History Headscratchers / Watchmen

13th Aug '16 8:40:38 AM Chrispang
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** It's also an allusion to Albert Einstein- when he realised that heis work was going to kill million, he said "If I had known, I would have become a watchmaker instead." Jon wanted to be a watchmaker before heis father STOPPED HIM- and now he's the living manifestation of an atomic "god". Irony much?
** There's also the nuclear doomsday clock, which scientists used to show the threat lv of nuclear war actually happening. And the nukes blow at, you guessed it, twelve o'clock.
12th Aug '16 7:41:09 PM Chrispang
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* This troper further notes that the USSR isn't invincible- all Veidt needed to do was buy time. Lots of it. Enough for America to wake up from the ego disaster and for Soviet High Command (which must have been pushed to the brink harder and harder due to the American Dr. Manhattan Fiasco) to collapse under its own weight. Remember, the Soviets were already on their last strings. If America "wisens up", there's no more Dr. Manhattan, and suddenly their enemies don't want to murder or subjugate them all in a capitalist paradise any more since their magnum opus got destroyed by a monster from a parallel dimension, well... they might go the glasnot/Gorbachev path and just... fizzle out. Once the immediate extreme ego-induced danger i.e. America being delusionally aggressive due to Dr. Manhattan is removed, even temporarily by Squidy here, the USSR might very well fall apart under the socio-economic problems it was already filled with.
18th Apr '16 10:58:44 AM GrigorII
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* This can be easily compared with a real life example. Once upon a time, a villain blowing up a building (or a hero preventing the villain from doing so) was a classic in super hero fiction. Planes crashing against buildings were also very fun to see. Destroying the Twin Towers, a famous landmark of New York, was also a source of cheap emotions. After 9/11, none of that is fun anymore. Just have a look at HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks, and the countless examples of cases related to 9/11 prove the point.

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* This can be easily compared with a real life example. Once upon a time, a villain blowing up a building (or a hero preventing the villain from doing so) was a classic in super hero fiction. Planes crashing against buildings were also very fun to see. Destroying the Twin Towers, a famous landmark of New York, was also a source of cheap emotions. After 9/11, none of that is fun anymore. Just have a look at HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks, [[HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks HarsherInHindsight/ComicBooks]], and the countless examples of cases related to 9/11 prove the point.
10th Apr '16 4:37:01 PM ading
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** "Everything is pre-ordained, even my responses". Dr. Manhattan's actions are entirely based on what he already knew he was going to do; that's why he sometimes seems to not understand things that he actually does.
8th Apr '16 3:16:29 PM CountDorku
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** Also remember that Rorschach has suffered ''several'' massive traumas since he wrote that piece defending Truman's actions, to the point where he doesn't even answer to his given name. He may not see it as hypocrisy because [[ThatManIsDead he didn't write that note - Kovacs did.]]
6th Apr '16 7:50:42 AM DoctorNemesis
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** They probably couldn't riot at any time, at least not without it being quickly put down by the guards. Waiting for the injured man to succumb to his injuries gave everyone time to spread the word, plan, prepare and get ready, so that they could all riot ''en mass'' at the same time and thus stand a better chance of overwhelming the guards. The injured man was, in many ways, probably just an excuse for them to do something they'd all been wanting to do for a while by that point.
6th Apr '16 7:32:36 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Which is fine for you, but we're talking about Alan Moore, and the available evidence suggests that Alan Moore very much ''isn't''.
6th Apr '16 7:28:57 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** RE: the riots, I wouldn't say they're exactly ''handling'' things. Dr. Manhattan basically ends the Washington riot by teleporting everyone miles away, and Nite Owl / the Comedian are basically flying around in a large plane shooting at people and tear-gassing them, it looks like they're a bit frazzled and over-stretched, and for what we see of things for all we know Rorschach only managed to break a few arms before having to run and hide before a mob completely tore him to shreds. And it's implied that it's not exactly working ''that'' well by the fact that people are still throwing things and shouting abuse at them, and by the fact that the first thing the government does once everything's quietened down a bit is go "Okay everyone, you win," and ban superheroes to get the police back to work.
6th Apr '16 7:14:20 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect.

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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect. It's also made clear that there ''were'' people around pointing out that relying on Dr. Manhattan alone was a terrible idea (one of in-verse texts is written by one), but they were most likely ignored because everyone in charge had fooled themselves into thinking that it'll be okay, Dr. Manhattan's not going anywhere.
6th Apr '16 7:10:31 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** In ''our'' world, America has contingencies for everything -- because in ''our'' world, America doesn't have an omnipotent all-powerful Godlike being walking around on the [=DoD=] payroll, and ''needs'' those contingencies. When you can order God to basically solve your problems for you, contingencies suddenly seem a lot less important, particularly if you get more and more used to and reliant on having God around. It's made abundantly clear that in the world of ''Watchmen'', the American government has gotten very reckless and complacent because it had Dr. Manhattan walking around, and it comes back to bite them. Governments are staffed and run by people. People aren't perfect.
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