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28th Apr '16 7:01:49 AM KingRaptor
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*** Alicia doesn't turn out to be the sole savior (even if the heroes would have failed but for her interventions as a Valkyria on at least two occasions), but a good portion of the militia/army certainly appear to treat her as such after her awakening. Seriously: some of them kneel and call her a "god-child"; I think that constitutes literal worship. If it weren't for her Valkyria powers, they wouldn't have any expectations of her beyond those they have for any other Squad 7 member; they certainly wouldn't be venerating her. Hell, Faldio went to the extent of shooting her in the first place because of her powers.\\
Sure, she ends up not using her powers again before Maiden's Shield anyway, but she can hardly know that ahead of time. (If she'd thought about it more, she might have figured out (or heard from Rosie or Largo) that Welkin wouldn't order her to do it, but Damon or Varrot might well overrule him if they deemed it justified.)\\
As for 3): Certainly Alicia doesn't know most of the details about Selvaria's motives. And yet: Alicia (already predisposed to think of herself as bearing a unique burden) asks the only other Valkyria she knows why she fights. Selvaria makes a comment about (romantic) love. Half a day later, Selvaria blows herself up. Alicia's going to react to that.


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*** [[labelnote:1]]Welkin's failure to deal with Rosie and Largo's insubordination is indeed a problem with him, but also clearly not what you claimed above ("thought it was a compliment").[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:3]]Faldio engaged in deliberate friendly fire against Welkin's love interest with the intent of turning her into a human weapon. Most people would be plenty angry at that regardless of what the stated reasons were (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant#Second_formulation Kant's second formulation]]). I'll grant that people might very reasonably expect better of Welkin.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:4.5]]The Marmota was on its way to flatten Randgriz for all they know (it wasn't, but what it was doing was probably even worse), and their sole plan to stop it had failed catastrophically. From any sort of realistic POV (as opposed to reading/writing a work of fiction trying for [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism an optimistic depiction]]), Alicia using the Final Flame on the Marmota was ''the correct decision'', and even the complete loss of Squad 7 would be a more than acceptable tradeoff. (The militia regiment loses two whole squads to the Valkof anyway, but they don't exist outside that scene so we don't care about them)[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:5]]Even if its fairly significant to the plot that he uses his wildlife knowledge/common sense to formulate some of his battle plans, even if he didn't have any training in this field he'd still qualify to lead on the basis of his ''military'' training and the fact that he does in fact get things done (or, okay, because his dad was a war hero and he has his own tank). Anyway, it's common sense that the other characters noticably fail to use if they have it, which would be a fair [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] criticism of the story but not a Watsonian one of Welkin.[[/labelnote]] I'll concede 4.0 and 6. [[labelnote:*]]Also, why are 2 and 3 lumped together? They don't have any real connection.[[/labelnote]]
27th Apr '16 5:46:27 AM PurpleAlert
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*** Only if you make excuses for a lot of the crap that happens around Welkin. [[labelnote:1]] He didn't actually do anything about Rosie and Largo, so it really doesn't matter how he felt about it either way. He goes about earning their respect instead, but that's the problem, he's their commanding officer, their opinion of him doesn't dictate whether or not he's in charge.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:2 and 3]] Welkin's entire character is based around the idea that he's intelligent and resourceful and can get out of suicidal situations, but he blows it with Selvaria. That ''would'' be okay, because Selvaria was nearly unstoppable, but Welkin already knows why Faldio shot Alicia before he even goes into Varrot's office, immediately resorts to violence before asking pertinent questions, and condemns Faldio out of hand without offering any better solutions. For a character so heavily centered on succeeding through teamwork and creative solutions, that's a pretty bad fail.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:4]] Alicia may have been doing her best to hide it, but her best was ''crap'', and if Welkin cared about the ethical concerns of falling in love with his sergeant, there wouldn't be a romance plot. She's overwhelmed and near-tears for at least a few scenes toward the end, and holy shit is she ever suicidal, the ''second'' she finds out what the Final Flame is, she jumps at the chance to use it and declares herself already dead, even though there's absolutely no reason for her to do that (not to mention she probably would have flash-fried Squad 7 if she'd succeeded.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote: 5]] Sure they are. Formal education that's supposed to make you superior to the bumpkins and thus more qualified to be in charge, versus basic common sense. They're not mutually exclusive, but they're still opposites. [[/labelnote]] [[labelnote: 6]] True, but since Welkin's officer training gets mentioned maybe once or twice in the entire game, while the Edelweiss and Belgen Gunther get name-dropped in reference to his leadership all the freaking time, it's an InformedAttribute. Even the Zero Punctuation review notes this. [[/labelnote]]
25th Apr '16 7:30:24 PM PurpleAlert
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*** None of that is true. One, she's not the sole savior of Gallia, one of the major themes of the story is that her powers are worthless next to the power of teamwork. Two, handful of (recently devastated, desperate) people, who she only encounters once and never sees again, ask her to save Gallia, ''which she's already doing, she literally joined up to take back her home'', but none of her responsibilities change and nothing comes of it, that's hardly being put on a pedestal. And three, Selvaria can't possibly have made an impression with her devotion to love and duty because Alicia wasn't there to hear any of Selvaria's motivations, because Selvaria deliberately sent Squad 7 away with her own men, and beyond a handful of sentences, that's all the contact they have with each other.
18th Mar '16 2:04:27 AM Atha
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**It looks like Isara was the first to develop it. As far as I know, smoke grenades have never been a big part of trench warfare, so they would probably use the same tactics we used in WWI, such as attacking at night from advanced positions, tanks (which seem to have devolved faster in this setting by the look of the Edelweiss), and artillery strikes softening targets up. Or, if gameplay=story, rushing headfirst toward the trench and shooting the enemy in the head :P. If the infantry was unsupported, then it isn't like handheld smoke grenades would help much (seeing as their range is "as far as you can throw" and the smoke is comparatively minor compared to what the ISARA pumps out).
8th Mar '16 3:19:23 AM KingRaptor
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** Alicia signed up to be an ordinary militia member. Not to be the sole savior of Gallia (and treated as such by almost everyone), an increase in responsibility that might just be daunting to the I-just-wanted-to-be-a-baker small-town girl; also, a lot of people don't like being put on pedestals in general. Then the only other Valkyria she knows[[labelnote:*]]while Alicia are in very different circumstances, Alicia doesn't know the sordid details of Selvaria's childhood, and even if she does they're probably not going to be at the front of her mind[[/labelnote]] blows herself up in the name of love and duty, which is going to leave an impression.

