History Headscratchers / TomorrowNeverDies

28th Dec '15 5:42:10 PM Thunderchin
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* As far as the world is concerned, Carver is a legitimate multinational businessman. When Bond breaks into one of his offices, he's pursued by armed thugs who keep trying to kill him. They're security guards, not military. Why try to kill him instead of capture him or report him to the authorities?

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\n** The satellite was very obviously a mock-up.

* As far as the world is concerned, Carver is a legitimate multinational businessman. When Bond breaks into one of his offices, he's pursued by armed thugs who keep trying to kill him. They're security guards, not military. Why try to kill him instead of capture him or report him to the authorities?authorities?
** Bond knows too much - and, in police custody, he could still contact MI6 for aid and to relay information.
10th Dec '15 8:36:24 PM Lawyerdude
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** Gupta based on a couple of appearances is not all that bright in some areas, being something of a slob to Carver's tastes. It's actually a masterstroke in a way, if MI6 are sniffing around they would be looking to said clean room or launch site. Given how powerful Carver is a Hamburg office building would be maybe the fiftieth place they look.

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** Gupta based on a couple of appearances is not all that bright in some areas, being something of a slob to Carver's tastes. It's actually a masterstroke in a way, if MI6 are sniffing around they would be looking to said clean room or launch site. Given how powerful Carver is a Hamburg office building would be maybe the fiftieth place they look.look.

* As far as the world is concerned, Carver is a legitimate multinational businessman. When Bond breaks into one of his offices, he's pursued by armed thugs who keep trying to kill him. They're security guards, not military. Why try to kill him instead of capture him or report him to the authorities?
15th Nov '15 12:09:20 PM nombretomado
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** The use, or even the threat of use, of nuclear weapons in a conflict is now considered a Crime Against Humanity. Nukes are really for show, or as a last resort. The fact is that two nuclear powers going to war does not mean that said war will be nuclear; the only reason it was ever an issue was due to the United States and Russia having a policy of Mutually Assured Destruction (in the event of war, both sides would immediately resort to nukes, thus war was a very, very bad idea), and that was abandoned under RonaldReagan of all people (the feeling being, the fact that war would be insane just wasn't safe enough). Nukes were not brought up because, the simple fact is, in RealLife they wouldn't be.

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** The use, or even the threat of use, of nuclear weapons in a conflict is now considered a Crime Against Humanity. Nukes are really for show, or as a last resort. The fact is that two nuclear powers going to war does not mean that said war will be nuclear; the only reason it was ever an issue was due to the United States and Russia having a policy of Mutually Assured Destruction (in the event of war, both sides would immediately resort to nukes, thus war was a very, very bad idea), and that was abandoned under RonaldReagan UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan of all people (the feeling being, the fact that war would be insane just wasn't safe enough). Nukes were not brought up because, the simple fact is, in RealLife they wouldn't be.
12th Nov '15 2:26:00 AM tsstevens
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** Related to this, but why was a very expensive and likely highly sensitive satellite being idly kept in a Hamburg office building? Shouldn't it have been in a clean room, or at the launch site?

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** Related to this, but why was a very expensive and likely highly sensitive satellite being idly kept in a Hamburg office building? Shouldn't it have been in a clean room, or at the launch site?site?
** Gupta based on a couple of appearances is not all that bright in some areas, being something of a slob to Carver's tastes. It's actually a masterstroke in a way, if MI6 are sniffing around they would be looking to said clean room or launch site. Given how powerful Carver is a Hamburg office building would be maybe the fiftieth place they look.
11th Nov '15 8:14:16 PM LtFedora
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** Pick one. Or both. The drugs, adult magazines and bundles of money are to show they're dirty. Since Gupta was told to place the decoder in a safe place it's probably his.

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** Pick one. Or both. The drugs, adult magazines and bundles of money are to show they're dirty. Since Gupta was told to place the decoder in a safe place it's probably his.his.
** Related to this, but why was a very expensive and likely highly sensitive satellite being idly kept in a Hamburg office building? Shouldn't it have been in a clean room, or at the launch site?
10th Aug '15 4:56:24 AM tsstevens
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* This seems like a minor thing, but when Bond is breaking into Carver's headquarters and finds the encoder in the safe, he picks up some drugs (looks like crystal meth, but don't quote me). Were those Carver's or Gupta's?

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* This seems like a minor thing, but when Bond is breaking into Carver's headquarters and finds the encoder in the safe, he picks up some drugs (looks like crystal meth, but don't quote me). Were those Carver's or Gupta's?Gupta's?
** Pick one. Or both. The drugs, adult magazines and bundles of money are to show they're dirty. Since Gupta was told to place the decoder in a safe place it's probably his.
23rd Jul '15 6:06:32 AM jlsmout
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** The above two tropers are correct. I think that "Beijing" here is being used in the same way that we Brits use "Westminster", and the Americans use "Washington" as shorthand for their respective governments. Besides, nowhere is it mentioned that the missile being launched at the city is nuclear.
21st Jun '15 12:32:16 PM dmcreif
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** I think Carver only wanted to take out the Beijing government quarter. Obviously, Carver wouldn't want to accidentally kill the ally since General Change was important to his plans and it wasn't quite yet time to eliminate him.

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** I think Carver only wanted to take out the Beijing government quarter. Obviously, Carver wouldn't want to accidentally kill the ally since General Change Chang was important to his plans and it wasn't quite yet time to eliminate him.
11th Jun '15 11:40:41 AM Lightning4119
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** I think Carver only wanted to take out the Beijing government quarter. Obviously, Carver wouldn't want to accidentally kill the ally since General Change was important to his plans and it wasn't quite yet time to eliminate him.

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** I think Carver only wanted to take out the Beijing government quarter. Obviously, Carver wouldn't want to accidentally kill the ally since General Change was important to his plans and it wasn't quite yet time to eliminate him.him.
** Gupta's a bit of a ham, he was probably just exaggerating. Besides, if they nuked Beijing, there's ''absolutely no way'' that China would let that lie, regardless of how they spun it.

* This seems like a minor thing, but when Bond is breaking into Carver's headquarters and finds the encoder in the safe, he picks up some drugs (looks like crystal meth, but don't quote me). Were those Carver's or Gupta's?
1st Jun '15 8:23:08 PM dmcreif
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* Something that's always bothered me: was the plan to nuke the entirety of Beijing, or just the government quarter to take out the current leadership? As he's expositing the plan, Carver seems to suggest that his ally, General Chang, is going to be ''in'' the city and "delayed in traffic" until after the missile has killed China's leaders, leaving him to take over the government and negotiate a truce. But, Gupta says "Press the magic button, Beijing disappears." According to Wikipedia, HMS ''Devonshire'' was a Type 23 frigate and those don't seem to carry a nuclear armament.

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* Something that's always bothered me: was the plan to nuke the entirety of Beijing, or just the government quarter to take out the current leadership? As he's expositing the plan, Carver seems to suggest that his ally, General Chang, is going to be ''in'' the city and "delayed in traffic" until after the missile has killed China's leaders, leaving him to take over the government and negotiate a truce. But, Gupta says "Press the magic button, Beijing disappears." According to Wikipedia, HMS ''Devonshire'' was a Type 23 frigate and those don't seem to carry a nuclear armament.armament.
**I think Carver only wanted to take out the Beijing government quarter. Obviously, Carver wouldn't want to accidentally kill the ally since General Change was important to his plans and it wasn't quite yet time to eliminate him.
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