History Headscratchers / Warehouse13

12th Nov '16 2:58:16 PM JazzyWaffles
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** The Season 2 Christmas episode "Secret Santa" likely takes place between the events of S2E8 "Merge With Caution" and S2E9 "Vendetta", as the stockings from "Merge With Caution" are mentioned, but the events of "Vendetta" are not. The Season 3 Christmas episode "The Greatest Gift" takes place between the events of S3E7 "Past Imperfect" and S2E8 "The 40th Floor", because the episode mentions Steve as if he's still a Warehouse agent (he leaves the Warehouse in "The 40th Floor") and features Trailer (who joined in "Past Imperfect").

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** The Season 2 Christmas episode "Secret Santa" likely takes place between the events of S2E8 S2 E8 "Merge With Caution" and S2E9 S2 E9 "Vendetta", as the stockings from "Merge With Caution" are mentioned, but the events of "Vendetta" are not. The Season 3 Christmas episode "The Greatest Gift" takes place between the events of S3E7 S3 E7 "Past Imperfect" and S2E8 S3 E8 "The 40th Floor", because the episode mentions Steve as if he's still a Warehouse agent (he leaves the Warehouse in "The 40th Floor") and features Trailer (who joined in "Past Imperfect").
12th Nov '16 2:57:23 PM JazzyWaffles
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** The Season 2 Christmas episode "Secret Santa" likely takes place between the events of S2E8 "Merge With Caution" and S2E9 "Vendetta", as the stockings from "Merge With Caution" are mentioned, but the events of "Vendetta" are not. The Season 3 Christmas episode "The Greatest Gift" takes place between the events of S3E7 "Past Imperfect" and S2E8 "The 40th Floor", because the episode mentions Steve as if he's still a Warehouse agent (he leaves the Warehouse in "The 40th Floor") and features Trailer (who joined in "Past Imperfect").
5th Aug '16 12:14:27 AM DisKorruptd
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** Perhaps he didnt, Perhaps she somehow knew from an external source, like research on bronzing in her own time, or perhaps it was a lucky guess.
30th Jul '16 11:59:48 AM nombretomado
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* Why was Claudia not arrested - she travels by plane and was issued a 'wanted' document (sorry I don't know the English name). And how does CERN have enough antimatter to fuel anything (no, DanBrown is not a specialist)?

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* Why was Claudia not arrested - she travels by plane and was issued a 'wanted' document (sorry I don't know the English name). And how does CERN have enough antimatter to fuel anything (no, DanBrown Creator/DanBrown is not a specialist)?
21st Apr '16 12:00:55 PM TimBuckII
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** Don't forget that the scenario was most likely not winnable by its nature. H.G. only beats it by CHEATING after all.



** Don't forget that the scenario was most likely not winnable by its nature. H.G. only beats it by CHEATING after all.

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** Don't forget that the scenario was most likely not winnable by its nature. H.G. only beats it by CHEATING after all.
25th Feb '16 1:20:15 AM erforce
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** One, because flashing a badge of any kind will often give you greater authority within that interaction (see {{Chinatown}}). Two, it might work. Three, the Secret Service is responsible for physical security for not just the President of the US, but also many other American political figures. Add to that fact that they are part of the Department of Homeland Security (formerly under the Treasury Department) and frequently investigate counterfeiting (often an international crime), and it might just be the most effective possible American agency to claim to be with when outside of the US.

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** One, because flashing a badge of any kind will often give you greater authority within that interaction (see {{Chinatown}}).''Film/{{Chinatown}}''). Two, it might work. Three, the Secret Service is responsible for physical security for not just the President of the US, but also many other American political figures. Add to that fact that they are part of the Department of Homeland Security (formerly under the Treasury Department) and frequently investigate counterfeiting (often an international crime), and it might just be the most effective possible American agency to claim to be with when outside of the US.
1st Dec '15 1:52:29 PM Discar
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** Though this troper agrees it's occasionally all over the place especially in the way that artifacts gain their power (half seem made, other seem to gain power by proxy of someone extraordinary), in most cases, there's suggested to be at least some sort of scientific explanation for it (silver nitrate, jade, radiation, whatever). The difference between things like the Farnsworth and other ones are probably more about the level of understanding of humanity; they just don't understand enough about, say, the Man Ray camera to explain it beyond a trivial level. There may not be any real distinction, just a matter of usage and understanding. Until something is fully understood, the warehouse keeps it locked up. After all, there really hasn't been any attempt to goo 'regular' technology so we can't say that it wouldn't neutralize it. For something like the Farnsworth and the Tesla, it's probably a matter of retaining an advantage as both are apparently well understood (both by warehouse science and regular science).

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** Though this troper agrees it's occasionally all over the place especially in the way that artifacts gain their power (half seem made, other seem to gain power by proxy of someone extraordinary), in most cases, there's suggested to be at least some sort of scientific explanation for it (silver nitrate, jade, radiation, whatever). The difference between things like the Farnsworth and other ones are probably more about the level of understanding of humanity; they just don't understand enough about, say, the Man Ray camera to explain it beyond a trivial level. There may not be any real distinction, just a matter of usage and understanding. Until something is fully understood, the warehouse keeps it locked up. After all, there really hasn't been any attempt to goo 'regular' technology so we can't say that it wouldn't neutralize it. For something like the Farnsworth and the Tesla, it's probably a matter of retaining an advantage as both are apparently well understood (both by warehouse science and regular science).



* Why is there a row of Harrier Jump Jets (unsure if the jets are the RAF version or the USMC version) in the front of the warehouse? These can be seen in the opening title sequence during a camera pan where the camera's POV goes over the office's balcony and deeper into the warehouse. It may be necessary to do frame by frame to fully see the planes. Troper is interested to find out if these will eventually be incorporated into an episode.

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* Why is there a row of Harrier Jump Jets (unsure if the jets are the RAF version or the USMC version) in the front of the warehouse? These can be seen in the opening title sequence during a camera pan where the camera's POV goes over the office's balcony and deeper into the warehouse. It may be necessary to do frame by frame to fully see the planes. Troper is interested to find out if these will eventually be incorporated into an episode.
1st Dec '15 1:52:03 PM Discar
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1st Dec '15 1:51:52 PM Discar
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*** There is, even though [[spoiler:Dr. Rosen broke it]] it's not hard to believe the Regents might have copied it.

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*** ** There is, even though [[spoiler:Dr. Rosen broke it]] it's not hard to believe the Regents might have copied it.