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** Alicia signed up to be an ordinary militia member. Not to be the sole savior of Gallia (and treated as such by almost everyone), an increase in responsibility that might just be daunting to the I-just-wanted-to-be-a-baker small-town girl; also, a lot of people don't like being put on pedestals in general. Then the only other Valkyria she knows[[labelnote:*]]while she and Alicia are in very different circumstances, Alicia doesn't know the sordid details of Selvaria's childhood, and even if she does they're probably not going to be at the front of her mind[[/labelnote]] blows herself up in the name of love and duty, which is going to leave an impression.
8th Mar '16 3:16:48 AM KingRaptor
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*** Literally everything in the above paragraph is either false or at best wholly misleading. [[labelnote:1]]Welkin is clearly depicted ''not'' being pleased with Rosie and Largo's insubordination, which is why he specifically throws down the gauntlet with his "48 hours" wager.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:2]]That Welkin can't figure out how to defeat a literal superhuman who's invulnerable to all known weapons in Gallia's arsenal is not a criticism of Welkin. Selvaria is eventually bested when Faldio figures out how Gallia can get its own superhuman.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:3]]Welkin punches Faldio in an (unsurprising) outburst of anger over Faldio shooting someone he cares about, not because he's losing an argument. The argument doesn't even start until a bit later in the scene anyway.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:4]]Alicia was doing her best to pretend there wasn't a problem, and even when Welkin knows better there's a limit to how much he can press her on the issue without a) being unethical, and/or b) likely making things worse. Also, Alicia is never actually suicidal in the sense implied, she's willing to suicide bomb the Marmota, which is an entirely different kettle of fish.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:5]]Welkin's nature knowledge being actually simple common sense may be true, but is not an opposite.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:6]]Welkin gets made a lieutenant in charge of a squad (a platoon, really) because he had officer training in university, same as Faldio.[[/labelnote]]
28th Feb '16 3:13:35 AM PurpleAlert
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** Because Welkin was apparently born on Opposite Day. He's a military prodigy, but he can't figure out how to stop Selvaria. He's an educated scholar, but when he can't make a good argument, he just punches the other guy in the face. He's a sensitive, romantic hero, but he waits until his girlfriend is suicidal before he pays any attention to her emotionally. He's obsessed with nature and plants, but his useful observations about the environment are just common sense. He's a noob who's never been involved in combat, but he gets a command position because his sister's been maintaining the family tank. Rosie and Largo didn't get punished for insubordination because Welkin probably thought it was a compliment.
31st Jan '16 5:39:42 AM Gorzkiewski
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*** First, because Selvaria was proved to be [[YouHaveFailedMe not-so-unstoppable]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing machine]]. Second, the destruction of Ghirlandaio (and the bulk of Gallian forces) allowed Max to run a second Randgriz offensive.

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*** First, because Selvaria was proved proven to be [[YouHaveFailedMe not-so-unstoppable]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing machine]]. Second, the destruction of Ghirlandaio (and the bulk of Gallian forces) allowed Max to run a second Randgriz offensive.
31st Jan '16 5:33:46 AM Gorzkiewski
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*** First, because Selvaria was proved to be [[YouHaveFailedMe not-so-unstoppable]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing machine]]. Second, the destruction of Ghirlandaio (and the bulk of Gallian forces) allowed Max to run a second Randgriz offensive.
25th Jan '16 4:47:43 AM KingRaptor
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** At least in the Steam version, only Alicia and Rosie (and Isara) wear short skirts. All the other female militia members wear shorts and the male ones long trousers.


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*** Note: the anime and the game diverge in the details here. In the anime (going by the wiki), Damon has Alicia transferred to the regular army after her Valkyria powers are revealed, and it turns out [[spoiler:Alicia and Selvaria were originally held in the same Imperial research facility]].
** Alicia signed up to be an ordinary militia member. Not to be the sole savior of Gallia (and treated as such by almost everyone), an increase in responsibility that might just be daunting to the I-just-wanted-to-be-a-baker small-town girl; also, a lot of people don't like being put on pedestals in general. Then the only other Valkyria she knows[[labelnote:*]]while Alicia are in very different circumstances, Alicia doesn't know the sordid details of Selvaria's childhood, and even if she does they're probably not going to be at the front of her mind[[/labelnote]] blows herself up in the name of love and duty, which is going to leave an impression.


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* Hans in the epilogue. Going by [[spoiler:Isara Jr.'s]] development thus far, at least three or four years have passed since the end of the game... but the porcavian hasn't grown in size at all? (If that's just how big they are at maturity, how did they tell Hans was a juvenile when they first found him?)
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