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*** Definitely going to be Egwene, since as of The Gathering Storm, Elaida [[spoiler: has been made into a captive damane for the Seanchan. A fitting end for the power-crazed madwoman]]. Of course, since Rand has also [[spoiler: synched with all of his past lives and presumably gained all the attendant memories and knowledge from the Age of Legends and possibly even before that, it could well be amusing to have "half-trained girls" as AoL channelers call them attempting to berate him as he "stands" before the Amyrlin Seat... a position that he actually held as Lews Therin Telamon, back when it was much, much more impressive]].

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*** Definitely going to be Egwene, since as of The Gathering Storm, Elaida [[spoiler: has been made into a captive damane for the Seanchan. A fitting end for the power-crazed madwoman]]. Of course, since Rand has also [[spoiler: synched with all of his past lives and presumably gained all the attendant memories and knowledge from the Age of Legends and possibly even before that, it could well be amusing to have "half-trained girls" as AoL [=AoL=] channelers call them attempting to berate him as he "stands" before the Amyrlin Seat... a position that he actually held as Lews Therin Telamon, back when it was much, much more impressive]].



** Channeling isn't a product of inbreeding. The implication seems to be that Aes Sedai don't have children...but the Two Rivers are never tested for Aes Sedai, so all the channeling-capable women lead ordinary lives and have ordinary numbers of children. It's not that the Two Rivers is high by AoL standards, it's that everywhere else has been breeding the talent out for millennia much more aggressively.

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** Channeling isn't a product of inbreeding. The implication seems to be that Aes Sedai don't have children...but the Two Rivers are never tested for Aes Sedai, so all the channeling-capable women lead ordinary lives and have ordinary numbers of children. It's not that the Two Rivers is high by AoL [=AoL=] standards, it's that everywhere else has been breeding the talent out for millennia much more aggressively.



* What was the point of making teacups and animal statues out of cuendillar -- which evidently happened in the AoL? You'd think the priceless artifacts that collectors had in the books would be more along the lines of knives, wrenches, shovels, etc, since there is some utility in having an unbreakable tool. I can't fathom why someone would think it's a good idea to make a giraffe statute that can be hurled into the sun and remain undamaged.

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* What was the point of making teacups and animal statues out of cuendillar -- which evidently happened in the AoL? [=AoL=]? You'd think the priceless artifacts that collectors had in the books would be more along the lines of knives, wrenches, shovels, etc, since there is some utility in having an unbreakable tool. I can't fathom why someone would think it's a good idea to make a giraffe statute that can be hurled into the sun and remain undamaged.
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* This might not help or hurt but at one point Thom tells a story and says that it sounds better in High Chant. That might be a different language/dialect.
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*** Harry Dresden points out in his own series that when you spend millennia defending yourself against the forces of nature being hurled at you with magic, you develop a blind spot for something as simple as a punch in the face.
*** In TTRPGs, magic users tend to have high saves against magical attacks and very little protection against martial attacks. Same thing?
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** Basically Jordans problem was that he assumed that if you know, for a fact, that your religion is real (or at least, that there is strong evidence for it being real), then it isn't really a religion. [[CriticalResearchFailure Said no religious person ever]]. In other words, he had no concept of a PhysicalReligion.

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** Basically Jordans problem was that he assumed that if you know, for a fact, that your religion is real (or at least, that there is strong evidence for it being real), then it isn't really a religion. [[CriticalResearchFailure Said no religious person ever]].ever. In other words, he had no concept of a PhysicalReligion.
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*** They also have a pretty intense KnifeNut culture (at least, Ebou Dar does; Altara is a collection of city-states, so the others could be entirely different) and are generally willing to slit each other in the street at any provocation. It doesn't seem much more to say "a woman killing a man is justified unless proven otherwise" when men and women are perfectly willing to kill each other without much real justification anyway. Even the marriage knife custom is more reminiscent of BloodKnight devil-may-care fatalism than sexism.

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*** They also have a pretty intense KnifeNut knife culture (at least, Ebou Dar does; Altara is a collection of city-states, so the others could be entirely different) and are generally willing to slit each other in the street at any provocation. It doesn't seem much more to say "a woman killing a man is justified unless proven otherwise" when men and women are perfectly willing to kill each other without much real justification anyway. Even the marriage knife custom is more reminiscent of BloodKnight devil-may-care fatalism than sexism.
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*** Yes, it tells you that people don't like bullying, manipulative, arrogant people, and that any time we see someone standing up to them, this is cheerworthy and has nothing to do with the gender of the people in question. The only reason this bothers so many people is because we have been trained in modern times to look at anything which makes women look bad as sexist and wrong, without taking into account that the actions of the characters are rotten and should be decried regardless of their gender. If it were men acting like this, would people be up in arms at Jordan? [[DoubleStandard Most likely not]], and if they were, it would prove the problem was the characters' actions, not their gender. No one gets mad at him for making Semirhage so horrifying and hate-worthy when she is the only black Forsaken, they can tell that the traits he gave her as a villain have nothing to do with her race and are not reasons to attack Jordan for making a black person a villain, so why can't they give him the same benefit of the doubt when it comes to female characters? PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.