*** That's not really justification at all though since it's not like normal people are any better - most of the villains in the show are normal people with no government connections to begin with. Most of the people that have found them have been normal. In fact, the only government people involved have all been friendly and helpful. This isn't to say that it should be purely government run, but rather, trying to justify it with what comes across as a kneejerk "Government Baaaad/Evil" dismissive response doesn't work. Suffice to say, it's not government they worry about it's people - and they should recruit and cultivate connections (one way or another, whether as the warehouse or as some Non-Warehouse Organization) with anybody they can trust. However, the Eureka crossover episode and Artie episode perhaps suggests that it's perhaps more a line or at least, policy more than perhaps truth (Artie is ex-CIA). There's someone(s) high enough that they can get a secret non-existent group of scientists to help a secret non-existent warehouse with what amounts to tech support and arrange for the transfer of personnel. This means someone(s) has knowledge of both places and is in a position of power to work with both. Though to be fair to the show, the show isn't that kind of show so, Handwave I suppose.
**** Eureka is a case in point why the Regents don't allow government involvement. That place is turning out weapons left and right. Imagine if they got their fingers in the Warehouse cookie jar. Unimaginable horrors could be unleashed, arguably just as bad as what Eureka puts out, if not worse. Sure, what little government involvement there is now is with nice people, but only because they don't interact with anyone else. If they allowed government involvement on any other level than "we're renting this spot, thanks", it'd become like Eureka. Sure, evil people have been made through their contact with the Warehouse, but this is not something that would change with government involvement. It would actually be worse because a larger staff, with less work into careful selection, would breed more people like [=MacPhearson=]. The Regents are perfectly justified in their fears; Eureka is proof.
**** Eureka not proof. Eureka is funded by the military. The government is not the same entity. As well, Eureka does good things too and the majority of the people there are quite responsible; their 'weapons' are at worse less-than-lethal and we all know they could quite easily let the military use any one of their accidents as a weapon. As well, the majority of their projects are completely non-weapons. Let's not forget that NASA is also a government agency. MIT, Harvard, Stanford, all also receive grant money and funding from the government. As are many other services and agencies with very little malicious intent. While -some- bad might happen, it's a kneejerk reaction to say that it'd turn into 1984. It's not a black-and-white issue. This is not to say that it is not a valid fear but ultimately, bad people will do bad things whether or not they're part of the government; the government itself is just a concept not some evil corrupting force.
***** And what department do you think the Warehouse would be turned over to if it became a government-run operation? If the government gets involved, it would relegate the Warehouse to something, because it's a secret project. If you're going to hide spending, hiding it in military line items is the way to go. Yes, not all governmental administration is bad, but it would assuredly be placed under the discretion of the one that ''is'' liable to abuse it. That's why they can't trust the government to have control.
***** Who said it would be 'turned over to' any department as opposed to just being supported by another organization? And it'd be part of the IRS, Secret Service, and Treasury department - as it is now (in that they draw from there/use it as a cover) only without having to browbeat people just doing their job like Myka's old boss. There is, however, one good reason to be as divorced from a ruling body as they are - it makes it easier to create and change Warehouses as needed as being civilian and completely unrelated, they can ignore international law and such without causing (unofficial) incidents that would be bad for people as whole - nobody likes people from other nations coming in and bossing them around very much - and allow them to conduct business under faux covers. At worse, they'd be charged with art smuggling or what have you. Also, stop changing the goal posts.
****** What goal posts? I'm only trying to illustrate why the abuse would happen. It's highly unlikely that the Warehouse would be administered under the IRS, given the nature of its work. They may use the IRS as a cover, but then lots of secret professions no doubt set up covers in otherwise innocuous settings to deflect suspicion. Doesn't mean the cover job is who they answer to. Incidentally, the Secret Service is now part of Homeland Security, though to be fair it was part of the Treasury for the majority of Warehouse 13's operation. Your reason for the separation also fits.
****** Well, no one's managed to do any lasting damage, yet, so it seems they've found the ideal number of employees, no? Also, as an aside about the Government issue, I offer the following: As we saw with Warehouse 2, this organization existed long before any currently surviving government. Why should they change what's been working out splendidly for thousands of years?

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*** ** That's not really justification at all though since it's not like normal people are any better - most of the villains in the show are normal people with no government connections to begin with. Most of the people that have found them have been normal. In fact, the only government people involved have all been friendly and helpful. This isn't to say that it should be purely government run, but rather, trying to justify it with what comes across as a kneejerk "Government Baaaad/Evil" dismissive response doesn't work. Suffice to say, it's not government they worry about it's people - and they should recruit and cultivate connections (one way or another, whether as the warehouse or as some Non-Warehouse Organization) with anybody they can trust. However, the Eureka crossover episode and Artie episode perhaps suggests that it's perhaps more a line or at least, policy more than perhaps truth (Artie is ex-CIA). There's someone(s) high enough that they can get a secret non-existent group of scientists to help a secret non-existent warehouse with what amounts to tech support and arrange for the transfer of personnel. This means someone(s) has knowledge of both places and is in a position of power to work with both. Though to be fair to the show, the show isn't that kind of show so, Handwave I suppose.
**** ** Eureka is a case in point why the Regents don't allow government involvement. That place is turning out weapons left and right. Imagine if they got their fingers in the Warehouse cookie jar. Unimaginable horrors could be unleashed, arguably just as bad as what Eureka puts out, if not worse. Sure, what little government involvement there is now is with nice people, but only because they don't interact with anyone else. If they allowed government involvement on any other level than "we're renting this spot, thanks", it'd become like Eureka. Sure, evil people have been made through their contact with the Warehouse, but this is not something that would change with government involvement. It would actually be worse because a larger staff, with less work into careful selection, would breed more people like [=MacPhearson=]. The Regents are perfectly justified in their fears; Eureka is proof.
**** ** Eureka not proof. Eureka is funded by the military. The government is not the same entity. As well, Eureka does good things too and the majority of the people there are quite responsible; their 'weapons' are at worse less-than-lethal and we all know they could quite easily let the military use any one of their accidents as a weapon. As well, the majority of their projects are completely non-weapons. Let's not forget that NASA is also a government agency. MIT, Harvard, Stanford, all also receive grant money and funding from the government. As are many other services and agencies with very little malicious intent. While -some- bad might happen, it's a kneejerk reaction to say that it'd turn into 1984. It's not a black-and-white issue. This is not to say that it is not a valid fear but ultimately, bad people will do bad things whether or not they're part of the government; the government itself is just a concept not some evil corrupting force.
***** ** And what department do you think the Warehouse would be turned over to if it became a government-run operation? If the government gets involved, it would relegate the Warehouse to something, because it's a secret project. If you're going to hide spending, hiding it in military line items is the way to go. Yes, not all governmental administration is bad, but it would assuredly be placed under the discretion of the one that ''is'' liable to abuse it. That's why they can't trust the government to have control.
***** ** Who said it would be 'turned over to' any department as opposed to just being supported by another organization? And it'd be part of the IRS, Secret Service, and Treasury department - as it is now (in that they draw from there/use it as a cover) only without having to browbeat people just doing their job like Myka's old boss. There is, however, one good reason to be as divorced from a ruling body as they are - it makes it easier to create and change Warehouses as needed as being civilian and completely unrelated, they can ignore international law and such without causing (unofficial) incidents that would be bad for people as whole - nobody likes people from other nations coming in and bossing them around very much - and allow them to conduct business under faux covers. At worse, they'd be charged with art smuggling or what have you. Also, stop changing the goal posts.
****** ** What goal posts? I'm only trying to illustrate why the abuse would happen. It's highly unlikely that the Warehouse would be administered under the IRS, given the nature of its work. They may use the IRS as a cover, but then lots of secret professions no doubt set up covers in otherwise innocuous settings to deflect suspicion. Doesn't mean the cover job is who they answer to. Incidentally, the Secret Service is now part of Homeland Security, though to be fair it was part of the Treasury for the majority of Warehouse 13's operation. Your reason for the separation also fits.
****** ** Well, no one's managed to do any lasting damage, yet, so it seems they've found the ideal number of employees, no? Also, as an aside about the Government issue, I offer the following: As we saw with Warehouse 2, this organization existed long before any currently surviving government. Why should they change what's been working out splendidly for thousands of years?



