History Headscratchers / VictorianRomanceEmma

10th Feb '15 12:33:51 PM Gaya
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[[folder: Kelly Stownar's legacy]]
Kelly Stownar seems to have been a fairly well-to-do lady. Not rich by any means, but she had a comfortable house with lots of books and nice furniture, jewelry, etc. When she dies, all of this... just disappears into the ether? Emma's left with "a little clothing, and some odds and ends". Al takes some furniture to the house of an old friend of Kelly's... and apart from that, there seems to be no mention of what happens with the rest. Now, it seems to this troper that Kelly was quite alone in the world - widowed at a young age, no children, and no other close relatives to speak of (or, surely, they would have been mentioned at some point?). It seems Emma was the closest Kelly had to a daughter. So, why would she not leave everything to her? She knows Emma has basically nothing in this world, and that inheriting Kelly Stownar's things and money could really set her up in the world and make life much easier for her (and surely, if she had enough money to stop being a maid, that might make her a little more acceptable to the Joneses?)... It's not like Kelly wasn't aware that she was getting on a bit, and she had plenty of chances to call for a lawyer to amend her will if she wanted to...
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10th Feb '15 1:05:39 AM Gaya
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* Really, you would basically have to actively separate them from English-speakers for kids that age not to learn the language of the country they are living in. They are a bit sheltered in the story, but this troper thinks it's fairly safe to assume that they would eventually meet other kids their own age, and once they do, language acquisition should go fast. Kids learn languages much faster than adults, hence why you're quite likely to see the kids of immigrant families acting as interpreters.
19th Jan '15 5:25:03 PM mmada
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* 1872: Richard and Aurelia met in Wiltshire (The first page of volume 5 says "Wiltshire Society, 1872". In a spoiler after Volume 4, Mori wrote that the next volume was going to go back in time "24 years" so 24 years from 1872 puts us in the current year of 1896 when the story begins. It is a fair bet that Aurelia and Richard were married soon after. Also, in the beginning of Volume 1, Kelly tells William that she hadn't seen him for 10 years. The picture on the mantle is of William when he was 13, the last time he saw her (according to him when he talks to Emma). So, it can be assumed that William is 23, which means Aurelia was pregnant very quickly after she and Richard were married. William was then most likely born in 1873.

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* 1872: Richard and Aurelia met in Wiltshire (The first page of volume 5 says "Wiltshire Society, 1872". 1872"). In a spoiler after Volume 4, Mori wrote that the next volume was going to go back in time "24 years" so years". 24 years from 1872 puts us in the current year of 1896 when the story begins. It is a fair bet that Aurelia and Richard were married soon after. Also, in the beginning of Volume 1, Kelly tells William that she hadn't seen him for 10 years. The picture on the mantle is of William when he was 13, the last time he saw her (according 13(according to him when he talks to Emma). So, it can be assumed that William is 23, which As Kelly had the picture taken the year she left the Jones house, this puts William's age at 23. This means Aurelia was pregnant very quickly after she and Richard were married. William was then most likely born in 1873.
19th Jan '15 5:22:17 PM mmada
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* 1872: Richard and Aurelia met in Wiltshire (The first page of volume 5 says "Wiltshire Society, 1872". In a spoiler after Volume 4, Mori wrote that the next volume was going to go back in time "24 years" so 24 years from 1872 puts us in the current year of 1896 when the story begins. It is a fair bet that Aurelia and Richard were married soon after. Also, in the beginning of Volume 1, Kelly tells William that she hadn't seen him for 10 years. The picture on the mantle is of William when he was 13, the last time he saw her (according to him when he talks to Emma). So, it can be assumed that William is 23, which means Aurelia was pregnant very quickly after she and Richard were married. William was then most likely born in 1873.
23rd Sep '14 8:11:32 AM Nuti
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** In his and William's childhood flashback (Extra Story Chapter 9), Hakim was maybe 2-4 inches shorter to William, so they can't have veryveryvery large age gap. I'd say William is 1-3 years older to Hakim. Plus, Indians are typically shorter to caucasians: also when adult, Hakim is slightly shorter to William (see Chapter 6, the library scene, when Emma talks to a librarian and Hakim and William browse the book shelves).
** Emma was 15 when she was employed by Kelly (Chapter 10, see more in Known dates in the series). Given that Kelly employed her after she had quit working as a home teacher, Emma must be less than 25 years old in the present time.

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** In his and William's childhood flashback (Extra Story Chapter 9), Hakim was maybe 2-4 inches shorter to William, so they can't have veryveryvery large age gap. I'd say William is 1-3 years older to Hakim. Plus, Indians are typically shorter to caucasians: Caucasians: also when adult, Hakim is slightly shorter to William (see Chapter 6, the library scene, when Emma talks to a librarian and Hakim and William browse the book shelves).
** Emma was 15 when she was employed by Kelly (Chapter 10, see more in Known dates in the series). Given that Kelly employed her right after she had quit working as a home teacher, Emma must be less than 25 years old in the present time.time.
** In Chapter 15, Emma states that she had worked in Kelly's household for 5-6 years, making Emma 20-21 years old during the events of the main series.
29th Apr '14 1:58:01 PM Nuti
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** Extra Story Chapter 8 states that Erich's parents Wilhelm and Dorothea have been married for eight and half years. Giving the time period and their social status, it can be safely assumed that Dorothea was not pregnant with Erich when they were married. That would make Erich 7 years and 9 months old at max and at least 5 years and 9 months old due to his sister's age.

