent was dragging out the fight to make Galad suffer. The result is that the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] now follow him.]]
** This seems like something of an informed ability (or maybe "informed personality trait"?). Throughout the books, Galad is usually willing to help most of the other characters that cross his path, or at least doesn't look to deep into things when they blatantly lie to him. He's avoided the soul-scarring spiritual and mental anguish pretty much every single other person has to deal with, and has managed to purge most of the evil elements from his fanatically-loyal army, while getting them to drop their centuries-long "Magic is Evil" crusade in favor of fighting the true Big Bad. For a series that is all about tragic flaws, Galad seems to make his work.
** Also, there's the Ogier, who'll ''never'' go back on their word, a fact exploited by Faile in ''The Shadow Rising'' in order to [[spoiler:force Perrin to take her with him to the Two Rivers]].
* In "Literature/EffiBriest", after Isntetten discovers that [[spoiler: Effi had an affair 7 years prior]], he decides that he must demand satisfaction and reclaim his honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will destroy his family over an event that he's not even "that" upset about.
* Refreshingly averted in ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' (even though you'd be forgiven for mistaking the trope name [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming for one of its titles]]): most main characters, while definitely being persons of honor, hold those who enter the LawfulStupid territory due to this in the very low regard. Especially the title character, who once suffered a command officer that tried to use this trope to cover his incompetence.[[note]]Said commander, later made an admiral, got his comeuppance during Haven's Operation Thunderbolt, albeit at the expense of the fleet he commanded and the world it was assigned to guard.[[/note]]
** Although played completely straight by the PlanetOfHats Montana, filled with rugged individualists who all put honor above reason. In fact, their chief law enforcement officer is open about the fact that if he felt strongly enough about resisting the annexation of the Talbot cluster, he would resign and fight it openly like his erstwhile friend rather than continue in his job where he is immensely respected.
** Honor herself is generally pretty honourable (appropriately enough!) -- she just makes sure when she gives her word that she either really means to keep it or phrases it so carefully that she technically didn't break it (as in ''Honor Among Enemies'').
** It is played straight a few times where it is outright stated that making a heroic sacrifice to uphold the Star Kingdom's honor is a part of the Navy's tradition. Or in other words, getting your ship destroyed rather than be seen retreating is regarded as stupid but getting your ship destroyed attempting to protect civilians or an allied planet is simply following in the tradition of Edward Saganami. Michael Oversteegen sums it up:
--->"Well," Oversteegen said with a cold, hungry smile, "defendin' other people's planets against unprovoked attack by murderous scum seems t' have become something of a tradition for my Queen's Navy over the past few decades. Under the circumstances, I'm sure she'll forgive me for followin' that tradition."
* ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' has Liu Bei, who ''nominally'' honors this trope (for political correctness' sake, apparently with Confucianism and thus this trope being ''en vogue''). Subverted in that more than once he operates less than nicely, whereas other times Honor Before Reason's the reason that he's the protagonist.
** For example, his refusal to simply take over Jing province before Cao Cao's arrival, even when Zhuge Liang specifically calls him on it, is because it would be interrupting the "natural" succession to the eldest son of current governor Liu Biao, and he doesn't want to take any criticism from "the people" for it, even though the dying Liu Biao himself requested that Liu Bei be his inheritor. In an earlier case of this with the late governor Tao Qian of Xu province, the late governor's officers and people begged Liu Bei to accept the succession... and even after Liu Bei gave in, he soon tried to give the office away to ''[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Lu Bu]]''.
** ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 7'' had a variation where Liu Bei similarly refused to usurp his relative and host Liu Zhang of Yi province -- even though controlling Yi province was the key step in his advisor Zhuge Liang's "Tripartite Realm" strategy -- leading to his other advisor Pang Tong, and his generals Huang Zhong and Wei Yan, "mutinying" against Liu Zhang on behalf of Liu Bei and "the people," leaving Liu Bei upset until he saw that "the people" seemed to be perfectly fine with this.
* In Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings - The Two Towers'', Aragorn makes a statement fitting this trope when the Brothers-in-Arms have gone into Fangorn in search of Merry and Pippin.
-->'''Gimli:''' Then what shall we do now? We cannot pursue them through the whole fastness of Fangorn. We have come ill supplied. If we do not find them soon, we shall be of no use to them, except to sit down beside them and show our friendship by starving together.\\
'''Aragorn:''' If that is indeed all we can do, then we must do that. Let us go on.
** In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', the [[IGaveMyWord Oath of Fëanor]] is particularly problematic: the eldest sons of Fëanor feel compelled to fulfill their oath, even though this means doing things which are not only counterproductive but which they know to be utterly wrong.
*** That's pretty much the plot of the Quenta Silmarillion: The hubris, stupidity, and irrational stubbornness of the good guys, especially the elves, does at least as much damage as Morgoth himself.
** Denethor also accuses Faramir of this in ''The Return of the King'', though unfairly. (Denethor feels that the Ring would have been useful to his country in the war, while Faramir believed it was too dangerous to use and therefore did not take the opportunity to get it from Frodo.)
--> "Ever your desire is to appear lordly and generous as a king of old, gracious, gentle. That may well befit one of a high race, if he sits in power and peace. But in desperate hours gentleness may be repaid with death."
** Bilbo in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' refused to kill Gollum out of pity, when it was clearly the sensible thing to do, as did Frodo (and eventually Sam) in the sequel. These actions led to the eventual saving of Middle-Earth, even when they seemed completely illogical at the time.

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* Galad Damodred, from Robert Jordan's [[strike:12-book trilogy]] [[strike:DoorStopper]] bookshelf-destroyer fantasy series ''TheWheelOfTime'', ''always'' does what The entire novel of ''[[Literature/DonQuixote Don Quixote de La Mancha]]'' is right, no matter the cost to himself or others. His half-sister considers him loathsome for this reason. He also joins the series' version a parody of the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]], which created similar opinions in readers. This actually works in his favor in ''Knife ChivalricRomance of Dreams'' Cervantes' time, including their obsession with honor.
** The first example is
when he challenges an opponent knowing that Don Quixote [[WeHelpTheHelpless "rescues" Andrés from being flogged by his opponent was the better swordsman [[spoiler:only master]], Juan Haduldo. Don Quixote bullies Juan into promising to win let Andres go, and he departs to other adventures, [[GenreSavvy because his opponent was dragging out the fight to make Galad suffer. The result is he has read that when a Knight]] [[IGaveMyWord gives his word, it’s enough.]] [[WrongGenreSavvy Unfortunately, this is the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] now follow him.first modern novel]] [[RealityEnsues and Juan flogges Andres even harder.]]
** This seems like something * The Knights of an informed ability (or maybe "informed personality trait"?). Throughout Solamnia in the books, Galad ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' saga.
** [[CatchPhrase Est sularis oth mithas]].[[note]]"My honor
is usually willing to help most my life."[[/note]]
** The Knighthood as a whole was doing a-okay right up until [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the Cataclysm]]. In the aftermath, the public began turning against them, saying that the Cataclysm was either their fault or blaming them for not stopping it. Solamnia was spared much
of the other characters destruction that cross his path, or at least doesn't look to deep into things when they blatantly lie to him. He's avoided the soul-scarring spiritual and mental anguish pretty much every single other person has to deal with, and has managed to purge most followed, but soon Knights of the evil elements from his fanatically-loyal army, while getting them to drop their centuries-long "Magic is Evil" crusade in favor of fighting the true Big Bad. For a series that is all about tragic flaws, Galad seems to make his work.
** Also, there's the Ogier, who'll ''never'' go back on their word, a fact exploited by Faile in ''The Shadow Rising'' in order to [[spoiler:force Perrin to take her with him to the Two Rivers]].
* In "Literature/EffiBriest", after Isntetten discovers that [[spoiler: Effi had an affair 7 years prior]], he decides that he must demand satisfaction and reclaim his honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will destroy his family over an event that he's not even "that" upset about.
* Refreshingly averted in ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' (even though you'd be forgiven for mistaking the trope name [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming for one of its titles]]): most main characters, while definitely
Solamnia were being persons of honor, hold those who enter the LawfulStupid territory due to this murdered by mobs in the very low regard. Especially the title character, who once suffered a command officer that tried to use this trope to cover his incompetence.[[note]]Said commander, later made an admiral, got his comeuppance during Haven's Operation Thunderbolt, albeit at the expense of the fleet he commanded streets. Recruitment plummeted and the world it was assigned to guard.[[/note]]
** Although played completely straight by the PlanetOfHats Montana, filled with rugged individualists who all put honor above reason. In fact,
many remaining Knights simply took off their chief law enforcement officer is open about the fact armor and renounced their vows. The larger problem was that if he felt strongly enough about resisting the annexation of the Talbot cluster, he would resign and fight it openly like his erstwhile friend rather than continue in his job where he is immensely respected.
** Honor herself is generally pretty honourable (appropriately enough!) -- she just makes sure when she gives her word that she either really means to keep it or phrases it so carefully that she technically didn't break it (as in ''Honor Among Enemies'').
** It is played straight a few times where it is outright stated that making a heroic sacrifice
Solamnic Knights were sworn to uphold the Star Kingdom's honor is Code (seen above) and the Measure, a part complicated series of laws that uphold chivalric virtues and knightly behavior. For centuries, most of the Navy's tradition. Or Knights' senior leadership posts were vacant because not enough Knights existed to constitute a quorum to vote in other words, getting your ship destroyed rather than be seen retreating is regarded as stupid but getting your ship destroyed attempting to protect civilians or an allied planet is simply following new leaders and the Measure made no allowances for a giant meteor wiping out a good chunk of their membership. It wasn't until after the War of the Lance that a revised Measure was drafted that was much more flexible with the formalities. But ''during'' the War of the Lance, a large percentage of the Knighthood was slaughtered because they were ordered into a hopeless CurbStompBattle by a half-insane [[GeneralRipper Knight of the Rose]], Derek Crownguard. They could not refuse, because the Measure made Lord Derek the commander by rank and seniority, nor could they remove him from command because the Measure did not anticipate a Knight commander losing his shit in the tradition of Edward Saganami. Michael Oversteegen sums it up:
--->"Well," Oversteegen said with a cold, hungry smile, "defendin' other people's planets against unprovoked attack by murderous scum seems t' have become something
middle of a tradition for my Queen's Navy over war.
* In
the past few decades. Under the circumstances, I'm sure she'll forgive me for followin' that tradition."
* ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' has Liu Bei, who ''nominally'' honors this trope (for political correctness' sake, apparently with Confucianism
''Literature/DreambloodDuology'', Ehiru's main flaw is his by-the-book adherence to Hananja's Law and thus this trope being ''en vogue''). Subverted in that more than once he operates less than nicely, whereas other times Honor Before Reason's the reason that he's the protagonist.
** For example, his
refusal to simply take over Jing province before Cao Cao's arrival, even when Zhuge Liang specifically calls acknowledge the possibility of corruption within the priesthood, making him on it, is because it would be interrupting the "natural" succession susceptible to the eldest son of current governor Liu Biao, and he doesn't want to take any criticism from "the people" for it, even though the dying Liu Biao himself requested that Liu Bei be his inheritor. In an earlier case of this being easily manipulated by those with the late governor Tao Qian of Xu province, the late governor's officers and people begged Liu Bei to accept the succession... and even after Liu Bei gave in, he soon tried to give the office away to ''[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Lu Bu]]''.
** ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 7'' had a variation where Liu Bei similarly refused to usurp his relative and host Liu Zhang of Yi province -- even though controlling Yi province was the key step in his advisor Zhuge Liang's "Tripartite Realm" strategy -- leading to his other advisor Pang Tong, and his generals Huang Zhong and Wei Yan, "mutinying" against Liu Zhang on behalf of Liu Bei and "the people," leaving Liu Bei upset until he saw that "the people" seemed to be perfectly fine with this.
* In Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings - The Two Towers'', Aragorn makes a statement fitting this trope when the Brothers-in-Arms have gone into Fangorn in search of Merry and Pippin.
-->'''Gimli:''' Then what shall we do now? We cannot pursue them through the whole fastness of Fangorn. We have come ill supplied. If we do not find them soon, we shall be of no use to them, except to sit down beside them and show our friendship by starving together.\\
'''Aragorn:''' If that is indeed all we can do, then we must do that. Let us go on.
** In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', the [[IGaveMyWord Oath of Fëanor]] is particularly problematic: the eldest sons of Fëanor feel compelled to fulfill their oath, even though this means doing things which are not only counterproductive but which they know to be utterly wrong.
*** That's pretty much the plot of the Quenta Silmarillion: The hubris, stupidity, and irrational stubbornness of the good guys, especially the elves, does at least as much damage as Morgoth himself.
** Denethor also accuses Faramir of this in ''The Return of the King'', though unfairly. (Denethor feels that the Ring would have been useful to his country in the war, while Faramir believed it was too dangerous to use and therefore did not take the opportunity to get it from Frodo.)
--> "Ever your desire is to appear lordly and generous as a king of old, gracious, gentle. That may well befit one of a high race, if he sits in power and peace. But in desperate hours gentleness may be repaid with death."
** Bilbo in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' refused to kill Gollum out of pity, when it was clearly the sensible thing to do, as did Frodo (and eventually Sam) in the sequel. These actions led to the eventual saving of Middle-Earth, even when they seemed completely illogical at the time.
less scruples about these things.



