History Headscratchers / TheVampireDiaries

9th Mar '17 11:00:35 AM CapriciousSalmon
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** WordOfGod says its been dropped.

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** WordOfGod says its been dropped. Vampires were meant to have the abilities, but the writers thought it was too supernatural and got dropped.



*** Actually, Damon is meant to be 25.



** In Twilight at least, it's stated that while vampires are powerful, they aren't indestructible, and it's implied that things like explosions or nukes are able to kill them. Fire is also an issue in both Vampire Diaries and Twilight, at least.



** Probably for the same reason that they eat food, despite not needing to: they don't have to, but they do it because it's what they're used to.



** It's ink, so it's possible that in the context of the show, vampires can get tattoos.




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** She likely didn't expect it and couldn't do anything from the shock, or she wasn't as skilled with her powers as somebody like Bonnie.



****It's shown in the flashback when the Gilberts crash their car that her father couldn't escape, since he couldn't open the door. Elena likely figured that the same thing occurred.



** If by boy toys we mean Stephan and Damon she clearly loves them a lot. Just not as much as she loves herself in most cases. This is shown and stated in episode 3x9 Homecoming. Damon and the others had a near guaranteed kill on Klaus who's had her on the run for centuries. In order to save Damon's life and restore Stephan's humanity she saves Klaus. As much as she hates Klaus she clearly fears him more, to give up a good chance of killing him, being free forever and instead choosing to spare him is an act of love that borders on TooDumbToLive.

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** If by boy toys we mean Stephan Stefan and Damon she clearly loves them a lot. Just not as much as she loves herself in most cases. This is shown and stated in episode 3x9 Homecoming. Damon and the others had a near guaranteed kill on Klaus who's had her on the run for centuries. In order to save Damon's life and restore Stephan's humanity she saves Klaus. As much as she hates Klaus she clearly fears him more, to give up a good chance of killing him, being free forever and instead choosing to spare him is an act of love that borders on TooDumbToLive.




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** It's likely that Meredith may have just been exaggerating.
5th Mar '17 9:02:27 AM SeanRenaud
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* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?

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* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening.having. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?



** We've never seen any vampire run at top speed for any long stretch of time. It's possible they can only "blur" in short sprints.

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** We've never seen any vampire run at top speed for any long stretch of time. It's possible they can only "blur" in short sprints.sprints.
*What were Cade and the Sirens working on for the last two thousand years? He was clearly in touch, they were only captured in the last two hundred years and you'd think he notice that he was suddenly not getting all the best souls. We don't know when and how many witch's have set up their own private worlds since New Orleans Witches are clearly separate from whatever was going on in Mystic Falls and seeing how Bonnie created a private universe it's clearly not ''that'' difficult. But two thousand year ago one day no more supernatural beings are sent to hell and Cade doesn't immediately start moving to fix that? He's so damn cool but he's so dumb.
25th Feb '17 8:30:29 AM Tennyo
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* So why do vampires, like Stephen and Damon bother with cars all the time, when trying to travel long distances outside of Mystic Falls. It makes sense if they're trying to transport their human companions around, sure, but if it's just them? It seems like they'd get around MUCH faster just by running. Doesn't even seem like there'd be much threat of detection either, since a top speed vampire would just be a momentary blur of movement to any humans.

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* So why do vampires, like Stephen and Damon bother with cars all the time, when trying to travel long distances outside of Mystic Falls. It makes sense if they're trying to transport their human companions around, sure, but if it's just them? It seems like they'd get around MUCH faster just by running. Doesn't even seem like there'd be much threat of detection either, since a top speed vampire would just be a momentary blur of movement to any humans.humans.
** We've never seen any vampire run at top speed for any long stretch of time. It's possible they can only "blur" in short sprints.
25th Feb '17 2:21:04 AM ColArana
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* Damon has a run in with Peter Maxwell ( Matt Donovan's birth father) and compels him to to aid in a search for MacGuffin and predictably he calms down and begins to obey, he doesn't try to escape while Damon busies himself with a game of pinball. There are two major problems with this scenario. Peter is wearing a vervane wristwatch so he was immune to the compulsion and since he didn't know anything about the vampires and the supernatural world why did he even play along, going so far as to call his son? Since he doesn't believe in vampires playing along to buy time makes no sense (and really making a human who doesn't know about compulsion immune is probably dangerous, the vampire will either take it away and go back to plan A or just became more likely to murder you. Great plan Matt) and I certainly wouldn't call my son into a situation that could very well get him killed as well.

