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14th Jul '16 6:33:51 PM ChazNatlo
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***Same with the original, at least when I played it. A bit head canon-y, but Since the ones with skirts and stockings hold rank, and Gallian military strategy at the time is basically "Send in the lower ranks" maybe the corporals and the sergeants of those classes ''weren't'' supposed to see direct combat, and thus got less practical outfits. Same as Captain Varrot's shin long skirt.
23rd Jun '16 3:06:54 AM slain
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** It's mentioned that aircraft only really got started near the end of EWI. Presumably the Europan equivalent of the Wright Brothers (or whomever you view First Flight to belong to) were born later. In addition, the book's notes about Tank Destroyers explicitly mention anti-aircraft cannons being mounted on them, so it's possible the Empire or the Federation ''have'' some sort of scout/interceptor/bomber craft, they're just too damn rare to use on a tiny nation like Gallia when they're better used on the Empire/Fed border.

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** It's mentioned that aircraft only really got started near basically right before EWII, whereas our world had basic aircraft by the end start of EWI.our first World War. Presumably the Europan equivalent of the Wright Brothers (or whomever you view First Flight to belong to) were born later. In addition, the book's notes about Tank Destroyers explicitly mention anti-aircraft cannons being mounted on them, used as a base for the final cannon, so it's possible the Empire or the Federation ''have'' some sort of scout/interceptor/bomber craft, they're just too damn rare to use on a tiny nation like Gallia when they're better used on the Empire/Fed border.
21st Jun '16 2:36:02 AM slain
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** It's mentioned that aircraft only really got started near the end of EWI. Presumably the Europan equivalent of the Wright Brothers (or whomever you view First Flight to belong to) were born later. In addition, the book's notes about Tank Destroyers explicitly mention anti-aircraft cannons being mounted on them, so it's possible the Empire or the Federation ''have'' some sort of bomber craft, they're just too damn rare to use on a tiny nation like Gallia when they're better used on the Empire/Fed border.

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** It's mentioned that aircraft only really got started near the end of EWI. Presumably the Europan equivalent of the Wright Brothers (or whomever you view First Flight to belong to) were born later. In addition, the book's notes about Tank Destroyers explicitly mention anti-aircraft cannons being mounted on them, so it's possible the Empire or the Federation ''have'' some sort of bomber scout/interceptor/bomber craft, they're just too damn rare to use on a tiny nation like Gallia when they're better used on the Empire/Fed border.
21st Jun '16 2:33:34 AM slain
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** There could be many reasons for lack of airplanes: 1) Aerodynamic research is severly behind in this universe. 2) Ragnite engines are heavier than combustion engines with equal power

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** There could be many reasons for lack of airplanes: 1) Aerodynamic research is severly severely behind in this universe. 2) Ragnite engines are heavier than combustion engines with equal powerpower
** It's mentioned that aircraft only really got started near the end of EWI. Presumably the Europan equivalent of the Wright Brothers (or whomever you view First Flight to belong to) were born later. In addition, the book's notes about Tank Destroyers explicitly mention anti-aircraft cannons being mounted on them, so it's possible the Empire or the Federation ''have'' some sort of bomber craft, they're just too damn rare to use on a tiny nation like Gallia when they're better used on the Empire/Fed border.
7th May '16 5:14:20 PM PurpleAlert
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* Again, she never sees any of those soldiers who "worship" her after that first instance, nothing happens beyond a few randos talking in the background for one scene. Faldio shoots her because of her powers, but frigging ''duh'', she's fighting a war, that she volunteered to fight in full knowledge of what had happened because she was there to see it, and she's the most badass person in her squad, getting shot really shouldn't be a mindblowing concept for someone who not only knows quite well the importance of the war effort but also took a near-fatal bullet and managed not to be injured by it. Selvaria falls in love and blows herself up, but Alicia has no context for what any of that meant and didn't try to blow herself up for the sake of love ''or'' duty, so that's irrelevant anyway. Selvaria's death didn't show Alicia anything except that the Final Flame is a power that she has access to, and she immediately used it to kill herself because of her self-loathing. Love and duty had nothing to do with it beyond getting some practical use out of her own suicide, you can tell because she starts the self-detonation while Welkin is within a few seconds' running distance, she wasn't really thinking about anyone but herself at that point.
7th May '16 5:02:54 PM PurpleAlert
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*** Not really. She lost ''one' fight against another Valkyria, and it's been pointed out in other places that Selvaria really didn't need to use the final flame to wipe out the Gallian army, she only did it because she was ordered to and was too heartbroken to refuse ''because'' she'd been ordered to. She might be slightly less invincible than power-eruption-crazed Alicia, but Selvaria deliberately lost the battle at Ghirlandaio as part of the final flame plan, she's still completely invincible to normal bullets whenever she wants. If he were obsessed with her powers so much that he didn't care if she lived or died or had any human dignity, there's literally no reason to kill her, especially since "that place" still exists and can most likely still use a living test subject since it's working on his artificial Valkyria power armor.