* The entire novel of ''[[Literature/DonQuixote Don Quixote De La Mancha]]'' is a parody of the ChivalricRomance of Cervantes' time, including their obsession with honor.
** The first example is when Don Quixote [[WeHelpTheHelpless "rescues" Andrés from being flogged by his master]], Juan Haduldo. Don Quixote bullies Juan into promising to let Andres go, and he departs to other adventures, [[GenreSavvy because he has read that when a Knight]] [[IGaveMyWord gives his word, it’s enough.]] [[WrongGenreSavvy Unfortunately, this is the first modern novel]] [[RealityEnsues and Juan flogges Andres even harder.]]
* [[IdiotHero Alice L. Malvin]] of ''Anime/PumpkinScissors'' insists on charging ahead and "destroying evil" no matter what the odds are against them. Even after she [[CharacterDevelopment started using more reason]] after she was kidnapped, [[WideEyedIdealist she stayed true to her ideals]].
* In ''SirAproposOfNothing,'', the titular AntiHero has no use for honor, and often uses other people's honor against them in strange and awesome ways. Well, sometimes. Okay, when he's backed into a corner.
* In Creator/GrahamMcNeill's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' Literature/{{Ultramarines}} novel ''Dead Sky Black Sun'', Uriel and Pasanius pursue their death oath until the bitter end although [[WhatYouAreInTheDark no one would know if they failed]], [[spoiler:and Leonid joins them, although the renegade Marines who join them for a time decide that it wasn't worth it]].
* Another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel example: ''[[Literature/SoulDrinkers Soul Drinker]]''. Sarpedon's refusal to back down and let the Adeptus Mechanicus get away with stealing the Soulspear (which was ''the'' most sacred relic of their Chapter, and they had only just managed to locate it) led directly to their being declared Excommunicate Traitoris and finding themselves chased around the galaxy pursued by both Chaos and the Imperium, perpetually depleted and subject to shoot-on-sight orders.
* In Creator/JamesSwallow's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel ''[[Literature/BloodAngels Deus Encarmine]]'', Stele indulges in FlawExploitation with this; because the Blood Angels believe they owe him, he sets into play a BatmanGambit to win them to Chaos. Unfortunately, he trusts it a little too far. When he hears [[EpicHail a message had been sent]] bearing the id of a dead sergeant, he is flabbergasted: the Blood Angels regard [[DueToTheDead tampering with the equipment of the dead as sacrilegious]]. He does not consider that it is forbidden ''except under the most dire circumstances'' and so does not investigate who could have gotten to the dead man's gear. Indeed, when the responsible Blood Angel confesses, those he confesses to regard it as very serious -- but not so serious that even investigating it should take precedence over the news he had sent.
* In yet another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel, ''[[Literature/SpaceMarineBattles Fall of Damnos]]'', the entire plan to defeat the KeystoneArmy relies on taking down said Keystone, which happens to be Necron Royarch (king). The leader of the defending force, [[GloryHound Cato Sicarius]], decides to duel him and forbids anyone else from helping out, as it would be "improper". Had he let go of his honor this one time, perhaps the title of the novel wouldn't be so spoilerrific...
* In P.C. Hodgell's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath'', the Kencyr peoples display this trait as a whole. Honor overrides reason and common-sense, although the cleverer Kencyr are very good at working out ways to keep within the Law while doing whatever they want.
* In ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', the Arends have this as their [[PlanetOfHats hat]]. Mandorallen takes this to the extreme even for an Arend.
* This is also the hat of the Tsurani from ''Literature/TheRiftwarCycle'', interestingly, both the heroes and villains of the ''Empire Trilogy'', that takes place entirely on the Tsurani homeworld, are people who realise that the Tsurani definition of honor should be put aside in the pursuit of more pragmatic goals. For the bad guys, it's selfish desires, for the good guys it's the good of the Empire in general.
* The Knights of Solamnia in the ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' saga.
** [[CatchPhrase Est sularis oth mithas]].[[note]]"My honor is my life."[[/note]]
** The Knighthood as a whole was doing a-okay right up until [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the Cataclysm]]. In the aftermath, the public began turning against them, saying that the Cataclysm was either their fault or blaming them for not stopping it. Solamnia was spared much of the destruction that followed, but soon Knights of Solamnia were being murdered by mobs in the streets. Recruitment plummeted and many remaining Knights simply took off their armor and renounced their vows. The larger problem was that the Solamnic Knights were sworn to uphold the Code (seen above) and the Measure, a complicated series of laws that uphold chivalric virtues and knightly behavior. For centuries, most of the Knights' senior leadership posts were vacant because not enough Knights existed to constitute a quorum to vote in new leaders and the Measure made no allowances for a giant meteor wiping out a good chunk of their membership. It wasn't until after the War of the Lance that a revised Measure was drafted that was much more flexible with the formalities. But ''during'' the War of the Lance, a large percentage of the Knighthood was slaughtered because they were ordered into a hopeless CurbStompBattle by a half-insane [[GeneralRipper Knight of the Rose]], Derek Crownguard. They could not refuse, because the Measure made Lord Derek the commander by rank and seniority, nor could they remove him from command because the Measure did not anticipate a Knight commander losing his shit in the middle of a war.
* In Creator/GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', Syme is certain he will be crushed by Sunday if he doesn't tell the police -- but he's [[IGaveMyWord promised not to reveal anything he's learned]]. He knows how crazy it is, but does it anyway.
-->''It was his last triumph over these lunatics to go down into their dark room and die for something that they could not even understand.''
* In Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs's ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Gods of Mars]]'', a traitor offers John Carter his freedom in return for certain pledges, and even though he will die, and his friends and allies could really use his help, Carter refuses.
** In ''The Chessmen of Mars'', when a man tries to lay hands on her while she is a prisoner, Tara stabs him, much to the horror of a slave woman.
--->''Lan-O, wide-eyed, looked with horror upon the corpse. "For this we shall both die," she cried.\\
"And who would live a slave in Manator?" asked Tara of Helium.\\
"I am not so brave as thou," said the slave girl, "and life is sweet and there is always hope."\\
"Life is sweet," agreed Tara of Helium, "but honor is sacred. But do not fear. When they come I shall tell them the truth -- that you had no hand in this and no opportunity to prevent it."''
** In ''A Fighting Man of Mars'', Tan Hadron rues this: John Carter refuses to strike first in any war, but his enemies, this time, had a MadScientist invention that caused ships to disintegrate and men to fall to their deaths, horribly; it had a short range, and Heliumite guns could have pounded the enemy ships to pieces before being in danger.
* Doing this is the central theme of de Sade's ''Justine''. It is, however, satire.
* ''The Bronze Horseman'' by Paullina Simons. Alexander and Dimitri plan to desert during the Finnish War by volunteering to search for their commanding officer's missing son. When they really do find him while crossing the lines, Alexander insists they bring him back, earning Alexander the eternal gratitude of their CO, and the hatred of his friend Dimitri.
* This attitude gets [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Bertie Wooster]] into (light comedic) trouble on a regular basis.

