History Headscratchers / XMen

** I don't think it's ever supposed to work. Just think about all the {{Alternate Universe}}s where mutants are enslaved, exterminated or ruling over the humans with an iron fist. There's no AU's out there where humans and mutants are just getting along[[note]]feel free to correct me if I'm wrong[[/note]]. Think about that; with the unlimited possibilities in alternate universes, we don't have one single AU where humans and mutants get along. My thinking is that it goes back to the top point; as long as there's no realistic solution for keeping dangerous mutants from hurting innocent humans, StatusQuoIsGod will be in full effect. Of course, this doesn't apply to the movieverse which doesn't have to worry about chugging out additional films; X3 seems to suggest mutants have made great strides in human-mutant relations since they've got a big hairy [[IncrediblyLamePun beast]] working for TheWhiteHouse.

** All House of M did was nearly start a war between ''machine''men and mutants. Had they still had high numbers, ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/SecretInvasion, and Comicbook/DarkReign, would still of happened, which would still lead to moving to San Francisco and fighting Bastion, and the American President would still of given Cyclops a Medal and give mutants a better rep. In a sense you could say that had it not been for House of M Cyclops wouldn't have formed ComicBook/XForce and as such they would probably stand less of a chance, but at the same time, they would have had a larger cast to fight Bastion. In actuality, before House of M, they had made some progress to Mutants, they had their own subculture. Magneto was wrong, they didn't need to go to war, since they still haven't gone to war with humans and they're doing great. At no point would war be beneficial to either side, it never is.

** Keep in mind that most of them don't want to associate themselves with mutants and vice versa. Superpowered humans didn't want to get involved in the Mutant Registration Act and most mutants, specifically the X-Men, stayed the hell out of the Civil War. There were times in the comics where they tried to recruit the help of characters like Franchise/SpiderMan (who is also an outcast) but they didn't want to get mixed up in mutant affairs.

** The only Prequel Flashback series I know about is First Class, and that didn't focus too much on him. As said, their isn't a reason to. I think Claremont might of had an explanation when he was writing, so look it up.

** The same thing with most of the headstracting things about AVX, poor writing and CriticalResearchFailure.

** During Morrison's run, it was stated that they had no less than 3 multi-millionaires on staff (Emma Frost, Warren Worthington, and ?), and that Xavier himself was a billionaire. That gives them access to plenty of resources.

** Though the full story's probably pretty convoluted at this point (Franklin has to be one of the most continually retconned characters out there, at least when it comes to his powers), [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] says that he is indeed a mutant in the X-gene sense, but his parents' powers caused his mutant abilities to start manifesting earlier than puberty. The implication seems to be that Franklin being a mutant and Reed and Sue having superpowers is just a coincidence, though there might be no in-universe way to really be sure (the above idea that the cosmic radiation unlocked the X-gene in his parents does make sense - it's a theory I've had for a lot of the Marvel radiation-based metahumans).

* Question: Why are people so aggressive against mutants in general in the Marvel Universe? It seems suicidal. At least being aggressive against Muslims, Gays, or black people provides an easy target; [[BullyingADragon making a mutant or superhero angry could result in your head getting blown off.]] It's like attacking a firearms convention. I don't read comics, but I thought of this after seeing the new X-Men movie, where the US and Russian governments decide to fire on Xavier's team. When dealing with people with unknown, extremely deadly powers, wouldn't a sensible person try not to make enemies?
** Well, most mutants, pre M-Day, were easy targets, as beforehand there was millions of mutants with benign powers, as I and another person mentioned previously. The ones that are dangerous that get attacked are just idiots. Over in England, its common for Chavs to try and start fights with people they likely can't win against (including Cops or people way stronger than them) because, simply, they're idiots who think getting beaten up by a cop is a great way to look tough. As for the First Class moment, I guess it was a "OMG look at those people they [[EldritchAbomination break all laws of physics or logic that I have come to believe as fact]]! Kill them! [[KillItWithFire Burn them to death with fiery explosions!]]"-type reaction. At the same time, its also meant to be portrayed as negative behavior, and as such is portrayed as logic breaking as possible to show you that what they do is wrong.

* This is actually a question that bothers me a lot. Nearly every adaptation I've seen, as well as the 616 comics themselves, featured the X-Men as an established organization ''before'' the anti-mutant racism kicked in. This creates the very uncomfortable FridgeLogic that the reason people hate and fear mutants so much is ''because'' their first real exposure to mutants is Charles Xavier and Magneto's mutants trying to kill each other in American cities, destroying much property and endangering many lives on a constant basis. Couple that with the self-imposed segregation that mutants impose on themselves (even the X-Men have always lived apart from humanity, locked up in their secret mansion with holograms/psychic suggestions/what have you preventing people from locating them), then add in the fact that they labeled themselves homo ''superior'' and, ultimately, what this amounts to for the common man who doesn't know the full story is a mysterious race of individuals with destructive powers who arrogantly title themselves as humanity's betters, refuse to be a part of human society, and only ever come out of their hiding places to wreak destruction and havoc on human civilization. Is it really any wonder that people are so afraid?