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*** Yes, it tells you that people don't like bullying, manipulative, arrogant people, and that any time we see someone standing up to them, this is cheerworthy and has nothing to do with the gender of the people in question. The only reason this bothers so many people is because we have been trained in modern times to look at anything which makes women look bad as sexist and wrong, without taking into account that the actions of the characters are rotten and should be decried regardless of their gender. If it were men acting like this, would people be up in arms at Jordan? [[DoubleStandard Most likely not]], and if they were, it would prove the problem was the characters' actions, not their gender. No one gets mad at him for making Semirhage so horrifying and hate-worthy when she is the only black Forsaken, they can tell that the traits he gave her as a villain have nothing to do with her race and are not reasons to attack Jordan for making a black person a villain, so why can't they give him the same benefit of the doubt when it comes to female characters? PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.[[PoliticalCorrectnessIsEvil Political correctness gone mad.]]
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** If it follows the same story as the novels then presumably it's canon. Of course this would hardly be [[ContemptibleCover the first time that the art has nothing in common with the story]].

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** If it follows the same story as the novels then presumably it's canon. Of course this would hardly be [[ContemptibleCover the first time that the art has nothing in common with the story]].story.
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[[folder: Enormous Aiel]]
It's been a while since I read the books, but as I recall, Aiel as a people are huge in size, with men ranging from six to seven feet tall on average. They're huge because life is hard in the Aiel Waste. But whatever Darwinian pressure there is on their people to be physically strong, wouldn't it be counterbalanced by Darwinian pressure from their limited resources? With the Aiel Waste so barren of water and nourishment, wouldn't their calorie and water-hogging sizes leave them in constant danger of dehydration and malnutrition? Wouldn't their bodies have difficulty building muscle? Real weightlifters chug water by the gallon to maintain their muscle mass. It seems strange that the inhabitants of a barren wasteland are adapting by getting bigger rather than smaller, leaner, and more efficient.
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*** I also disagree. Cadsuane can indeed be very grating and annoying; however, Rand's arrogance and constant belief that he needs to be hard in order to be strong are just as annoying, and I fully believe he did need to be smacked upside the head at a number of points in the series. Granted, he had a right to be angry and suspicious after what the Tower Aes Sedai nearly did to him, but that doesn't justify him being so clueless and irrational as to continually try and insulate himself from his emotions and other people. What's the point of saving the world if [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope in the process]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters you become just as bad]] [[WhatTheHellHero as the evil threatening it]]? That was summed up best, I think, in Tam's question to him in book 12: "Why do you fight?" The fact Rand's answer, finally, was that [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming he was fighting for love and hope]], proves that he ''did'' need to learn this lesson and Cadsuane was absolutely right to bust his balls until he learned it. Does that mean I approve of her methods all the time? No. Or that it wasn't still satisfying to see him tell her off? Hell yes it was. But that doesn't change the fact she was right (though not about the rudeness) and he was wrong.

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*** I also disagree. Cadsuane can indeed be very grating and annoying; however, Rand's arrogance and constant belief that he needs to be hard in order to be strong are just as annoying, and I fully believe he did need to be smacked upside the head at a number of points in the series. Granted, he had a right to be angry and suspicious after what the Tower Aes Sedai nearly did to him, but that doesn't justify him being so clueless and irrational as to continually try and insulate himself from his emotions and other people. What's the point of saving the world if [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope in the process]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters you become just as bad]] [[WhatTheHellHero as the evil threatening it]]? That was summed up best, I think, in Tam's question to him in book 12: "Why do you fight?" The fact Rand's answer, finally, was that [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments he was fighting for love and hope]], proves that he ''did'' need to learn this lesson and Cadsuane was absolutely right to bust his balls until he learned it. Does that mean I approve of her methods all the time? No. Or that it wasn't still satisfying to see him tell her off? Hell yes it was. But that doesn't change the fact she was right (though not about the rudeness) and he was wrong.
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** Let's not forget that in this world, the worst thing you can be accused of being is a Darkfriend, and here we have a military power whose MO is essentially denounce anyone who stands against them as Darkfriends by sheer virtue of standing against those who walk in the Light. Considering that most of the world assumes the Aes Sedai are all Darkfriends due to their assumption that the One Power is of the Shadow, it's very easy for Whitecloaks to lump anyone who's not afraid of or respects Aes Sedai of being Darkfriends just due to not being willing to denounce the Aes Sedai. It's very similar to how the Knights Templar could travel to any European nation and start throwing their weight around because no one wants to be accused of being in league with Satan. They have "authority" to go anywhere and arrest/execute anyone because they assume they do as the Creator's hand on Earht, and they're powerful enough to back it up.
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** For one, there's the sense of belonging somewhere. For another, there's the thrill of doing something forbidden. For another, they actually ''are'' promised something in return; usually immortality or their hearts' desires. Some of them have interpreted prophecies to determine that there is no way for the Dark One to lose the final battle, and they want to be on the winning side.
** The Darkfriends Rand and Mat encounter are not at all surprised to see them. One has been following them since Whitebridge, while another was told of what happened in Four Kings and instructed to approach them in Market Sheran while a third was lying in wait for them, knowing that Gode and Paitr would fail.
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* Rand summarizes both early on in the next book. "One called him the dearest light of her heart before going on to [[LuminescentBlush make his ears burn]], while the other named him a coldhearted wretch she never wanted to see again and then proceeded to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech rip him up one side and down the other]], better than Aviendha ever had." Elayne wrote the second when she was angry about him not asking her to stay with him, hoping it would make him work to get back in her good graces. She regrets it later on, commenting "Rand must think I'm crazy."

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