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* The entire novel of ''[[Literature/DonQuixote Don Quixote De La Mancha]]'' is a parody of Horton the ChivalricRomance of Cervantes' time, including their obsession with honor.
** The first example is when Don Quixote [[WeHelpTheHelpless "rescues" Andrés
Elephant from being flogged by his master]], Juan Haduldo. Don Quixote bullies Juan into promising to let Andres go, and Creator/DrSeuss is an elephant of unshakable honor; once he departs to other adventures, [[GenreSavvy because he has read that when a Knight]] [[IGaveMyWord gives his word, it’s enough.]] [[WrongGenreSavvy Unfortunately, this is the first modern novel]] [[RealityEnsues and Juan flogges Andres even harder.]]
* [[IdiotHero Alice L. Malvin]] of ''Anime/PumpkinScissors'' insists on charging ahead and "destroying evil" no matter what the odds are against them. Even after she [[CharacterDevelopment started using more reason]] after she was kidnapped, [[WideEyedIdealist she stayed true to her ideals]].
* In ''SirAproposOfNothing,'', the titular AntiHero has no use for honor, and often uses other people's honor against them in strange and awesome ways. Well, sometimes. Okay, when he's backed into a corner.
* In Creator/GrahamMcNeill's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' Literature/{{Ultramarines}} novel ''Dead Sky Black Sun'', Uriel and Pasanius pursue their death oath until the bitter end although [[WhatYouAreInTheDark no one would know if they failed]], [[spoiler:and Leonid joins them, although the renegade Marines who join them for a time decide that it wasn't worth it]].
* Another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel example: ''[[Literature/SoulDrinkers Soul Drinker]]''. Sarpedon's refusal to
''nothing'' will make him go back down and let the Adeptus Mechanicus get away on it regardless of much danger, humiliation or rejection he suffers. Fortunately, his stories always end with stealing the Soulspear (which was ''the'' most sacred relic of their Chapter, and they had only just managed to locate it) led directly to their being declared Excommunicate Traitoris and finding themselves chased around the galaxy pursued by both Chaos and the Imperium, perpetually depleted and subject to shoot-on-sight orders.
* In Creator/JamesSwallow's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel ''[[Literature/BloodAngels Deus Encarmine]]'', Stele indulges in FlawExploitation with this;
him coming out on top because the Blood Angels believe they owe him, he sets into play a BatmanGambit to win them to Chaos. Unfortunately, he trusts it a little too far. When he hears [[EpicHail a message had been sent]] bearing the id of a dead sergeant, he is flabbergasted: the Blood Angels regard [[DueToTheDead tampering with the equipment this sense of the dead as sacrilegious]]. He does not consider honor.
* In ''Literature/EffiBriest'', after Isntetten discovers
that it is forbidden ''except under the most dire circumstances'' and so does not investigate who could have gotten to the dead man's gear. Indeed, when the responsible Blood Angel confesses, those he confesses to regard it as very serious -- but not so serious that even investigating it should take precedence over the news he [[spoiler: Effi had sent.
* In yet another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel, ''[[Literature/SpaceMarineBattles Fall of Damnos]]'', the entire plan to defeat the KeystoneArmy relies on taking down said Keystone, which happens to be Necron Royarch (king). The leader of the defending force, [[GloryHound Cato Sicarius]],
an affair 7 years prior]], he decides to duel him and forbids anyone else from helping out, as it would be "improper". Had he let go of his honor this one time, perhaps the title of the novel wouldn't be so spoilerrific...
* In P.C. Hodgell's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath'', the Kencyr peoples display this trait as a whole. Honor overrides reason and common-sense, although the cleverer Kencyr are very good at working out ways to keep within the Law while doing whatever they want.
* In ''Literature/TheBelgariad'', the Arends have this as their [[PlanetOfHats hat]]. Mandorallen takes this to the extreme even for an Arend.
* This is also the hat of the Tsurani from ''Literature/TheRiftwarCycle'', interestingly, both the heroes and villains of the ''Empire Trilogy'',
that takes place entirely on the Tsurani homeworld, are people who realise that the Tsurani definition of honor should be put aside in the pursuit of more pragmatic goals. For the bad guys, it's selfish desires, for the good guys it's the good of the Empire in general.
* The Knights of Solamnia in the ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' saga.
** [[CatchPhrase Est sularis oth mithas]].[[note]]"My honor is my life."[[/note]]
** The Knighthood as a whole was doing a-okay right up until [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the Cataclysm]]. In the aftermath, the public began turning against them, saying that the Cataclysm was either their fault or blaming them for not stopping it. Solamnia was spared much of the destruction that followed, but soon Knights of Solamnia were being murdered by mobs in the streets. Recruitment plummeted
he must demand satisfaction and many remaining Knights simply took off their armor and renounced their vows. The larger problem was that the Solamnic Knights were sworn to uphold the Code (seen above) and the Measure, a complicated series of laws that uphold chivalric virtues and knightly behavior. For centuries, most of the Knights' senior leadership posts were vacant because not enough Knights existed to constitute a quorum to vote in new leaders and the Measure made no allowances for a giant meteor wiping out a good chunk of their membership. It wasn't until after the War of the Lance that a revised Measure was drafted that was much more flexible with the formalities. But ''during'' the War of the Lance, a large percentage of the Knighthood was slaughtered because they were ordered into a hopeless CurbStompBattle by a half-insane [[GeneralRipper Knight of the Rose]], Derek Crownguard. They could not refuse, because the Measure made Lord Derek the commander by rank and seniority, nor could they remove him from command because the Measure did not anticipate a Knight commander losing reclaim his shit in the middle of a war.
* In Creator/GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', Syme is certain he will be crushed by Sunday if he doesn't tell the police -- but he's [[IGaveMyWord promised not to reveal anything he's learned]]. He knows how crazy it is, but does it anyway.
-->''It was his last triumph over these lunatics to go down into their dark room and die for something that they could not even understand.''
* In Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs's ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Gods of Mars]]'', a traitor offers John Carter his freedom in return for certain pledges, and
honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will die, and destroy his friends and allies could really use his help, Carter refuses.
** In ''The Chessmen of Mars'', when a man tries to lay hands on her while she is a prisoner, Tara stabs him, much to the horror of a slave woman.
--->''Lan-O, wide-eyed, looked with horror upon the corpse. "For this we shall both die," she cried.\\
"And who would live a slave in Manator?" asked Tara of Helium.\\
"I am not so brave as thou," said the slave girl, "and life is sweet and there is always hope."\\
"Life is sweet," agreed Tara of Helium, "but honor is sacred. But do not fear. When they come I shall tell them the truth --
family over an event that you had no hand in this and no opportunity to prevent it."''
** In ''A Fighting Man of Mars'', Tan Hadron rues this: John Carter refuses to strike first in any war, but his enemies, this time, had a MadScientist invention that caused ships to disintegrate and men to fall to their deaths, horribly; it had a short range, and Heliumite guns could have pounded the enemy ships to pieces before being in danger.
* Doing this is the central theme of de Sade's ''Justine''. It is, however, satire.
* ''The Bronze Horseman'' by Paullina Simons. Alexander and Dimitri plan to desert during the Finnish War by volunteering to search for their commanding officer's missing son. When they really do find him while crossing the lines, Alexander insists they bring him back, earning Alexander the eternal gratitude of their CO, and the hatred of his friend Dimitri.
* This attitude gets [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Bertie Wooster]] into (light comedic) trouble on a regular basis.
he's not even "that" upset about.



* Byrhtnoth Byrhthelming, hero of the Anglo-Saxon poem ''Literature/TheBattleOfMaldon'' (fought in 991), has a horrible case of this: the Saxon army is on the mainland, the Viking enemy are on a marshy island with a one-man-wide causeway as the only way off, the Viking leader says that a really honourable opponent would let them cross and fight on open ground... and Byrhtnoth ''agrees''. The Saxons are crushed and he dies.
** YMMV here, as he may have suspected that if he didn't let them fight on open ground, they'd merely sail off and raid the next town over. He had the largest force in the area, and thus the best chance to stop the raiders, making this more of a SenselessSacrifice.
* A similar dilemma to the last John Carter example above led directly to the utter destruction of a galactic civilization in the past of the ''Literature/PerryRhodan'' universe: Segafrendo. Picture a galaxy very much at peace with itself and ably defended against external threats by scarily competent alien mercenaries who everybody knows can nonetheless be trusted utterly because of their adherence to a strict code of honor. A code of honor that, it turns out, prevents them from initiating any hostilities against others on their own no matter how much they might want to. Cue a massive invasion force from another galaxy showing up and clearly moving into the perfect position over multiple worlds for its own crippling first strike, all the while refusing to formally declare its intentions or fire a single shot until ready...
* ''[[Literature/{{Sharpe}} Sharpe's Honour]]'', shockingly enough, features this as a major element. It starts with Sharpe fighting a duel over the honour of a woman he ''knows'' to be a traitor. Half-way through he's offered the chance to escape captivity, foil his nemesis and save the war for Britain, but refuses because doing so would involve breaking his [[IGaveMyWord parole]] (which he has not, at that point, given).
* Franchise/StarWarsLegends:
** In ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'', mercenaries burst in on Luke Skywalker and some Bothan spies. One of the spies is shot but not with an [[InstantDeathBullet Instant Death Blaster Bolt]], and Luke refuses to leave him--and the Bothan dies, and Luke is captured, while those Bothans who just ran get away.
** ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'' has Leia in an Imperial city and lying low, because they know she's there and are hunting her. While in hiding she sees burglars breaking into a house that has a child in it; she knows they probably won't just let the kid be, so she fires her blaster, even knowing that patrollers might hear and investigate. She knows it will get people's attention. That's why she does it, even though she might be discovered because of it.
** The novelization of ''Literature/RevengeOfTheSith'' gives this as the reason why Obi-Wan doesn't MercyKill the dismembered and burning Anakin (along with the fact that he can sense Sidious's approach and my not have time to escape):
--> In the end, there was only one choice. [...] In the end, he was still Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he was still a Jedi, and he would not murder a helpless man.\\
He would leave it to the will of the Force.



* Eremon in Jules Watson's Dalriada Trilogy. He refuses to turn on the Scots tribe he's only recently met in order to join the Romans, even though it would be in his best interest to do so. Since there's no apparent reason why he'd be so loyal to the rather ungrateful tribe, this comes across more as a plot device than anything else.
* Colonel Nicholson in ''Literature/TheBridgeOverTheRiverKwai'' orders his men not to attempt an escape from the prison camp, because the circumstances under which they were captured mean that it would technically be against the rules for them to escape. He also helps his captors build a better bridge because they ordered him to.
* In ''[[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians The Sea of Monsters]]'' when Percy doesn't kill Polyphemus. Also a case of GenreBlindness.
** It should be noted that Percy's fatal flaw is personal loyalty, which is basically an extreme version of NoOneGetsLeftBehind - ie. he'd prefer the safety of his friends and family over the safety of the world.
* While ''Literature/TheZombieSurvivalGuide'' advises you to travel through urban areas as quickly as possible and not stop except under dire circumstances, an exception can be made if you want to assist other survivors. [[LampshadeHanging "Sometimes, logic must give way to humanity."]] (The rest of the book averts this pretty hard, though, and encourages the reader to be as pragmatic as possible for the sake of their own survival.)
* In [[Literature/TheMonkeyWrenchGang The Monkey Wrench Gang]], the titular band of [[WesternTerrorists ecoterrorists]] wage a war against development not because they think they'll win, but because "someone's got to do it".
* In Brandon Sanderson's ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', all of the Knights Radiant are supposed to be this way. While still dangerous, the "before reason" part is somewhat avoided by the fact that, on a world created by the Shard ''Honor'', acting like this gives you superpowers (specifically it attracts a spren, a sort of abstract ElementalEmbodiment of whatever particular principle you're holding to, who bonds with you and grants you power so long as you don't betray that principle), meaning it stands a decent chance of getting you out of the trouble it got you into.

