History Headscratchers / Watchmen

18th Apr '16 10:58:44 AM GrigorII
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* This can be easily compared with a real life example. Once upon a time, a villain blowing up a building (or a hero preventing the villain from doing so) was a classic in super hero fiction. Planes crashing against buildings were also very fun to see. Destroying the Twin Towers, a famous landmark of New York, was also a source of cheap emotions. After 9/11, none of that is fun anymore. Just have a look at HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks, and the countless examples of cases related to 9/11 prove the point.

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* This can be easily compared with a real life example. Once upon a time, a villain blowing up a building (or a hero preventing the villain from doing so) was a classic in super hero fiction. Planes crashing against buildings were also very fun to see. Destroying the Twin Towers, a famous landmark of New York, was also a source of cheap emotions. After 9/11, none of that is fun anymore. Just have a look at HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks, [[HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks]], and the countless examples of cases related to 9/11 prove the point.
10th Apr '16 4:37:01 PM ading
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** "Everything is pre-ordained, even my responses". Dr. Manhattan's actions are entirely based on what he already knew he was going to do; that's why he sometimes seems to not understand things that he actually does.
8th Apr '16 3:16:29 PM CountDorku
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** Also remember that Rorschach has suffered ''several'' massive traumas since he wrote that piece defending Truman's actions, to the point where he doesn't even answer to his given name. He may not see it as hypocrisy because [[ThatManIsDead he didn't write that note - Kovacs did.]]
6th Apr '16 7:50:42 AM DoctorNemesis
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** They probably couldn't riot at any time, at least not without it being quickly put down by the guards. Waiting for the injured man to succumb to his injuries gave everyone time to spread the word, plan, prepare and get ready, so that they could all riot ''en mass'' at the same time and thus stand a better chance of overwhelming the guards. The injured man was, in many ways, probably just an excuse for them to do something they'd all been wanting to do for a while by that point.
6th Apr '16 7:32:36 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Which is fine for you, but we're talking about Alan Moore, and the available evidence suggests that Alan Moore very much ''isn't''.
6th Apr '16 7:28:57 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** RE: the riots, I wouldn't say they're exactly ''handling'' things. Dr. Manhattan basically ends the Washington riot by teleporting everyone miles away, and Nite Owl / the Comedian are basically flying around in a large plane shooting at people and tear-gassing them, it looks like they're a bit frazzled and over-stretched, and for what we see of things for all we know Rorschach only managed to break a few arms before having to run and hide before a mob completely tore him to shreds. And it's implied that it's not exactly working ''that'' well by the fact that people are still throwing things and shouting abuse at them, and by the fact that the first thing the government does once everything's quietened down a bit is go "Okay everyone, you win," and ban superheroes to get the police back to work.
6th Apr '16 7:14:20 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect.

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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect. It's also made clear that there ''were'' people around pointing out that relying on Dr. Manhattan alone was a terrible idea (one of in-verse texts is written by one), but they were most likely ignored because everyone in charge had fooled themselves into thinking that it'll be okay, Dr. Manhattan's not going anywhere.
6th Apr '16 7:10:31 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect.
18th Mar '16 5:26:57 AM AlexDKZ
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*** Yeah, just like Manhattan "could have turned the gun into steam, the bullets into mercury, the bottle into goddamn snowflakes" and yet did not. The problem is precisely that, the government psychologists are well aware that Manhattan's humanity is slowly being eroded, and that he may not care enough to bother stopping all the nukes.
6th Jan '16 8:01:56 AM crazysamaritan
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* In the film, why does Nixon give the order to "Start fuelling the bombers"? At this point in the war, both sides would be using ICBMs rather than bombers to launch their nuclear attacks. Reasoning that our universe =/= the Watchmen universe makes no sense either since, if anything, ICBM technology would have been even further developed due to the existance of Dr Manhattan.
** Because the USA still has a "nuclear triad": Land-based ICBMs, SLBMS, and manned bombers. The USA only stopped using bombers after the START agreement in 1991, and still stockpiles gravity bombs for bombing missions. Up until 1991, Strategic Air Command kept nuclear armed B52s on standby 24/7. What Nixon wants is to ready the bomber fleet so that they can take off instantly if the balloon goes up, and thus be away from US and European soil and on their way to Russia once the ICBMs are in the air. Second-strike capability. It's perfectly historical, and remains part of US and Russian nuclear doctrine to this day.

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* In the film, why does Nixon give the order to "Start fuelling the bombers"? At this point in the war, both sides would be using ICBMs [=ICBMs=] rather than bombers to launch their nuclear attacks. Reasoning that our universe =/= the Watchmen universe makes no sense either since, if anything, ICBM technology would have been even further developed due to the existance of Dr Manhattan.
** Because the USA still has a "nuclear triad": Land-based ICBMs, [=ICBMs=], SLBMS, and manned bombers. The USA only stopped using bombers after the START agreement in 1991, and still stockpiles gravity bombs for bombing missions. Up until 1991, Strategic Air Command kept nuclear armed B52s on standby 24/7. What Nixon wants is to ready the bomber fleet so that they can take off instantly if the balloon goes up, and thus be away from US and European soil and on their way to Russia once the ICBMs [=ICBMs=] are in the air. Second-strike capability. It's perfectly historical, and remains part of US and Russian nuclear doctrine to this day.
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