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*** Not really. She lost ''one' ''one'' fight against another Valkyria, and it's been pointed out in other places that Selvaria really didn't need to use the final flame to wipe out the Gallian army, she only did it because she was ordered to and was too heartbroken to refuse ''because'' she'd been ordered to. She might be slightly less invincible than power-eruption-crazed Alicia, but Selvaria deliberately lost the battle at Ghirlandaio as part of the final flame plan, she's still completely invincible to normal bullets whenever she wants. If he were obsessed with her powers so much that he didn't care if she lived or died or had any human dignity, there's literally no reason to kill her, especially since "that place" still exists and can most likely still use a living test subject since it's working on his artificial Valkyria power armor.
7th May '16 5:00:20 PM PurpleAlert
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**** Not really. She lost ''one' fight against another Valkyria, and it's been pointed out in other places that Selvaria really didn't need to use the final flame to wipe out the Gallian army, she only did it because she was ordered to and was too heartbroken to refuse ''because'' she'd been ordered to. She might be slightly less invincible than power-eruption-crazed Alicia, but Selvaria deliberately lost the battle at Ghirlandaio as part of the final flame plan, she's still completely invincible to normal bullets whenever she wants. If he were obsessed with her powers so much that he didn't care if she lived or died or had any human dignity, there's literally no reason to kill her, especially since "that place" still exists and can most likely still use a living test subject since it's working on his artificial Valkyria power armor.
28th Apr '16 7:01:49 AM KingRaptor
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*** Alicia doesn't turn out to be the sole savior (even if the heroes would have failed but for her interventions as a Valkyria on at least two occasions), but a good portion of the militia/army certainly appear to treat her as such after her awakening. Seriously: some of them kneel and call her a "god-child"; I think that constitutes literal worship. If it weren't for her Valkyria powers, they wouldn't have any expectations of her beyond those they have for any other Squad 7 member; they certainly wouldn't be venerating her. Hell, Faldio went to the extent of shooting her in the first place because of her powers.\\
Sure, she ends up not using her powers again before Maiden's Shield anyway, but she can hardly know that ahead of time. (If she'd thought about it more, she might have figured out (or heard from Rosie or Largo) that Welkin wouldn't order her to do it, but Damon or Varrot might well overrule him if they deemed it justified.)\\
As for 3): Certainly Alicia doesn't know most of the details about Selvaria's motives. And yet: Alicia (already predisposed to think of herself as bearing a unique burden) asks the only other Valkyria she knows why she fights. Selvaria makes a comment about (romantic) love. Half a day later, Selvaria blows herself up. Alicia's going to react to that.