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* Eremon in Jules Watson's Dalriada Trilogy. Ashinji of ''Literature/GriffinsDaughter''. He refuses to turn on the Scots tribe he's only recently met in order to join the Romans, even though it would be in his best interest to do so. Since there's no apparent reason why he'd be so loyal to the rather ungrateful tribe, this comes across more as a plot device than anything else.
* Colonel Nicholson in ''Literature/TheBridgeOverTheRiverKwai'' orders his men not to attempt an escape from the prison camp, because the circumstances under which they were captured mean that it would technically be against the rules for them to escape. He also helps his captors build a better bridge because they ordered him to.
* In ''[[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians The Sea of Monsters]]'' when Percy doesn't kill Polyphemus. Also a case of GenreBlindness.
** It should be noted that Percy's fatal flaw is personal loyalty, which is
basically an extreme version of NoOneGetsLeftBehind - ie. he'd prefer swallows the safety heaps of abuse and petty slights his friends and family over the safety of the world.
* While ''Literature/TheZombieSurvivalGuide'' advises you to travel through urban areas as quickly as possible and not stop except under dire circumstances, an exception can be made if you want to assist other survivors. [[LampshadeHanging "Sometimes, logic must give way to humanity."]] (The rest of the book averts this pretty hard, though, and encourages the reader to be as pragmatic as possible for the sake of their own survival.)
* In [[Literature/TheMonkeyWrenchGang The Monkey Wrench Gang]], the titular band of [[WesternTerrorists ecoterrorists]] wage a war against development not
JerkAss older brother drops on him solely because they think they'll win, but because "someone's got to do it".
* In Brandon Sanderson's ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', all of
Sadaiyo is the Knights Radiant heir to the throne and Ashinji "owes" him fealty. Even his parents (who are supposed to be this way. While still dangerous, the "before reason" part is somewhat avoided by the fact that, on a world created by the Shard ''Honor'', acting like this gives you superpowers (specifically it attracts a spren, a sort aware of abstract ElementalEmbodiment of whatever particular principle you're holding to, who bonds with you and grants you power so long as you don't betray Sadaiyo's... predilections) marvel that principle), meaning it stands a decent chance of getting you he hasn't at least beaten the crap out of the trouble it got you into.him once.



* In one of Creator/MercedesLackey's [[Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar Tarma and Kethry]] stories in ''Oathblood'', Tarma and Kethry (and their Kyree Warrl) get a [[ClingyMacGuffin bad-luck cursed coin]]. Kethry refuses to do anything to pass it off onto another innocent party. Warrl comments, "Admirable. Stupid but admirable." [[spoiler:They eventually get rid of it by arranging to be targeted by bandits. Kethry only refused to pass it to an ''innocent'' party.]]
* The Arkenites in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse take their debts very seriously. In the StarTrekVanguard series, Klingons save an Arkenite outpost from a disaster in exchange for the outpost swearing allegiance to the Klingon Empire; the residents then refuse to back out. Even though they don't want to leave the Federation or help the Klingons, they all willingly keep to the promise even when Starfleet shows up trying to "liberate" them. To choose gratification over duty and refuse to repay their debt would, their leader explains, be unthinkable.
* Rudolph Rassendyll of ''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda'' loves Princess Flavia and is loved by her, and she is arranged to be married to her boorish cousin and TheWrongfulHeirToTheThrone. Rassendyll admits to himself that the best possible outcome would be allowing the villains to dispose of his look-alike relative before stopping them, allowing him to be a good ruler and be with the woman he loves. However, because of his honor, he helps restore the king to the throne and [[DidNotGetTheGirl does not get the girl]]. For her part, because of her own honor, Flavia accepts being married to a man she despises rather than one she loves.
* Michael from the ''Literature/KnightAndRogueSeries''. He will only lie if absolutely necessary, and lets a murder suspect run free even though doing so will give him one of the most severe punishments the law can deal because he's found evidence she's innocent. In fact, she flat out tells him she can prove her innocence in court, but he's worried because the court he wants to take her to is stacked against her and there's a chance she could be found guilty anyway. Just for added affect, this not actually guilty murderer who choses not to capture despite the penalty had been torturing/experimenting on him several hours before he made this decision.
* In Creator/MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', the two owners of the only ammunition factory burn it down to keep the civil war a fight with blades. Then they shake hands and depart for opposite sides of the war. The one who joins the coup is regarded as odd by his own side, who do not understand his principles.
* In Creator/WenSpencer's ''Literature/{{Tinker}}'', Windwolf threatens to castrate the man who offered Tinker a ScarpiaUltimatum to treat Windwolf. It would have stained his honor, even though it might cost him his life.
* ''Literature/TrappedOnDraconica'':
** Daniar takes her ThouShallNotKill thing very seriously. Enemy soldiers were overrunning her kingdom's capital but she refused to do more than disarm them because they were conscripts. [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs This doesn't work well for her.]]
** Kazem too. Lots of 'die on your feet then live on your knees' sort of lines from him. Whether he believes this himself or is just using it as propaganda is up for debate.
* King Joyse in Stephen Donaldson's ''[[Literature/TheMirrorOfHerDreams Mordants Need]]'' novels. He refuses to take action while his enemies plot against him for fear that the cost of victory will be too high, using a problem from a draughts game that can't be won without sacrificing pieces as a metaphor for his dilemma. He also refuses to prevent his subjects from taking actions that have tragic results because they're motivated by love of the kingdom and have earned the right to do as they see fit. Subverted in the end though, since his inaction and feigned indecision were all part of a XanatosGambit he was playing against the whole world.
* Ashinji of ''Literature/GriffinsDaughter''. He basically swallows the heaps of abuse and petty slights his JerkAss older brother drops on him solely because Sadaiyo is the heir to the throne and Ashinji "owes" him fealty. Even his parents (who are aware of Sadaiyo's... predilections) marvel that he hasn't at least beaten the crap out of him once.
* Though usually a very pragmatic series, ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' pulls this one out of left field during the David Trilogy. The titular character is a SixthRanger the Animorphs have narrowly saved from capture, who in the process has been completely cut off from his family, his home, and everything he's ever known. Normally a pragmatic bunch, the Animorphs suddenly become unyielding sentinels of morality in dealing with him, forcing him to sleep in a cold barn rather than letting him sleep in a hotel room (which he admittedly broke into). Jake even goes so far as to ''threaten David's life'', which is especially jarring when one considers how often the other members of the team have used their powers for selfish ends. With all this dumped on him, it's really no surprise when David [[SanitySlippage snaps]] and goes SixthRangerTraitor on them.
** In ''The Decision'', all the Andalites on a ship decide to collectively commit suicide rather than running away when it becomes clear that they can't defeat the Yeerks the way they'd hoped. This was [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in Blog/CinnamonBunzuh:
-->Ifi: You can morph too, dude
-->Ifi: Did you forget that you can morph?
-->Ifi: You can all morph.
-->Ifi: You can ALL morph.
-->Adam: Isn't escaping the honorable thing to do?
-->Ifi: Not as honorable as MASS RITUAL SUICIDE

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* ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'': In one of Creator/MercedesLackey's [[Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar the Tarma and Kethry]] Kethry stories in ''Oathblood'', Tarma and Kethry (and their Kyree Warrl) get a [[ClingyMacGuffin bad-luck cursed coin]]. Kethry refuses to do anything to pass it off onto another innocent party. Warrl comments, "Admirable. Stupid but admirable." [[spoiler:They eventually get rid of it by arranging to be targeted by bandits. Kethry only refused to pass it to an ''innocent'' party.]]
* The Arkenites in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse take their debts very seriously. In the StarTrekVanguard series, Klingons save an Arkenite outpost from a disaster in exchange for the outpost swearing allegiance to the Klingon Empire; the residents then refuse to back out. Even though they don't want to leave the Federation or help the Klingons, they all willingly keep to the promise even when Starfleet shows up trying to "liberate" them. To choose gratification over duty and refuse to repay their debt would, their leader explains, be unthinkable.
* Rudolph Rassendyll of ''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda'' loves Princess Flavia and is loved by her, and she is arranged to be married to her boorish cousin and TheWrongfulHeirToTheThrone. Rassendyll admits to himself that the best possible outcome would be allowing the villains to dispose of his look-alike relative before stopping them, allowing him to be a good ruler and be with the woman he loves. However, because of his honor, he helps restore the king to the throne and [[DidNotGetTheGirl does not get the girl]]. For her part, because of her own honor, Flavia accepts being married to a man she despises rather than one she loves.
* Michael from the ''Literature/KnightAndRogueSeries''. He will only lie if absolutely necessary, and lets a murder suspect run free even though doing so will give him one of the most severe punishments the law can deal because he's found evidence she's innocent. In fact, she flat out tells him she can prove her innocence in court, but he's worried because the court he wants to take her to is stacked against her and there's a chance she could be found guilty anyway. Just for added affect, this not actually guilty murderer who choses not to capture despite the penalty had been torturing/experimenting on him several hours before he made this decision.
* In Creator/MichaelFlynn's ''[[Literature/SpiralArm The January Dancer]]'', the two owners of the only ammunition factory burn it down to keep the civil war a fight with blades. Then they shake hands and depart for opposite sides of the war. The one who joins the coup is regarded as odd by his own side, who do not understand his principles.
* In Creator/WenSpencer's ''Literature/{{Tinker}}'', Windwolf threatens to castrate the man who offered Tinker a ScarpiaUltimatum to treat Windwolf. It would have stained his honor, even though it might cost him his life.
* ''Literature/TrappedOnDraconica'':
** Daniar takes her ThouShallNotKill thing very seriously. Enemy soldiers were overrunning her kingdom's capital but she refused to do more than disarm them because they were conscripts. [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs This doesn't work well for her.]]
** Kazem too. Lots of 'die on your feet then live on your knees' sort of lines from him. Whether he believes this himself or is just using it as propaganda is up for debate.
* King Joyse in Stephen Donaldson's ''[[Literature/TheMirrorOfHerDreams Mordants Need]]'' novels. He refuses to take action while his enemies plot against him for fear that the cost of victory will be too high, using a problem from a draughts game that can't be won without sacrificing pieces as a metaphor for his dilemma. He also refuses to prevent his subjects from taking actions that have tragic results because they're motivated by love of the kingdom and have earned the right to do as they see fit. Subverted in the end though, since his inaction and feigned indecision were all part of a XanatosGambit he was playing against the whole world.
* Ashinji of ''Literature/GriffinsDaughter''. He basically swallows the heaps of abuse and petty slights his JerkAss older brother drops on him solely because Sadaiyo is the heir to the throne and Ashinji "owes" him fealty. Even his parents (who are aware of Sadaiyo's... predilections) marvel that he hasn't at least beaten the crap out of him once.
* Though usually a very pragmatic series, ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' pulls this one out of left field during the David Trilogy. The titular character is a SixthRanger the Animorphs have narrowly saved from capture, who in the process has been completely cut off from his family, his home, and everything he's ever known. Normally a pragmatic bunch, the Animorphs suddenly become unyielding sentinels of morality in dealing with him, forcing him to sleep in a cold barn rather than letting him sleep in a hotel room (which he admittedly broke into). Jake even goes so far as to ''threaten David's life'', which is especially jarring when one considers how often the other members of the team have used their powers for selfish ends. With all this dumped on him, it's really no surprise when David [[SanitySlippage snaps]] and goes SixthRangerTraitor on them.
** In ''The Decision'', all the Andalites on a ship decide to collectively commit suicide rather than running away when it becomes clear that they can't defeat the Yeerks the way they'd hoped. This was [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in Blog/CinnamonBunzuh:
-->Ifi: You can morph too, dude
-->Ifi: Did you forget that you can morph?
-->Ifi: You can all morph.
-->Ifi: You can ALL morph.
-->Adam: Isn't escaping the honorable thing to do?
-->Ifi: Not as honorable as MASS RITUAL SUICIDE
]]



* In ''The Trumpeter of Krackow'', a legend is told of a trumpeter who is sworn to blow a trumpet from a church tower every hour, doing so even while the Mongols are ravaging his city, thus revealing his presence. As might be expected, he ends up shot with an arrow for it.
* In ''Literature/RedeemingLove'', LoveMartyr Michael Hosea’s attempts to [[LoveRedeems cure]] bitter, cynical, and manipulative BrokenBird Angel, who is a prostitute—by marrying her and treating her as he would a pure, devoted, and faithful wife—often cross over into this territory, especially in the view of the other characters, who urge him to forget she ever existed.

