History Headscratchers / Watchmen

27th Nov '17 10:05:29 AM GrigorII
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* Remember that Watchmen is a {{Deconstruction}} of the superhero genre. The policy strike is more probably along the lines of "How would the police react to super heroes?", as a general thing, rather than "How would the police react to ''those specific'' super heroes?"
27th Nov '17 9:58:19 AM GrigorII
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*** Remember also that Manhattan ''knew'' that JFK would be killed, but '''did not do anything''', because he was not "meant" to do anything. History is already written and YouCantFightFate; his only difference is that he can see the script in advance. Same here. What if you ask him to stop the upcoming bombs, but he doesn't because blah blah fate blah blah destiny?
26th Nov '17 9:42:33 PM Ansongc2000
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** I too found it odd that while in the comics, Rorschach killing was the key distinction between his early and late years, whereas in the movie even Laurie and Dan kill thugs with smiles during their night out, but too be fair that was a situation of self-defense, and the supervillians in both versions are either not very physical or not very smart, and tend to stay in jail when sent there. In the early days, after the heroes brutalized and killed their mooks, the supervillians would probably just surrender or be easily defeated, and were worth more alive for interogation and wouldn't be expected back on the streets for at least quite some time.
8th Jul '17 5:55:33 PM nombretomado
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*** Do keep in mind that the film invented the whole sequence about Ozymandias creating generators to make infinite free energy out of nothing (somehow) using Dr. Manhattan-based technology. I don't remember that in the book at all -- the book just said that Dr. Manhattan was able to manufacture enough lithium cells by magic to make cheap electric cars practicable. He's made a very efficient * battery* , in other words, but he hasn't invented an * energy source* . Electric cars still use up petroleum -- they use it up more efficiently, through the power grid, but you still have to burn something to get the energy. And look up "Jevons' Paradox" on TheOtherWiki; increased efficiency is never really a solution to an energy crisis. Unless we actually replace petroleum as a source of power, a more efficient use of petroleum will just lead us to * use more petroleum* . Flying cars are incredibly wasteful compared to ground-based transportation when it comes to energy consumption, but once the price of oil drops enough what was incredibly wasteful just becomes a relatively common luxury. The rate of consumption just keeps going up and up; consumer demand is an endlessly voracious black hole and technology can't solve that. Only legal regulation and social change can, and that's Mr. Amoral World Conqueror Ozymandias' department, not Dr. Manhattan's.

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*** Do keep in mind that the film invented the whole sequence about Ozymandias creating generators to make infinite free energy out of nothing (somehow) using Dr. Manhattan-based technology. I don't remember that in the book at all -- the book just said that Dr. Manhattan was able to manufacture enough lithium cells by magic to make cheap electric cars practicable. He's made a very efficient * battery* , in other words, but he hasn't invented an * energy source* . Electric cars still use up petroleum -- they use it up more efficiently, through the power grid, but you still have to burn something to get the energy. And look up "Jevons' Paradox" on TheOtherWiki; Wiki/TheOtherWiki; increased efficiency is never really a solution to an energy crisis. Unless we actually replace petroleum as a source of power, a more efficient use of petroleum will just lead us to * use more petroleum* . Flying cars are incredibly wasteful compared to ground-based transportation when it comes to energy consumption, but once the price of oil drops enough what was incredibly wasteful just becomes a relatively common luxury. The rate of consumption just keeps going up and up; consumer demand is an endlessly voracious black hole and technology can't solve that. Only legal regulation and social change can, and that's Mr. Amoral World Conqueror Ozymandias' department, not Dr. Manhattan's.
16th Jun '17 7:57:53 PM neander7hal
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**** The Summer of Sam definitely happened in-universe - the editor namedrops Son of Sam when the New Frontiersman first gets the journal.
4th Jun '17 5:34:56 PM nombretomado
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** The answer is fairly simple: The kind of person who kills people for ideological reasons is usually pretentious, and a pretentious person would prefer to use the more formal "lesbian." That's why Bible-inspired crazies prefer the King James translation. (This is not intended to be insulting towards the religious people here at TVtropes who aren't crazy, so please, no flame war.)

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** The answer is fairly simple: The kind of person who kills people for ideological reasons is usually pretentious, and a pretentious person would prefer to use the more formal "lesbian." That's why Bible-inspired crazies prefer the King James translation. (This is not intended to be insulting towards the religious people here at TVtropes Wiki/TVTropes who aren't crazy, so please, no flame war.)
14th May '17 4:59:55 AM andypoe
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** Mike's reach isn't long enough to cut Larry free. Larry's body is blocking the lock, and it would take too long to cut through the bars. Larry's body is going to get burned either way--and it is in the comic--and if Larry's dead, he won't be screaming while it's happening. You can see in the comic that Larry's body is pushed somewhat out of the way, but not completely, and Mike complains about the smell of Larry's burning flesh.
17th Apr '17 6:37:07 PM beatpole
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* Why didn't Rorschach already know the Comedian was Eddie Blake? Blake's identity seems to have been an open secret, most of the other crimebusters/watchmen clearly knew it; he's on a first name basis with Nite Owl II and Doctor Manhatten and both Silk Specteres as well as Viedt clearly know too. Many other people must also know. Blake fought openly as the Comedian in both WWII and Vietnam and is seen attending major diplomatic receptions and parties with people (politicians, functionaries, celebrities, etc.) while making no secret of his identity or covert activities. It's questionable if Blake's identity could even be considered a secret since everyone but Rorschach and the police detectives seem to already be aware of it.
24th Mar '17 2:38:08 PM SuperMagneto
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* Forgive me, this troper is new to Watchmen, and only saw the movie. Nite-Owl, Laurie, and Rorschach are violent and vicious when it comes to handling bad guys. Dr. Manhattan blew people up into pieces, and Comedian did some screwed up stuff in his life time. How are villains like Moloch the Mystic still alive? I'm surprised this guy lived to be an old man. These super heroes aren't the wisecracking, campy Adam West Batman type. These guys would break your bones if you screw with them.

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* Forgive me, this troper is new to Watchmen, and only saw the movie. Nite-Owl, Laurie, and Rorschach are violent and vicious when it comes to handling bad guys. Dr. Manhattan blew people up into pieces, and Comedian did some screwed up stuff in his life time. How are villains like Moloch the Mystic still alive? I'm surprised this guy lived to be an old man. These super heroes aren't the wisecracking, campy Adam West Batman type. These guys would break your bones if you screw with them.
24th Mar '17 2:37:06 PM SuperMagneto
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[[folder:Why didn't Dr. Manhattan save the baby?]]
* The pregnant woman was around 9 months. Why didn't he perform a c-section?
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