*** Also, regardng the amount of employees, in one of Artie's pictures w/ him and Mcpherson, there are about 20-30 agents in it. And when Myka and Pete go back in time, we see there're about 10-15 agents/researchers in the Warehouse. Maybe it's just that as time went by, the Warehouse agents got more and more efficient, thereby eliminating the need for larger numbers? Also, with the additions of season 3, we've got around six employees, (including Leena and not including Mrs. Fredericks) and by the finale we've got around 8-ish? (and then 5-ish again, in a horrifying burst of kill-em-all fury.)But beside the point, you have got to keep in mind that in the first episode, there was just Artie. Look how far we've come, guys!
**** The Warehouse staff could feasibly have been cut down due to technological changes. Think how much time they save with the electronic database of artifacts, Claudia pulling massive amounts of data off the Internet, the team being able to buy plane tickets, etc.

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*** ** Also, regardng the amount of employees, in one of Artie's pictures w/ him and Mcpherson, there are about 20-30 agents in it. And when Myka and Pete go back in time, we see there're about 10-15 agents/researchers in the Warehouse. Maybe it's just that as time went by, the Warehouse agents got more and more efficient, thereby eliminating the need for larger numbers? Also, with the additions of season 3, we've got around six employees, (including Leena and not including Mrs. Fredericks) and by the finale we've got around 8-ish? (and then 5-ish again, in a horrifying burst of kill-em-all fury.)But beside the point, you have got to keep in mind that in the first episode, there was just Artie. Look how far we've come, guys!
**** ** The Warehouse staff could feasibly have been cut down due to technological changes. Think how much time they save with the electronic database of artifacts, Claudia pulling massive amounts of data off the Internet, the team being able to buy plane tickets, etc.



*** The stairs are presumably open to snipers from inside the Warehouse or some other booby trap, think of it like 'VideoGame/DwarfFortress' you have a quick way in and out which you can remove with a leaver (i.e. a drawbridge or exploding tunnel of death) and a long winding way in which is filled with sharp pointy death or snipers. This allows you an entrance/exit with out compromising your security against external threats. Why its trigger-able from the OUTSIDE with out any type of code or other security feature is anybody's guess...
*** It does if you consider that not every threat knows how to use the stairs.
**** Except robots from Series/DoctorWho - which does not?
***** Some artifact running amok.
***** The greater threat though is people not artifacts. Most artifacts aren't going to wander off by themselves. Those that could probably aren't going to be stopped by an exploding bomb (Artie was vaporized and the Phoenix thingie put him and itself back together). The only explanation would be some sort of emergency stair internal to the warehouse erected for the sole purpose of exiting the warehouse after it's been sealed...
***** If you're referring to Daleks, they are not robots and [[NeverLiveItDown have been able to climb stairs since 1988]]. Granted, it would protect against Mechanoids or Quarks.
****** I'm not quite sure. I have read about it in book which was not in english and intended for audience not familiar with Series/DoctorWho (well - ok, the translation of book). I'm not familiar with all [[Series/DoctorWho Dr. Whoverse]] so it might been LostInTranslation.

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*** ** The stairs are presumably open to snipers from inside the Warehouse or some other booby trap, think of it like 'VideoGame/DwarfFortress' you have a quick way in and out which you can remove with a leaver (i.e. a drawbridge or exploding tunnel of death) and a long winding way in which is filled with sharp pointy death or snipers. This allows you an entrance/exit with out compromising your security against external threats. Why its trigger-able from the OUTSIDE with out any type of code or other security feature is anybody's guess...
*** ** It does if you consider that not every threat knows how to use the stairs.
**** ** Except robots from Series/DoctorWho - which does not?
***** ** Some artifact running amok.
***** ** The greater threat though is people not artifacts. Most artifacts aren't going to wander off by themselves. Those that could probably aren't going to be stopped by an exploding bomb (Artie was vaporized and the Phoenix thingie put him and itself back together). The only explanation would be some sort of emergency stair internal to the warehouse erected for the sole purpose of exiting the warehouse after it's been sealed...
***** ** If you're referring to Daleks, they are not robots and [[NeverLiveItDown have been able to climb stairs since 1988]]. Granted, it would protect against Mechanoids or Quarks.
****** ** I'm not quite sure. I have read about it in book which was not in english and intended for audience not familiar with Series/DoctorWho (well - ok, the translation of book). I'm not familiar with all [[Series/DoctorWho Dr. Whoverse]] so it might been LostInTranslation.



*** Well. I'm not an agent (or do I ;) ) so I don't know (sounds logical) but it should not be surprise for her parents that she does not talk much about job. Or she could just continue Maskarade against her parents if she does.
*** It could also be a policy similar to the CIA. Anyone that works for the CIA can be jailed and charged (legally) for revealing that they are an agent. Anyone that reveals that someone else is an agent can be jailed and charged. The reason being a matter of security; having people outside the agency know who agents are puts the agents and anyone else they're in contact with at risk. It's the whole superhero secret identity thing.

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*** ** Well. I'm not an agent (or do I ;) ) so I don't know (sounds logical) but it should not be surprise for her parents that she does not talk much about job. Or she could just continue Maskarade against her parents if she does.
*** ** It could also be a policy similar to the CIA. Anyone that works for the CIA can be jailed and charged (legally) for revealing that they are an agent. Anyone that reveals that someone else is an agent can be jailed and charged. The reason being a matter of security; having people outside the agency know who agents are puts the agents and anyone else they're in contact with at risk. It's the whole superhero secret identity thing.