** Strictly speaking, in terms of human-mutant relations, Charles Xavier used to be a really big deal, testifying before Congress and doing his part to be the "voice" for mutant rights to the world. Earlier in the series when they started bringing this metaphor out for the first time, you could compare how mutants were doing to how worse off they'd be if "Days of Future Past" came to be or in the ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' Cartoon series 2-part ep "One Man's Worth", they showed that without Charles Xavier, the status quo would be an all-out war between humans and mutants. In that respect, you could appreciate Xavier's relevance in the human-mutant struggle.\\

** Er, no. How did, how did you get ''that'' from what I said? All House of M did was nearly start a war between ''machine''men and mutants. Had they still had high numbers, ComicBook/CivilWar, ComicBook/SecretInvasion, and Comicbook/DarkReign, would still of happened, which would still lead to moving to San Francisco and fighting Bastion, and the American President would still of given Cyclops a Medal and give mutants a better rep. In a sense you could say that had it not been for House of M Cyclops wouldn't have formed ComicBook/XForce and as such they would probably stand less of a chance, but at the same time, they would have had a larger cast to fight Bastion. In actuality, before House of M, they had made some progress to Mutants, they had their own subculture. Magneto was wrong, they didn't need to go to war, since they still haven't gone to war with humans and they're doing great. At no point would war be beneficial to either side, it never is.

** I agree that Secret Invasion might've still happened so would've Dark Reign but it would've happened in a very different way but with Civil War I believe it would've turned to a human-mutant war that would've nuke America. Also the reason why they went to San Fran and created Uptoia is because of M-Day case closed.

* As far as I know, Scott and Madelyne were still officaly married when Inferno happen and Madelyne died, but since then Scott has married Jean and she has died, so I was wondering what Scott and Madelyne marital status is, now that Maddie has returned from the dead?

* [[Characters/XMenVillains Apocalypse]] is easily one of the most powerful mutants in the world. In the ComicBook/AgeOfApocalypse future where Xavier died before he could form the X-Men, Apoc took over most of the world. He could very easily be a HeroKiller, so why is he so obsessed with working through his horsemen or the Clan Akkaba, i.e. people far less powerful than he and prone to defeat. With his powers, he could march onto the X-Mansion and CurbStompBattle the X-Men on their very best day. Plus he has shapeshifting powers, meaning he could sneak in as someone else or even just a new mutant like Xorn and then take them by surprise. Yet every time he's using his incredible powers, he's using them defensively. He seems to suffer from "[[OrcusOnHisThrone Dark Lord Syndrome]]" where he has to sit back and operate through other agents when he could do whatever he wanted 10 times faster by doing it himself. This was particularly blatant in the cartoon series when just defeating his horesemen was enough to "demoralize" Apoc in his first appearance, convincing him to run when he could have taken on the X-Men. Then in "Time Fugitives Part 1", the X-Men stop his plan and he gets so pissed that he grows to 800 feet tall and kills them off, then in Part 2, they stop his plan again just like before but instead of killing them, he flees. So why does he feel the need to hold back in every battle to keep from killing the X-Men off?

** No it wouldn't, it was still a war between Tony and Steve. There was mutants on both sides, all that would be different would be different is the amount involved. And no, they wouldn't of 'Nuked America', because the leader of the anti-reg side IS F**K'N CAPTAIN AMERICA! Why would he even willingly nuke the country on his chest? And yes, they would still of moved to Utopia, they moved because of ComicBook/NormanOsborn. Comicbook/DarkReign would still of happened and as such Cyclops would of decided to form his own country to sustain the Mutant population away from it. All House of M did was decrease their numbers, the Mutant Messiah may not have happened and they wouldn't of had the X-Mansion destroyed, but that was only one reason they moved. They also moved because the Super Registration Act would of forced them to move following the Fifty State Initiative. Not much would be different other than the number of mutants. Not everything has to result in a human-mutant war. Wars don't break out so easily. Remember, Civil War was a war between super humans and ''other'' superhumans. Regular humans weren't involved unless they had a reason to be. Mutants, as said, were involved on both sides, and, if M-Day didn't happen, the only difference would be bigger numbers involved on either side, the outcome would still be pretty much the same, one final battle which ends with Steve surrendering and getting shot for not being a nazi. That would lead to the 50 State init. which would lead to the X-Men finding a new home in San Fran, and lead to Secret Invasion, which would lead to Dark Reign, which would lead to Utopia. The only real difference would be Cyclops wouldn't have to lead them like an army and instead like a group of heroes.