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* In ''The Trumpeter of Krackow'', a legend Averted in ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'': It is told of a trumpeter who is sworn to blow a trumpet from a church tower every hour, doing so even while the Mongols are ravaging his city, thus revealing his presence. As Will's opinion that honor might be expected, he ends up shot with an arrow for it.
* In ''Literature/RedeemingLove'', LoveMartyr Michael Hosea’s attempts to [[LoveRedeems cure]] bitter, cynical, and manipulative BrokenBird Angel, who
make you feel important, but when fighting is a prostitute—by marrying her matter of life or death, you have to fight dirty.
** Especially when you're twelve,
and treating her as he would a pure, devoted, and faithful wife—often cross over into this territory, especially going against grown-ups.
* Refreshingly averted
in ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' (even though you'd be forgiven for mistaking the view trope name [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming for one of the other its titles]]): most main characters, while definitely being persons of honor, hold those who urge him enter LawfulStupid territory due to forget this in the very low regard. Especially the title character, who once suffered a command officer that tried to use this trope to cover his incompetence.[[note]]Said commander, later made an admiral, got his comeuppance during Haven's Operation Thunderbolt, albeit at the expense of the fleet he commanded and the world it was assigned to guard.[[/note]]
** Although played completely straight by the PlanetOfHats Montana, filled with rugged individualists who all put honor above reason. In fact, their chief law enforcement officer is open about the fact that if he felt strongly enough about resisting the annexation of the Talbot cluster, he would resign and fight it openly like his erstwhile friend rather than continue in his job where he is immensely respected.
** Honor herself is generally pretty honourable (appropriately enough!) --
she ever existed.just makes sure when she gives her word that she either really means to keep it or phrases it so carefully that she technically didn't break it (as in ''Honor Among Enemies'').
** It is played straight a few times where it is outright stated that making a heroic sacrifice to uphold the Star Kingdom's honor is a part of the Navy's tradition. Or in other words, getting your ship destroyed rather than be seen retreating is regarded as stupid but getting your ship destroyed attempting to protect civilians or an allied planet is simply following in the tradition of Edward Saganami. Michael Oversteegen sums it up:
--->"Well," Oversteegen said with a cold, hungry smile, "defendin' other people's planets against unprovoked attack by murderous scum seems t' have become something of a tradition for my Queen's Navy over the past few decades. Under the circumstances, I'm sure she'll forgive me for followin' that tradition."



* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]
* Ward of ''Literature/{{Hurog}}'': When two men come to his estate, explaining that they're after a slave who went to Hurog because he heard a story about there being no slavery in Hurog (a long-forgotten law that hasn't been enforced for a long time), and they now expect Ward's help in getting that slave recaptured, Ward calmly states that "[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome There are no slaves in Hurog]]". His uncle then explains that the ancient law of the land is that a slave, once in Hurog, is not a slave any longer. The men are not pleased, and they work for the king. No one wonders, as Ward has been ObfuscatingStupidity for some time, and no one expects him to make ''intelligent'' decisions, and he is known for his love of ancient ballads. The decision turns out to work in Ward's favor, as he has to flee the castle anyway (the men have also come to take him to an asylum because he's seemingly insane), and his own, magically bound slave Oreg (whom he cannot free) is ''very'' favorably impressed by the decision. Ward does not adhere to a concept of honor where you don't run away -- he happily does so, in order to protect the people on his land, who would die if forced to fight the king's army.
* ''Literature/JeevesAndWooster'': This attitude gets Bertie Wooster into (light comedic) trouble on a regular basis.
* ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars'': In ''The Gods of Mars'', a traitor offers John Carter his freedom in return for certain pledges, and even though he will die, and his friends and allies could really use his help, Carter refuses.
** In ''The Chessmen of Mars'', when a man tries to lay hands on her while she is a prisoner, Tara stabs him, much to the horror of a slave woman.
--->''Lan-O, wide-eyed, looked with horror upon the corpse. "For this we shall both die," she cried.\\
"And who would live a slave in Manator?" asked Tara of Helium.\\
"I am not so brave as thou," said the slave girl, "and life is sweet and there is always hope."\\
"Life is sweet," agreed Tara of Helium, "but honor is sacred. But do not fear. When they come I shall tell them the truth -- that you had no hand in this and no opportunity to prevent it."''
** In ''A Fighting Man of Mars'', Tan Hadron rues this: John Carter refuses to strike first in any war, but his enemies, this time, had a MadScientist invention that caused ships to disintegrate and men to fall to their deaths, horribly; it had a short range, and Heliumite guns could have pounded the enemy ships to pieces before being in danger.
* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': In ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'', Siron himself points out that the only thing he has to gain from [[spoiler: exposing his father's plan is staining his family's reputation and exposing himself to charges of treason. He explains that he couldn't live with himself otherwise. By the time of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'', he's become Kasile's servant as atonement for his role in the plan. This means he gets to hang out with his love interest all day]] so it turns out to be pretty reasonable too.
* Doing this is the central theme of de Sade's ''Justine''. It is, however, satire.
* Michael from the ''Literature/KnightAndRogueSeries''. He will only lie if absolutely necessary, and lets a murder suspect run free even though doing so will give him one of the most severe punishments the law can deal because he's found evidence she's innocent. In fact, she flat out tells him she can prove her innocence in court, but he's worried because the court he wants to take her to is stacked against her and there's a chance she could be found guilty anyway. Just for added affect, this not actually guilty murderer who choses not to capture despite the penalty had been torturing/experimenting on him several hours before he made this decision.
* ''Literature/KnowledgeOfAngels'': Palinor refuses to pretend he's repented his atheism even when the cost would be death, saying he would lose his integrity.
%%* Lucy Pennykettle from [[Literature/{{Dragons}} The Last Dragon Chronicles]].
* In Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings - The Two Towers'', Aragorn makes a statement fitting this trope when the Brothers-in-Arms have gone into Fangorn in search of Merry and Pippin.
-->'''Gimli:''' Then what shall we do now? We cannot pursue them through the whole fastness of Fangorn. We have come ill supplied. If we do not find them soon, we shall be of no use to them, except to sit down beside them and show our friendship by starving together.\\
'''Aragorn:''' If that is indeed all we can do, then we must do that. Let us go on.
** In ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', the [[IGaveMyWord Oath of Fëanor]] is particularly problematic: the eldest sons of Fëanor feel compelled to fulfill their oath, even though this means doing things which are not only counterproductive but which they know to be utterly wrong.
*** That's pretty much the plot of the Quenta Silmarillion: The hubris, stupidity, and irrational stubbornness of the good guys, especially the elves, does at least as much damage as Morgoth himself.
** Denethor also accuses Faramir of this in ''The Return of the King'', though unfairly. (Denethor feels that the Ring would have been useful to his country in the war, while Faramir believed it was too dangerous to use and therefore did not take the opportunity to get it from Frodo.)
--> "Ever your desire is to appear lordly and generous as a king of old, gracious, gentle. That may well befit one of a high race, if he sits in power and peace. But in desperate hours gentleness may be repaid with death."
** Bilbo in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' refused to kill Gollum out of pity, when it was clearly the sensible thing to do, as did Frodo (and eventually Sam) in the sequel. These actions led to the eventual saving of Middle-Earth, even when they seemed completely illogical at the time.



* Lucy Pennykettle from [[Literature/{{Dragons}} The Last Dragon Chronicles]].
* In ''Literature/RachelGriffin'', when the heroes find that someone in their circle is betraying them, Nastasia struggles with the idea of [[FeedTheMole feeding out false information]] to discover the mole--because it would involve lying.
* In Literature/DangerousSpirits, Konstantine falls just short of considering any criticism against the Tsar to be nothing less than outright treason, and breaks several friendships by reporting them to his superiors when his compatriots comment that the Tsar, while a great man, does not have a God-given right to rule.
* Played straight for cynicism in ''Literature/ThePrinceOfThorns'': Jorg is an almost-heartless monster who kills and tortures without hesitation or moral qualms. In the sequel The King of Thorns, his foil the Prince of Arrow is an honorable man, who even gives Jorg the chance to surrender and refuses to kill him because he's still a boy. As repayment, Jorg [[spoiler: starts multiple avalanches on his army, his newlywed wife blows up the invaders who've gotten through the gate as well as their own defenders, he allies with trolls, and finally Jorg attacks the army with all of his necromantic and fire magics until both are burned out of him and the army is routed. But none of this really matters, because the honorable Prince of Arrow has already been killed by his own less-honorable brother.]]
* During ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' Jerin gives his word of honor that he will be a placid, willing captive if his captors will spare Cira. He promptly turns on them, explaining to Cira that this is dealing with these people on their level - they're already shown themselves to not be trustworthy in the least.
* In the first pages of ''Literature/TyrannnosaurCanyon'' Tom Broadbent promises a dying man that he will convey a notebook and message to the dead man's daughter. He takes this promise personally, not allowing the police to get involved when they might have been able to help and directly imperiling his friends and family.