*** Relevant to that, if the Gooery is as opaque as they make it out to be, why were the Eureka staff so easily able to make it better. Superscience aside, obviously.

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*** ** Relevant to that, if the Gooery is as opaque as they make it out to be, why were the Eureka staff so easily able to make it better. Superscience aside, obviously.



*** And as seen in S2, it doesn't even stop brain activity. And, as the debronzing goes, it doesn't age them at all so it's as helpful as it is harmful. And what's worse, being trapped in your body for eternity or an execution and sending them to heaven/hell (as also implied by S2)?
**** Both options are not quite good and I guess it [[WhoWantsToLiveForever is matter of discussion (I guess it have to be boring after 10 days)]].
***** If it wasn't boring, what would be the point of being stood in the corner to think about what they'd done?
****** Wells' comment about awakening in a different world sounds like an AuthorsSavingThrow to suggest that bronzing (contrary to what we were told) doesn't leave the person conscious.
******* Not at all. How exactly would she know about the modern world when the entirety of her time while bronze was spent in a box or on a shelf or something. She had zero company or interaction the entire time.
******** How is it an AuthorsSavingThrow? She still woke up in the future and just because that's what she used bronzing for, doesn't mean that's what it is ''intended'' for. She didn't know she'd be conscious the entire time and after she went in, she couldn't tell anyone that she was conscious. She didn't know what it would be like before she got in, and only knew what she had figured out logically. I'm pretty sure not a lot of bronzed people are debronzed, so she could have gone in thinking that she'd just wake up in the future and then found out later, uh-oh, I'm going to be semi-conscious this entire time. How are the two points mutually exclusive?

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*** ** And as seen in S2, it doesn't even stop brain activity. And, as the debronzing goes, it doesn't age them at all so it's as helpful as it is harmful. And what's worse, being trapped in your body for eternity or an execution and sending them to heaven/hell (as also implied by S2)?
**** ** Both options are not quite good and I guess it [[WhoWantsToLiveForever is matter of discussion (I guess it have to be boring after 10 days)]].
***** ** If it wasn't boring, what would be the point of being stood in the corner to think about what they'd done?
****** ** Wells' comment about awakening in a different world sounds like an AuthorsSavingThrow to suggest that bronzing (contrary to what we were told) doesn't leave the person conscious.
******* ** Not at all. How exactly would she know about the modern world when the entirety of her time while bronze was spent in a box or on a shelf or something. She had zero company or interaction the entire time.
******** ** How is it an AuthorsSavingThrow? She still woke up in the future and just because that's what she used bronzing for, doesn't mean that's what it is ''intended'' for. She didn't know she'd be conscious the entire time and after she went in, she couldn't tell anyone that she was conscious. She didn't know what it would be like before she got in, and only knew what she had figured out logically. I'm pretty sure not a lot of bronzed people are debronzed, so she could have gone in thinking that she'd just wake up in the future and then found out later, uh-oh, I'm going to be semi-conscious this entire time. How are the two points mutually exclusive?



*** My point is why they didn't issue a warrant issue. She might work for a BigBad which is said [[GodwinsLaw the he could be worst then Hitler]] (thus qualifing for bronzing). She is known to go to CERN (which apparently have antimatter).
**** They didn't issue a warrant because they were rather busy chasing three different things at once. Also, she does not regularly go to CERN. Her brother works there, which means she'd be in the area, not in the building.
**** I mean she was known to go to Switzerland/France (last time I checked it was on Switzerland/France border in suburbs of Geneva. It means that she have to travel though at least one ocean (probably one - Atlantic). After 9/11 it should not be a problem to find person travelling on cross-atlantic flight which made no alteration to her look.
***** Answered by how ''quickly'' Artie found her. She says it herself "Warehouse agents are stealth, we go under the radar." They might not have issued a warrant for her because they could find her ''themselves'' How many times have Pete and Myka issued a BOLO for a person with an artifact?
****** Also, Claudia has proven she is a hacker with impossible levels of skill, most likely a warrant issued for her would suddenly display a picture of a particularity ugly dog named Charles who was wanted for stealing a bone, if she had any reason to go near an airport...

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*** ** My point is why they didn't issue a warrant issue. She might work for a BigBad which is said [[GodwinsLaw the he could be worst then Hitler]] (thus qualifing for bronzing). She is known to go to CERN (which apparently have antimatter).
**** ** They didn't issue a warrant because they were rather busy chasing three different things at once. Also, she does not regularly go to CERN. Her brother works there, which means she'd be in the area, not in the building.
**** ** I mean she was known to go to Switzerland/France (last time I checked it was on Switzerland/France border in suburbs of Geneva. It means that she have to travel though at least one ocean (probably one - Atlantic). After 9/11 it should not be a problem to find person travelling on cross-atlantic flight which made no alteration to her look.
***** ** Answered by how ''quickly'' Artie found her. She says it herself "Warehouse agents are stealth, we go under the radar." They might not have issued a warrant for her because they could find her ''themselves'' How many times have Pete and Myka issued a BOLO for a person with an artifact?
****** ** Also, Claudia has proven she is a hacker with impossible levels of skill, most likely a warrant issued for her would suddenly display a picture of a particularity ugly dog named Charles who was wanted for stealing a bone, if she had any reason to go near an airport...



*** As far as they know, the personal effects aren't dangerous, or have powers, or else they'd be in regular storage or the Vault.
*** If the personal effects aren't dangerous or have powers... why the heavy security then? Warehouse personnel are certainly GenreSavvy enough to have ways to counter things like artifacts acting up. The Dark Vault has backup generators for instance. It's not that dangerous things need to be accessible, it's the security surrounding non-dangerous things with no powers at all.
**** They're kept secure in such a manner because they're not dangerous ''by themselves''. They can't do any harm on their own, but if their original owners managed to get them back, they could potentially be very dangerous. The other artifacts need to be out in the open so any potential problems can be dealt with in a timely fashion. In the Escher Vault, it'd take five minutes just to find them, and you couldn't seriously set up a containment system in a place with constantly-changing architecture.
*** The effects of artifacts in the Dark Vault are neutralized by a constant flow of the purple goo. Running a pipe of the stuff into the Escher Vault would be impossible.

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*** ** As far as they know, the personal effects aren't dangerous, or have powers, or else they'd be in regular storage or the Vault.
*** ** If the personal effects aren't dangerous or have powers... why the heavy security then? Warehouse personnel are certainly GenreSavvy enough to have ways to counter things like artifacts acting up. The Dark Vault has backup generators for instance. It's not that dangerous things need to be accessible, it's the security surrounding non-dangerous things with no powers at all.
**** ** They're kept secure in such a manner because they're not dangerous ''by themselves''. They can't do any harm on their own, but if their original owners managed to get them back, they could potentially be very dangerous. The other artifacts need to be out in the open so any potential problems can be dealt with in a timely fashion. In the Escher Vault, it'd take five minutes just to find them, and you couldn't seriously set up a containment system in a place with constantly-changing architecture.
*** ** The effects of artifacts in the Dark Vault are neutralized by a constant flow of the purple goo. Running a pipe of the stuff into the Escher Vault would be impossible.