** No, but they live and let live, which is what's meant by coexisting peacefully. Even then, that's only if you believe mutants will replace humanity, which is repeatedly said as not the case. Only the extremists on either side think that, its specifically said by Xavier that mutants are just a new group of humanity trying to find their place in the world, namely, as heroes who should be treated equally. Freedom Force is a good example as they're mutants who supported registration, they're former villains, but as Freedom Force they were like the Pro side would be later. I know that's what you meant, but that's exactly the reason ''why'' they don't get involved is because regardless of when, mutants don't effect them, and after M-Day the only ones truly effected by it were mutants, some heroes who retained memories of it were a little messed up, but not nearly as badly as the mutants. Civil War and the resulting storylines had, and I will repeat this again and I hope you actually get this, NOTHING to do with M-Day and wouldn't of been effected, at least significantly to the point of influencing storylines. Without M-Day, CIVIL WAR AND FOLLOWING STORYLINES WOULD BE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME! Because, while by your logic it would have changed to mutants vs humans, the storyline wasn't focused on the mutants, and the writers wouldn't feature them, since they wanted the Pro side to be correct, despite the Mutant equivalent being presented as wrong. At any rate, the only evidence you can actually say is that you personally are sure most were against it. That doesn't mean they were, just you think they were. Considering heroes like Iron Man and Spidey were for the act (At least originally) despite it being clearly wrong, its not a stretch to assume mutants, like other heroes, would have been split. And M-Day was not the ONLY reason they were neutral, that was ONE of the reasons, some mutants regarded it as a humans' problem, and not there's. Just because you think most mutants were against it, does not mean they would be, it was a split between every superhero. Even if by logic they should be against it, they would have been Derailed to be for it because that's what the writers wanted. Yes, by simple logic the majority of mutants wouldn't be significantly dangerous, whenever it showed mutants who aren't members of any team they're usually just blue haired or green skinned, mutants usually only have one ability or change, unless they're lucky, and as such are more likely harmless. Remember, most of the actual X-Men and their villains have simple powers. Wings, big feet, at the time weak telekinesis and eye beams, jump high, power over luck, speed, extra fat, and teleportation. Those were the powers of most of the mutants that were shown in the early comics. Look at the list of super powers on the wiki, pick one at random, now imagine only having that one power. What is the chance its something good? A weak power is more likely to develop than either a strong or even remotely useful power, and as such a mutant is more likely to have a weak power. Plus, even then, thats if they even GET a super power and not a physical change which is more likely to happen. Mutants are more likely to be weak. Also, another way to think about that, if only 16 million mutants existed before M-Day, that means less than a million of them had something good, since there's less than a ''thousand'' useful powers. Two mutants having the same power is rare, so that doesn't affect it. It doesn't take a genius to realize that simple probability means most mutants will be relatively normal with only a small difference, such as horns or wings or different hair colours. Astonishing X-Men had a page which showed a long list of mutants with different powers, find one mutant with a power you think would be useful as a super hero. That is the kind your average mutant would have. And even if most mutants could do serious damage if they wanted to, were any of these mutants involved in anything big before M-Day? No, so ''why'' would they get involved in anything afterwords. WWH wasn't connected to M-Day, it was just the reason Hulk didn't beat Xavier to a pulp, the only difference it would have had was Hulk would have had to smash a few heads and would have taken Xavier, it wouldn't of effected the storyline that much to change its ending, which is what I'm trying to say. M-Day was its own storyline, and most of the ones it effected, literally 90 percent of those effected, had never been featured beforehand in a comic as they were just civilian mutants, not heroes, and as such not effected by the storylines since they FOCUSED ON THE HEROES. Lastly, yes, Norman is a bad guy, of course he'd be anti mutant, it wouldn't be surprising if he called Luke Cage the N-word and made insulting remarks about Northstar's sexuality. Its a rule about Complete Monsters to be anti-everything. Norman is a Sociopath, as such he's egotistical, which means he sees everything about himself as better than everyone else, so those with different features, he would see as inferior. Thats why some serial killers without any real reason to kill other than a sociopathic want to kill will target people of a certain type, because they decided they dislike people of those kind. Lastly, No, Utopia isn't the best attempt at Xavier's dream, but its a start, if M-Day had never happened, it wouldn't of been a big deal, just another foreign base they'd stay in until they decide to move back to the mansion, but in the Post M-Day world it is in, its a big step as he's united every mutant in the world, [[StatusQuoIsGod until they decide to move back to the mansion]]. So, to conclude, Equality is the same as live and let live, which is what mutants need. Mutants are not necessarily going to replace humanity. Decimation was but one of the reasons for mutants to stay out of it, and the biggest reason was so people wouldn't notice the similarities between this and the Mutant Registration act. Had they been involved, nothing would be different because Joey Que wanted the Pro side to win and the focus was on [[HeterosexualLifePartners Steve and Tony]] having a [[HoYay divorce]]. And if they did, characters would have been written to be split Freedom Force were former villains, and were still an example of not all mutants being against the acts. The point about super heroes not being involved in mutants problems was my point all along, just looking at it from the opposite side. As powers are randomly selected, most mutants would be relatively normal in comparison to the X-Men. If not, they were still never involved in anything beforehand and as such wouldn't be noteworthy in the storylines. M-Day may be at least somewhat connected to those storylines, but not enough to significantly change the plot or outcome. Norman is a villain and as such racist. Utopia is just another base for them to stay in until they go back to the mansion, but is a step from M-Day since they're now united, but wouldn't need to be united had it not happen in the first place. And Yes, you may not mean to be annoying, but the fact every time I explain a point you don't seem to get it or you disagree with it, and you can't stop asking questions, to the point its getting annoying to keep answering them. Yes, I get you don't mean to, but it would help if you used more grammar instead of long sentences. Now, can someone take over because I'm getting tired of constantly answering every question.