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* Lucy Pennykettle Rest from [[Literature/{{Dragons}} The Last Dragon Chronicles]].
* In ''Literature/RachelGriffin'', when the heroes find
''Literature/LoyalEnemies'' tries hard to act like this, although this is rather played for laughs. For some reason, he keeps on insisting that someone in their circle Shelena (badass werewolf ActionGirl) is betraying them, Nastasia struggles with the idea of [[FeedTheMole feeding out false information]] to discover the mole--because it would involve lying.
* In Literature/DangerousSpirits, Konstantine falls just short of considering any criticism against the Tsar to be nothing less than outright treason, and breaks several friendships by reporting them to his superiors when his compatriots comment that the Tsar, while
a great man, does not have a God-given right to rule.
* Played straight for cynicism in ''Literature/ThePrinceOfThorns'': Jorg is an almost-heartless monster who kills and tortures without hesitation or moral qualms. In the sequel The King of Thorns, his foil the Prince of Arrow is an honorable man, who even gives Jorg the chance to surrender and
DamselInDistress, refuses to kill abandon his master to a "wild beast" (aforementioned Shelena) even when Veres explicitly tells him because to, and won't leave Shelena even if it would make her job easier. And it's not like he's still a boy. As repayment, Jorg [[spoiler: starts multiple avalanches on his army, his newlywed wife blows up the invaders who've gotten through the gate as well as their own defenders, he allies with trolls, any good at fighting.
** Shelena may mock him for it, but one can also question her decision to take Veres home
and finally Jorg attacks the army with all of his necromantic kill him when he tried to kill her at least once before and fire magics until both are burned out of him and the army is routed. But none of this really matters, will surely try it again. She states that it's because she wants to finish their matters honorably (which is odd, as she's usually a CombatPragmatist).
* If
the honorable Prince Seguleh from ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' think you might be tough, they will challenge you, no matter where or when. And they'll make it a fair fight, too. All three warriors of Arrow has already been killed by his own less-honorable brother.]]
* During ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' Jerin gives his word
the Punitive Army challenge Tool over the course of honor that ''Literature/MemoriesOfIce'', which forces Lady Envy to magically knock out Mok, because they just ''would not stop fighting'' even while facing an enemy army.
* In Creator/GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', Syme is certain
he will be a placid, willing captive crushed by Sunday if he doesn't tell the police -- but he's [[IGaveMyWord promised not to reveal anything he's learned]]. He knows how crazy it is, but does it anyway.
-->''It was
his captors will spare Cira. He promptly turns on them, explaining to Cira that this is dealing with last triumph over these people on lunatics to go down into their level - dark room and die for something that they could not even understand.''
* In ''Literature/TheMonkeyWrenchGang'', the titular band of [[WesternTerrorists ecoterrorists]] wage a war against development not because they think they'll win, but because "someone's got to do it".
* King Joyse in Stephen Donaldson's ''[[Literature/TheMirrorOfHerDreams Mordants Need]]'' novels. He refuses to take action while his enemies plot against him for fear that the cost of victory will be too high, using a problem from a draughts game that can't be won without sacrificing pieces as a metaphor for his dilemma. He also refuses to prevent his subjects from taking actions that have tragic results because
they're already shown themselves motivated by love of the kingdom and have earned the right to not be trustworthy do as they see fit. Subverted in the least.
* In
end though, since his inaction and feigned indecision were all part of a XanatosGambit he was playing against the first pages of ''Literature/TyrannnosaurCanyon'' Tom Broadbent promises a dying man that he will convey a notebook and message to the dead man's daughter. He takes this promise personally, not allowing the police to get involved when they might have been able to help and directly imperiling his friends and family.whole world.



* The Calvarians from ''Literature/TheReynardCycle'' are extremely prone to this. One of their most common sayings is, "Death before dishonor."

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* The Calvarians from ''Literature/TheReynardCycle'' are extremely prone ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'': In ''The Sea of Monsters'', when Percy doesn't kill Polyphemus. Also a case of GenreBlindness.
** It should be noted that Percy's fatal flaw is personal loyalty, which is basically an extreme version of NoOneGetsLeftBehind -- i.e., he'd put the safety of his friends and family over the safety of the world.
* A similar dilemma
to this. One the last John Carter example above led directly to the utter destruction of a galactic civilization in the past of the ''Literature/PerryRhodan'' universe: Segafrendo. Picture a galaxy very much at peace with itself and ably defended against external threats by scarily competent alien mercenaries who everybody knows can nonetheless be trusted utterly because of their most common sayings is, "Death before dishonor."adherence to a strict code of honor. A code of honor that, it turns out, prevents them from initiating any hostilities against others on their own no matter how much they might want to. Cue a massive invasion force from another galaxy showing up and clearly moving into the perfect position over multiple worlds for its own crippling first strike, all the while refusing to formally declare its intentions or fire a single shot until ready...
* In the writings of Creator/{{Plato}}, this is a central aspect of Socrates' philosophy: since the soul is more important than the body, nothing can ever justify acting dishonorably, even to save one's own life. Therefore he didn't escape from prison like his friends planned, but obeyed the law, drinking hemlock as the means to carry out his death sentence.



* ''JourneyToChaos'': In ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'', Siron himself points out that the only thing he has to gain from [[spoiler: exposing his father's plan is staining his family's reputation and exposing himself to charges of treason. He explains that he couldn't live with himself otherwise. By the time of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'', he's become Kasile's servant as atonement for his role in the plan. This means he gets to hang out with his love interest all day]] so it turns out to be pretty reasonable too.
* In ''Literature/SenseAndSensibility'', Edward Ferrars refuses to break his engagement to [[BitchInSheepsClothing Lucy Steele]], even though he no longer loves her and in fact loves Elinor instead. For a woman to have an engagement broken on her ''was'' SeriousBusiness in Georgian times, however, the engagement had been a carefully-kept secret so there wouldn't be any public backlash. Nevertheless, he gave his word.
* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karyl's plan to defend them is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling this cowardly and trying to force him to take the honorable route of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting that the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to one, Karyl lambasts the Gardeners for the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.
* ''Literature/TheWhiteCompany'': Sir Nigel has tendencies in this direction, to the exasperation of the people around him in general and his wife in particular. His wife, squire and second-in-command can usually keep him from getting into too much trouble, but sometime have to go behind his back to do so.
* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken proponent of {{Romanticism}}, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)

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* ''JourneyToChaos'': Played straight for cynicism in ''Literature/ThePrinceOfThorns'': Jorg is an almost-heartless monster who kills and tortures without hesitation or moral qualms. In ''[[Literature/AMagesPower A Mage's Power]]'', Siron himself points out that the only thing he has sequel ''The King of Thorns'', his foil the Prince of Arrow is an honorable man, who even gives Jorg the chance to gain from surrender and refuses to kill him because he's still a boy. As repayment, Jorg [[spoiler: exposing starts multiple avalanches on his father's plan is staining army, his family's reputation and exposing himself to charges of treason. He explains that newlywed wife blows up the invaders who've gotten through the gate as well as their own defenders, he couldn't live allies with himself otherwise. By trolls, and finally Jorg attacks the time of ''Literature/LoomingShadow'', he's become Kasile's servant as atonement for his role in the plan. This means he gets to hang out army with all of his love interest all day]] so it turns necromantic and fire magics until both are burned out to be pretty reasonable too.
* In ''Literature/SenseAndSensibility'', Edward Ferrars refuses to break his engagement to [[BitchInSheepsClothing Lucy Steele]], even though he no longer loves her
of him and in fact loves Elinor instead. For a woman to have an engagement broken on her ''was'' SeriousBusiness in Georgian times, however, the engagement had been a carefully-kept secret so there wouldn't be any public backlash. Nevertheless, he gave his word.
* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karyl's plan to defend them
army is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling routed. But none of this cowardly and trying to force him to take really matters, because the honorable route Prince of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting Arrow has already been killed by his own less-honorable brother.]]
* Rudolph Rassendyll of ''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda'' loves Princess Flavia and is loved by her, and she is arranged to be married to her boorish cousin and TheWrongfulHeirToTheThrone. Rassendyll admits to himself
that the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to one, Karyl lambasts best possible outcome would be allowing the Gardeners for villains to dispose of his look-alike relative before stopping them, allowing him to be a good ruler and be with the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.
* ''Literature/TheWhiteCompany'': Sir Nigel has tendencies in this direction,
woman he loves. However, because of his honor, he helps restore the king to the exasperation of throne and [[DidNotGetTheGirl does not get the people around him in general and his wife in particular. His wife, squire and second-in-command can usually keep him from getting into too much trouble, but sometime have to go behind his back to do so.
* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one
girl]]. For her part, because of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our her own honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight Flavia accepts being married to the death against impossible odds a man she despises rather than betray one she loves.
* Kel from Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall''. In particular, she goes [[spoiler: into enemy territory with the intent of rescuing 500 refugees]]. By herself. This is so likely to end with her death that she herself acknowledges it. Admittedly, if she ''hadn't,'' then [[spoiler:the refugee children, two hundred of them, would have been [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made into nigh-unstoppable killing devices]]]], but that doesn't really enter into her reasons for why she does it. Fortunately, her TrueCompanions anticipated this and go to fight with her. They are a more understandable version of the trope; they still face exile/execution for betraying orders when they return to Tortall, but at least it won't be for nothing: they have a decent chance of defeating the BigBad, and evening out the war.
* In ''Literature/RachelGriffin'', when the heroes find that someone in
their contract, dying to circle is betraying them, Nastasia struggles with the last idea of [[FeedTheMole feeding out false information]] to discover the mole -- because it would involve lying.
* In ''Literature/RedeemingLove'', LoveMartyr Michael Hosea’s attempts to [[LoveRedeems cure]] bitter, cynical,
and extracting manipulative BrokenBird Angel, who is a heavy price prostitute -— by marrying her and treating her as he would a pure, devoted, and faithful wife -— often cross over into this territory, especially in the view of the other characters, who urge him to forget she ever existed.
* The Calvarians
from ''Literature/TheReynardCycle'' are extremely prone to this. One of their most common sayings is, "Death before dishonor."
* This is also
the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken proponent hat of {{Romanticism}}, and the characters in his books - minor and major, Tsurani from ''Literature/TheRiftwarCycle'', interestingly, both the heroes and villains alike - often tend of the ''Empire Trilogy'', that takes place entirely on the Tsurani homeworld, are people who realise that the Tsurani definition of honor should be put aside in the pursuit of more pragmatic goals. For the bad guys, it's selfish desires, for the good guys it's the good of the Empire in general.
* ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' has Liu Bei, who ''nominally'' honors this trope (for political correctness' sake, apparently with Confucianism and thus this trope being ''en vogue''). Subverted in that more than once he operates less than nicely, whereas other times Honor Before Reason's the reason that he's the protagonist.
** For example, his refusal
to act simply take over Jing province before Cao Cao's arrival, even when Zhuge Liang specifically calls him on it, is because it would be interrupting the "natural" succession to the eldest son of current governor Liu Biao, and he doesn't want to take any criticism from "the people" for it, even though the dying Liu Biao himself requested that Liu Bei be his inheritor. In an earlier case of this with the late governor Tao Qian of Xu province, the late governor's officers and people begged Liu Bei to accept the succession... and even after Liu Bei gave in, he soon tried to give the office away to ''[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Lu Bu]]''.
** ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 7'' had a variation where Liu Bei similarly refused to usurp his relative and host Liu Zhang of Yi province -- even though controlling Yi province was the key step
in high-minded chivalrous manner.) his advisor Zhuge Liang's "Tripartite Realm" strategy -- leading to his other advisor Pang Tong, and his generals Huang Zhong and Wei Yan, "mutinying" against Liu Zhang on behalf of Liu Bei and "the people", leaving Liu Bei upset until he saw that "the people" seemed to be perfectly fine with this.