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*** [[labelnote:1]]Welkin's failure to deal with Rosie and Largo's insubordination is indeed a problem with him, but also clearly not what you claimed above ("thought it was a compliment").[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:3]]Faldio engaged in deliberate friendly fire against Welkin's love interest with the intent of turning her into a human weapon. Most people would be plenty angry at that regardless of what the stated reasons were (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant#Second_formulation Kant's second formulation]]). I'll grant that people might very reasonably expect better of Welkin.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:4.5]]The Marmota was on its way to flatten Randgriz for all they know (it wasn't, but what it was doing was probably even worse), and their sole plan to stop it had failed catastrophically. From any sort of realistic POV (as opposed to reading/writing a work of fiction trying for [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism an optimistic depiction]]), Alicia using the Final Flame on the Marmota was ''the correct decision'', and even the complete loss of Squad 7 would be a more than acceptable tradeoff. (The militia regiment loses two whole squads to the Valkof anyway, but they don't exist outside that scene so we don't care about them)[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:5]]Even if its fairly significant to the plot that he uses his wildlife knowledge/common sense to formulate some of his battle plans, even if he didn't have any training in this field he'd still qualify to lead on the basis of his ''military'' training and the fact that he does in fact get things done (or, okay, because his dad was a war hero and he has his own tank). Anyway, it's common sense that the other characters noticably fail to use if they have it, which would be a fair [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] criticism of the story but not a Watsonian one of Welkin.[[/labelnote]] I'll concede 4.0 and 6. [[labelnote:*]]Also, why are 2 and 3 lumped together? They don't have any real connection.[[/labelnote]]
27th Apr '16 5:46:27 AM PurpleAlert
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*** Only if you make excuses for a lot of the crap that happens around Welkin. [[labelnote:1]] He didn't actually do anything about Rosie and Largo, so it really doesn't matter how he felt about it either way. He goes about earning their respect instead, but that's the problem, he's their commanding officer, their opinion of him doesn't dictate whether or not he's in charge.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:2 and 3]] Welkin's entire character is based around the idea that he's intelligent and resourceful and can get out of suicidal situations, but he blows it with Selvaria. That ''would'' be okay, because Selvaria was nearly unstoppable, but Welkin already knows why Faldio shot Alicia before he even goes into Varrot's office, immediately resorts to violence before asking pertinent questions, and condemns Faldio out of hand without offering any better solutions. For a character so heavily centered on succeeding through teamwork and creative solutions, that's a pretty bad fail.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:4]] Alicia may have been doing her best to hide it, but her best was ''crap'', and if Welkin cared about the ethical concerns of falling in love with his sergeant, there wouldn't be a romance plot. She's overwhelmed and near-tears for at least a few scenes toward the end, and holy shit is she ever suicidal, the ''second'' she finds out what the Final Flame is, she jumps at the chance to use it and declares herself already dead, even though there's absolutely no reason for her to do that (not to mention she probably would have flash-fried Squad 7 if she'd succeeded.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote: 5]] Sure they are. Formal education that's supposed to make you superior to the bumpkins and thus more qualified to be in charge, versus basic common sense. They're not mutually exclusive, but they're still opposites. [[/labelnote]] [[labelnote: 6]] True, but since Welkin's officer training gets mentioned maybe once or twice in the entire game, while the Edelweiss and Belgen Gunther get name-dropped in reference to his leadership all the freaking time, it's an InformedAttribute. Even the Zero Punctuation review notes this. [[/labelnote]]
25th Apr '16 7:30:24 PM PurpleAlert
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*** None of that is true. One, she's not the sole savior of Gallia, one of the major themes of the story is that her powers are worthless next to the power of teamwork. Two, handful of (recently devastated, desperate) people, who she only encounters once and never sees again, ask her to save Gallia, ''which she's already doing, she literally joined up to take back her home'', but none of her responsibilities change and nothing comes of it, that's hardly being put on a pedestal. And three, Selvaria can't possibly have made an impression with her devotion to love and duty because Alicia wasn't there to hear any of Selvaria's motivations, because Selvaria deliberately sent Squad 7 away with her own men, and beyond a handful of sentences, that's all the contact they have with each other.
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