History Headscratchers / TheWorldGodOnlyKnows

3rd Jun '15 7:33:38 AM TheNerfGuy
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** It's been aaages since I last read a Keima 3D rant, but I seem to recall reading it as more like "real girls aren't as impossibly {{moe moe}} as VN girls", which... doesn't hold very true in the TWGOK universe either, but I try not to think about it too much. Maybe the point is that Keima's just been oblivious to all the TruthInTelevision before Elsee forced him to open up to RealLife?

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** It's been aaages since I last read a Keima 3D rant, but I seem to recall reading it as more like "real girls aren't as impossibly {{moe moe}} {{Moe}} as VN girls", which... doesn't hold very true in the TWGOK universe either, but I try not to think about it too much. Maybe the point is that Keima's just been oblivious to all the TruthInTelevision before Elsee forced him to open up to RealLife?
17th Apr '15 10:24:47 AM Discar
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*** Sounds about right. Here, have a cookie.
*** Think of Real Girls as Bosses. Although they might be more difficult than Game Girls, they're still beatable by the same skills.

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*** ** Sounds about right. Here, have a cookie.
*** ** Think of Real Girls as Bosses. Although they might be more difficult than Game Girls, they're still beatable by the same skills.



*** Or they could just convince them to get a sperm donation. Considerably less creepy, and the girl would be less likely to get an abortion for something they agreed to.
*** The problem with that one is that the spirits can only influence their hosts, not say outright "hey, you should ''really'' get pregnant." Maybe they can talk when they get stronger. Any of these work.
**** Two words: ''SPIRIT HORMONES''.

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*** ** Or they could just convince them to get a sperm donation. Considerably less creepy, and the girl would be less likely to get an abortion for something they agreed to.
*** ** The problem with that one is that the spirits can only influence their hosts, not say outright "hey, you should ''really'' get pregnant." Maybe they can talk when they get stronger. Any of these work.
**** ** Two words: ''SPIRIT HORMONES''.



*** Maybe the sensor was only recently modified. Or the other goddesses simply didn't dare to "activate" in public.

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*** ** Maybe the sensor was only recently modified. Or the other goddesses simply didn't dare to "activate" in public.



*** It is possible that the other goddesses didn't have enough power to manifest, but I find that highly doubtful as Vulcan seems to have appeared before or at the same time as Apollo (since Tsukiyo is quite familiar with her and seems to have accepted her existence, and her power has come back to her as well while Apollo is still weak). Vulcan might even be more reckless, since she is the only goddess so far who actually uses her power in the presence of a normal person (it's lucky that Keima isn't actually normal, but what if he is? Rumours will go everywhere). Also, the sensor has a fairly long range seen in chapter 115. Therefore, I still believe that the other goddesses (esp Vulcan) should have been detected before Apollo
**** That range doesn't have to be long at all; Kanon's outside getting into a car and Fiore could be very close on the street, the following page even has her lit up by the light coming from the building. It's actually said straight out that the sensor has very poor range seen in chapter 118. Also Vulcan likely appeared as a result of Tsukiyo's anger in reaction to Kanon's confession. Given that Vulcan communicates through Luna, it would not be surprising at all for Tsukiyo to accept and become familiar with her in a relatively short time. The quick power gain on behalf of Vulcan as opposed to Apollo would just mean that Tsukiyo has more affection for Keima than Kanon does, not that she's been there longer (Tenri/Diana has less power than the others despite Diana having been conscious for the past 10 years). Keep in mind also that Vulcan is on the roof of the school, well out of distance of the radar where Fiore stands on the ground.
**** Note that the Diana Vs. Vulcan example is not valid since Diana ''has'' a point: a girl who has loved Keima for 10 years has obviously more love than a girl who's loved him for...what, a couple of months? Vulcan explicitly mentions her special power is to manipulate inanimate objects, which is why she could do so much flashy stuff. Apollo had not even manifested a halo until Kanon confessed; the reason Vulcan already had one is probably because Keima "reciprocated" in Tsukiyo's conquest, whereas he "rejected" Kanon in hers, even though he said it in a way that let her know he was "reluctant". Diana later deduces the exact reasons for why her power doesn't return despite Tenri's long-held love for Keima, so there's that too. The issue with the range is probably the above explanation that Fiore really just got lucky, and that Apollo is, by her own admission, an idiot. If Apollo hand't run off and had stuck with Keima, the Goddess Arc could have gone any different number of ways though, including ones where Keima did not develop as splendidly as he did, so...

