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26th Jun '16 10:36:28 AM randomtroper89
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* Not even Literature/TheBible is HoYay free -
** The Romans clearly read the subtext concerning early Christians - they mistook their custom of greeting each other with kisses regardless of gender or relation to indicate huge incestuous orgies by nightfall.



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The Romans clearly read the subtext concerning early Christians - they mistook their custom of greeting each other with kisses regardless of gender or relation to indicate huge incestuous orgies by nightfall.


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20th Apr '16 10:01:03 AM Cathy2708
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* David and Jonathan. When they meet, it's stated that their souls were knit together. Jonathan then gives David his robe, armor, and weapons. Later, Jonathan saves David from Saul. They have a final tragic meeting after Saul forbids them from seeing each other, complete with weeping and manly kissing. When Saul and Jonathan are killed in battle. David rends his clothes and mourns Jonathan, and has his people mourn him, too. David even says he loves Jonathan more than any women.
-->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])

-->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]

--> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]

* Ruth and Naomi. Ruth is described as clinging to Naomi with the same word used to describe Adam and Eve's relationship. Ruth's declaration of loyalty to Naomi is often used for wedding vows, and even though Ruth eventually marries Boaz, it's clear that the relationship between her and Naomi is still the most important to her.
-->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]

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* David and Jonathan. When they meet, it's stated that their souls were knit together. Jonathan then gives David his robe, armor, and weapons. Later, Jonathan saves David from Saul. They have a final tragic meeting after Saul forbids them from seeing each other, complete with weeping and manly kissing. When Saul and Jonathan are killed in battle. David rends his clothes and mourns Jonathan, and has his people mourn him, too. David even says he loves Jonathan more than any women.
-->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])

-->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]

--> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]

* Ruth and Naomi. Ruth is described as clinging to Naomi with the same word used to describe Adam and Eve's relationship. Ruth's declaration of loyalty to Naomi is often used for wedding vows, and even though Ruth eventually marries Boaz, it's clear that the relationship between her and Naomi is still the most important to her.
-->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]

19th Feb '16 9:07:58 PM Ninja857142
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* The eunuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.

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* The eunuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought by some to be a gay man, since we it can ascertain be ascertained he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunuch" could refers refer then to men who aren't attracted by women.
1st Feb '16 10:01:35 AM CurledUpWithDakka
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->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])

->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]

-> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]

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->And -->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])

->40 -->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]

-> --> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]



->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]

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->16 -->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]
17th Jan '16 1:36:28 PM ClipboardFox22
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* *The eunnuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunnuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.

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\n\n* *The eunnuch David and Jonathan. When they meet, it's stated that their souls were knit together. Jonathan then gives David his robe, armor, and weapons. Later, Jonathan saves David from Saul. They have a final tragic meeting after Saul forbids them from seeing each other, complete with weeping and manly kissing. When Saul and Jonathan are killed in battle. David rends his clothes and mourns Jonathan, and has his people mourn him, too. David even says he loves Jonathan more than any women.
->And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (1 Samuel 18:1, [=KJV=])

->40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city. 41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city. (1 Samuel 20:40-42, [=KJV=]

-> 25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished! (2 Samuel 1:25-27, [=KJV=]

* Ruth and Naomi. Ruth is described as clinging to Naomi with the same word used to describe Adam and Eve's relationship. Ruth's declaration of loyalty to Naomi is often used for wedding vows, and even though Ruth eventually marries Boaz, it's clear that the relationship between her and Naomi is still the most important to her.
->16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: 17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. (Ruth 1:16-17, [=KJV=]

