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** It should be noted that not every World Eater warband thinks the same, some such as the Bloodstalkers (who started as scouts and avoided the Battle of Skalathrax) prefer patience and ranged weapons and avoid being completely taken over by the Butcher's Nails (though they avoid shooting the heads to preserve the skulls). They're reasoning is that if you live longer, you can take more skulls.
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**It's implied in the Dark Imperium trilogy, the Emperor actually is beginning to stir and that he is becoming more powerful due to the sheer number of people worshipping him. In Godblight, he straight incinerates a portion of the Garden of Nurgle and wounds the Plague God himself.
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** There's the Battle of Ka'Mais where the Elder retaliate for the destruction of one of their Maiden Worlds which was destroyed in response to a raid on one of the Tau's Sept Worlds. In the end, it is revealed that the Dark Elder actually raided the Sept World.
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** Even after Magnus sided with Horus, he still avoided giving himself over to Chaos completely at first. It's only until the Siege of Terra where he's told he can be redeemed at the cost of condemning the entire XV Legion that he fully gives himself over to Chaos.
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* So, as you may or may not know, there was an incident where Tyranids were showing up in Imperial space behind their defensive lines, nobody knew how that happened... and THEN they realized that the Tyranids were coming up from under them. My question is this: Why did they not set up defensive lines on their vertical axis or at least checking in those directions? Yeah, the Imperium is stupid and dogmatic, but I don't really think "space is 3D and we should prepare for attacks from above or below the galactic plane" would go against any of their teachings. The alternative would probably be that they just didn't think of it, which, when you've been a galactic empire for tens of millennia and are at war with everyone else in the galaxy, is just stupid.
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* So, as you may or may not know, there was an incident where Tyranids were showing up in Imperial space behind their defensive lines, nobody knew how that happened... and THEN they realized that the Tyranids were coming up from under them. My question is this: Why did they not set up defensive lines on their vertical axis or at least checking in those directions? Yeah, the Imperium is stupid and dogmatic, but I don't really think "space is 3D and we should prepare for attacks from above or below the galactic plane" would go against any of their teachings. The alternative would probably be that they just didn't think of it, which, when you've been a galactic empire for tens of millennia and are at war with everyone else in the galaxy, is just stupid.
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* So, as you may or may not know, there was an incident where Tyranids were showing up in Imperial space behind their defensive lines, nobody knew how that happened... and THEN they realized that the Tyranids were coming up from under them. My question is this: Why did they not set up defensive lines on their vertical axis or at least checking in those directions? Yeah, the Imperium is stupid and dogmatic, but I don't really think "space is 3D and we should prepare for attacks from above or below the galactic plane" would go against any of their teachings. The alternative would probably be that they just didn't think of it, which, when you've been a galactic empire for tens of millennia and are at war with everyone else in the galaxy, is just stupid.
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* So, as you may or may not know, there was an incident where Tyranids were showing up in Imperial space behind their defensive lines, nobody knew how that happened... and THEN they realized that the Tyranids were coming up from under them. My question is this: Why did they not set up defensive lines on their vertical axis or at least checking in those directions? Yeah, the Imperium is stupid and dogmatic, but I don't really think "space is 3D and we should prepare for attacks from above or below the galactic plane" would go against any of their teachings. The alternative would probably be that they
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** Why waste money, reasources, and time on building nuclear weapons when you have bio-engineered viruses that can be deployed much cheaper and much more effectively. Plus, using nukes ineffectively could leave many things (albiet mutants, but still) crawling around in the sands, as opposed to the other forms of Exterminatus, which are more effective. Basicaly, what I'm saying is that 40,000+ years into the future, I kind of assumed they have much better ways of killing many things at once than nuclear weapons.
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** Why waste money, reasources, and time on building nuclear weapons when you have bio-engineered viruses that can be deployed much cheaper and much more effectively. Plus, using nukes ineffectively could leave many things (albiet (albeit mutants, but still) crawling around in the sands, as opposed to the other forms of Exterminatus, which are more effective. Basicaly, what I'm saying is that 40,000+ years into the future, I kind of assumed they have much better ways of killing many things at once than nuclear weapons.
** They do still have them - Corvus Corax apparently used them when he staged an uprising on his homeworld, the Chaos Space Marines used them in the 13th Black Crusade, and the Blood Angels themselves used them on the Tyranids when they attacked Baal. The Iron Warriors used them in the Drop Site Massacre, apparently that's how they misplaced Vulkan in the first place. They have uses, it's just with so many other kinds of firepower available they aren't a first-round choice.
** Parts of their removal seemed to be a prohibition on discussing them - the literature series has even the Primarchs wary of talking about those two brothers too much, and Rogal Dorn apparently had Malcador mind-wipe him. As for all the people who knew the details, well, the Crusade was bloody. Even right after they were removed, whatever support units were attached would have been rotated out and presumably chewed up in the next compliance actions, if they weren't destroyed alongside them. Whatever records ''might'' have remained on planets they brought into compliance are long gone after ten thousand years of ordered cover-ups that not only don't acknowledge them, but the other nine Legions and their Primarchs.