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*** ** It is possible that the other goddesses didn't have enough power to manifest, but I find that highly doubtful as Vulcan seems to have appeared before or at the same time as Apollo (since Tsukiyo is quite familiar with her and seems to have accepted her existence, and her power has come back to her as well while Apollo is still weak). Vulcan might even be more reckless, since she is the only goddess so far who actually uses her power in the presence of a normal person (it's lucky that Keima isn't actually normal, but what if he is? Rumours will go everywhere). Also, the sensor has a fairly long range seen in chapter 115. Therefore, I still believe that the other goddesses (esp Vulcan) should have been detected before Apollo
**** ** That range doesn't have to be long at all; Kanon's outside getting into a car and Fiore could be very close on the street, the following page even has her lit up by the light coming from the building. It's actually said straight out that the sensor has very poor range seen in chapter 118. Also Vulcan likely appeared as a result of Tsukiyo's anger in reaction to Kanon's confession. Given that Vulcan communicates through Luna, it would not be surprising at all for Tsukiyo to accept and become familiar with her in a relatively short time. The quick power gain on behalf of Vulcan as opposed to Apollo would just mean that Tsukiyo has more affection for Keima than Kanon does, not that she's been there longer (Tenri/Diana has less power than the others despite Diana having been conscious for the past 10 years). Keep in mind also that Vulcan is on the roof of the school, well out of distance of the radar where Fiore stands on the ground.
**** ** Note that the Diana Vs. Vulcan example is not valid since Diana ''has'' a point: a girl who has loved Keima for 10 years has obviously more love than a girl who's loved him for...what, a couple of months? Vulcan explicitly mentions her special power is to manipulate inanimate objects, which is why she could do so much flashy stuff. Apollo had not even manifested a halo until Kanon confessed; the reason Vulcan already had one is probably because Keima "reciprocated" in Tsukiyo's conquest, whereas he "rejected" Kanon in hers, even though he said it in a way that let her know he was "reluctant". Diana later deduces the exact reasons for why her power doesn't return despite Tenri's long-held love for Keima, so there's that too. The issue with the range is probably the above explanation that Fiore really just got lucky, and that Apollo is, by her own admission, an idiot. If Apollo hand't run off and had stuck with Keima, the Goddess Arc could have gone any different number of ways though, including ones where Keima did not develop as splendidly as he did, so...



*** You've seen/heard how ''Twilight''/Justin Beiber fans act, have you not?

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*** ** You've seen/heard how ''Twilight''/Justin Beiber fans act, have you not?



*** Which is actually often true in real life as well - at first the duties are assigned to those that want them to the point of nagging, and then after some time the teachers realize that it's better to get somebody more mature for the job. Granted, in children it's very easy to mistake "quiet" for "mature" if the teacher isn't paying that much attention. Besides that, it's possible that Shiori did ask to become a librarian - after all, she knows how to write petitions - and the teachers agreed, possibly thinking that this way she'll have to deal with more people and become a little less shy (of course, we now know it wasn't due to her shyness that she was quiet, but that's another story).
*** Having the role dumped on her seems unlikely - in a classroom it might work, but there's a whole school of people who could volunteer, and probably some who find it easier to socialise but are still [[ExtremeDoormat pushovers]] who could be handed the post. It's more likely that she either filled in a form or was asked to join because she was around the library all the time and whoever asked actually gave her time to get her answer out (perhaps expecting her to want a moment to consider it) or just wouldn't take no for an answer.

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*** ** Which is actually often true in real life as well - at first the duties are assigned to those that want them to the point of nagging, and then after some time the teachers realize that it's better to get somebody more mature for the job. Granted, in children it's very easy to mistake "quiet" for "mature" if the teacher isn't paying that much attention. Besides that, it's possible that Shiori did ask to become a librarian - after all, she knows how to write petitions - and the teachers agreed, possibly thinking that this way she'll have to deal with more people and become a little less shy (of course, we now know it wasn't due to her shyness that she was quiet, but that's another story).
*** ** Having the role dumped on her seems unlikely - in a classroom it might work, but there's a whole school of people who could volunteer, and probably some who find it easier to socialise but are still [[ExtremeDoormat pushovers]] who could be handed the post. It's more likely that she either filled in a form or was asked to join because she was around the library all the time and whoever asked actually gave her time to get her answer out (perhaps expecting her to want a moment to consider it) or just wouldn't take no for an answer.



*** Later revealed that [[spoiler: a device used by vintage in the past was used by Keima to open the gaps in the hearts of the girls he was going to conquer years later, so it is possible that Keima's methods work as the girls may not have had the gaps in the first place.]]

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*** ** Later revealed that [[spoiler: a device used by vintage in the past was used by Keima to open the gaps in the hearts of the girls he was going to conquer years later, so it is possible that Keima's methods work as the girls may not have had the gaps in the first place.]]



* Also, it later says that there were rumors that someone had beaten the game, but nobody else ever managed it. If Keima beat the game, why wouldn't he post it on his website? You know, the one that's canonically insanely popular and dedicated to explaining how to beat difficult games? As far as we know, all it took to beat it was a simple combination of choices, so it should be easy to verify, unless nobody even bothered to play the game again.
* In that episode, Keima said that he can't save the game because his PFP will stop working. If so, why not use his other spare PFPs?. A later episode showed him pulling off six of them at once.

