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27th Aug '16 12:47:58 PM dmcreif
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[[folder:The bounty on Omar]]

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** Wallace puts Stinkum at the scene, too. Quoth [=McNulty=], "Picks out Wee-Bey, Bird and Stinkum from photo arrays. Puts 'em all up at the Greek's the night they grab up Omar's boy, Brandon." The best story you can piece together from that is that all three enforcers ''were'' at the Greek's, but only Wee-Bey and Bird were responsible for anything that happened after they hauled Brandon out of there (neither Omar nor Wallace would have any way to know what happened after that point), though that seems a little weird. Or... the writers just thought a four-way split of the bounty seemed more dramatic.
** If we're being technical, Poot (who, if we recall, was actually the one who noticed and successfully identified Brandon as the stick-up guy) should also have gotten a cut. However, this one is more easily explained: he probably asked Wallace and possibly D'Angelo to keep his name out of it; that's consistent with his character development. Why Stinkum was omitted is still unknown. Unless maybe he just volunteered to do it for free because, I dunno, he gets excited by turning gay stick-up guys into ashtrays.

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** Wallace puts put Stinkum at the scene, too. Quoth [=McNulty=], "Picks out Wee-Bey, Bird and Stinkum from photo arrays. Puts 'em all up at the Greek's the night they grab up Omar's boy, Brandon." The best story you can piece together from that is that all three enforcers ''were'' at the Greek's, but only Wee-Bey and Bird were responsible for anything that happened after they hauled Brandon out of there (neither Omar nor Wallace would have any way to know what happened after that point), though that seems a little weird. Or... the writers just thought a four-way split of the bounty seemed more dramatic.
** If we're being technical, Poot (who, if we recall, was actually the one who noticed and successfully identified Brandon as the stick-up guy) should also have gotten a cut. However, this one is more easily explained: he probably asked Wallace and possibly D'Angelo to keep his name out of it; that's consistent with his character development. Why Stinkum was omitted is still unknown. Unless maybe he just volunteered to do it for free because, I dunno, because he gets excited by saw turning gay stick-up guys into ashtrays.ashtrays as a necessity to the job.



** That one doesn't bother me as much because there are so many complicating factors. Kima had been self-destructing [=McNulty=]-style, and there were legitimate questions about the extent to which she was committed to being a parent, if at all. Also, the relationship was new and the partner may have been thinking more in terms of wait-and-see rather than have a potentially messy conflict with her ex immediately. Keeping the news from Kima wasn't a good decision, but it's the kind of mistake even smart, capable people can make.

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** That one doesn't bother me as much because there are so many complicating factors. Kima had has been self-destructing [=McNulty=]-style, going on a [=McNulty=]-style path of destruction, and there were legitimate questions about the extent to which she was committed to being a parent, if at all. Also, the relationship was new and the partner may have been thinking more in terms of wait-and-see rather than have a potentially messy conflict with her ex immediately. Keeping the news from Kima wasn't a good decision, but it's the kind of mistake even smart, capable people can make.



* Three things, all from The Target. Why is the epigraph "...when it's not your turn", when [=McNulty=] clearly says "when it ain't your turn."? Why does [=McNulty=] say that D is cousin to Avon Barksdale? And why is Johnny's hair blonde for the episode but then brown/black for the rest of the series?
** The "when it's not your turn" thing is a reference to the rotation. When a murder comes in, someone takes it, they move to the back of the line. So, they take turns "giving a shit" about murdered people. [=McNulty=] was taking an interest in a case that wasn't his. In a larger sense, it's a comment on the overall apathetic nature of police and people in general. Nobody really gives a shit. They get paid to, they work it a bit, and they take up a new case when their turn comes back around.

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* Three things, all from The Target. Why is the epigraph "...when it's not your turn", when [=McNulty=] clearly says "when it ain't your turn."? Why does [=McNulty=] say that D D'Angelo is cousin to Avon Barksdale? And why is Johnny's hair blonde for the episode but then brown/black for the rest of the series?
** The "when it's not your turn" thing is a reference to the rotation.rotation that Rawls describes. When a murder comes in, someone takes it, they move to the back of the line. So, they take turns "giving a shit" about murdered people. [=McNulty=] was taking an interest in a case that wasn't his. In a larger sense, it's a comment on the overall apathetic nature of police and people in general. Nobody really gives a shit. They get paid to, they work it a bit, and they take up a new case when their turn comes back around.



*** In subsequent episodes, D is Avon's nephew - he's the son of Avon's sister Brianna. However, probably [=McNulty=] was just ''wrong'' in saying they were cousins. I seem to recall Avon calling D 'cuz' in the first episode, but Stringer does too.

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*** In subsequent episodes, D ***D'Angelo is Avon's nephew - he's the son of Avon's sister Brianna. However, probably [=McNulty=] was just ''wrong'' in saying they were cousins. I seem to recall Avon calling D 'cuz' in the first episode, but Stringer does too.



