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24th Apr '16 10:56:09 AM Cameron178
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** Keep in mind that of all the things that Damon should be held responsible for, wanting to find his mother and get an explanation from her (as well as her help with Stefan, who had his humanity turned off at the time) is at the bottom of his list of crimes. Heck, it is something they all would understand, given their backgrounds. As for Kai being trapped, it was a plan Damon and Bonnie came up with to help Bonnie get closure over Kai's torture of her in the 1994 afterworld. NOBODY, especially those two, could have predicted that Kai would make deals with the Heretics and Lily to break out and attack a wedding. It's no more Damon's fault for wanting his mom than it is Bonnie's fault for wanting revenge. And, how about we blame Kai and Lily for what they did? They are the bad guys in this; sometimes, the villains are the only ones to blame for what they do.
14th Jan '16 2:15:42 PM SeanRenaud
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** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.

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** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.story.
* This has been brought up in the opposite direction over on The Originals but at this point it needs to be mentioned here. Seasons 1 & 2 of the Originals were essentially personal problems Klaus was happening. The fact that the Mystic Falls crew didn't get involved probably amounts to them not even knowing what was happening to the Originals. Now there is a full on sire line war going that involves the Originals vs the Second Generation and while most theories used to claim that Klaus probably has the most progeny knowing what we know NOW about the 2nd generation it seems probable that at the very least Rebecca and Elijah probably have a thousand years worth of pyramid style vamp progeny running about. Which means we have no way of knowing at this point who's line Lily is a part of. Even assuming that the heretics and the Salvatores are all of Klaus's line (which we are currently just accepting that Klaus wasn't bluffing. He never produced any evidence, Kole killed the only person who might have been able to provide answers and Klaus had every reason to lie) they are essentially having a pissing contest over real estate. Shouldn't everybody save Bonnie be packing up and moving to New Orleans to check in for what is, for them, quite literally a battle for the end of the world?
14th Jan '16 2:09:14 PM SeanRenaud
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** She's on fire. You have to be taught to stop, drop and roll. It's not a natural instinct. As detrimental as it is in this case the natural response to something on you that you don't want on you is to flail madly. Speaking as someone who has set their pants on fire burning off frayed strands your brain can shut off at least temporarily once you are on fire.



* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.

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** Damon isn't a legit love interest until after Elena turns 18 which solves the first part of the problem here. Vampires in fiction seem to both emotionally stop aging at the point they were vamped (or regress which makes sense. That sense of immortality kids have is literally true for them) and are generally treated as such. With Damon by the time he's a love interest the people who are in the know enough to care have real reasons to object and Elena doesn't care.
* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.first.
** The simple answer is that nobody truly believes that chain of events is none of the cast believe that particular chain of events is at all Damon's fault. No matter how many key points he was involved with they either don't disagree blame him for the calls he made or don't know the full story.
7th Jan '16 8:13:54 AM BlackMedusa
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* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice?

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* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice?advice? Even the excuse of helping the other characters turn their humanity back on is a bit flimsy, since there are other ways to restrain them and by this point, pretty much everyone has been humanity-free for a while. There had to be something else they could try first.
7th Jan '16 8:03:15 AM BlackMedusa
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* Doesn't the Damon/Elena age difference bother anyone in town? With Stefan, he's posing as a normal high school student but Damon's apparent age is somewhere around his mid-twenties. Elena is 17/18 for the first 3 or 4 seasons of the show. In reality, there should have been quite a few raised brows. When you factor in his vampire age, it would make sense for at least one person to object.

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* Doesn't the Damon/Elena age difference bother anyone in town? With Stefan, he's posing as a normal high school student but Damon's apparent age is somewhere around his mid-twenties. Elena is 17/18 for the first 3 or 4 seasons of the show. In reality, there should have been quite a few raised brows. When you factor in his vampire age, it would make sense for at least one person to object.object.
* Damon is the one who brought the Heretics into town. If he'd respected Bonnie's wishes and not made her work with Kai or even just listened to Kai in S6E16 when he said NOT TO BRING ANYONE BACK FROM 1903 BECAUSE ANYONE THERE WAS DANGEROUS AND CRAZYPANTS, he could have saved the entire town of Mystic Falls a lot of grief. Not to mention, he is directly responsible for [[spoiler:Elena's magic coma]] even though he had the nerve to resent Bonnie for being used. [[spoiler: If he hadn't been adamant about finding Lily (who didn't even care about him anyway), then Kai couldn't have been trapped in 1903 with the Heretics by someone who specifically requested that he be kept away from her, & brought them back to the present day, causing a Lily who was angry at Damon for keeping her from her "family" to give Kai the idea & magic & vampirism to kill Jo & the coven and put a spell on Elena.]] Why doesn't anyone remind Damon that every bad thing in late S6 and S7 is something he put into motion against other people's wishes and advice?
1st Jan '16 10:40:10 AM BlackMedusa
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* When Kai sets Elena on fire, why doesn't she stop, drop & roll? She tries to pat the fire out, then she waves her arm a bit, but she doesn't attempt to remove her jacket or smother the flames...