* The eunuch
saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunnuch" "eunuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.
8th Jan '16 4:59:59 AM Cathy2708
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* Not even Literature/TheBible is HoYay free - see David and Jonathan for the boys and Ruth and Naomi for the girls. It says a lot that the dialogue between Ruth and Naomi is occasionally used at ''wedding services''.
** Seeing as Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law, [[IncestIsRelative wouldn't that mean...]]
** Oddly enough, the knee jerk hand wave to the former is it's NotWhatItLooksLike, meaning it apparently even looks like HoYay even to conservative Christians.
*** Marrying your gay lover's Sister is also a fairly common tactic.
** The fitsr LGBT French association was named ''David et Jonathan'' by its Christian founders; another Italian association named itself ''Davide e Gionata''.
* Jesus was always surrounded by a dozen men all the time, and several counts of men kissing each other. True, that was the typical greeting at the time, but taken out of context:
--> Genesis 27:26- Then his father Isaac said to him, "Come here, my son, and kiss me."
** This troper panicked and tried to describe the disciples thing as "They're Jesus' sidekicks. They're like Batman and Robin." Which only made my church youth director give me a ''look'' and say, "Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that? Find a different example, maybe?" Uh, oops.
** John's gospel in some versions has him speak in third person. His name for himself? "The one Jesus/He loved." Now, sure, Jesus loves everyone, but when you give yourself the title of THE one he loved, maybe there's a little possessiveness there . . .
*** Ancient Greek had [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love four different words]] for Love, so there's no reason for it to be ambiguous. If [[TheOtherWiki Wikipedia]]'s excerpt is to be believed ([[WikiVandal I know, I know]]), the word the Greek gospels used was a form of "agape": Generally, a non-sexual, consuming obsession, insistent in the other's well-being [[AllTakeAndNoGive without regards for how the lover is treated in return]]. Theologically (in Abrahamic circles), "agape" generally means "God/Christ cares for you no matter what you do". [[QuoteMine Out of context]], though, especially considering there was very little Christian context before the Gospels and Letters, it could ''certainly'' be taken as "the one with whom Jesus was, like, totally infatuated, you'd have to see it to believe it".
*** And John the Evangelist was (possibly) not John the Apostle. Unless he decided to make it some kind of self-insert fanfiction...
** It needs to be noted that many women traveled with Jesus as well. The writers of the Gospels just didn't consider them important enough to warrant more than few mentions of them, and Mary Magdalene was the only one mentioned by name.
*** (Actually, there's Mary & Martha of Bethany, Mary the wife of Clopas, Joanna...to name but a few).
** The Romans clearly read the subtext concerning early Christians - they took their custom of greeting each other with kisses regardless of gender or relation to indicate huge incestuous orgies by nightfall.
** Apparently, according to Thomas Kyd, Christopher Marlowe shipped Jesus/St John...
** Jesus also tells his new fisherman buddies that if they give up their jobs, he'll [[EvenTheGuysWantHim teach them how to catch men instead of fish]] - popularly translated as "I will make you fishers of men", but often translated as, literally, teaching them "to catch men instead of catching fish" (no word on the double-meaning of "[[{{Uke}} catch]])".
* Jesus and Judas. The song 'The Garden' by P. J. Harvey seems to be about this particular pairing, or a least to invite them in describing two other characters...
** Refrence: [[http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/The-Garden-lyrics-P-J-Harvey/1E7E03A2D3F9376F482568AB000FAE58]]
** Some people think Judas might be TheAntichrist making it the ultimate FoeYay
* God and Abraham. Think about it. A special relationship...involving Abraham's penis. Considering what [[EldritchAbomination God is]], it's kind of weird.
* Some people believe that the centurion and his servant Jesus healed (Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10) were lovers. It is interesting to note that if this is true, Jesus does not condemn them but praises the centurion for his remarkable faith.
* The eunnuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunnuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.