Yes, you keep telling me they had something to do with it, but I keep telling you it didn't. Civil War would be the same because that's what the writers wanted, yes, some disagreed about who was right, but from the beginning, the childhood raping Quesada still said 'Pro side are right, anti are wrong, and keep the mutants out of it, X-Men have been having recycled versions of this story for years saying the opposite. M-Day was a reason, but the biggest reason was that Mutant Registration has for years been depicted as wrong, when they wanted SRA to be right. That is the reason the writers didn't want the X-Men involved, and used M-Day as an excuse plotwise. Yes, It was seen by Cyclops as a humans problem, because, if I remember, he referred to Genosha and how humanity didn't do shit about that being destroyed, despite more people dying then than the Incident to spark Civil War. There were multiple reasons. As for derailment, yeah, they would have, same as everyone else who supported the act were derailed into, what makes you think mutants would be different? As such, it would still be a split. Even if they were involved and all for one side, there was superheroes on both sides as well, so it would still be an even split. Marvel wanted an even number on each side, and they wouldn't let a thing like too many mutants get in the way. Secret Invasion was focusing on the heroes fighting the skrulls, not the civilians, and as such, if M-Day didn't happen only the super hero mutants like the X-Men would be involved, the civilian ones would stay out of the way. WWH Was about Hulk's revenge, if M-Day didn't happen, the only difference it would have had storywise would be more mutants to fight and he wouldn't of had a reason to spare Xavier. Yes, plotwise that would be different, but not to the point it would shift. Dark Reign, again, was about Norman taking control and everything going to hell.

Hell, the original five when originally presented weren't exactly the cream of the crop. Cyclops could barely break a thing with his beams, Iceman could throw snowballs, Angel could fly, Beast could knock a few heads together but that was it, and Jean could barely lift a brick. The second group, only two at the time were fear worthy (Storm and Sunfire), and collectively, only 10 percent of the X-Men are actually dangerous to a large degree. Remember, their powers are designed with survival in mind, what's more likely to develop, green skin that provides minor protection, or the ability to control fire? The more powerful or dangerous the power, the more complex it would need to be, and getting a complex mutation is unlikely. As I've said now for at least four times, PROBABILITY LAWS DICTATE MUTANTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE LAME AND OR RELATIVELY NORMAL, AND AS SUCH SHOULDN'T BE FEARED TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE! There, I've explained why mutants are more likely to be weak, can you please just think it through? Yeah, even if their power is useful, it doesn't mean they're dangerous. Six arms is useful, but in most situations they're not exactly dangerous to the extent they're treated. I thank you for agreeing with some points, but you need to understand that even if Mutants hadn't been decimated, the following unconnected storylines wouldn't of been effected because, as I said, they weren't connected to it, and as such unaffected to the degree you seem to think. Civil War would have stayed the way it did because that's how it was intended, same with the other big crossovers. Yes, with the logic you're using it should have been different, but Civil War WASN'T THE MUTANTS WAR, IT WAS STEVE'S AND TONY'S.

** It's (usually) not a Holodeck-esque virtual simulation, but literal, physical traps and such. You die "for real" in the Danger Room because it ''is'' for real.

** That would probably have to be because he ''doesn't work with Magneto''. Juggernaut on the Brotherhood is one of the comic examples mentioned under CommonKnowledge; everyone ''thinks'' it, but it's never actually happened. The only times it's happened have been in some of the animated series (namely WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution and WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen) and in ComicBook/UltimateXMen, and in all those situations it's because their version of Juggernaut is a mutant, and not just a magically powered individual.

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