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22nd Apr '16 10:48:14 AM Kakai
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* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karl's plan to defend them is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling this cowardly and trying to force him to take the honorable route of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting that the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to one, Karl lambasts the Gardeners for the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.

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* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karl's Karyl's plan to defend them is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling this cowardly and trying to force him to take the honorable route of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting that the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to one, Karl Karyl lambasts the Gardeners for the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.
22nd Apr '16 10:38:41 AM Kakai
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* Discussed and ultimately defied in ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords''. When the Gardeners learn that Karl's plan to defend them is to lay traps and fight underhandedly, they are appalled, calling this cowardly and trying to force him to take the honorable route of facing the enemy dinosaur-knights in the open field. Noting that the enemy outnumbers them in knights roughly few dozen to one, Karl lambasts the Gardeners for the idea and ultimately, reason prevails.
23rd Feb '16 6:16:23 AM AdamKeller
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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken Romantic writer, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)

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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken Romantic writer, proponent of {{Romanticism}}, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)
22nd Feb '16 10:15:07 AM AdamKeller
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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Tehn, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken RomanticWriter, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)

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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. Tehn, Then, we will be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken RomanticWriter, Romantic writer, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)
22nd Feb '16 10:13:15 AM AdamKeller
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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set in the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a grrison of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. We will then be happy to sign a contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians .

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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), is an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set in during the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a grrison force of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. We Tehn, we will then be happy to sign a new contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we have to move on and can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing".nothing left". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians . (It is noteworthy that Sienkiewicz was an outspoken RomanticWriter, and the characters in his books - minor and major, heroes and villains alike - often tend to act in high-minded chivalrous manner.)
22nd Feb '16 10:06:44 AM AdamKeller
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* ''Literature/WithFireAndSword'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem''), an 1884 historical novel by the Polish author HenrykSienkiewicz set in the 17th century Khmelnytsky Uprising which ended Polish rule in what is now the Ukraine. In one of the early scenes, the Ukrainian rebels capture a town where there is a grrison of German mercenaries. The Ukrainians suggest that the mercenaries change sides and offer them a better contract than they had from their Polish employers. "You are mercenaries, this is not your war, what do you mind on whose side you fight?" But the mercenaries' commander answers "In three months' time our contract to the King of Poland ends. We will then be happy to sign a contract with you". The Ukrainian says: "You don't have three months, we can't afford to have at our back a force loyal to the King of Poland. If you don't change sides now, we will be forced to fight you. You are surrounded and greatly outnumbered!". To which the German answers: "It is our honor to be loyal to our contract and our employer, whatever the cost. If we lose our honor, we have nothing". Thereupon, the mercenaries fight to the death against impossible odds rather than betray their contract, dying to the last and extracting a heavy price from the Ukrainians .
18th Feb '16 6:22:11 PM blackravenclaw
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* In "Literature/EffiBriest", after Isntetten discovers that [[spoiler: Effi had an affair 7 years prior]], he decides that he must demand satisfaction and reclaim his honor, even though he openly acknowledges that it's a senseless act that will destroy his family over an event that he's not even "that" upset about.
15th Jan '16 9:06:49 PM HeraldAlberich
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* ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse''
** In ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'', mercenaries burst in on Luke Skywalker and some Bothan spies. One of the spies is shot but not with an [[InstantDeathBullet Instant Death Blasterbolt]], and Luke refuses to leave him - and the Bothan dies, and Luke is captured, while those Bothans who just ran got away.

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* ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse''
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** In ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'', mercenaries burst in on Luke Skywalker and some Bothan spies. One of the spies is shot but not with an [[InstantDeathBullet Instant Death Blasterbolt]], Blaster Bolt]], and Luke refuses to leave him - and him--and the Bothan dies, and Luke is captured, while those Bothans who just ran got get away.


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** The novelization of ''Literature/RevengeOfTheSith'' gives this as the reason why Obi-Wan doesn't MercyKill the dismembered and burning Anakin (along with the fact that he can sense Sidious's approach and my not have time to escape):
--> In the end, there was only one choice. [...] In the end, he was still Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he was still a Jedi, and he would not murder a helpless man.\\
He would leave it to the will of the Force.
2nd Jan '16 3:26:20 PM Adeon
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** Geary starts giving captains [[InsaneTrollLogic interesting]] interpretations of any orders that don't involve a full offensive in order to ensure that they follow them rather than ignore them in favor of an [[AttackAttackAttack all out attack]]. Good examples are referring to a retreat as repositioning to attack from a different direction or getting damaged ships to stay out of a fight by personally tasking them with defending the fleet auxiliaries.
11th Dec '15 9:48:00 PM Vox
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** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, killing king Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he's a despised pariah for breaking his oath.]]

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** The Kingsguard are sworn to protect the king, no matter how bad he may be. [[spoiler:Jaime Lannister broke this rule, killing king Aerys, an AxCrazy murderous rapist who was actively trying to [[KillEmAll kill everyone in the city of King's Landing]] because [[TheMentallyDisturbed the voices in his head]] told him to. As a result, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he's a despised pariah for breaking his oath.]]]]]]
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