History Headscratchers / WatershipDown

18th Nov '16 10:46:39 PM LBHills
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* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Keharr" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an Owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?

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* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Keharr" "Kehaar," Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an Owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?



** When Woundwart gathers rabbits for the assault on Watership Down, he mentions taking along some promising young bucks that aren't quite old enough to be in the Owsla. Bluebell may have been one of those to Holly, or it may have just been as you said.
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** In the book it is Hazel who specifically remembers Bluebell as one of the rabbits who was with with Holly when he tried to arrest Bigwig. His lack of portrayal as an owsla member after that could be an oversight by the author.

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** When Woundwart Woundwort gathers rabbits for the assault on Watership Down, he mentions taking along some promising young bucks that aren't quite old enough to be in the Owsla. Bluebell may have been one of those to Holly, or it may have just been as you said.
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** In the book it is Hazel who specifically remembers Bluebell as one of the rabbits who was with with Holly when he tried to arrest Bigwig. His lack of portrayal as an owsla Owsla member after that could be an oversight by the author.author.
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6th Sep '16 1:48:39 PM StFan
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* Didn't the film adaptation do well? You'd think that someone would say "You know ''WatershipDown'' did really well, lets make another animated film for adults." Thus ending the AnimationAgeGhetto.
** They followed it up by making ''ThePlagueDogs'', which everybody thought was too depressing.

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* Didn't the film adaptation do well? You'd think that someone would say "You know ''WatershipDown'' ''Literature/WatershipDown'' did really well, lets make another animated film for adults." Thus ending the AnimationAgeGhetto.
** They followed it up by making ''ThePlagueDogs'', ''Literature/ThePlagueDogs'', which everybody thought was too depressing.
21st Aug '16 10:11:21 PM xmac
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** In the book it is Hazel who specifically remembers Bluebell as one of the rabbits who was with with Holly when he tried to arrest Bigwig. His lack of portrayal as an owsla member after that could be an oversight by the author.
22nd Jul '16 10:51:55 AM Bergamot
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** Tab is a farmcat, and so is less a pet than a pest-control expert. Female farmcats are often thought to be better hunters (possibly with a grain of truth, since female cats would be providing for a litter and also teaching that litter to hunt). Or it could be on the assumption that audiences might think "Tab" was short for "Tabitha," or be more used to the notion that cat = feminine. Or, as the troper above observed, not ''every'' character can be a dude.



* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Kehar" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?

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* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Kehar" "Keharr" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an owsla Owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?Bigwig?
** The book never says that Bluebell was amongst the rabbits who came with Holly to arrest Bigwig. Holly says that he rounded up Bluebell and another rabbit in the woods after their escape from Sandleford, and that seems to be where they first met.
11th Jun '16 12:02:01 PM Smoko
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** When Woundwart gathers rabbits for the assault on Watership Down, he mentions taking along some promising young bucks that aren't quite old enough to be in the Owsla. Bluebell may have been one of those to Holly, or it may have just been as you said.
26th Apr '16 2:13:02 PM GothicProphet
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* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Kehar" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?

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* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Kehar" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?Bigwig?
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4th Feb '16 4:35:13 PM xmac
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*** This seems a reasonable assumption, as a later story does mention Rabscuttle getting a dream from Frith.

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*** This seems a reasonable assumption, as a later story does mention Rabscuttle getting a dream from Frith.Frith.
* Is Bluebell a member of the Sandleford Owsla? It would appear so because he was there to assist Holly in arresting Bigwig. However, at the beginning of the chapter "Kehar" Bigwig and Silver are stated to be very pleased with themselves for being the only survivors of the Sandleford Owsla besides Holly. He never acts like an owsla rabbit. Is it possible that he was just a random rabbit that Holly grabbed on his way to get Bigwig?
19th Dec '15 9:06:30 PM margdean56
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* Am I the only one who never saw Campion as a WorthyOpponent to the Watership rabbits and wished that he would die of the white blindness or something suitably horrible along with Woundwort and the others? He does reform Efrafa in the ending, but prior to that I didn't see any indication that he was cut from a different moral cloth than Woundwort and the others - basically, I didn't see what Hazel and Bigwig seemed to see in him.
** Campion was a classic CardCarryingVillain - he believed in the Efrafan system, but thought Woundwort took it '''''way''''' too far and tied too much of his own greed for power into it. Hazel was always a very farsighted rabbit, and probably saw in Campion someone that could be reasoned with - compared with Woundwort, Campion was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure (and Woundwort, had he listened to him, probably would have won the battle). He willingly parlayed with the Watership rabbits as equals after Efrafa lost the war. Efrafa ''was'' badly overcrowded, the Watership rabbits just wanted to exist in peace, so Hazel and Campion settled on a solution that benefited everyone.
*** I'll admit that Campion proved to be reasonable in the end, but I'm still not sure what would lead to Hazel or Bigwig or the reader drawing this conclusion before the actual parlay occurred.
* So, in the book, Tab the Cat is referred to as male... but in the movie it sounds like and is refererd to as female. So just what gender is it? Did they just changed its gender because they wanted a female antagonist or something?

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* Am I the only one who never saw Campion as a WorthyOpponent to the Watership rabbits and wished that he would die of the white blindness or something suitably horrible along with Woundwort and the others? He does reform Efrafa in the ending, but prior to that I didn't see any indication that he was cut from a different moral cloth than Woundwort and the others - -- basically, I didn't see what Hazel and Bigwig seemed to see in him.
** Campion was a classic CardCarryingVillain - -- he believed in the Efrafan system, but thought Woundwort took it '''''way''''' too far and tied too much of his own greed for power into it. Hazel was always a very farsighted rabbit, and probably saw in Campion someone that could be reasoned with - -- compared with Woundwort, Campion was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure (and Woundwort, had he listened to him, probably would have won the battle). He willingly parlayed parleyed with the Watership rabbits as equals after Efrafa lost the war. Efrafa ''was'' badly overcrowded, the Watership rabbits just wanted to exist in peace, so Hazel and Campion settled on a solution that benefited everyone.
*** I'll admit that Campion proved to be reasonable in the end, but I'm still not sure what would lead to Hazel or Bigwig or the reader drawing this conclusion before the actual parlay parley occurred.
* So, in the book, Tab the Cat is referred to as male... but in the movie it sounds like and is refererd referred to as female. So just what gender is it? Did they just changed its gender because they wanted a female antagonist or something?



* What is Rabscuttle's gift that he got from Frith in "Tale of El-ahrairah and the black rabbit of Inlé"?

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* What is Rabscuttle's gift that he got from Frith in "Tale of El-ahrairah and the black rabbit Black Rabbit of Inlé"?
9th May '15 8:10:21 AM Smoko
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** Given that Hazel's relationship with Fiver is equivalent to that between El-ahrairah and Rabscuttle, maybe prophetic visions?

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** Given that Hazel's relationship with Fiver is equivalent to that between El-ahrairah and Rabscuttle, maybe prophetic visions?visions?
*** This seems a reasonable assumption, as a later story does mention Rabscuttle getting a dream from Frith.
3rd Jan '15 4:45:18 PM ikissfrogs
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* What is Rabscuttle's gift that he got from Frith in "Tale of El-ahrairah and the black rabbit of Inlé"?

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* What is Rabscuttle's gift that he got from Frith in "Tale of El-ahrairah and the black rabbit of Inlé"?Inlé"?
** Given that Hazel's relationship with Fiver is equivalent to that between El-ahrairah and Rabscuttle, maybe prophetic visions?
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