** Colvin may not have been willing or able to take another child in, especially one whom he hadn't been building a relationship with beforehand. Additionally, Namond and Randy might not be friends any more since Randy has been branded a snitch. Also, Randy has not-unjustified disgust for the police after what happened and would probably have objected to living with one. It probably should have been addressed in dialogue, but I wouldn't call it an IdiotBall moment for any character.

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** Colvin may not have been willing or able to take another child in, especially one whom he hadn't been building a relationship with beforehand. Additionally, Namond and Randy might not be friends any more since Randy has been branded a snitch. Also, Randy has not-unjustified disgust for the police cops after what happened and would probably have objected to living with one.an ex-cop. It probably should have been addressed in dialogue, but I wouldn't call it an IdiotBall moment for any character.



** Indeed, it would have taken Colvin the same few months to go through the paperwork so there was no real reason to call him since it would be the same situation; Carver was better off taking responsibility himself. Also add to that the fact that he has no idea how to bring this up. How do you go to a retiree and ask him to take in a boy he doesn't know permanently when you have no idea what his home life or financial status is? Awkward that.

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** Indeed, it would have taken Colvin the same few months to go through the same paperwork that Carver would have had to go through, so there was no real reason to call him since it would be the same situation; Carver was better off taking responsibility himself. Also add to that the fact that he has no idea how to bring this up. How do you go to a retiree and ask him to take in a boy he doesn't know permanently when you have no idea what his home life or financial status is? Awkward that.



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** A couple things. First, it seems likely that a lot of those kids know someone who got put away and would have no love for informants. Second, even if Marlo told his gang not to do anything (because it might lead back to him), that's not going to stop wannabes from doing something to try to impress him. Third, teenage boys, especially ones with the rage issues shown over and over on the show, don't need a big excuse to bully anyone. Randy's like the gay kid in class, only much worse in their eyes.

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** A couple things. First, it seems likely that a lot of those kids know someone who got put away who's been arrested and would have no love for informants. Second, even if Marlo told his gang not to do anything (because it might lead back to him), that's not going to stop wannabes from doing something to try to impress him. Third, teenage boys, especially ones with the rage issues shown over and over on the show, don't need a big excuse to bully anyone. Randy's like the gay kid in class, only much worse in their eyes.



** It's never really shown what happens to the Hamsterdam dealers. But Poot himself was not arrested for dealing in Hamsterdam, he was implicated in the MCU's wiretaps of the Barksdale Organization and that is why he is on trial with the Barksdale organization members in the ending montage. It could be many of the Hamsterdam dealers did indeed beat their charges this way - certainly, arresting all those mid-level dealers is not shown to have made any dent in the drug trade by season 4. Bear in mind, the operation to take out Hamsterdam is primarily a political one: it's done quickly and instantly after Burrell makes his deal so that the police can round up the witnesses and stick them in the joint for a few days and demolish the vacant properties, and that in turn allows the Mayor's office and Burrell to blame it all on Bunny Colvin.

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** It's never really shown what happens to the Hamsterdam dealers. But Poot himself was not arrested for dealing in Hamsterdam, he was implicated in the MCU's wiretaps of the Barksdale Organization and that is why he is on trial with the Barksdale organization members in the ending montage. It could be many of the Hamsterdam dealers did indeed beat their charges this way - certainly, arresting all those mid-level dealers is not shown to have made any dent in the drug trade by season 4. Bear in mind, the operation to take out Hamsterdam is primarily a political one: it's done quickly and instantly after Burrell makes his deal so that the police can round up the witnesses and stick them in the joint for a few days and demolish the vacant properties, and that in turn allows the Mayor's office and Burrell to blame it all on Bunny Colvin.make Colvin their scapegoat for the debacle.



* Minor one, but is D'Angelo an example of Dawson Casting? Everyone always treats him like he's younger and less experienced than Avon or Stringer. But, if you look at the actor's ages, Larry Gilliard was born in 1971. This makes him only two years younger than Wood Harris (1969) and, ironically enough, a year OLDER than Idris Elba (1972). This is especially jarring because Avon is supposed to be D'Angelo's uncle, but the two actors are close enough in age to be brothers or cousins instead.

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* Minor one, but is D'Angelo an example of Dawson Casting? Everyone always treats him like he's younger and less experienced than Avon or Stringer. But, if you look at the actor's ages, Larry Gilliard Jr. was born in 1971. This makes him only two years younger than Wood Harris (1969) and, ironically enough, a year OLDER than Idris Elba (1972). This is especially jarring because Avon is supposed to be D'Angelo's uncle, but the two actors are close enough in age to be brothers or cousins instead.