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* ** Also, it later says that there were rumors that someone had beaten the game, but nobody else ever managed it. If Keima beat the game, why wouldn't he post it on his website? You know, the one that's canonically insanely popular and dedicated to explaining how to beat difficult games? As far as we know, all it took to beat it was a simple combination of choices, so it should be easy to verify, unless nobody even bothered to play the game again.
* ** In that episode, Keima said that he can't save the game because his PFP will stop working. If so, why not use his other spare PFPs?. A later episode showed him pulling off six of them at once.
16th Apr '15 6:45:18 PM FALLOFALL
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*In that episode, Keima said that he can't save the game because his PFP will stop working. If so, why not use his other spare PFPs?. A later episode showed him pulling off six of them at once.
5th Jul '14 1:28:51 PM Ceyx
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* Also, it later says that there were rumors that someone had beaten the game, but nobody else ever managed it. If Keima beat the game, why wouldn't he post it on his website? You know, the one that's canonically insanely popular and dedicated to explaining how to beat difficult games? As far as we know, all it took to beat it was a simple combination of choices, so it should be easy to verify, unless nobody even bothered to play the game again.
5th Jul '14 1:14:02 PM Ceyx
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** There's also the fact that in games, you don't have to deal with all the stuff in between achieving flags and the "good stuff."
13th Apr '14 8:01:07 PM Kazeto
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** I won't answer everything here. But I will say this: who says we have to know absolutely everything? Some details can be left out, really, and the stuff about how some things were done that you ask about is something that could be left out without us really losing anything there.
11th Apr '14 7:30:50 PM AKITN
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* I'm honestly not sure what's going on anymore. The arc opened with Keima randomly visiting parallel universes after a week of not going to school, but then cuts to show the goddesses converging on a comatose Keima, who is giving off the black aura of a Weiss. This never gets explained. They then [[MentalTimeTravel send his mind to the past]] so that he can create a StableTimeLoop. The goddesses get warned to not fight, because if they fight, a lot of people will suffer and the enemy will win. The plot makes a big deal out of Satyr. Ok, bound to get messy because of TimeTravel, but understandable so far. The Urara and Kaori arcs happen. Fastforward to the Lune vs. Nikaidokuro fight, and it starts losing coherency fast. TIME BREAKS, Elsie vanishes without a trace in the past (which completely stops in its tracks), then the goddesses plus Kid-Keima-in-Teen-Keima's-body end up in a white void. They then manage to somehow jumpstart time in order to speak with Keima in the past, then make a big deal of Keima's letter to Tenri before cutting it off at what could have been considered the big reveal of the letter. The contents of said letter have never been mentioned again a few chapters later, with the manga nearing its end. Keima creates his loop, the goddesses summon him back, but he doesn't regain consciousness. He then wakes up in some kind of mental plane to talk with Elsie, who reveals '''she's a freakin' WeaponOfMassDestruction reincarnated as a New Devil.''' Then she removes Keima's collar, and then Keima wakes up in the beach, surrounded by the goddesses' hosts. All throughout this, Haqua, Nora and Rimyuel manage to roflstomp Satyr offscreen. Cut to Keima waking up in his room. Surprise, Elsie, now Eri, has now always been his little sister. We even get a panel of Haqua showing that she's forgotten about Elsie. And then Keima goes and confesses to Chihiro. ||||| I seriously don't know what's happening any more. There's quite a few plot jumps in the arc, and a LOT of things that got rushed or were left unexplained. For example, we never learned what Tenri was talking with Diana about near the end of the Goddess Saga that allowed her to gain her wings immediately. We don't know how Dokuro managed to become Nikaido. We don't know exactly what the whole deal was with Satyr, since they were made out to be the {{Big Bad}}s but then got taken down offscreen with a few steps of the process being shown to us. We don't know how Elsie managed to pull off the stuff she did. I hope Wakaki will at least explain some of these stuff in the final chapter, or at least address it via WordOfGod. As it stands, I can't believe I'm actually considering a whole chunk of my favorite manga as potential FanonDiscontinuity. '''Now, I have been reading the arc in chunks, so forgive me if I messed something up in my summary of why I don't quite get what's going on in the arc.'''
24th Dec '13 7:03:34 AM Seipekili
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*** Later revealed that a device used by vintage in the past was used by Keima to open the gaps in the hearts of the girls he was going to conquer years later, so it is possible that Keima's methods work as the girls may not have had the gaps in the first place.

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*** Later revealed that [[spoiler: a device used by vintage in the past was used by Keima to open the gaps in the hearts of the girls he was going to conquer years later, so it is possible that Keima's methods work as the girls may not have had the gaps in the first place.
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24th Dec '13 7:01:26 AM Seipekili
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***Later revealed that a device used by vintage in the past was used by Keima to open the gaps in the hearts of the girls he was going to conquer years later, so it is possible that Keima's methods work as the girls may not have had the gaps in the first place.
13th Sep '13 10:17:10 PM memememememe
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** This is the same guy who was playing the game in the first place because he wanted to "save" a poorly-written fictional character. He probably would think hacking the game would be "cheating," and wouldn't count.

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** This is the same guy who was playing the game in the first place because he wanted to "save" a poorly-written fictional character. [[HonorBeforeReason He probably would think hacking the game would be "cheating," and wouldn't count.
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