*** It ''does'' kinda make sense that she'd rig it up to only work on people not using the shoes, and leave everything else alone.

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*** ** It ''does'' kinda make sense that she'd rig it up to only work on people not using the shoes, and leave everything else alone.



*** Not to mention Claudia has tinkered with ''everything'' in the Warehouse, including adding her own code programs to the computer - he mentions it in 'Trials'. She's more efficient and uses both her own physical inventions and computer programming and the system that they use was updated by Fargo. IIRC, Artie was using an artifact to hack the Internet and/or an older system enhanced by an Artifact, Claudia just using a straight up and down computer system. Considering that she's the one who circumvented Warehouse security from the ''outside'', I'd say she generally made things safer.

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*** ** Not to mention Claudia has tinkered with ''everything'' in the Warehouse, including adding her own code programs to the computer - he mentions it in 'Trials'. She's more efficient and uses both her own physical inventions and computer programming and the system that they use was updated by Fargo. IIRC, Artie was using an artifact to hack the Internet and/or an older system enhanced by an Artifact, Claudia just using a straight up and down computer system. Considering that she's the one who circumvented Warehouse security from the ''outside'', I'd say she generally made things safer.



*** But "advanced tech" and "beyond the realm of normal understanding" are totally subjective (why does the Farnsworth/Tesla/Wells stuff count but the atom bomb doesn't?). I'd say an easier handwave is that the "technological" artifacts use magical parts.
**** The atom bomb is something they couldn't have hidden. Things like the record and the Farnsworth are way beyond their time.
**** What I'm trying to point out is that these are all ''subjective'' definitions, meaning that there's still no reason why something physical (like the neutralizer) would affect all and only things that aren't "understood". If X years from now stuff like the "turns-images-into-matter camera" ''is'' understood, it wouldn't make sense for a substance to stop affecting it just based on what people know.
***** As I said, has the neutralizer ever affected straight technology? I can't remember an instance where they used it on something like that.
***** In the first episode, Artie says of the neutralizer. "...and it doesn't, always. Work, that is." On a side note, the gooery (and hence the neutralizer) seems to be an artifact itself, and one of the "magic" ones at that. [[AWizardDidIt So there's that]].

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*** ** But "advanced tech" and "beyond the realm of normal understanding" are totally subjective (why does the Farnsworth/Tesla/Wells stuff count but the atom bomb doesn't?). I'd say an easier handwave is that the "technological" artifacts use magical parts.
**** ** The atom bomb is something they couldn't have hidden. Things like the record and the Farnsworth are way beyond their time.
**** ** What I'm trying to point out is that these are all ''subjective'' definitions, meaning that there's still no reason why something physical (like the neutralizer) would affect all and only things that aren't "understood". If X years from now stuff like the "turns-images-into-matter camera" ''is'' understood, it wouldn't make sense for a substance to stop affecting it just based on what people know.
***** ** As I said, has the neutralizer ever affected straight technology? I can't remember an instance where they used it on something like that.
***** ** In the first episode, Artie says of the neutralizer. "...and it doesn't, always. Work, that is." On a side note, the gooery (and hence the neutralizer) seems to be an artifact itself, and one of the "magic" ones at that. [[AWizardDidIt So there's that]].



*** Though now it begs to ask why Myka classified the grappling gun as an artifact. Unlike most of the stuff they have or use, this one is actually much more feasible (if requiring more tech than would have actually existed in the time) than unlimited range video/radios or self-charging stun guns and doesn't involve magi-tech/techno-magic.
**** Myka probably did it to keep herself from being tempted to keep it.

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*** ** Though now it begs to ask why Myka classified the grappling gun as an artifact. Unlike most of the stuff they have or use, this one is actually much more feasible (if requiring more tech than would have actually existed in the time) than unlimited range video/radios or self-charging stun guns and doesn't involve magi-tech/techno-magic.
**** ** Myka probably did it to keep herself from being tempted to keep it.



*** On killing it's said that they do that so as to not stain the killer's soul.

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*** ** On killing it's said that they do that so as to not stain the killer's soul.



*** Computers PLURAL are forever, not any particular unit. You can always get a new computer and transfer your files.

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*** ** Computers PLURAL are forever, not any particular unit. You can always get a new computer and transfer your files.



*** Okay, now I follow. Good explanation by the way. But following that logic, if history is accounting for the use of the time machine and as H.G. Wells puts it, "the ink in which our lives is written is indelible", then that means that, historically speaking, Pete and Myka already used the time machine to travel back and search for the artifact, which they later buried in the orchard. So shouldn't they have a memory of where they buried the knife before they even travel there?
**** No, because they didn't travel back until this episode. Their memory is linear, even if it doesn't exist in a linear state. Up until the moment they used the time machine, their minds had only experienced events from birth to that point. Upon using the time machine, their minds experience events in the past, until returning to their own bodies in the present. The memory of where the knife is buried doesn't exist until they use the time machine.
**** Okay, that makes sense. I think the next time I watch a time travel episode of something, I'm just going to adhere to BellisariosMaxim.
*** Think of it like this. Imagine a rollercoaster (or a stripe of paper or a plane) that makes a loop in the air. This is their memory. It's always 'going forward' but until they get to the point in their memory where something happens, they don't remember it no matter 'when' it is.
*** Relevant to this, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle]]
*** What's more bugging: W13 and Eureka share an universe. In Eureka mental time travel ''can'' change the past...
**** What happened in Eureka was physical time travel, not mental.
***** No, the first time was mental. The second was physical. Both were not stable time loops. W13 is a stable time loop.
****** Not only is the Eureka time machine built a century later than HG Wells' one, using the advanced technology available there, but it takes Henry about four years to actually build the thing. Presumably, he was able to overcome the problems that Helena found insuperable.