* [[Literature/AmericanGirls Felicity Merriman]]'s parents exercise this when they learn Felicity has tamed Jiggy Nye's abused horse and intends to rescue her. Despite knowing Nye is a hateful abuser, they tell her that the horse belongs to him and that the right thing to do is give her back. [[spoiler: Subverted when Ben stands up for Felicity and Mr. Merriman offers to ''buy'' the horse, but it does little good when Felicity is forced to give the animal back and runs away in tears.]]
* In the writings of Creator/{{Plato}}, this is a central aspect of Socrates' philosophy: since the soul is more important than the body, nothing can ever justify acting dishonorably, even to save one's own life. Therefore he didn't escape from prison like his friends planned, but obeyed the law, drinking hemlock as the means to carry out his death sentence.
* ''Literature/KnowledgeOfAngels'': Palinor refuses to pretend he's repented his atheism even when the cost would be death, saying he would lose his integrity.
* If the Seguleh from ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' think you might be tough, they will challenge you, no matter where or when. And they'll make it a fair fight, too. All three warriors of the Punitive Army challenge Tool over the course of ''Literature/MemoriesOfIce'', which forces Lady Envy to magically knock out Mok, because they just ''would not stop fighting'' even while facing an enemy army.
* In the ''Literature/DreambloodDuology'', Ehiru's main flaw is his by-the-book adherence to Hananja's Law and refusal to acknowledge the possibility of corruption within the priesthood, making him susceptible to being easily manipulated by those with less scruple about these things.

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* [[Literature/AmericanGirls Felicity Merriman]]'s parents exercise In ''Literature/SenseAndSensibility'', Edward Ferrars refuses to break his engagement to [[BitchInSheepsClothing Lucy Steele]], even though he no longer loves her and in fact loves Elinor instead. For a woman to have an engagement broken on her ''was'' SeriousBusiness in Georgian times, however, the engagement had been a carefully-kept secret so there wouldn't be any public backlash. Nevertheless, he gave his word.
* ''[[Literature/{{Sharpe}} Sharpe's Honour]]'', shockingly enough, features
this as a major element. It starts with Sharpe fighting a duel over the honour of a woman he ''knows'' to be a traitor. Half-way through he's offered the chance to escape captivity, foil his nemesis and save the war for Britain, but refuses because doing so would involve breaking his [[IGaveMyWord parole]] (which he has not, at that point, given).
* In ''Literature/SirAproposOfNothing'', the titular AntiHero has no use for honor, and often uses other people's honor against them in strange and awesome ways. Well, sometimes. Okay,
when they learn Felicity has tamed Jiggy Nye's abused horse and intends to rescue her. Despite knowing Nye he's backed into a corner.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
** Eddard "Ned" Stark from ''A Game of Thrones'' is such a classic example, this trope could easily be called 'The Ned Stark Mindset', hence the comic on the main page. The series being highly [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical in outlook]], this
is a hateful abuser, they tell her that the horse belongs tragic flaw which leads directly to him and that the right thing to do is give her back. [[spoiler: Subverted when Ben stands up for Felicity his own death, his daughter's captivity, and Mr. Merriman offers to ''buy'' his son's armed rebellion.]] However, the horse, series plays with the trope quite a lot:
** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed,
but it does little good when Felicity widely speculated) truth that Jon is forced to give the animal back and runs away son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in tears.an attempt to protect Sansa.]]
* In the writings of Creator/{{Plato}}, ** Eddard's son Robb Stark unfortunately inherits this is trait. [[spoiler: Despite his pledge to marry a central aspect of Socrates' philosophy: since Frey lady to seal his alliance with the soul is more important than the body, nothing can ever justify acting dishonorably, even Freys, he marries another woman, to save one's her honor after sleeping with her, shortly after Frey men died fighting for him. This eventually leads to them betraying him, resulting in not only his own life. Therefore he didn't escape from prison like death, but that of his friends planned, but obeyed the law, drinking hemlock as the means to carry out mother and thousands of his death sentence.
* ''Literature/KnowledgeOfAngels'': Palinor
men.]]
** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he
refuses to pretend kill an old, innocent man in cold blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life since [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's repented with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) would kill him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s
his atheism mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]
** The Karstarks (actual distant relations) are just as bad, if in a different way. They have honor, and are prickly about maintaining the letter of it. To the point of [[spoiler: taking umbrage when Robb has to execute one of their members for, frankly, being a grief-stricken, convention-breaking idiot]] which causes most [[spoiler: to turn coat]] instead of acknowledging the whole "stewardship of the North" thing the Starks have going on may occasionally lead to conflicts of honor like this. The insanity snowballs towards [[spoiler: a major in-family fight over who will inherit their own titles, let alone anything else]], at a point in time when the bigger seasonal picture is not that healthy for anybody not being able to pull together as a whole. Well done, Karstarks: you can shoot yourselves in the feet about as well as Starks can.
** Subverted in the case of House Arryn. Honor is a trait of House Arryn and it's heavily implied that the only reason the Starks are so honorable is because Ned was fostered with Jon Arryn, but by the beginning of the series, the only Arryns left are crazy Lysa and her sickly six year old son.
** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, having to kill King Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Jaime is denounced as "Kingslayer".]]]]
** Much like Jaime, former Kingsguard Ser Barristan Selmy is shown to struggle with his guilt at putting HonourBeforeReason and standing by throughout Aerys' reign.
** The Night's Watch must defend the realm from anything beyond the wall and stay out of any political entanglements. [[spoiler:Jon Snow tries to mobilise the Watch to rein in the warring kingdoms before the Others return, and gets stabbed for it. That said, PoorCommunicationKills is also at work here, because as far as his Watchmen can tell, he's not only picking sides but backing long-shot underdog Stannis, whose expected defeat would leave the Watch open to retribution.]]
** Stannis Baratheon, too. He doesn't even ''want'' to be king, but he's going to fight for it because to his way of thinking, he's the rightful king whether he likes it or not. For the same reason, he refuses to ally himself with competing kings Renly or Robb Stark even though he badly needs allies against the Lannisters. Learning to compromise and put aside his personal grievances for the good of the realm is his main character arc, but his stubborn commitment to honour remains constant.
** Of course, it is worth pointing out that it works the other way. Characters who are seen as too ruthless or dishonourable become pariahs, even if their actions are well-meaning (for example, Ned Stark garnered a reputation as a merciless HangingJudge for his commitment to the word of honour), leading to others refusing to trust them, ally with them or utilise their valuable skills, which causes issues all over the place. [[SacredHospitality Guest Right]] is the one near-universally valued tradition in Westeros, and [[spoiler:the Frey's]] violation of it [[spoiler:during the Red Wedding to massacre the Starks and end The War of the Five Kings in one swoop]] leads to severe political consequences for the perpetrators and chaos throughout the continent.
** Late-game POV character Jon Connington comes to the conclusion that he put HonourBeforeReason in giving Robert Baratheon time to escape in the Battle of the Bells instead of [[KillEmAll burning the whole town down]], and resolves to be more ruthless in future. The reader is left to draw their own conclusion as to whether he is right.
** Brienne of Tarth aspires to a knightly honour code, and is keenly aware of this trope when she sees that defending a group of war orphans will mean taking on six armed bandits by herself. She tries it anyway, to the internal monologue of ''No chance, and no choice''.
* ''Literature/SpiralArm'': In ''The January Dancer'', the two owners of the only ammunition factory burn it down to keep the civil war a fight with blades. Then they shake hands and depart for opposite sides of the war. The one who joins the coup is regarded as odd by his own side, who do not understand his principles.
* The Arkenites in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse take their debts very seriously. In the StarTrekVanguard series, Klingons save an Arkenite outpost from a disaster in exchange for the outpost swearing allegiance to the Klingon Empire; the residents then refuse to back out. Even though they don't want to leave the Federation or help the Klingons, they all willingly keep to the promise
even when Starfleet shows up trying to "liberate" them. To choose gratification over duty and refuse to repay their debt would, their leader explains, be unthinkable.
* ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'':
** ''[[Literature/StarWarsLostStars Lost Stars]]'': The valley kindred of Jelucan,
the cost would be death, saying he would lose his integrity.
* If the Seguleh from ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' think you might be tough, they will challenge you, no matter where or when. And they'll make it a fair fight, too. All three warriors
older of the Punitive Army challenge Tool over planet's two cultures, were exiled to the course of ''Literature/MemoriesOfIce'', which forces Lady Envy to magically knock out Mok, planet five hundred years before the Clone Wars because they refused to forsake the vows of loyalty they took after losing a civil war. Honour is ''very'' important to their culture, and violating an oath is considered unthinkable, even if it may be morally wrong not to do so. This leaves protagonist Ciena Ree miserable after she realizes that the Empire, which she chose to serve, is evil, because her code of honour prevents her from ever deserting.
* ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'':
** In ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'', mercenaries burst in on Luke Skywalker and some Bothan spies. One of the spies is shot but not with an [[InstantDeathBullet Instant Death Blaster Bolt]], and Luke refuses to leave him -- and the Bothan dies, and Luke is captured, while those Bothans who
just ''would ran get away.
** ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'' has Leia in an Imperial city and lying low, because they know she's there and are hunting her. While in hiding she sees burglars breaking into a house that has a child in it; she knows they probably won't just let the kid be, so she fires her blaster, even knowing that patrollers might hear and investigate. She knows it will get people's attention. That's why she does it, even though she might be discovered because of it.
** The novelization of ''Literature/RevengeOfTheSith'' gives this as the reason why Obi-Wan doesn't MercyKill the dismembered and burning Anakin (along with the fact that he can sense Sidious' approach and my
not stop fighting'' have time to escape):
-->In the end, there was only one choice. [...] In the end, he was still Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he was still a Jedi, and he would not murder a helpless man.\\
He would leave it to the will of the Force.
* In Brandon Sanderson's ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', all of the Knights Radiant are supposed to be this way. While still dangerous, the "before reason" part is somewhat avoided by the fact that, on a world created by the Shard ''Honor'', acting like this gives you superpowers (specifically it attracts a spren, a sort of abstract ElementalEmbodiment of whatever particular principle you're holding to, who bonds with you and grants you power so long as you don't betray that principle), meaning it stands a decent chance of getting you out of the trouble it got you into.
* ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'':
** In ''Empire of Ivory'', Laurence cannot abide High Command's act of [[spoiler:sending a Typhoid Mary among the French aerial corps -- an act which probably would win the war for England, but would just as likely also result in genocide among Europe's (and possibly Asia's) dragons. So, in an act he knows will see him hung, he steals some of the curative mushrooms they'd gathered from Africa, and goes AWOL to deliver them to the French.]] In a further act of Honor Before Reason, he [[spoiler:turns down Napoleon's offer of asylum or safe passage to China, preferring to return to England and face the music. Temeraire, getting in on the act, refuses to let him return alone. Laurence urges him to return to China, because he knew Temeraire was destined to be used as nothing but breeding stock if he went back. He doesn't.]] And the book ends with them flying back together.
** [[spoiler:Admiral Roland]] {{lampshade}}s this in the fifth book by pointing out how this verges on LawfulStupid: he could have [[spoiler:sent a discreet letter to [[strike:Napoleon]] ''anyone in France'' telling them where to get the curative mushrooms; someone as ingenious as Napoleon could easily have bribed a servant for a sample.]] This would have prevented [[spoiler:High Command's act of genocide]] ''without'' anyone knowing it was him.
*** [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Laurence would know though]] and explicitly says it makes no difference and is treason either way.
** Which only comes after he stops another (Prussian) character from shooting Napoleon from cover, but this may be not thanks to honor but his reasoning that Lien would have mauled them if they'd killed Napoleon not, which would have stopped them from revealing the French's plans they had just overheard.
** Temeraire justifiably hates this aspect of his captain's personality, particularly when it [[spoiler: gets him shot in ''League of Dragons'']]:
-->'''Temeraire:''' ''Honor'' was a word which seemed associated with every worst disaster of his life: a hollowness for which Laurence had before now been willing to die in the most unnecessary fashion, and this one more unnecessary than ever.
* In Creator/WenSpencer's ''Literature/{{Tinker}}'', Windwolf threatens to castrate the man who offered Tinker a ScarpiaUltimatum to treat Windwolf. It would have stained his honor, even though it might cost him his life.
* ''Literature/TrappedOnDraconica'':
** Daniar takes her ThouShallNotKill thing very seriously. Enemy soldiers were overrunning her kingdom's capital but she refused to do more than disarm them because they were conscripts. [[AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs This doesn't work well for her.]]
** Kazem too. Lots of 'die on your feet then live on your knees' sort of lines from him. Whether he believes this himself or is just using it as propaganda is up for debate.
* In ''The Trumpeter of Krackow'', a legend is told of a trumpeter who is sworn to blow a trumpet from a church tower every hour, doing so
even while facing the Mongols are ravaging his city, thus revealing his presence. As might be expected, he ends up shot with an enemy army.
arrow for it.
* In the ''Literature/DreambloodDuology'', Ehiru's main flaw is first pages of ''Literature/TyrannnosaurCanyon'' Tom Broadbent promises a dying man that he will convey a notebook and message to the dead man's daughter. He takes this promise personally, not allowing the police to get involved when they might have been able to help and directly imperiling his by-the-book adherence to Hananja's Law friends and family.
* In Creator/GrahamMcNeill's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' Literature/{{Ultramarines}} novel ''Dead Sky Black Sun'', Uriel and Pasanius pursue their death oath until the bitter end although [[WhatYouAreInTheDark no one would know if they failed]], [[spoiler:and Leonid joins them, although the renegade Marines who join them for a time decide that it wasn't worth it]].
* Another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel example: ''[[Literature/SoulDrinkers Soul Drinker]]''. Sarpedon's
refusal to acknowledge back down and let the possibility of corruption within Adeptus Mechanicus get away with stealing the priesthood, making him susceptible Soulspear (which was ''the'' most sacred relic of their Chapter, and they had only just managed to locate it) led directly to their being easily manipulated declared Excommunicate Traitoris and finding themselves chased around the galaxy pursued by both Chaos and the Imperium, perpetually depleted and subject to shoot-on-sight orders.
* In Creator/JamesSwallow's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel ''[[Literature/BloodAngels Deus Encarmine]]'', Stele indulges in FlawExploitation with this; because the Blood Angels believe they owe him, he sets into play a BatmanGambit to win them to Chaos. Unfortunately, he trusts it a little too far. When he hears [[EpicHail a message had been sent]] bearing the id of a dead sergeant, he is flabbergasted: the Blood Angels regard [[DueToTheDead tampering with the equipment of the dead as sacrilegious]]. He does not consider that it is forbidden ''except under the most dire circumstances'' and so does not investigate who could have gotten to the dead man's gear. Indeed, when the responsible Blood Angel confesses,
those with less scruple he confesses to regard it as very serious -- but not so serious that even investigating it should take precedence over the news he had sent.
* In yet another ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel, ''[[Literature/SpaceMarineBattles Fall of Damnos]]'', the entire plan to defeat the KeystoneArmy relies on taking down said Keystone, which happens to be Necron Royarch (king). The leader of the defending force, [[GloryHound Cato Sicarius]], decides to duel him and forbids anyone else from helping out, as it would be "improper". Had he let go of his honor this one time, perhaps the title of the novel wouldn't be so spoilerrific...
* Galad Damodred, from Robert Jordan's [[strike:12-book trilogy]] [[strike:DoorStopper]] bookshelf-destroyer fantasy series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', ''always'' does what is right, no matter the cost to himself or others. His half-sister considers him loathsome for this reason. He also joins the series' version of the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]], which created similar opinions in readers. This actually works in his favor in ''Knife of Dreams'' when he challenges an opponent knowing that his opponent was the better swordsman [[spoiler:only to win because his opponent was dragging out the fight to make Galad suffer. The result is that the [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] now follow him.]]
** This seems like something of an informed ability (or maybe "informed personality trait"?). Throughout the books, Galad is usually willing to help most of the other characters that cross his path, or at least doesn't look to deep into things when they blatantly lie to him. He's avoided the soul-scarring spiritual and mental anguish pretty much every single other person has to deal with, and has managed to purge most of the evil elements from his fanatically-loyal army, while getting them to drop their centuries-long "Magic is Evil" crusade in favor of fighting the true Big Bad. For a series that is all
about these things.tragic flaws, Galad seems to make his work.
** Also, there's the Ogier, who'll ''never'' go back on their word, a fact exploited by Faile in ''The Shadow Rising'' in order to [[spoiler:force Perrin to take her with him to the Two Rivers]].
* ''Literature/TheWhiteCompany'': Sir Nigel has tendencies in this direction, to the exasperation of the people around him in general and his wife in particular. His wife, squire and second-in-command can usually keep him from getting into too much trouble, but sometime have to go behind his back to do so.
* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken proponent of {{Romanticism}}, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)
* While ''Literature/TheZombieSurvivalGuide'' advises you to travel through urban areas as quickly as possible and not stop except under dire circumstances, an exception can be made if you want to assist other survivors. [[LampshadeHanging "Sometimes, logic must give way to humanity."]] (The rest of the book averts this pretty hard, though, and encourages the reader to be as pragmatic as possible for the sake of their own survival.)
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** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking his life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]