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* Not even Literature/TheBible is HoYay free - see David and Jonathan for the boys and Ruth and Naomi for the girls. It says a lot that the dialogue between Ruth and Naomi is occasionally used at ''wedding services''.
** Seeing as Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law, [[IncestIsRelative wouldn't that mean...]]
** Oddly enough, the knee jerk hand wave to the former is it's NotWhatItLooksLike, meaning it apparently even looks like HoYay even to conservative Christians.
*** Marrying your gay lover's Sister is also a fairly common tactic.
** The fitsr LGBT French association was named ''David et Jonathan'' by its Christian founders; another Italian association named itself ''Davide e Gionata''.
* Jesus was always surrounded by a dozen men all the time, and several counts of men kissing each other. True, that was the typical greeting at the time, but taken out of context:
--> Genesis 27:26- Then his father Isaac said to him, "Come here, my son, and kiss me."
** This troper panicked and tried to describe the disciples thing as "They're Jesus' sidekicks. They're like Batman and Robin." Which only made my church youth director give me a ''look'' and say, "Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that? Find a different example, maybe?" Uh, oops.
** John's gospel in some versions has him speak in third person. His name for himself? "The one Jesus/He loved." Now, sure, Jesus loves everyone, but when you give yourself the title of THE one he loved, maybe there's a little possessiveness there . . .
*** Ancient Greek had [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love four different words]] for Love, so there's no reason for it to be ambiguous. If [[TheOtherWiki Wikipedia]]'s excerpt is to be believed ([[WikiVandal I know, I know]]), the word the Greek gospels used was a form of "agape": Generally, a non-sexual, consuming obsession, insistent in the other's well-being [[AllTakeAndNoGive without regards for how the lover is treated in return]]. Theologically (in Abrahamic circles), "agape" generally means "God/Christ cares for you no matter what you do". [[QuoteMine Out of context]], though, especially considering there was very little Christian context before the Gospels and Letters, it could ''certainly'' be taken as "the one with whom Jesus was, like, totally infatuated, you'd have to see it to believe it".
*** And John the Evangelist was (possibly) not John the Apostle. Unless he decided to make it some kind of self-insert fanfiction...
** It needs to be noted that many women traveled with Jesus as well. The writers of the Gospels just didn't consider them important enough to warrant more than few mentions of them, and Mary Magdalene was the only one mentioned by name.
*** (Actually, there's Mary & Martha of Bethany, Mary the wife of Clopas, Joanna...to name but a few).
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** The Romans clearly read the subtext concerning early Christians - they took mistook their custom of greeting each other with kisses regardless of gender or relation to indicate huge incestuous orgies by nightfall.
** Apparently, according to Thomas Kyd, Christopher Marlowe shipped Jesus/St John...
** Jesus also tells his new fisherman buddies that if they give up their jobs, he'll [[EvenTheGuysWantHim teach them how to catch men instead of fish]] - popularly translated as "I will make you fishers of men", but often translated as, literally, teaching them "to catch men instead of catching fish" (no word on the double-meaning of "[[{{Uke}} catch]])".
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* Jesus and Judas. The song 'The Garden' by P. J. Harvey seems to be about this particular pairing, or a least to invite them in describing two other characters...
** Refrence: [[http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/The-Garden-lyrics-P-J-Harvey/1E7E03A2D3F9376F482568AB000FAE58]]
** Some people think Judas might be TheAntichrist making it the ultimate FoeYay
* God and Abraham. Think about it. A special relationship...involving Abraham's penis. Considering what [[EldritchAbomination God is]], it's kind of weird.
* Some people believe that the centurion and his servant Jesus healed (Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10) were lovers. It is interesting to note that if this is true, Jesus does not condemn them but praises the centurion for his remarkable faith.
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*The eunnuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunnuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.
1st Oct '15 4:10:44 AM dotchan
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*** And John the Evangelist was not John the Apostle. Unless he decided to make it some kind of self-insert fanfiction...

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*** And John the Evangelist was (possibly) not John the Apostle. Unless he decided to make it some kind of self-insert fanfiction...
19th May '15 11:36:02 AM JujuP
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** The fitsr LGBT French association was named ''David et Jonathan'' by its Christian founders; another Italian association named itself ''Davide e Gionata''.




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* The eunnuch saved by John in Acts 8:26-40 is thought to be a gay man, since we can ascertain he was born whole[[note]]The law under operated John forbade the admission of castrated men[[/note]] and that "eunnuch" could refers then to men who aren't attracted by women.
12th Feb '15 3:54:23 AM simplykelp
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* Some people believe that the centurion and his servant Jesus healed (Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10) were lovers. It is interesting to note that if this is true, Jesus does not condemn them but praises the centurion for his remarkable faith.
9th Jun '14 4:39:05 AM SvartiKotturinn
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*** Rabbinical essays on the love between David and Jonathan have pointed out that the translators of the King James Bible made some pretty slick changes to the original story to make it ''less'' homoerotic. In one scene, David sees Jonathan after a long journey and, shall we say, achieves priapic splendor - at least in the Hebrew. In English he just "exceeds" - which scholars claim means he cried a lot.
**** Except, the context makes it clear that they are right, he WAS crying a lot. Unless you think he randomly got a boner in the meddle of telling Jonathan goodbye when Saul was planing to kill him. Referent Passage here: [[http://bible.cc/1_samuel/20-41.htm]]
***** [[SarcasmMode Yes, because it's not like they might have wanted one last encounter or anything...]]
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