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* Damon has a run in with Peter Maxwell ( Matt Donovan's birth father) and compels him to to aid in a search for MacGuffin and predictably he calms down and begins to obey, he doesn't try to escape while Damon busies himself with a game of pinball. There are two major problems with this scenario. Peter is wearing a vervane wristwatch so he was immune to the compulsion and since he didn't know anything about the vampires and the supernatural world why did he even play along, going so far as to call his son? Since he doesn't believe in vampires playing along to buy time makes no sense (and really making a human who doesn't know about compulsion immune is probably dangerous, the vampire will either take it away and go back to plan A or just became more likely to murder you. Great plan Matt) and I certainly wouldn't call my son into a situation that could very well get him killed as well.well.
*So why do vampires, like Stephen and Damon bother with cars all the time, when trying to travel long distances outside of Mystic Falls. It makes sense if they're trying to transport their human companions around, sure, but if it's just them? It seems like they'd get around MUCH faster just by running. Doesn't even seem like there'd be much threat of detection either, since a top speed vampire would just be a momentary blur of movement to any humans.
11th Nov '16 11:55:32 PM SeanRenaud
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* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?

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* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?world?
** S8 of Vampire Diaries produces another all hands on deck scenario but the Originals themselves are all out of commission (possibly canceled). The reveal that Hell is real is something the New Orleans community should really be roped in on via polite phone call. "Hey, the reason none of us go to Hell is because New Orleans Witches have a private Afterlife and all Supernatural Beings did until a few years back. Think maybe you can make a deal where the Witches make a new anchor while we deal with this? Kthnx bai.
* Damon has a run in with Peter Maxwell ( Matt Donovan's birth father) and compels him to to aid in a search for MacGuffin and predictably he calms down and begins to obey, he doesn't try to escape while Damon busies himself with a game of pinball. There are two major problems with this scenario. Peter is wearing a vervane wristwatch so he was immune to the compulsion and since he didn't know anything about the vampires and the supernatural world why did he even play along, going so far as to call his son? Since he doesn't believe in vampires playing along to buy time makes no sense (and really making a human who doesn't know about compulsion immune is probably dangerous, the vampire will either take it away and go back to plan A or just became more likely to murder you. Great plan Matt) and I certainly wouldn't call my son into a situation that could very well get him killed as well.
19th May '16 4:51:43 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Has it ever been explained how these highschoolers (the humans ones) are able to hang out at a bar and drink at all these parties and balls? Not expecting [[SavedByTheBell The Max]] or [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers Angel Grove Juice Bar]] but I've always been curious about this.

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* Has it ever been explained how these highschoolers (the humans ones) are able to hang out at a bar and drink at all these parties and balls? Not expecting [[SavedByTheBell [[Series/SavedByTheBell The Max]] or [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers Angel Grove Juice Bar]] but I've always been curious about this.
24th Apr '16 10:56:09 AM Cameron178
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** Keep in mind that of all the things that Damon should be held responsible for, wanting to find his mother and get an explanation from her (as well as her help with Stefan, who had his humanity turned off at the time) is at the bottom of his list of crimes. Heck, it is something they all would understand, given their backgrounds. As for Kai being trapped, it was a plan Damon and Bonnie came up with to help Bonnie get closure over Kai's torture of her in the 1994 afterworld. NOBODY, especially those two, could have predicted that Kai would make deals with the Heretics and Lily to break out and attack a wedding. It's no more Damon's fault for wanting his mom than it is Bonnie's fault for wanting revenge. And, how about we blame Kai and Lily for what they did? They are the bad guys in this; sometimes, the villains are the only ones to blame for what they do.
14th Jan '16 2:15:42 PM SeanRenaud
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** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.

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** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.story.
* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?
14th Jan '16 2:09:14 PM SeanRenaud
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** She's on fire. You have to be taught to stop, drop and roll. It's not a natural instinct. As detrimental as it is in this case the natural response to something on you that you don't want on you is to flail madly. Speaking as someone who has set their pants on fire burning off frayed strands your brain can shut off at least temporarily once you are on fire.



* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.

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** Damon isn't a legit love interest until after Elena turns 18 which solves the first part of the problem here. Vampires in fiction seem to both emotionally stop aging at the point they were vamped (or regress which makes sense. That sense of immortality kids have is literally true for them) and are generally treated as such. With Damon by the time he's a love interest the people who are in the know enough to care have real reasons to object and Elena doesn't care.
* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.first.
** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.
7th Jan '16 8:13:54 AM BlackMedusa
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* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice?

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* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice?advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.
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