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** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death or risking his their life by doing so -- but even in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]
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** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]

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** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cersei Lannister a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]



** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old man in cold blood because he is an innocent, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life, causing [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) to kill him, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death, and even then [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series thus far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]

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** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old old, innocent man in cold blood because he is an innocent, blood, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life, causing life since [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) to would kill him, him as a result, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themselves from the House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death, and death or risking his life by doing so -- but even then in his case, [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series thus so far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]



** Subverted in the case of House Arryn. Honor is a trait of House Arryn and it's heavily implied that the only reason the Starks are so honorable is because Ned was fostered with Jon Arryn, but by the beginning of the series the only Arryn's left are crazy Lysa and her sick five year old son.
** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, killing king Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he's a despised pariah for breaking his oath.]]]]

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** Subverted in the case of House Arryn. Honor is a trait of House Arryn and it's heavily implied that the only reason the Starks are so honorable is because Ned was fostered with Jon Arryn, but by the beginning of the series series, the only Arryn's Arryns left are crazy Lysa and her sick five sickly six year old son.
** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, killing king having to kill King Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he's a despised pariah for breaking his oath.Jaime is denounced as "Kingslayer".]]]]
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** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cercei a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]

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** While Ned puts honor before expedience in [[spoiler: giving Cercei Cersei a chance to flee before going public with the news of her children's real [[{{twincest}} parentage]], and mistakenly trusts that everyone will honor Robert's final decree]], he sacrifices his own honor to protect his loved ones at least twice: [[spoiler: first, he creates the story of Jon being his illegitimate son to protect Jon, saving Jon from the fatal wrath of current ruling regime by hiding the (unconfirmed, but widely speculated) truth that Jon is the son of his late sister Lyanna Stark by the deceased Rhaegar Targaryen. Second, he confesses to crimes he didn't commit in an attempt to protect Sansa.]]
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** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old man in cold blood because he is an innocent, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life, causing [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) to kill him, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themself from the house, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death, and even then [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series thus far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]

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** Ned's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] Jon Snow shows this trait as well. At one point, he refuses to kill an old man in cold blood because he is an innocent, even though his refusal would forfeit his own life, causing [[spoiler: the group of wildlings he's with (as a FakeDefector for the Watch) to kill him, preventing him from warning the Night's Watch about the massive surprise attack from these wildlings headed their way.]]
** HonorBeforeReason could easily be the Starks' back-up family motto. Those Starks who don't subscribe to this policy do so usually as part of distancing themself themselves from the house, House, although, at this point, [[spoiler: Arya [[SanitySlippage lacks honor and reason]], Sansa is a ManipulativeBitch in training, and Bran repeatedly {{Mind Rape}}s his mentally disabled friend.]] Benjen is probably the closest example of a Stark retaining their honour and not dying a horrible death, and even then [[spoiler: he's been missing for three years and might be dead anyway, having achieved pretty much nothing in the entire series thus far except for being a CoolUncle and one of the reasons why his nephew Jon aspired to join the Watch.]]



* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagee with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]

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* Wanderer, a parasitic alien who co-inhabits the mind and body of a human named Melanie in ''Literature/TheHost'' is very pro-life. She lies, badly and obviously, in order to protect the life of a guy who repeatedly tried to kill her. In fact, she's so pro-life that when she realizes that being a parasite on intelligent species is wrong, she [[spoiler: would rather let herself die than be transplanted into another body and take away their free will. Fortunately for Wanda, her friends (a) disagee disagree with that, and (b) found her a replacement body that was as close to her ethical standards as possible.]]



* In Creator/JamesSwallow's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel ''[[Literature/BloodAngels Deus Encarmine]]'', Stele indulges in FlawExploitation with this; because the Blood Angels believe they owe him, he sets into play a BatmanGambit to win them to Chaos. Unfortunately, he trusts it a little too far. When he hears [[EpicHail a message had been sent]] bearing the id of a dead sergeant, he is flabbergasted: the Blood Angels regard [[DueToTheDead tampering with the equipment of the dead as sacriligeous]]. He does not consider that it is forbidden ''except under the most dire circumstances'' and so does not investigate who could have gotten to the dead man's gear. Indeed, when the responsible Blood Angel confesses, those he confesses to regard it as very serious -- but not so serious that even investigating it should take precedence over the news he had sent.

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* In Creator/JamesSwallow's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' novel ''[[Literature/BloodAngels Deus Encarmine]]'', Stele indulges in FlawExploitation with this; because the Blood Angels believe they owe him, he sets into play a BatmanGambit to win them to Chaos. Unfortunately, he trusts it a little too far. When he hears [[EpicHail a message had been sent]] bearing the id of a dead sergeant, he is flabbergasted: the Blood Angels regard [[DueToTheDead tampering with the equipment of the dead as sacriligeous]].sacrilegious]]. He does not consider that it is forbidden ''except under the most dire circumstances'' and so does not investigate who could have gotten to the dead man's gear. Indeed, when the responsible Blood Angel confesses, those he confesses to regard it as very serious -- but not so serious that even investigating it should take precedence over the news he had sent.
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