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*** ** Okay, now I follow. Good explanation by the way. But following that logic, if history is accounting for the use of the time machine and as H.G. Wells puts it, "the ink in which our lives is written is indelible", then that means that, historically speaking, Pete and Myka already used the time machine to travel back and search for the artifact, which they later buried in the orchard. So shouldn't they have a memory of where they buried the knife before they even travel there?
**** ** No, because they didn't travel back until this episode. Their memory is linear, even if it doesn't exist in a linear state. Up until the moment they used the time machine, their minds had only experienced events from birth to that point. Upon using the time machine, their minds experience events in the past, until returning to their own bodies in the present. The memory of where the knife is buried doesn't exist until they use the time machine.
**** ** Okay, that makes sense. I think the next time I watch a time travel episode of something, I'm just going to adhere to BellisariosMaxim.
*** ** Think of it like this. Imagine a rollercoaster (or a stripe of paper or a plane) that makes a loop in the air. This is their memory. It's always 'going forward' but until they get to the point in their memory where something happens, they don't remember it no matter 'when' it is.
*** ** Relevant to this, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle]]
*** ** What's more bugging: W13 and Eureka share an universe. In Eureka mental time travel ''can'' change the past...
**** ** What happened in Eureka was physical time travel, not mental.
***** ** No, the first time was mental. The second was physical. Both were not stable time loops. W13 is a stable time loop.
****** ** Not only is the Eureka time machine built a century later than HG Wells' one, using the advanced technology available there, but it takes Henry about four years to actually build the thing. Presumably, he was able to overcome the problems that Helena found insuperable.



*** It canonically depends on the artifact, but overall, it is "a bit of both". Some are one, some are the other, some are bits of both.

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*** ** It canonically depends on the artifact, but overall, it is "a bit of both". Some are one, some are the other, some are bits of both.



*** Except Artie confirmed that he was aware that Bronzing doesn't stop consciousness.
*** Season 4 also confirms that communication (facilitated by an artifact, but still) is still possible with someone who's been bronzed. Ergo, the bronzed people ''must'' be conscious on some level even in their bronze state. Perhaps the bronzing process causes temporary mental disorientation and Steve wasn't bronzed long enough to regain consciousness.

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*** ** Except Artie confirmed that he was aware that Bronzing doesn't stop consciousness.
*** ** Season 4 also confirms that communication (facilitated by an artifact, but still) is still possible with someone who's been bronzed. Ergo, the bronzed people ''must'' be conscious on some level even in their bronze state. Perhaps the bronzing process causes temporary mental disorientation and Steve wasn't bronzed long enough to regain consciousness.



*** Exactly. Imagine if, in their drunken confusion, they decided to let a guy like ''Paracelsus'' out just because his name sounded funny to them.
*** Okay, but none of that explains why bronzing someone can be done without clearance. Whether or not DE-bronzing someone should require clearance was never in question.

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*** ** Exactly. Imagine if, in their drunken confusion, they decided to let a guy like ''Paracelsus'' out just because his name sounded funny to them.
*** ** Okay, but none of that explains why bronzing someone can be done without clearance. Whether or not DE-bronzing someone should require clearance was never in question.



*** It's still odd for a man to be running around using his sister's initials for writing. Based on his personality as seen in the show it also seems odd that someone who likes fame not take the chance to put their actual name on their work.
**** Simple, H.G. wanted ''some'' credit and threatened to stop sharing the science stuff with him if he refused to grant her that.

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*** ** It's still odd for a man to be running around using his sister's initials for writing. Based on his personality as seen in the show it also seems odd that someone who likes fame not take the chance to put their actual name on their work.
**** ** Simple, H.G. wanted ''some'' credit and threatened to stop sharing the science stuff with him if he refused to grant her that.



*** While he was made out to ''look'' like an idiot in the flashback Helena had already said that her brother was a good writer and she had ''given'' him her invention ideas so he could put them in his books. It's obvious that he was a bit drunk at the time anyway. And as we all know, people (even nice ones) act pretty cocky when they're drunk.

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*** ** While he was made out to ''look'' like an idiot in the flashback Helena had already said that her brother was a good writer and she had ''given'' him her invention ideas so he could put them in his books. It's obvious that he was a bit drunk at the time anyway. And as we all know, people (even nice ones) act pretty cocky when they're drunk.



*** The horn was described as working on sonic frequencies, they just seem to be set to human (notice how most victims leave clothes behine). The real question is why, when in the first place the horn was used to bring down walls, it seemed to be most effective on organic matter.
*** It doesn't only affect organic matter, unless that car's engine front half were some how grown... Although given the strangeness that goes on in the Warehouse 13 universe finding out that agents were driving around in an organically grown car would not be out of place.

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*** ** The horn was described as working on sonic frequencies, they just seem to be set to human (notice how most victims leave clothes behine). The real question is why, when in the first place the horn was used to bring down walls, it seemed to be most effective on organic matter.
*** ** It doesn't only affect organic matter, unless that car's engine front half were some how grown... Although given the strangeness that goes on in the Warehouse 13 universe finding out that agents were driving around in an organically grown car would not be out of place.



*** True, but that was clearly an exaggeration. When the artifact did detonate, it caused a shockwave that clearly rocked Leena's, which was several miles away. The people inside the Warehouse also felt and heard the effects of the cannon that was fired at it. The barrier was strong enough that the agents wouldn't have been able to break out, and that could mostly absorb the blast of a nuclear explosion, but a minuscule part of it probably would have just broken apart.
**** It's far more likely that nothing could breach the bubble from OUTSIDE, containing the explosion inside would have been far more taxing for the bubble then blocking an outside energy source. Which is most likely why H.G. did not contain the bomb inside the second bubble.

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*** ** True, but that was clearly an exaggeration. When the artifact did detonate, it caused a shockwave that clearly rocked Leena's, which was several miles away. The people inside the Warehouse also felt and heard the effects of the cannon that was fired at it. The barrier was strong enough that the agents wouldn't have been able to break out, and that could mostly absorb the blast of a nuclear explosion, but a minuscule part of it probably would have just broken apart.
**** ** It's far more likely that nothing could breach the bubble from OUTSIDE, containing the explosion inside would have been far more taxing for the bubble then blocking an outside energy source. Which is most likely why H.G. did not contain the bomb inside the second bubble.



*** Plus he didn't know what the lock would be, only who designed it and that Helena was his student. I don't know if the hacker had his equipment with him, but I doubt there was Wi-Fi in the Regents' Sanctum.

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*** ** Plus he didn't know what the lock would be, only who designed it and that Helena was his student. I don't know if the hacker had his equipment with him, but I doubt there was Wi-Fi in the Regents' Sanctum.



*** But why would the Regents let her keep it? It seems like there's a risk of her regaining her memories, and even if the coin is infallible, I'm sure Emily would try to track down this mysterious girl, which would lead to lots of questions... It just seems simpler for them to confiscate the locket again.

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*** ** But why would the Regents let her keep it? It seems like there's a risk of her regaining her memories, and even if the coin is infallible, I'm sure Emily would try to track down this mysterious girl, which would lead to lots of questions... It just seems simpler for them to confiscate the locket again.



*** Don't forget that the scenario was most likely not winnable by its nature. H.G. only beats it by CHEATING after all.

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*** ** Don't forget that the scenario was most likely not winnable by its nature. H.G. only beats it by CHEATING after all.



