History Headscratchers / XMenFirstClass

25th Apr '16 8:33:28 AM SharkToast
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* How old is Raven supposed to be? DOFP establishes that Charles is 12 in 1944, making him 30 in this movie. Raven seems to be about his age, maybe a few years younger. Yet Erik, someone who's about Charles's age, claims she's too young for him. She also seems to fit right in with the younger mutants, who she's probably about a decade older than (Banshee is still in High School). Sure, it's established that her power slows her physical aging, but that doesn't affect her mentally maturity.
10th Apr '16 7:41:49 PM dissembly14b
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** It's ''possible'' to see it as canon - if you assume that there just happen to be two diamondy people named Emma in the world, and Beast is clever enough to make himself a holographic disguise by the time of X2, and Magneto suffers from a serious case of HeelFaceRevolvingDoor in between this film and the original trilogy, coming back to Charles's side every so often to help improve Cerebro or track down Jean Gray, and Xavier and Mystique are too pained by their memories to mention their relationship ever again... but yeah, we're looking at very, ''very'' BroadStrokes. There's also Charles' line in the first movie about discovering his powers when he was 15 and meeting Erik when he was 17, and the fact that Magneto's helmet looks completely different between the two and that Xavier is completely unaware that Magneto has the helmet in the earlier parts of the first movie. In addition, the starting scenes of the first X-Men are stated to occur "in the very near future" and suggest that awareness that mutants exist is a recent phenomenon (given that Congress is having Jean Grey explain mutants to them, and that Senator Kelly emphasizes that yes, mutants are ''real''), whereas in First Class, the government, at least, has known mutants exist by 1962; there's no way they could have been successfully keeping it a secret ''that'' long.

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** It's ''possible'' to see it as canon - if you assume that there just happen to be two diamondy people named Emma in the world, and Beast is clever enough to make himself a holographic disguise by the time of X2, X2 (or has just perfected the mutation-suppressing serum, as he in fact has done to some extent in Days of Future Past), and Magneto suffers from a serious case of HeelFaceRevolvingDoor in between this film and the original trilogy, coming back to Charles's side every so often to help improve Cerebro or track down Jean Gray, and Xavier and Mystique are too pained by their memories to mention their relationship ever again... but yeah, we're looking at very, ''very'' BroadStrokes. There's also Charles' line in the first movie about discovering his powers when he was 15 and meeting Erik when he was 17, and the fact that Magneto's helmet looks completely different between the two and that Xavier is completely unaware that Magneto has the helmet in the earlier parts of the first movie. In addition, the starting scenes of the first X-Men are stated to occur "in the very near future" and suggest that awareness that mutants exist is a recent phenomenon (given that Congress is having Jean Grey explain mutants to them, and that Senator Kelly emphasizes that yes, mutants are ''real''), whereas in First Class, the government, at least, has known mutants exist by 1962; there's no way they could have been successfully keeping it a secret ''that'' long.
9th Mar '16 4:01:41 PM Jgorgon
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* So...in the end, when Charles looks onto the Aral Sea and sees Azazel has killed everyone so the boat won't stop...why doesn't he just mind-control Azazel and make ''him'' stop the ship?

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* So...in the end, when Charles looks onto the Aral Sea ''Aral Sea'' and sees Azazel has killed everyone so the boat won't stop...why doesn't he just mind-control Azazel and make ''him'' stop the ship?



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29th Feb '16 6:51:12 AM fearlessnikki
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** Emma clearly could escape if she wanted. But given that she at least knew the government had two mutants helping them, she must have thought it was best to wait in prison until the fight was over - assuming whoever won would break her out.


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** And Emma presumably wasn't in diamond form when they captured her, Erik having damaged it. So the prison wasn't built to accommodate it.


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** Just watched the scene again. The top she has one appears to have a strap that goes around the back of her neck. When she's showing her wings to them, her hair is covering the strap on her neck. And if you look at her back, there are no bra straps going down (presumably because it might irritate her wings). So when she shows them her wings, the top is still hanging on from the straps around her neck.
16th Feb '16 4:52:10 AM fearlessnikki
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** The purpose of dog tags in the military is to identify someone in the field - name, date of birth and other various details. If a soldier is killed, someone will remove the tags from the body as proof that they're dead. If someone goes missing in the field, they're not confirmed dead until someone brings the tags as proof. So presumably Moira is wearing them in case she's killed - as she's going into a combat situation. She could also be ex-military in this continuity.
16th Jan '16 7:58:32 AM timemonkey
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*** Most likely. Alex is different from other energy wielders in that when he absorbs all he can instead of just stopping he overloads and generates an explosion. Given how cautious he was about his powers I'd say the same applies in the film universe as well.
13th Dec '15 8:32:19 PM nombretomado
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** As of XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' they are definitely in the same continuity; BroadStrokes in force though.

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** As of XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' they are definitely in the same continuity; BroadStrokes in force though.
8th Sep '15 10:04:23 AM CrypticMirror
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**The answer is quite simply: Yes. Yes, Erik really did want to kill Shaw that much. He kept his concentration camp coin all those years specifically for it. He wanted to make sure the man died by his hand in revenge for killing his mother. He wanted to turn the tables on the whole office confrontation from the start of the movie. Revenge is not rational, nor healthy, but it is a driving force.
8th Sep '15 9:11:48 AM Bense
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*** For a regular person, pushing a coin against their skull while they just stand there will force their head back or tip them over long before the coin can do any real damage, but Shaw was a mutant who had just absorbed a huge amount of nuclear energy. His super-charged muscles are sufficient to hold his head in place while a coin pushes its way into his skull. In a way, Shaw's own strength killed him.
9th Jun '15 2:05:50 PM Lightning4119
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*** The guy had just dragged an entire sub out of the ocean prop-first and lobbed it onto dry land. He's demonstrated the strength to lift something that size, he could easily have yanked the rivets out and shredded the entire sub. That said, he probably wanted to ''make damn sure'' that Shaw actually died, rather than just crushing the sub and calling it good enough.


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* This seems like a minor thing, but why is Moira - a CIA agent, not military - wearing dog tags?
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