** Sergei has just been arrested, so Spiros is responsible for the body management, but he's not as competent because he probably never has to do it himself. He really expected that CementShoes would be enough and apologizes to the Greek for the mishap "Sergei would've done better, I admit." They concur that's just bad luck that the water just coughed Frank back up.

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** Sergei has just been arrested, so Spiros is responsible for the body management, but he's not as competent because it's very rare that he probably never has to do it himself. He really expected that CementShoes would be enough and apologizes to the Greek for the mishap "Sergei would've done better, I admit." They concur that's just bad luck that the water just coughed Frank back up.



* When Burrell had Major Taylor relieved, was that an on the spot demotion? It was almost like Rawls and Burrell had this planned out, especially the way Burrell said, "If you'll permit me." Like they're thinking "Let's slaughter one of these fucks in front of rest to scare the crap out of them to juke the stats even further."

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* When Burrell had Major Taylor relieved, was that an on the spot demotion? demotion or was that already planned? It was almost like Rawls and Burrell had this planned out, especially the way Burrell said, "If you'll permit me." Like they're thinking "Let's slaughter execute one of these fucks in front of the rest to scare the crap shit out of them to juke the stats even further."
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** Actually, Marlo was pretty lucky on one occasion. In the Season 3 finale, Slim Charles and some other mook spotted Marlo, Chris, and Snoop hanging around that rim shop they liked. Avon and his boys were literally walking out the door with the guns (and GRENADES!) to go murder him when the Major Case Squad showed up with the warrant from Stringer's snitching. But in general, Marlo was DangerouslyGenreSavvy and Chris and Snoop really knew the game. Marlo's only realistic enemies were Omar, Prop Joe, the Greeks, and the Police. Omar he baited into a trap, Prop Joe he played like a fiddle, the Greeks he bought off, and the cops were defeated by Levy making a deal (also because they [=FUBARd=] the evidence from the vacants.)

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** Actually, Marlo was pretty lucky on one occasion. In the Season 3 finale, Slim Charles and some other mook spotted Marlo, Chris, and Snoop hanging around that rim shop they liked. Avon and his boys were literally walking out the door with the guns (and GRENADES!) to go murder him when the Major Case Squad showed up with the warrant from Stringer's snitching. But in general, Marlo was DangerouslyGenreSavvy very clever and Chris and Snoop really knew the game. Marlo's only realistic enemies were Omar, Prop Joe, the Greeks, and the Police. Omar he baited into a trap, Prop Joe he played like a fiddle, the Greeks he bought off, and the cops were defeated by Levy making a deal (also because they [=FUBARd=] the evidence from the vacants.)
25th Jul '16 7:36:27 PM dmcreif
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** When he first arrives at the school, the principals agree to hire him immediately and likely skipped the background check. It's also possible that his powerful father-in-law had his record expunged somehow.

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** When he first arrives at the school, the principals agree to hire him immediately and likely skipped the background check. It's also possible that his powerful father-in-law Valchek had his record expunged somehow.





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** While McNulty might have enjoyed destroying some careers, that would have included friends of his like Bunk as well. Plus there's the whole part about being a white cop sent to prison...

!!NY drug dealers moving into Baltimore's market.

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!!The murder attempts made against Marlo Stanfield
* Why were the murder attempts made against Marlo Stanfield shown to be done so amateurishly? There were several competent killers shown throughout the series (Omar,Brother Mouzone,Slim Charles,etc)that might have undertaken the task successfully. Why weren't they at least offered the task?
** Omar, at least, doesn't take on assassination jobs for pay. And it's not like with Brother, where Stringer was able to send Omar after him by telling him that he was responsible for Brandon's torture. Omar had no reason to target Marlo until season 5. And the ties with Brother Mouzone were completely burned over the Omar thing. So that's two out of your three options down.

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* Why were the murder attempts made against Marlo Stanfield shown to be done so amateurishly? There were several competent killers shown throughout the series (Omar,Brother Mouzone,Slim Charles,etc)that (Omar, Brother Mouzone, Slim Charles, etc) that might have undertaken the task successfully. Why weren't they at least offered the task?
** Omar, at least, doesn't take on assassination jobs for pay. And it's not like with Brother, Brother Mouzone, where Stringer was able to send Omar after him by telling him that he was responsible for Brandon's torture. Omar had no reason to target Marlo until season 5. And the ties with Brother Mouzone were completely burned over the Omar thing. So that's two out of your three options down.



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* Season Two. Is it me or does the entire invetigation team grab the Idiot Ball when Frank Sobotka agree to inform on the criminal pals? An outfit that is efficient and ruthless and has just cleaned their operation down to the last scrap of paper, but sure, let's have our key witness and link walk around another day without any surveilance or escort until he can bring his lawyer in tomorrow!
** It's understandable that the police had no idea that Frank would try to double dip or contact the Greek for any reason whatsoever. It's not revealed until later that the FBI unwittingly leaked that Frank turned snitch. The whole point is that no one knew that Frank was walking into his own death.