*** I'm betting that Sykes basically gave Marcus the box in exchange for his services one last time.

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*** ** I'm betting that Sykes basically gave Marcus the box in exchange for his services one last time.



*** Nope, Secret Service agents are trained only to draw their weapons when they are shooting to kill, otherwise a gun is kind of useless for what they are usually doing. Generally the type of people the Secret Service deal with are not going to be intimated by a gun pointed at them. ( i.e suicide bombers) If fact, if they were operating with any kind of sanity they would have shot H.G. until she went down and Sykes a few time as well. Probably even put a few into that poor dead kid. You know... to be sure. It's far more likely that the next point below was why they didn't fire.

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*** ** Nope, Secret Service agents are trained only to draw their weapons when they are shooting to kill, otherwise a gun is kind of useless for what they are usually doing. Generally the type of people the Secret Service deal with are not going to be intimated by a gun pointed at them. ( i.e suicide bombers) If fact, if they were operating with any kind of sanity they would have shot H.G. until she went down and Sykes a few time as well. Probably even put a few into that poor dead kid. You know... to be sure. It's far more likely that the next point below was why they didn't fire.



*** The Christmas episodes are shown out-of-sequence to coincide with the holiday season.

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*** ** The Christmas episodes are shown out-of-sequence to coincide with the holiday season.



*** Agreed. MacPhearson figured out a way to negate the effects of the tesla last season, and since he and HG worked together it was reasonable to assume that HG had the same knowledge.

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*** ** Agreed. MacPhearson figured out a way to negate the effects of the tesla last season, and since he and HG worked together it was reasonable to assume that HG had the same knowledge.



*** In "The Ones You Love" Pete had a vibe about [[spoiler:Leena's death]] and he was in another state. He said that he hadn't had a vibe that strong since his father died. Presumably, since he did inherit the ability from his mother, his mother would have felt the the same vibe about his father and at least the same strength.

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*** ** In "The Ones You Love" Pete had a vibe about [[spoiler:Leena's death]] and he was in another state. He said that he hadn't had a vibe that strong since his father died. Presumably, since he did inherit the ability from his mother, his mother would have felt the the same vibe about his father and at least the same strength.



*** Or to look at it another way, lie-detection powers usually tap into the liar's intent to knowingly deceive. Hence, sarcasm, honest mistakes and the like don't set it off because while they are untruths, they're not technically ''lies''.

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*** ** Or to look at it another way, lie-detection powers usually tap into the liar's intent to knowingly deceive. Hence, sarcasm, honest mistakes and the like don't set it off because while they are untruths, they're not technically ''lies''.



*** As Mrs. Frederic explained, an artifact is created by the combination of a person, an object, and an event. Presumably all three of these things must be unique and/or extraordinary in some way, hence the reason why some people create artifacts and others don't. It also seems that ''fame'' is another important factor in artifact creation. It can't be a coincidence that 99% of the artifacts we see on the show belonged to or were associated with a person or group who achieved great fame/infamy. So perhaps the reason Ali created an artifact (assuming he didn't just find an artifact and use it) while Art I. Fact did not, despite accomplishing a similar feat, is because Ali was the more famous of the two. Or, it could also be possible that Art I. Fact DID create an artifact, but it hasn't come up on the Warehouse's radar yet. Mrs. Frederic also said that Warehouse agents only retrieve artifacts when they pose an immediate threat. A few generations down the line, when Art I. Fact's magic belt or whatever falls into the wrong hands, ''then'' the Warehouse sends agents to retrieve it.
*** Fame doesn't affect artifact creation (though there probably is an element of chance involved; that's why not every Joe Blow has created artifacts). Fame affects whether people seek it out. If you want an artifact that'll let you live forever, you'll look for something linked to Mathuselah, not Miss Galina from Siberia, even though both would work exactly as well. That's, I believe, why the vast majority of artifacts featured are from famous events or people: We don't see famous artifacts because they are somehow stronger, we see famous artifacts because their fame make people seek them, use them and abuse them, and also because artifacts tend to put people in a position to become famous.
*** Be that as it may, I still think fame must have some role in artifact creation. After all, Mrs. Frederic never actually said that fame/infamy was ''irrelevant'' to the process. She simply said that it isn't strictly necessary.
*** Fame certainly helps, because of the tendency of famous people usually being ordinary people who have done extraordinary things, hence why they are famous.

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*** ** As Mrs. Frederic explained, an artifact is created by the combination of a person, an object, and an event. Presumably all three of these things must be unique and/or extraordinary in some way, hence the reason why some people create artifacts and others don't. It also seems that ''fame'' is another important factor in artifact creation. It can't be a coincidence that 99% of the artifacts we see on the show belonged to or were associated with a person or group who achieved great fame/infamy. So perhaps the reason Ali created an artifact (assuming he didn't just find an artifact and use it) while Art I. Fact did not, despite accomplishing a similar feat, is because Ali was the more famous of the two. Or, it could also be possible that Art I. Fact DID create an artifact, but it hasn't come up on the Warehouse's radar yet. Mrs. Frederic also said that Warehouse agents only retrieve artifacts when they pose an immediate threat. A few generations down the line, when Art I. Fact's magic belt or whatever falls into the wrong hands, ''then'' the Warehouse sends agents to retrieve it.
*** ** Fame doesn't affect artifact creation (though there probably is an element of chance involved; that's why not every Joe Blow has created artifacts). Fame affects whether people seek it out. If you want an artifact that'll let you live forever, you'll look for something linked to Mathuselah, not Miss Galina from Siberia, even though both would work exactly as well. That's, I believe, why the vast majority of artifacts featured are from famous events or people: We don't see famous artifacts because they are somehow stronger, we see famous artifacts because their fame make people seek them, use them and abuse them, and also because artifacts tend to put people in a position to become famous.
*** ** Be that as it may, I still think fame must have some role in artifact creation. After all, Mrs. Frederic never actually said that fame/infamy was ''irrelevant'' to the process. She simply said that it isn't strictly necessary.
*** ** Fame certainly helps, because of the tendency of famous people usually being ordinary people who have done extraordinary things, hence why they are famous.



*** If that's the case, wouldn't "taking inventory" be a pointless exercise?

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*** ** If that's the case, wouldn't "taking inventory" be a pointless exercise?



*** I just assumed that someone had tried it with an otherwise innocuous artifact, and then it went ''really'' badly.

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*** ** I just assumed that someone had tried it with an otherwise innocuous artifact, and then it went ''really'' badly.



*** Okay, so why does he do that?
*** He's got a mild case of Bell's Palsy. Basically he has a pinched cranial nerve which causes slight facial paralysis. You'll notice one of his eyes is often partially closed for the same reason.

