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31st Mar '17 10:38:15 AM ErikModi
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** Raven isn't just emotionally stunted, she's ''repressed''. Much as Charles clearly loves her and wants what's best for her, he doesn't really know what that is (ironically, if Raven had been less squeamish about Charles reading her mind, he may have known how badly he was failing her earlier). Charles likely never let Raven just "be a kid," insisting on a level of mental discipline and control so she could keep her powers in check, the same kind of discipline Charles himself must have had with his power. That kind of discipline apparently comes naturally to Charles, not so much to Raven. In the CIA building, for the first time, she's surrounded by other mutants, mutants who are her own (biological) age, and who've had to adapt to their powers in their own ways. She likely rebounds to being ''much'' more immature at the joy of finding a group of people with whom she can ''finally'', unreservedly, be herself (more or less).


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30th Nov '16 7:52:37 AM MrDeath
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** Aging. Not growing. Hank is talking about the cell degradation of aging, not the process of growing into an adult.
28th Nov '16 6:07:16 PM ijffdrie
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* A related Raven aging-related question: If her body ages twice as slowly as normal, doesn't that mean that the 'little kid' version of her was actually twenty or so?
4th Oct '16 10:01:32 AM hoodiecrow
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** He could have switched to English because he didn't care any more whether the Nazi understood him or not.
4th Oct '16 9:44:45 AM hoodiecrow
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*** This exchange seems to exist to show that the breach between Erik and Charles wasn't all Erik's fault. Charles panicked and stupidly blurted out what might seem a relevant defense to a sheltered, trusting, law-abiding young man, and in doing so he hurt Erik to the bone, at least temporarily undoing all the progress they had made softening Erik's paranoid, lone-wolf tendencies. One can imagine that Charles has regretted those words thousand times over since then.
23rd Jun '16 5:39:53 PM costanton11
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*** X-Men Apocalypse confirms that Alex is Scott's brother, although it doesn't address the 20 year age gap.
17th Jun '16 5:19:05 PM TheWoosterCode
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** The legal reason is mentioned in a deleted scene. Apparently a man tried to kidnap his foster sister and Alex turned him to ash.
18th May '16 7:26:05 AM timemonkey
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** For the same reason any of the others do, they believe in his goals and he's the big gun with all the resources so they follow him either out of genuine belief in him or they're simply waiting until he's completed his plan before getting rid of him. Likely the reason they follow Magneto at the end, they need a super powerful mutant to accomplish their goals.


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** This was already covered further up the page, being largely isolated from society has stunted her emotional age so she acts younger than she is.
25th Apr '16 8:33:28 AM SharkToast
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* How old is Raven supposed to be? DOFP establishes that Charles is 12 in 1944, making him 30 in this movie. Raven seems to be about his age, maybe a few years younger. Yet Erik, someone who's about Charles's age, claims she's too young for him. She also seems to fit right in with the younger mutants, who she's probably about a decade older than (Banshee is still in High School). Sure, it's established that her power slows her physical aging, but that doesn't affect her mentally maturity.
10th Apr '16 7:41:49 PM dissembly14b
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** It's ''possible'' to see it as canon - if you assume that there just happen to be two diamondy people named Emma in the world, and Beast is clever enough to make himself a holographic disguise by the time of X2, and Magneto suffers from a serious case of HeelFaceRevolvingDoor in between this film and the original trilogy, coming back to Charles's side every so often to help improve Cerebro or track down Jean Gray, and Xavier and Mystique are too pained by their memories to mention their relationship ever again... but yeah, we're looking at very, ''very'' BroadStrokes. There's also Charles' line in the first movie about discovering his powers when he was 15 and meeting Erik when he was 17, and the fact that Magneto's helmet looks completely different between the two and that Xavier is completely unaware that Magneto has the helmet in the earlier parts of the first movie. In addition, the starting scenes of the first X-Men are stated to occur "in the very near future" and suggest that awareness that mutants exist is a recent phenomenon (given that Congress is having Jean Grey explain mutants to them, and that Senator Kelly emphasizes that yes, mutants are ''real''), whereas in First Class, the government, at least, has known mutants exist by 1962; there's no way they could have been successfully keeping it a secret ''that'' long.

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** It's ''possible'' to see it as canon - if you assume that there just happen to be two diamondy people named Emma in the world, and Beast is clever enough to make himself a holographic disguise by the time of X2, X2 (or has just perfected the mutation-suppressing serum, as he in fact has done to some extent in Days of Future Past), and Magneto suffers from a serious case of HeelFaceRevolvingDoor in between this film and the original trilogy, coming back to Charles's side every so often to help improve Cerebro or track down Jean Gray, and Xavier and Mystique are too pained by their memories to mention their relationship ever again... but yeah, we're looking at very, ''very'' BroadStrokes. There's also Charles' line in the first movie about discovering his powers when he was 15 and meeting Erik when he was 17, and the fact that Magneto's helmet looks completely different between the two and that Xavier is completely unaware that Magneto has the helmet in the earlier parts of the first movie. In addition, the starting scenes of the first X-Men are stated to occur "in the very near future" and suggest that awareness that mutants exist is a recent phenomenon (given that Congress is having Jean Grey explain mutants to them, and that Senator Kelly emphasizes that yes, mutants are ''real''), whereas in First Class, the government, at least, has known mutants exist by 1962; there's no way they could have been successfully keeping it a secret ''that'' long.
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