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** Extra Story Chapter 8 states that Erich's parents Wilhelm and Dorothea have been married for eight and half years. Giving the time period and their social status, it can be safely assumed that Dorothea was not pregnant with Erich when they were married. That would make Erich at most 7 years and 9 months old at max and at least 5 years and 9 months old due to his sister's age.



** They look like late teenagers before the time skip but young men after it.
** Arthur is studying at a boarding school at Eton and he's about to graduate there.

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** They look like late teenagers before the time skip (Arthur is even shorter than Grace, but that may be just that TeensAreShort).
** They look like
young men after it.
the time skip.
** Arthur is studying at a boarding school at Eton and he's about to graduate there. Students there are 13-18 years old, making Arthur perhaps 17-18 years old.
*** The youngest students there, featured in Exta Story Chapter 15, ''can't'' be 13 years old to this troper's eyes!



** She is not totally full grown physically, as in a beach chapter in Extra Stories (yes, there is one, completed with authentic Victorian swimming dresses), she complains about how thin arms she has, and her maid Annie replies that she is just so young.

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** She is not totally full fully grown physically, as in a the beach chapter in Extra Stories (yes, there is one, completed with authentic Victorian swimming dresses), she complains about how thin arms she has, and her maid Annie replies that she is just so young.



** Emma was 15 when she was employed by Kelly (Chapter 10, see more in Known dates in the series).

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** Emma was 15 when she was employed by Kelly (Chapter 10, see more in Known dates in the series). Given that Kelly employed her after she had quit working as a home teacher, Emma must be less than 25 years old in the present time.



** Busted! Her grave stone in Volume 3 claims that she was born in 1838. However, she doesn't reall look like 13 years old in the Extra Story... maybe Kaoru Mori changed her mind?

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** Busted! Her grave stone in Volume 3 claims that she was born in 1838. However, she doesn't reall really look like 13 years old in the Extra Story... maybe Kaoru Mori changed her mind?
29th Apr '14 1:43:39 PM Nuti
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** Extra Story Chapter 8 states that Erich's parents Wilhelm and Dorothea have been married for eight and half years. Giving the time period and their social status, it can be safely assumed that Dorothea was not pregnant with Erich when they were married. That would make Erich 7 years and 9 months old at max and at least 5 years and 9 months old due to his sister's age.



** In the age lineup, she comments, "I am still rather young!" However, she is also Ilse and Erich's mother.

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** In the age lineup, she comments, "I am still rather young!" young." However, she is also Ilse and Erich's mother.



** In the age lineup, he says he is rather young, too. However, he is also Ilse and Erich's father.

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** In the age lineup, he says he is says, "I am rather young, too. too." However, he is also Ilse and Erich's father.father.
** Extra Story Chapter 8 states that Wilhelm and Dorothea have been married for eight and half years. Wilhelm also comments that around the time when he proposed Dorothea, he was old enough to grow mustache without looking silly. That might make him 20-something years old that time and currently on his late twenties or on his thirties.


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** In omake comics sections, Stevens comments that he assumes he won't live long enough to see Colin growing adult.
10th Oct '13 9:11:12 AM Nuti
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** Emma was 15 when she was employed by Kelly (Chapter 10, see more in Known dates in the series).



** Kelly was William's home teacher for four years when he was a child and she was still working as a home teacher (she was possibly around her 50s, see her notes). In the first manga chapter, Kelly jokes about that if William is still wetting his bed, hinting William's age that time.

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** Kelly was William's home teacher for four years when he was a child (roughly ten years ago as Kelly states) and she was still working as a home teacher (she was possibly around her 50s, see her notes). In the first manga chapter, Kelly jokes about that if William is still wetting his bed, hinting William's age that time.



** Given that the series is set to the end of 19th century (basically mid-to-late 1890s?), I guess she could be on her 60s.

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** Given that the series is set to the end of 19th century (basically (or mid-to-late 1890s?), I guess she could be on her 60s.



Here I list some dates that are shown in the series or RL historical dates:

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Here I list some more or less exact dates that are shown in the series or RL historical dates:



* 1890s: Kelly's death year; the events of Victorian Romance Emma. (The numbers 1, 8 and 9 are visible on Kelly's grave stone, but the latest number is blurry.)

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* 1890s: Kelly's death year; the events of Victorian Romance Emma. (The numbers 1, 8 and 9 are visible on Kelly's grave stone, but the latest final number is blurry.)



* Prior that, Kid!William had been taught by Kelly for four years.

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** She was not preteen but 15 years old when Kelly hired her. That was stated in manga Chapter 10.
* Prior that, Kid!William had been taught by Kelly for four years.years roughly a decade ago (in Chapter 1, Kelly states that William "has not changed in ten years").
20th Aug '13 10:56:45 AM Nuti
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20th Aug '13 10:55:37 AM Nuti
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* October 8, 1896: The 5th Extra Story Chapter ("The Times") is basically about people reading (and using) The Times around that time, judging by the date on the newspaper on the cover page.

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* October 8, 1896: The 5th Extra Story Chapter ("The Times") is basically about people reading (and using) The Times around that time, judging by the date on the newspaper on the cover page.
** Judging by where Violet appears, who is with her and what they are talking about in this chapter, most likely this chapter is set after the events of main series but not long after it. So have we found the event year of ''Victorian Romance Emma''?
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