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* Season Two. Is it me or does the entire invetigation team grab the Idiot Ball when Frank Sobotka agree to inform on the criminal pals? An outfit that is efficient and ruthless and has just cleaned their operation down to the last scrap of paper, but sure, let's have our key witness and link walk around another day without any surveilance or escort until he can bring his lawyer in tomorrow!
** It's understandable that the police had no idea that Frank would try to double dip or contact the The Greek for any reason whatsoever. It's not revealed until later that the FBI unwittingly leaked that Frank turned snitch. The whole point is that no one knew that Frank was walking into his own death.
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* "Does he have hands? Does he have a face? Than it wasn't us!" So says Sergei of the Greeks' modus operandi for disposing of the bodies they create. Yet Frank Sobotka has both when he's found. One would think making sure his body wasn't easily identified if found would be a high priority, given he was killed for offering to snitch to the cops.

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!Criminals' usage of Levy as their defense attorney
*After watching Bird's trial, I wonder, why do any of the guys Levy is defending trust him if he's on Avon and Stringer's payroll? Isn't it likely he'll fry them if the kingpins want someone to take the fall?
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* Daniels can handpick his own team but is only given a limited number of slots. He shows favouritism for his old narcotics team, Prez is already there, and Freamon is obviously a better choice than Sydnor.

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* ** Daniels can handpick his own team but is only given a limited number of slots. He shows favouritism for his old narcotics team, Prez is already there, and Freamon is obviously a better choice than Sydnor.
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* Daniels can handpick his own team but is only given a limited number of slots. He shows favouritism for his old narcotics team, Prez is already there, and Freamon is obviously a better choice than Sydnor.
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** They try to get a wiretap on Templeton's phone, which Judge Phelan doesn't approve, but Lester says they don't need that one. They apparently are monitoring the payphones; before Templeton makes up he's been contacted, Jimmy and Lester were already cooking up one call, and at the paper Jimmy mentions the "serial killer" made another call to Homicide. These two calls give them the wiretap on the payphones. During the meeting, Jimmy and Rhonda (who can really sway the judge) also sell that they are "on the killer's cellphone" because "he's using a burner", Phelan apparently bought that lie. It's implicit in the dialogue (5x06, "The Dickensian Aspect"). As to why they never call the serial killer, [=McNulty=] is the one calling the shots in the case and is trusted completely until he's busted, and he states that the guy takes the battery off between calls.

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** They try to get a wiretap on Templeton's phone, which Judge Phelan doesn't approve, but Lester says they don't need that one. They apparently are monitoring the payphones; before Templeton makes up he's been contacted, Jimmy and Lester were already cooking up one call, and at the paper Jimmy mentions the "serial killer" made another call to Homicide. These two calls give them the wiretap on the payphones. During the meeting, Jimmy and Rhonda (who can really sway the judge) also sell that they are "on the killer's cellphone" because "he's using a burner", Phelan apparently bought that lie. It's implicit in the dialogue (5x06, "The Dickensian Aspect"). As to why they never call the serial killer, [=McNulty=] is the one calling the shots in the ''his'' case and is trusted completely until he's busted, and he states that the guy takes the battery off between calls.calls. Make–believe is the theme of the season.
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** They try to get a wiretap on Templeton's phone, which Judge Phelan doesn't approve, but Lester says they don't need that one. They apparently are monitoring the payphones; before Templeton makes up he's been contacted, Jimmy and Lester were already cooking up one call, and at the paper Jimmy mentions the "serial killer" made another call to Homicide. These two calls give them the wiretap on the payphones. During the meeting, Jimmy and Rhonda (who can really sway the judge) also sell that they are "on the killer's cellphone" because "he's using a burner", Phelan apparently bought that lie. It's implicit in the dialogue (5x06, "The Dickensian Aspect"). As to why they never call the serial killer, [=McNulty=] is the one calling the shots in the case and is trusted completely until he's busted, so he probably invented something about that too.

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** They try to get a wiretap on Templeton's phone, which Judge Phelan doesn't approve, but Lester says they don't need that one. They apparently are monitoring the payphones; before Templeton makes up he's been contacted, Jimmy and Lester were already cooking up one call, and at the paper Jimmy mentions the "serial killer" made another call to Homicide. These two calls give them the wiretap on the payphones. During the meeting, Jimmy and Rhonda (who can really sway the judge) also sell that they are "on the killer's cellphone" because "he's using a burner", Phelan apparently bought that lie. It's implicit in the dialogue (5x06, "The Dickensian Aspect"). As to why they never call the serial killer, [=McNulty=] is the one calling the shots in the case and is trusted completely until he's busted, so and he probably invented something about states that too.the guy takes the battery off between calls.
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