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* When Kai sets Elena on fire, why doesn't she stop, drop & roll? She tries to pat the fire out, then she waves her arm a bit, but she doesn't attempt to remove her jacket or smother the flames...flames...
* Doesn't the Damon/Elena age difference bother anyone in town? With Stefan, he's posing as a normal high school student but Damon's apparent age is somewhere around his mid-twenties. Elena is 17/18 for the first 3 or 4 seasons of the show. In reality, there should have been quite a few raised brows. When you factor in his vampire age, it would make sense for at least one person to object.
1st Jan '16 9:06:20 AM BlackMedusa
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** Katherine only started aging after Silas took the cure from her blood. Presumably there's something in the cure that, if it remains in the receiver's body, keeps the aging from setting in all at once. Damon taking it from Elena would be no problem because she'd go up a couple of years. As to keeping the cure in Damon, he's going to need a hell of a protection detail for the rest of his human life. I'm more surprised about the suggestion that he's going to cut off contact with Stefan for the rest of his life. He's going to need Stefan on-call in case anyone finds out about Damon having the cure in his veins.

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** Katherine only started aging after Silas took the cure from her blood. Presumably there's something in the cure that, if it remains in the receiver's body, keeps the aging from setting in all at once. Damon taking it from Elena would be no problem because she'd go up a couple of years. As to keeping the cure in Damon, he's going to need a hell of a protection detail for the rest of his human life. I'm more surprised about the suggestion that he's going to cut off contact with Stefan for the rest of his life. He's going to need Stefan on-call in case anyone finds out about Damon having the cure in his veins.veins.
* When Kai sets Elena on fire, why doesn't she stop, drop & roll? She tries to pat the fire out, then she waves her arm a bit, but she doesn't attempt to remove her jacket or smother the flames...
10th Nov '15 4:24:39 AM Borjigin
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** In the case of, at the least, the evil tribe of werewolves who had been pretending to be human by not activating their curse, it appears that some tribes have an inner-culture and truly think of themselves as distinct and superior to humans. Those tribes don't avoid activating their curse, and likely just consider it a rite of passage into adulthood. Individual werewolves and families clearly think the way you described, but their very rarity basically makes them irrelevant to werewolf politics. The werewolves monstrous enough to organize and deliberately activate their curse are the only werewolves that really matter.

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** In the case of, at the least, the evil Guerrera tribe of werewolves who had been pretending to be human by not activating their curse, it appears that some tribes have an inner-culture and truly think of themselves as distinct and superior to humans. Those tribes don't avoid activating their curse, and likely just consider it a rite of passage into adulthood. Individual werewolves and families clearly think the way you described, but their very rarity basically makes them irrelevant to werewolf politics. The werewolves monstrous enough to organize and deliberately activate their curse are the only werewolves that really matter.
10th Nov '15 4:13:58 AM Borjigin
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** In the case of, at the least, the evil tribe of werewolves who had been pretending to be human by not activating their curse, it appears that some tribes have an inner-culture and truly think of themselves as distinct and superior to humans. Those tribes don't avoid activating their curse, and likely just consider it a rite of passage into adulthood. Individual werewolves and families clearly think the way you described, but their very rarity basically makes them irrelevant to werewolf politics. The werewolves monstrous enough to organize and deliberately activate their curse are the only werewolves that really matter.
17th Sep '15 7:13:26 AM Tennyo
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* So Damon decides he's going to become human with Elena, that's nice and all but there's one huge problem with that plan. When the cure is used it not only makes the person mortal but all the aging they missed happens at an accelerated rate(or at least that's how it works for vampires). Now that's a non issue for Elena since she was only a vampire for a handful of years but Damon is over a 170 years old which means he'd likely age and die like Katherine did(okay not exactly like that but you know what I mean) if he had taken the cure yet nobody ever mentions this. Not even Stefan when he was trying to convince Damon against taking the cure. That's a pretty major thing to forget!

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* So Damon decides he's going to become human with Elena, that's nice and all but there's one huge problem with that plan. When the cure is used it not only makes the person mortal but all the aging they missed happens at an accelerated rate(or at least that's how it works for vampires). Now that's a non issue for Elena since she was only a vampire for a handful of years but Damon is over a 170 years old which means he'd likely age and die like Katherine did(okay not exactly like that but you know what I mean) if he had taken the cure yet nobody ever mentions this. Not even Stefan when he was trying to convince Damon against taking the cure. That's a pretty major thing to forget!forget!
** Katherine only started aging after Silas took the cure from her blood. Presumably there's something in the cure that, if it remains in the receiver's body, keeps the aging from setting in all at once. Damon taking it from Elena would be no problem because she'd go up a couple of years. As to keeping the cure in Damon, he's going to need a hell of a protection detail for the rest of his human life. I'm more surprised about the suggestion that he's going to cut off contact with Stefan for the rest of his life. He's going to need Stefan on-call in case anyone finds out about Damon having the cure in his veins.
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