** Apparently Terra was pretty okay (and more or less like today's Earth, give or take a few billion people) up until things went sideways around the time Slaanesh was gestating. The Warp storms cut everyone off from one another, and as a result the people on Terra tore each other apart with usage of every sort of WMD. The result was the barren, scarred world that Terra is from then on. Apparently the Heresy just made things ''worse''.
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** On the other hand, Konrad Curze ''was'' killed by a "regular" callidus assassin, proving that a human is physically capable of killing a Primarch if the Primarch in question pretty much roles over and allows it. Pious probably wouldn't have been able to kill Horus with the equipment he had on hand, but if he had a bigger gun and tried after Horus' HeelRealization / DispairEventHorizon, then it's possible. Presumably wouldn't have been able to utterly destroy Horus' soul the way Emps did, though, so we'd probably still be dealing with him.
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** On the other hand, Konrad Curze ''was'' killed by a "regular" callidus assassin, proving that a human is physically capable of killing a Primarch if the Primarch in question pretty much roles over and allows it. Pious probably wouldn't have been able to kill Horus with the equipment he had on hand, but if he had a bigger gun and tried after Horus' HeelRealization / DispairEventHorizon, DespairEventHorizon, then it's possible. Presumably wouldn't have been able to utterly destroy Horus' soul the way Emps did, though, so we'd probably still be dealing with him.him.
** While Curze was killed by a "regular" human assassin, it was pretty much a SuicideByCop scenario and the assassin was presumably armed for the task. Pious, presumably being an average Guardsman with an average Guardsman's kit, might have been able to give Horus (then at the absolute peak of his strength and chock-full of Warp power) a sunburn with a las-gun if Horus stood still for him, but even if he'd had whatever appropriate weaponry he needed to destroy Horus's physical form, the Chaos gods still had a claim on his soul. That's why the Emperor had to straight-up [[DeaderThanDead obliterate Horus's soul]] to stop him from being resurrected (or tortured for eternity by the Chaos gods for failing).
** While Curze was killed by a "regular" human assassin, it was pretty much a SuicideByCop scenario and the assassin was presumably armed for the task. Pious, presumably being an average Guardsman with an average Guardsman's kit, might have been able to give Horus (then at the absolute peak of his strength and chock-full of Warp power) a sunburn with a las-gun if Horus stood still for him, but even if he'd had whatever appropriate weaponry he needed to destroy Horus's physical form, the Chaos gods still had a claim on his soul. That's why the Emperor had to straight-up [[DeaderThanDead obliterate Horus's soul]] to stop him from being resurrected (or tortured for eternity by the Chaos gods for failing).
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** Because it's cheap. Cheap and plentiful is Imperial Guard 101. There are better artillery pieces that exist, but the earthshaker is the most plentiful.
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** I can at least clarify that in the case of Penitent Engines, the pilots are so drugged up on combat drugs that their bodies won't go into shock no matter how atrocious the wounds, so they'll keep going until they've actually achieved brain death.
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** Another, bleaker reason - the galaxy sucks. Yes there are jungle planets and teeming trillions of humans but there far more desolate rocks and strip-mined deserts. Most worlds rarely have a hint of greenery anywhere outside of private collections and anything that does survive naturally is probably a horrid genetic monstrosity, fouled by Chaos, unabashedly carnivorous or all three. Not really the sort that fuels life in the 'good' aspect Isha represents.
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*** HA! This conversation aged well for Space Marine Lieutenants didn't it? Go Primaris!
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** Both points above me are correct. When a non-standard sized group of Marines (so multiple squads from the same company or elements of multiple companies of the same chapter, or elements of multiple chapters) are working together, one marine is chosen for the brevet rank of 'Force Commander', and is given overall authority over all Marine operations for the duration of the conflict.
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** The Imperium cannot create either. Psykers are a natural part of humanity's evolution, and blanks are a genetic oddity that isn't supposed to happen, but does. And it's not just humanity evolving to be more psychic, but to be more ''stably'' psychic, like the Eldar or the Emperor himself.
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** Respectfully, the problem is that you do not understand the problem. It isn't some actual physical gate with a door and a lock you can just close. Magnus ''ripped a hole through reality'' in the Palace, and now it is all the Emperor, the most powerful psyker to ever live, can do to keep the damned thing from getting any bigger. There is no closing the rift.
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** You answered the question yourself. It's ''because'' they shoot their own soldiers. When you're in the Guard, no one's going to bat an eye at you shooting orks, everyone's shooting orks, it's your job to shoot orks. But the guy who's job it is to shoot ''you''? He's gonna be known as the guy who's job it is to shoot you.
