History Headscratchers / Wishmaster

9th Apr '18 10:07:56 AM ApexExecutive
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** Okay, yeah.. Maybe avoiding the "purposely bringing harm to anyone" part but other than that, you have to admit there's not much that can go wrong here. Unless, the Djinn gets so impatient of being trolled by a human that he starts stealing identities working his way up to powerful people until he can lock the wisher up in a max secure prison until the prophesy is fulfilled... Causing all out wars until then... sigh

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** Okay, yeah.. Maybe avoiding the "purposely bringing harm to anyone" part but other than that, you have to admit there's not much that can go wrong here. Unless, the Djinn gets so impatient of being trolled by a human that he starts stealing identities working his way up to powerful people until he can lock the wisher up in a max secure prison until the prophesy prophecy is fulfilled... Causing all out wars until then... sigh
9th Apr '18 10:06:11 AM ApexExecutive
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** Everyone on Earth is now an invincible statue, frozen forever in a state not unlike death. "You told me not to harm anyone. Now they are incapable of being harmed by anything. Now about those other two wishes...."

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** Everyone on Earth is now an invincible statue, frozen forever in a state not unlike death. "You told me not to harm anyone. Now they are incapable of being harmed by anything. Now about those other two wishes....""
** Okay, yeah.. Maybe avoiding the "purposely bringing harm to anyone" part but other than that, you have to admit there's not much that can go wrong here. Unless, the Djinn gets so impatient of being trolled by a human that he starts stealing identities working his way up to powerful people until he can lock the wisher up in a max secure prison until the prophesy is fulfilled... Causing all out wars until then... sigh
7th Apr '18 3:26:44 PM twingle93
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* "I wish that you're unable to purposely bring harm to anyone nor grant any wish other than this one and my next two wishes UNTIL my third and final wish, which you may only be allowed to grant ONLY after I say 'Djinn, I'm ready to grant my last and final wish from you'" and now I not only saved the world but if I play my cards (words) right, I have an extra wish with no need to use the third wish. CHECKMATE

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* "I wish that you're unable to purposely bring harm to anyone nor grant any wish other than this one and my next two wishes UNTIL my third and final wish, which you may only be allowed to grant ONLY after I say 'Djinn, I'm ready to grant my last and final wish from you'" and now I not only saved the world but if I play my cards (words) right, I have an extra wish with no need to use the third wish. CHECKMATECHECKMATE
** Everyone on Earth is now an invincible statue, frozen forever in a state not unlike death. "You told me not to harm anyone. Now they are incapable of being harmed by anything. Now about those other two wishes...."
6th Apr '18 1:45:11 PM ApexExecutive
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----* "I wish that you're unable to purposely bring harm to anyone nor grant any wish other than this one and my next two wishes UNTIL my third and final wish, which you may only be allowed to grant ONLY after I say 'Djinn, I'm ready to grant my last and final wish from you'" and now I not only saved the world but if I play my cards (words) right, I have an extra wish with no need to use the third wish. CHECKMATE
22nd Mar '18 3:17:14 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* I'm getting the vibe a lot of people that posted here didn't see the movie and just "want to be that guy" to utterly defeat the Djinn. Here's what you don't get if you don't watch the movie: At the start the Djinn is imprisoned before he can grant his third wish to a seemingly babilonian or egipcian-like king who had already had two wishes granted, among them "to see things never seen before" thus enabling the Djinn to graphically gore the court before his eyes in pretty twisted ways. That's how the Djinn is imprisoned in the Opal and grafted into a statue OUTSIDE OF VIEW. The statue is eventually unearthed (implying the kingdom was wiped off the earth) and shipped to a museum. During unloading of the box containing the statue, it is broken and the opal released. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but the opal comes to be nearby a dying person, who wishes not to die, enabling the Djinn to use his body as a host but preventing more wishes from being granted. The plot of the movie resolves, but just as a general idea of how twisted the words can get, at one point in th emovie a guard prevents the Djinn from entering a room by just saying he should leave; but then commits the "mistake" of uttering something along the lines of "you could enter, but only by going through me, and I'd like to see that" and thus the Djinn turns around, turns the guard into a panel of glass and literally walks THROUGH him, killing him in the process. In order to defeat the Djinn the protagonist luckily remembers the name of the crane operator that unloaded the statue (she was related to the museum in some way) and wishes that operator to not have been drunk that day, allowing him to do his job properly so the statue was never broken. This wish was a last resort desperate move on the part of the protagonist; it ultimately resovles favorably because the script says so; but there really was no way of knowing if it would have worked like it did; so any and all statements on the sense of defeating the Djinn at its own game are pretty much deluded, or rather, wishful thinking ;) The Djinn proves during the first movie that he's one hell of a legalese exploiter to his own convenience and I seriously doubt any human could outwit an eternal demon at lawyering.