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*** ** Okay, so why does he do that?
*** ** He's got a mild case of Bell's Palsy. Basically he has a pinched cranial nerve which causes slight facial paralysis. You'll notice one of his eyes is often partially closed for the same reason.
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* Just what constitues an artifact? Some of the items appear to be genuinely magical, while others are "just" highly advanced technology, and yet they are all affected by the neutralizer. Would the neutralizer also affect, say, an iPod?

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* Just what constitues constitutes an artifact? Some of the items appear to be genuinely magical, while others are "just" highly advanced technology, and yet they are all affected by the neutralizer. Would the neutralizer also affect, say, an iPod?



* Claudia. Just... fucking Claudia. She's the most irritating character imaginable. She doesn't listen, to the point of almost getting herself killed more than once. She refuses to respect authority and experience. She has no clearance and no actual purpose in the Warehouse other than to "hippify" the cast for the younger generation. (Kids, just so you know, acting like that in your real job will get your snarky ass fired before your first break.) Worst of all, in the behind the scenes footage, the actress is EXACTLY THE SAME as her character. She needs that freckle slapped off her damn cheek! She Just Bugs Me.
** Seems more like a personal problem to me. Claudia is the tech expert, and does all the hacking. She DOES have clearance, because Clearance is not granted by the United States government, it's granted by the Regents which is clearly stated several times over.
** To the job thing, the only alternative to hiring her was ''killing her'' (and firing her now would be the same thing, really), and she is good at what she does.
*** She spent most of her childhood in a mental institution, and it was kinda Artie's fault, so it's really no wonder he lets her get away with a lot.
** Plus, it's not like working at the Warehouse is a normal job. The people who work there obviously have access to quite a lot of top secret information, and also have a tendency to be very, very good at whatever it is they do - Claudia's a tech genius, it was stated in "Breakdown," that Pete and Myka have an extremely high Artifact retrieval rate, ect. They basically all have a licence to be a BunnyEarsLawyer, because when you think about it, there's no way the Warehouse can afford to fire anyone for something as trivial as being a DeadpanSnarker. Also, this troper got the impression they added the character to the show so Artie would have someone to play off of, and to open him up a bit... And perhaps because a regular cast of three is probably a little small.
** And she's soooooooooooooo pretty. :ht:
** Super late to this party, but I have to point out that everything about Claudia that 'bugs' you can be said about Pete: He's snarky and childish, is fairly 'hippifying', doesn't listen very often either, and was suspended just before the show's plot started, meaning he similarly had no 'clearance'. Pretty much a DoubleStandard there.

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* Claudia. Just... fucking Claudia. She's the most irritating character imaginable. She doesn't listen, to the point of almost getting herself killed more than once. She refuses to respect authority and experience. She has no clearance and no actual purpose in the Warehouse other than to "hippify" the cast for the younger generation. (Kids, just so you know, acting like that in your real job will get your snarky ass fired before your first break.) Worst of all, in the behind the scenes footage, the actress is EXACTLY THE SAME as her character. She needs that freckle slapped off her damn cheek! She Just Bugs Me.
** Seems more like a personal problem to me. Claudia is the tech expert, and does all the hacking. She DOES have clearance, because Clearance is not granted by the United States government, it's granted by the Regents which is clearly stated several times over.
** To the job thing, the only alternative to hiring her was ''killing her'' (and firing her now would be the same thing, really), and she is good at what she does.
*** She spent most of her childhood in a mental institution, and it was kinda Artie's fault, so it's really no wonder he lets her get away with a lot.
** Plus, it's not like working at the Warehouse is a normal job. The people who work there obviously have access to quite a lot of top secret information, and also have a tendency to be very, very good at whatever it is they do - Claudia's a tech genius, it was stated in "Breakdown," that Pete and Myka have an extremely high Artifact retrieval rate, ect. They basically all have a licence to be a BunnyEarsLawyer, because when you think about it, there's no way the Warehouse can afford to fire anyone for something as trivial as being a DeadpanSnarker. Also, this troper got the impression they added the character to the show so Artie would have someone to play off of, and to open him up a bit... And perhaps because a regular cast of three is probably a little small.
** And she's soooooooooooooo pretty. :ht:
** Super late to this party, but I have to point out that everything about Claudia that 'bugs' you can be said about Pete: He's snarky and childish, is fairly 'hippifying', doesn't listen very often either, and was suspended just before the show's plot started, meaning he similarly had no 'clearance'. Pretty much a DoubleStandard there.
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* Why is there a row of Harrier Jump Jets (troper is usure (unsure if the jets are the RAF version or the USMC version) in the front of the warehouse? These can be seen in the opening title sequence during a camera pan where the camera's POV goes over the office's balcony and deeper into the warehouse. It may be necessary to do frame by frame to fully see the planes. Troper is interested to find out if these will eventually be incorporated into an episode.



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* Just started watching this series and I'm enjoying it, silly as it is. One thing that bugged me, though. Harriet Tubman's thimble can bend an image, making someone appear as someone else. But how does it change their ''voice''? [=MacPherson=]'s goon pretending to be Artie, Myka pretending to be H.G. Wells, etc. It's all well and good if you just want to project a false image, but unless I'm missing something, they said nothing about the impostor's voice changing to match.

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* Just started watching this series and I'm enjoying it, silly as it is. One thing that bugged me, though. Harriet Tubman's thimble can bend an image, making someone appear as someone else. But how does it change their ''voice''? [=MacPherson=]'s goon pretending to be Artie, Myka pretending to be H.G. Wells, etc. It's all well and good if you just want to project a false image, but unless I'm missing something, they said nothing about the impostor's voice changing to match.



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** This troper doubts it, as the Warehouse is clearly [[spoiler:not a massive burning pile of rubble in The Greatest Gift, yet Trailer the dog is still there]].
** This troper figures that they're canon, but take place some unspecified time during the preceding season, rather than being in order chronologically.

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** This troper doubts it, Probably not, as the Warehouse is clearly [[spoiler:not a massive burning pile of rubble in The Greatest Gift, yet Trailer the dog is still there]].
** This troper figures that Maybe they're canon, but take place some unspecified time during the preceding season, rather than being in order chronologically.



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* PPZ seems to be a pretty progressive fraternity. Two guys just start dancing together and nobody gives them a hard time? Unless frats have changed a lot since this Troper went to college...

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* PPZ seems to be a pretty progressive fraternity. Two guys just start dancing together and nobody gives them a hard time? Unless frats have changed a lot since this Troper went to college...time?

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** Not to mention it's normally covered and probably boxed up. And there's no indication that Alice ever tried the body-switching thing before, so they may not even have known that Alice could get out if the mirror was hit with a bright light.

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** Not to mention it's normally covered and probably boxed up. And there's no indication that Alice ever tried the body-switching thing before, so they may not even have known that Alice could get out if the mirror was hit with a bright light.light.

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