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** Wouldn't work; the second film states that they can't grant any wish that would make freeing the Djinn race impossible and this qualifies.
* I'm getting the vibe a lot of people that posted here didn't see the movie and just "want to be that guy" to utterly defeat the Djinn. Here's what you don't get if you don't watch the movie: At the start the Djinn is imprisoned before he can grant his third wish to a seemingly babilonian or egipcian-like king who had already had two wishes granted, among them "to see things never seen before" thus enabling the Djinn to graphically gore the court before his eyes in pretty twisted ways. That's how the Djinn is imprisoned in the Opal and grafted into a statue OUTSIDE OF VIEW. The statue is eventually unearthed (implying the kingdom was wiped off the earth) and shipped to a museum. During unloading of the box containing the statue, it is broken and the opal released. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but the opal comes to be nearby a dying person, who wishes not to die, enabling the Djinn to use his body as a host but preventing more wishes from being granted. The plot of the movie resolves, but just as a general idea of how twisted the words can get, at one point in th emovie the movie a guard prevents the Djinn from entering a room by just saying he should leave; but then commits the "mistake" of uttering something along the lines of "you could enter, but only by going through me, and I'd like to see that" and thus the Djinn turns around, turns the guard into a panel of glass and literally walks THROUGH him, killing him in the process. In order to defeat the Djinn the protagonist luckily remembers the name of the crane operator that unloaded the statue (she was related to the museum in some way) and wishes that operator to not have been drunk that day, allowing him to do his job properly so the statue was never broken. This wish was a last resort desperate move on the part of the protagonist; it ultimately resovles favorably because the script says so; but there really was no way of knowing if it would have worked like it did; so any and all statements on the sense of defeating the Djinn at its own game are pretty much deluded, or rather, wishful thinking ;) The Djinn proves during the first movie that he's one hell of a legalese exploiter to his own convenience and I seriously doubt any human could outwit an eternal demon at lawyering.


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** Plus the random angels only start showing up in 3 & 4.


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** There's a reason why the 3rd and 4th films get a lot less love than the 1st and 2nd...


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** Or contorts himself. That's exactly what he did to a lawyer in the second film when his client wished for him to go f*ck himself.
22nd Mar '18 3:06:28 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** Wishing for omnipotence is probably another one that simply cannot be granted. The existence of a creator god in the franchise's 'Verse has been established and they created the Djinn (for some reason) and are presumably more powerful and one would assume the Djinn can't simply make a human outdo them.


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*** Not really; Alex's wish was that the worker wasn't drinking. The Djinn can grant that and he simply wasn't drinking so now we're in a version of reality where he was sober. The Djinn doesn't have to physically be there for that to have happened so the usual time paradox issues don't apply.
** Once again this is likely just a wish he can't grant. He can't break fundamental metaphysical rules of the universe so a wish that is a paradox in itself probably just doesn't work.
22nd Mar '18 2:43:17 AM GriffinPilgrim
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*** The film is running on a faulty understanding of Christian morality. She repents of her sins so according to most Christian denominations Jesus will forgive her for her sins but the film's writers seem to think that murder is unforgivable so she had to undo that in order to be forgiven. In fact Christian dogma holds that pretty much ''any'' sin can be forgiven if the sinner is truly contrite. I mean I'm not Christian myself so I may be wrong on that but that's always what I've been told.

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*** The film is running on a faulty understanding of Christian morality. She repents of her sins so according to most Christian denominations Jesus will forgive her for her sins all of them but the film's writers seem to think that murder is unforgivable so she had to undo that in order to be forgiven. In fact Christian dogma holds that pretty much ''any'' sin can be forgiven if the sinner is truly contrite. I mean I'm not Christian myself so I may be wrong on that but that's always what I've been told.
22nd Mar '18 2:42:31 AM GriffinPilgrim
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*** The film is running on a faulty understanding of Christian morality. She repents of her sins so according to most Christian denominations Jesus will forgive her for her sins but the film's writers seem to think that murder is unforgivable so she had to undo that in order to be forgiven. In fact Christian dogma holds that pretty much ''any'' sin can be forgiven if the sinner is truly contrite. I mean I'm not Christian myself so I may be wrong on that but that's always what I've been told.
22nd Mar '18 2:16:01 AM GriffinPilgrim
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*** Plus the Djinn is not that patient and will create chaos around them and torture those they love until they make the third wish.
22nd Mar '18 1:59:33 AM GriffinPilgrim
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*** Also that might fall under the "impossible to grant" territory. In the second film a wish for the Djinn to go away forever doesn't work as the prophecy of their being freed needs to be possible to fulfil.
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